Building the Mentanet - Our Own Collective Super Mind

[donnellholness]

Greetings Wanderers and aspiring 4th D seekers

Here are some intriguing questions.

How did the Ra entity achieve its current status of a collective
consciousness? What processes were involved in melding separate
units of intelligence, knowledge, will and all else that comprises
individual beings, into a single "data base" or Mentanet (if you will)
of higher consciousness. Was this great binding of many minds only a
natural consequence of their harvest from 3D to 4D? Or was there also
a conscious agreement to evolve into the Ra collective. Will this
binding of minds also, naturally evolve in our species as we move up
the ladder to the next level? Or do we also have to make a conscious
effort to mind meld.

Could we achieve a somewhat similar network of consciousness here and
now (before December 2012) if we consciously tried? What would such an
experience be like?

Here are my thoughts on the matter

Love Light and Expansion to all,
Donnell

THE SUM OF THE WHOLE IS MUCH MORE THAN THE SUM OF THE PARTS.

Collective consciousness experiments have been carried out before with
rather interesting results. Uri Geller in some of his latest TV
appearances says he has come to realize that it is really the
collective energy of the viewers that is the real secret behind the
bending of spoons and fixing of clocks etc. Some of us have also
participated in such activities on the Coast To Coast AM Show, and
others have been involved in more Eastern-style group meditations. But
there are also the experiences of being uplifted by a sizzling hot
gospel choir, and those of you who are sports fans can speak of those
magical moments when there is an almost tactile outpouring of joyous
collective energy at the point of touch down or goal scoring. In such
moments the feeling of connectivity goes beyond unity of units. We are
not just connected with 20, 100 or 100,000 unit energies. We feel
connected to something, really, really, really REALLY VAST. The sum of
the whole is more than the sum of the parts. Why is that?

But how do we consciously build such a Collective Mentanet. And what
would be the benefits of such a thing. Precognition, telepathy,
transformation of matter? Could we tap into higher knowledges of
science or things spirtitual. What would be the politics and ethics,
guiding influences and goals of such a collective.

I have some thoughts on the building and development of such a super
mental apparatus, but this being a collective issue, a collective
project, where every mind and opinion is important, I would love to
hear what you guys have to say.

David it would be cool if you could throw a few punches and upper-cuts
here.

Love
Donnell

[Valarie Vousden]

I love it! Yes, that is the beginings of what it feels like when all minds work
together. It is supposed to be really powerful. The examples you gave seem
almost passive compared to what we could do with real purpose. I would love to
experiment with this. It works best for me when in actual physical presence than
just mentally from a distance. As a "beginner" in need that kind of 5-sense
support. I get something like that as a singer in a musical group. The flow and
energy that comes from the collective members and our thoughts seem to link, we
know what to do when or who is going to do what and react to it without a word
With a soloist, of course, it's ALL about the soloist. That's not me. I'm very
aware of group energy and like it. Well, let me qualify...when it's positive.
The other kind I just want to run from. So I would be intersted in other's
replies as well. It seems like we may have minor beginnings in this density but
I feel it's a tool in our massive toolbox
that just sits in the bottom and know body knows what to do with it. Except
maybe we brave souls who want to take it out and just try it and see what it
does...

Imagine if we could get a whole stadium full of people in their "Winner's
High" cheering on peace and STO on this planet? Can you just imagine it? *smile*
I can!

Yes, any other comments? This is a great topic.
Pioneers of Spirit!
Valarie

donnellholness <donnellholness@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=q1Uq281GT5VDqRwp3FTQ4FKt0H6-_vFG3fvcdqdi2YnEEY6XfFYJix6d_xOKOJNtnAePFqaiGnXdwF c7z0ZShF4Ofg)> wrote:
Greetings Wanderers and aspiring 4th D seekers

Here are some intriguing questions.

How did the Ra entity achieve its current status of a collective
consciousness? What processes were involved in melding separate
units of intelligence, knowledge, will and all else that comprises
individual beings, into a single "data base" or Mentanet (if you will)
of higher consciousness. Was this great binding of many minds only a
natural consequence of their harvest from 3D to 4D? Or was there also
a conscious agreement to evolve into the Ra collective. Will this
binding of minds also, naturally evolve in our species as we move up
the ladder to the next level? Or do we also have to make a conscious
effort to mind meld.

Could we achieve a somewhat similar network of consciousness here and
now (before December 2012) if we consciously tried? What would such an
experience be like?

[bare_bas]

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wrote:
> But how do we consciously build such a Collective Mentanet. And
what
> would be the benefits of such a thing. Precognition, telepathy,
> transformation of matter? Could we tap into higher knowledges of
> science or things spirtitual. What would be the politics and
ethics,
> guiding influences and goals of such a collective.
>
> I have some thoughts on the building and development of such a
super
> mental apparatus, but this being a collective issue, a collective
> project, where every mind and opinion is important, I would love to
> hear what you guys have to say.
>
> David it would be cool if you could throw a few punches and upper-
cuts
> here.
>
> Love
> Donnell
>

Hello, you all don't know me, but that is irrelevant. You asked how
to build a collective super mind, I say the collective super mind is
ALREADY THERE. It is not a matter of building it, but a matter of
discovering it. Or, re-discovering it, if you will.

It is interesting to know that a child, a new-born child, can't tell
which of all the bodies is his own. He can't discriminate between
his body and yours, or whoever is in the room. But neither does he
know which thoughts are his and which are yours. Does this sound
like a collective?? Well, I think it does. So, no need to build one,
it is already there. You just have to learn how to use it.

[Howard Batie]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=9GTajsoCOs6bUOJEVMjh6mCe21SGqJT6VKHhxd ti6zoZk0TD4oUJ33UhfQuvpCifMhffvUsEaFP4pkMu-EOB), "donnellholness" <donnellholness@...>
wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> Could we achieve a somewhat similar network of consciousness here and
> now (before December 2012) if we consciously tried? What would such an
> experience be like?


Greetings from a "Lurker" reading postings in the background, but not
jumping in very often.

I've been experimenting with an approach that sounds like it could be
used to investigate the effects of such a "mentanet" that allows folks
to concentrate their awareness on a specific result (e.g., lower the
crime rate in New York by meditating on that objective, etc.). I
thought I'd take it one step further -- instead of meditating
individually or as a group on the result, have a group of subjects
focus their combined and concentrated attention on that objective WHILE
IN AN ALTERED STATE OF HEIGHTENED AWARENESS (Hypnosis). As a trained
hypnotist, I've been guiding individuals to make conscious contact with
their Higher Self, and then have that higher dimensional part of them
focus on the objective. This gets the personality filters of the ego
out of the way, and it seems to me that this would allow a clearer
spiritual experience of manifestation to occur.

To date, I've only been working with individuals in a hypnotherapeutic
approach I call "Spiritual Journeys" (see my website
www.howardbatie.com and then click on Spiritual Journeys). Two
such "Journeys" I guide my clients through are first, meeting their
Higher Self whenever they want to or need good advice, and second,
guiding them to their spiritual Hall of Transformation where they can
learn how to bring spiritual healing and transformation to individuals
or planets.

I hope soon to begin working with groups at my own healing center, and
would welcome the opportunity to join in with other groups who are
focusing on objectives such as healing, peace, balance and harmony.

As always, comments and suggestions are always welcome.

In love and light,

Howard Batie
Director, Evergreen Healing Arts Center
Chehalis, WA

[donnellholness]

Greetings Wanderers and aspiring 4th D seekers

I was intrigued by your posts in response to my thoughts on the
creating the Mentanet. Actually Howard, we seem to be on a similar
track. Altered States of Consciousness - hypnosis/ synchronised
Alpha/Theta brain states", is essentially what I have in mind as the
key tools for evolving collective mind meld. So after reading your
various enthusiastic and thoughtful responses I have decided to
continue these posts.

So here is a little about me. Since 1998 I have been exploring the use
of EEG, binaural beats and music to shift consciousness through
various 'gears' of awareness. Although there is a much more extensive
Eastern based background behind my experience with altered states, I
will limit this writing to my work with these technologies.

Binaural Beats and EEG
This writing presumes you have some knowledge of binaural beats. If
not, we can go into this later. As an experienced meditator, the thing
that excited me about the use of this technology was how quickly I
slipped into deeper/higher states of consciousness. And stayed there!
The steady "locked in" effect was something I had rarely experienced
in all my previous years of meditation. Later on as I began to observe
these states with EEG equipment, it dawned on me that mankind has just
taken a quantum evolutionary leap. Just as the stone axe and fire were
powerful enabling technologies for prehistoric man, so too are these
new brain/mind tools capable of assisting us to move up to the next
level of our evolution. But I digress.

Although I have very little experience with hypnosis, I believe that
binaural beats, skilfully created, can be used to amplify the hypnosis
effect. Further more the lasting "state locking" effect of binaural
beats, its precision in calling up alpha, theta, delta brainwaves can
add a higher degree of efficiency and reliability to the process. Or
to any other method of state alteration method for that matter.
Finally the possibility to activate multiple brainwaves simultaneously
by layering binaural beats over each other, opens up whole new areas
for exploration. New types of altered awareness?

The Mentanet
Over the past months I have given many demos here in Austria where I
live, presenting my new CDs [moderator: to conform to guidelines, specific CD's
snipped]. They are all German products so unless
you speak the language, don't ask. At these events, I typically have
groups of 8 - 12 persons listening simultaneously with wireless
headphones for 20 - 30 minutes to low theta binaural beats. Often
these persons report identical feelings. At first I thought that this
is natural because they are all in the same brain state. Until some
people began to report identical pictures!!!

So here is what I think is happening. A group of individuals hearing
precisely the same binaural beat for expanded periods of time can
build up a collective mental resonance - a group synch or shared field
of energy. Being on exactly the same wavelength, they then
subconsciously establish (or tap into if you will) a common thought
pool which finally bubbles up into conscious awareness.

If I am anywhere near correct, the implications are stupendous. Of
course a whole string of questions leap to mind. Will this shared
field effect be amplified if more persons are added? I believe so.
Does distance in space (or time for that matter) affect this energy
pool? I suspect not. Is it programmable? If so, how? What would happen
if these persons had some degree of altered awareness training?
Consider an unruly mob of demonstrators confronted by the same number
of highly disciplined policemen. Could we, with training do more than
bend spoons? Could we mentally download information (and experience)
from the Mentanet at will? And most importantly how could we use it to
impact on our personal/collective spiritual growth?

Creating the Mentanet
I believe that we certainly have the tools, knowledge and ethical
guidelines to explore this power and develop our Mentanet
capabilities. I suggest we start with a kind of Open Source approach
and get this project up and running. We launch Online, and ultimately
migrate "Inline" as the Mentanet evolves.

Jump in with your feedback everyone.

Expansion to All
Donnell

[Valarie Vousden]

[Note from moderator: In these types of posts, we must remember to discuss
*methods* and not ours or others' personal products, which are best left to
private conversations]

Hi, Donnell, and WOW is this exciting! I wish I could physically take part in
this type of experiment! I'd love to try this binaural beat in my meditation.
Can you explain what it is for a layperson? How could I best replicate this at
home to use during my own meditation? Is there any danger in doing it alone? I'd
love to try this, on my own first then at some point with a group, small or
large!

Tell us more and I wait to hear other's input on this. What a great idea!
Expansion, indeed!
Valarie

donnellholness <donnellholness@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=dnfJ4VJMTW1_aKb9JWG7RavLkg8TVvfeD_2a0G VyVe2V7UeJ2ek4sg1zqWgGg8FpV8EQaTsSoQgW6QQDHWU)> wrote:
Greetings Wanderers and aspiring 4th D seekers

As an experienced meditator, the thing
that excited me about the use of this technology was how quickly I
slipped into deeper/higher states of consciousness. And stayed there!
The steady "locked in" effect was something I had rarely experienced
in all my previous years of meditation.
<snip>
I believe that we certainly have the tools, knowledge and ethical
guidelines to explore this power and develop our Mentanet
capabilities. I suggest we start with a kind of Open Source approach
and get this project up and running. We launch Online, and ultimately
migrate "Inline" as the Mentanet evolves.

Jump in with your feedback everyone.

Expansion to All
Donnell









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[Howard Batie]

Hello Donnell -



Your approach to establishing a "Mentanet" sounds quite interesting, and it
appears that we both have the same ultimate aim - use of some mechanism that
allows entrainment and synchronization of energies (if not actual brain waves),
to connect several people or groups of people into a network of concentrated
focus and awareness with a single purpose or objective. However, it also
appears that the mechanisms we would each like to use are quite different. I
know nothing about binaural beats or EEGs, except that under certain
circumstances two or more EEGs can show that brain wave patterns become
entrained through the use of certain sounds or music. But I've never had any
personal experience with the use of sound except for the use of toning sacred
vowel sounds along with tuning forks to balance the chakras. However, as
Grandma used to say, "There's a thousand paths up the mountain, but they all
lead to the same place. Pick any path at all, but START WALKING!"



My path to date has been that of a hypnotist, and my major objective is to give
my clients several personal tools they can use anywhere, anytime, by themselves,
and eventually without having to rely on my presence or any external instruments
or paraphernalia. To that end, up to now, I have taught each individual how to
go into a deeply relaxed state of self-hypnosis by themselves anytime they want,
and then how to recognize if they truly are in that state. Then we "park" the
physical body and conscious mind, while allowing that other part of mind to
expand and rise into higher states of vibration, consciousness and awareness.
The next step for my own effort is to lead a group of people that I have trained
in self-hypnosis into the awareness of their Higher Self, and once there, to
collectively focus on a single objective. Of course, the objective can be
different for each group session.



What I envision the "Mentanet" becoming is a web of consciousness produced by
many individuals whose consciousness is in their Higher Self at the same time,
all being guided toward a single, specific objective by one "Leader". The main
difference between this effort and previous group meditation efforts is that
with my vision of the Mentanet, each participant would be focusing on the same
objective while in the highest state of spiritual awareness they can achieve at
that time. Having a Leader guide the group audibly is necessary since each
participant will be in a highly altered state of hypnosis and will need to hear
the words spoken by the Leader so that all participants can keep focused on the
same experience. This also requires that the Leader be a trained and competent
hypnotist to guide the session. Later, the effort can be expanded by having
several groups participating at the same time, again led by a single person to
keep all participants focused.



Several questions arise as to how best to coordinate the actions of several
groups - how to simultaneously and audibly guide several groups that may be in
different cities; how to ensure that proper hypnotherapeutic safeguards are
available for each group in the case of abreaction or lack of reaction; how to
ensure that the one Leader proceeds only toward objectives of love, light,
harmony, balance and peace; and how to quantify and measure the effect of a
single individual, a small group, or many separate groups operating in concert.
As stated in the Law of One material, the effectiveness of such a group effort
increases exponentially with the number of participants. However, these are not
trivial issues to resolve!



For my part, I would prefer that the Mentanet effort proceed in its development
without external equipment. That is not to say that EEG monitoring of brain
waves while listening to binaural beats is not tremendously effective; however,
it does involve having each person rely on resources external to themselves. I
would prefer that each participating person learn how to accelerate the
development of their own natural inner intuitive abilities so they can quickly
and easily enter the awareness of their Higher Self without external assistance,
and there do the spiritual work of the focus group under the direction of the
Leader. I will soon begin experimenting with my own focus group, and am open to
sharing my methods with other trained, certified, and experienced
hypnotherapists.


From: donnellholness

I was intrigued by your posts in response to my thoughts on the
creating the Mentanet. Actually Howard, we seem to be on a similar
track. Altered States of Consciousness - hypnosis/ synchronised
Alpha/Theta brain states", is essentially what I have in mind as the
key tools for evolving collective mind meld. So after reading your
various enthusiastic and thoughtful responses I have decided to
continue these posts.

[Jacob Almond]

> I say the collective super mind is
> ALREADY THERE. It is not a matter of building it, but a matter of
> discovering it. Or, re-discovering it, if you will.

I would have to agree here. :)

It's a subtle distinction - the difference between learning and
remembering. But an important one.

If we insist on applying the label 'learning' to our development
process, we truncate ourselves as we are giving power to the concept
that we are entirely seperate from 'God' (or whichever name for that
entity is more appropriate to you). Within this view everything
we 'learn' is fortunate; we consider it a blessing that a mortal
individual like us would be lucky enough to be thrown such a titbit by
the master.
Ok i'm talking an extreme example here but you get the idea! :)

If we make a shift and consider our developmental process to
be 'remembering' instead, we give power to the concept that we
ARE 'God' and are simply in a situation where we have purposely
shrouded ourselves from the fact. Anything we re-member (re-integrate
into the whole) is simple something we already knew but had
intentionally forgotten. The reason we did this was so we could play
the game of life.

Hope this makes some sense

Jake

[Pi]

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>
> > I say the collective super mind is ALREADY THERE. It is not a
matter of building it, but a matter of discovering it. Or, re-
discovering it, if you will.
>
Jake: I would have to agree here. :)
It's a subtle distinction - the difference between learning and
remembering. But an important one.
If we insist on applying the label 'learning' to our development
process, we truncate ourselves as we are giving power to the concept
that we are entirely seperate from 'God' (or whichever name for that
entity is more appropriate to you). Within this view everything
we 'learn' is fortunate; we consider it a blessing that a mortal
individual like us would be lucky enough to be thrown such a titbit
by the master.
Ok i'm talking an extreme example here but you get the idea! :)
If we make a shift and consider our developmental process to
be 'remembering' instead, we give power to the concept that we
ARE 'God' and are simply in a situation where we have purposely
shrouded ourselves from the fact. Anything we re-member (re-
integrate into the whole) is simple something we already knew but
had intentionally forgotten. The reason we did this was so we could
play the game of life.
Hope this makes some sense

Jake,
Bravo! This makes a whole lotta sense! Thanks for sharing.
Parodn this nitwit nitpicking: The term Ra used for 'intentionally
forgotten' is 'veil', which to self is a clearer configuration of
the way it is. The sense of clarity comes from 'knowing' that that
which we seek -- whether it's knowledge or how to love or how to be
or how to forgive, etc. -- we know that that which we seek is hidden
somewhere within. This spares one the option of thinking one needs
to look elsewhere outside the self for that which is / was forgotten.
Mi dos centavos con amor y paz, :) pi