Ascension and Wanderers

[bjorn_nitmou]

Im sure many of you are familiar with the work of Scott Mendelker and
wanderers, so I had a question.

It seems as though he describes a wanderer as someone who has a true
home that is other than Earth, and that the ascension / harvest, will
mark the end to their help on Earth, which will allow them to go home.

Whereas, when I read Davids work or RA, I seem to understand that for
everyone else, ascension will lead to a life on 4d Earth.

So, if you think you are a wanderer, then it seems as though it is
very unlikely that 4d Earth will be part of your future, because you
will be going home to your true planet.

Could a wanderer still go to 4d Earth? It seems so, but you would
still be a wanderer, plus, what would be your purpose? Would you
have a new "mission," and is this likely for many wanderers? This
would contradict what I have read in Scott's books.

The reason I ask these questions is because I wonder if I am a
wanderer as I feel I fit much of his description of such, but at the
same time, even though I dont feel entirely comfortable on Earth, I
am in no mood to leave any time soon either, as I believe most of us
want to experience 4d Earth.......... any thoughts?

Please let me know if I have interpreted this situation incorrectly,
and please throw in your 2 cents if you think this is an interesting
subject, thanks

[chamil1950]

Bjorn,
I think you already know the answer, but I'll give you my two cents.
The simple fact is that if STS's of 95% or better can merge into 4D,
then I would think an STO Wanderer would love to come along just
simply for the challenge of it :) I notice in the archives that you
had quite a discussion about this 4D stuff when you first joined :)
Take care Chris

--- In asc2k@y..., "bjorn_nitmou" <bjorn_nitmou@y...> wrote:
> Im sure many of you are familiar with the work of Scott Mendelker
and
> wanderers, so I had a question.
>
> It seems as though he describes a wanderer as someone who has a
true
> home that is other than Earth, and that the ascension / harvest,
will
> mark the end to their help on Earth, which will allow them to go
home.
>
> Whereas, when I read Davids work or RA, I seem to understand that
for
> everyone else, ascension will lead to a life on 4d Earth.
>
> So, if you think you are a wanderer, then it seems as though it is
> very unlikely that 4d Earth will be part of your future, because
you
> will be going home to your true planet.
>
> Could a wanderer still go to 4d Earth? It seems so, but you would
> still be a wanderer, plus, what would be your purpose? Would you
> have a new "mission," and is this likely for many wanderers? This
> would contradict what I have read in Scott's books.
>
> The reason I ask these questions is because I wonder if I am a
> wanderer as I feel I fit much of his description of such, but at
the
> same time, even though I dont feel entirely comfortable on Earth, I
> am in no mood to leave any time soon either, as I believe most of
us
> want to experience 4d Earth.......... any thoughts?
>
> Please let me know if I have interpreted this situation
incorrectly,
> and please throw in your 2 cents if you think this is an
interesting
> subject, thanks

[sirbiotech]

pure speculation on my part. I have had same feelings. First. Time
works differently in the next density. So I'm not sure we can even
think about things as we do on this plane. That goes for the actual
construction of physical reality. I still wonder why Ra says we need
to eat and have lives of 90,000 years. I for a long time thought of
the fourth dimension as the astral plane. But it appears all those
descriptions I have read of NDES and OBES are actually taking place
in fourth dimensional TIME/SPACE. As far as SPACE/TIME goes, re-
reading Ras passage is appears words will NOT ever suffice for the
actual experience..for even Ra can only give us a description of what
the positive fourth density is NOT. I think what it is will be a
highly ecstatic realization for everyone who comes from this density
and moves the the next without having available any memories of our
previous incarnations on this and the higher planes, nevermind the
forgetting we all share on some level of our direct and constant
connection with/and identity with Source.

Hmmm. Ra states somewhere in the Law of One books that at the moment
of Ascension for each individual mind/body/spirit complex, the
movement along the spiraling line of light and where each entitiy
stops along that path will determine whats their natural state of
consciousness (before the Forgetting) and ultimately which "reality"
they end up in. Could perhaps be many go to 4D+ Earth, but some are
actually fifth dimensional souls who remember this and desire to
return to the 5D+ for their continuing education. I think in truth
all bets are off.

At the point where one Ascends or is present on this planet when the
Earth ascends, there will be millions of unique experiences depending
on the mind/body/spirit complex experiencing it. One man may have
instant experience of Enlightenment and move quickly into the 4D+
earth. Another may turn away from the light, due to some unresolved
fear or choice, and end up moving into incubation period before the
next incarnation on 3D planet for continued learning at that level. A
10 year old girl demonstrating a highly developed 4Density body may
actually remember her life in the 5D on Arcturas and desire to return
to her home, thus appearing in 5thdenstiy planet after Ascension. The
other members of her society are at the same level of consciousness,
thus she is in harmony with that planet on levels many of us haven't
even grown to yet. Isnt it natural she returns home? Although i
imagine some souls who are wanderers must have developed a bond with
this planet and her spirit that was not expected before one
volunteered for incarnation on this mission on Earth. As a result of
this new love for the "wanderers" temportary home home, that
individiual may desire to experience the 4th density+ Earth as part
of the continuing relationship with this planet in experiencing its
awakening process.

Like I said, just speculation. In truth we all determine our
experience to a great degree if we demonstrate mastery on all levels,
(meditation being the foundation, diet, exercise, service to others
secondary) then in that case, it would appear if your desire is to be
on the fourth density earth, and you have sufficiently balanced your
mind/body/spirit complex, I see no reason your desire would not
manifest.

The thing that really hit me lately was this...that the energies now
increasing aren't neutral, but of a Positive polarity, as David
mentions in his last article. This is highly significant and has led
to a much deeper Trust in this process than I felt before. The fact
that the energy Ra says we are ALREADY immersed in is fourth
dimensional positive...thats astounding. I think we all need to open
our energetic pathways through meditation to allow the new energies
heal our consciousness in preparation for the actual transition. I
dont know where ill end up, even tho i sometimes feel im still not
done with this dimension...got me. Just enjoying the game :)

jason



--- In asc2k@y..., "bjorn_nitmou" <bjorn_nitmou@y...> wrote:
> Im sure many of you are familiar with the work of Scott Mendelker
and
> wanderers, so I had a question.
>
> It seems as though he describes a wanderer as someone who has a
true
> home that is other than Earth, and that the ascension / harvest,
will
> mark the end to their help on Earth, which will allow them to go
home.
>
> Whereas, when I read Davids work or RA, I seem to understand that
for
> everyone else, ascension will lead to a life on 4d Earth.
>
> So, if you think you are a wanderer, then it seems as though it is
> very unlikely that 4d Earth will be part of your future, because
you
> will be going home to your true planet.
>
> Could a wanderer still go to 4d Earth? It seems so, but you would
> still be a wanderer, plus, what would be your purpose? Would you
> have a new "mission," and is this likely for many wanderers? This
> would contradict what I have read in Scott's books.
>
> The reason I ask these questions is because I wonder if I am a
> wanderer as I feel I fit much of his description of such, but at
the
> same time, even though I dont feel entirely comfortable on Earth, I
> am in no mood to leave any time soon either, as I believe most of
us
> want to experience 4d Earth.......... any thoughts?
>
> Please let me know if I have interpreted this situation
incorrectly,
> and please throw in your 2 cents if you think this is an
interesting
> subject, thanks

[sirbiotech]

to clarify. David has said, as does Ra, that service to others in
it's purest form is the radiation of energy to those around you. That
is why it ultimately, to the 3D perspective appears as if the entity
is doing "nothing" or not really helping, while in truth one is
Radiating that experience of Oneness on an energetic level, which is
actually what those on the higher densitities do as well. Of course
helping ones neighbor or friend in time of need is part of our
experience, but the ability for each of us to harnass INTERNALLY
these new energies for the use of self-realization, is exactly what
the purpose of the pyramid was for as we have learned, so we are
actually in solar system wide inititation chamber. David says in SOTA
that he wonders how meditation would be in the UN Meditation room
with that big magnet underneath you. I imagine that the energy
changes now are creating that same effect, but of course, not
stopping at the magents level, but going way beyond that. Since time
is speeding up as well, as many channels have said, but has only
begun to sink in now..its time we get our houses in order. We surely
cant stop the clock and personally Im obviously looking forward the
the increasing energies, as I see it as an opportunity to go deeper
in meditation, clearing through all that unconsciousness. We used to
use crystals, gurus, incense, pyramids, etc to create this
opportunity, it appears now we don't need any external objext or
device except clarity on how to be in medtiation, and how one's
energies funtion and flow.

While in a physical body, the only way to radiate the energies is to
express compassion and love in every moment, but additionally, there
is a science to the human energetic system, understanding the
relationship between chakras and the glands of the body,
understanding the relationship between sexual energy and the fuel
needed to cleanse and "spin up" one's chakras so that you can open
the already existing pathways to the higher levels of consciousness,
ultimately culminating with the crown chakra, at which point the
circuit of energy is complete, and one's mind/body/spirit complex has
internally found its Source, and the physical body reflects these
changes. Knowing this science of subtle energies is important to
knowing how you can tap into the positive 4D energy now, in my
opinion, which is why I referenced the Osho book In Search of the
Miraculous. He lays it out in a clear way, much more practically than
Ra has, with intimate knowledge of the relationship between all our
multidimensional bodies.

When u factor in the times we live in, the vast amounts of higher
dimensional positive energy...its clear that the amount of available
fuel and "help" in the processs of clearing ones energetic blocks is
greater than ever. Hopefully not happening too fast..that to can be
hazardous. I wonder if on a Planetary level the Earths own Kundalini
energy is uncoiling and clearing the energetic blockages as a result
of the increasing energies? At what point would I guess, in the
evolution of this planet, from 1st density to 8th. would the Global
Kundalini awaken..yup...right about now, suring this transition. So
it's clear that the earth changes (in consciousness) are
simultaneously reflected in our own, even down to the actual process
of healing and clearing (ie chakras, kundalini, meditation).


Then I saw this quote today:

"In the book order out of chaos, Nobel laureate Ilya Prigogine,
offers that, when a structured system is ENERGIZED, its chaos
increases, allowing it to reconfigure spontaneously into a higher
order of organization. As we let go of structure, we have an increase
of chaotic, or undefined energy, which then can reform into a higher
order of organization which handles all previous requirements in a
new, unexpected way and has left-over capacity for new endeavors."



...more monkey mind, but for me sharing ideas is a way of refining my
understandings as well (to transcend the words/concepts at some point
of course). My own conlusions from all I have read has lead me to
some extremely positive possibilities. David said that individuals
could generate the energy of what will occur in 2010-2012 in their
own individual energy fields tho it would be extremely rare. I wonder
how rare does he think it is? We shall see. Like David pointed
out...I like everyone else still have to make the most of this 3-D-
ISH experience --not sure i can still say its purely 3-D :)

jason