bjorn_nitmou
01-30-2006, 03:41 PM
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> > What is negative space/time?
> DW: Careful here... the quote you cited below discusses TIME/SPACE, not
space/time,
and they are two VERY different things. Once we explain that, the rest is
easy... I hope.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Thanks David for the detailed explanation. Also thanks for your input Smiley
Jay. I meant
to originally have posed my question as "What Is Negative time/space AND
space/time.
I basically assumed that because Carla could have been swept up in Negative
time/space,
that that meant she would have to reincarnate in negative space/time, therefore
I just
lumped them together for the purpose of asking the question. I was just trying
to clear
up some misconceptons I had before I asked a question about this quote:::::::::
Q: Can you tell me the situation that the wanderer finds himself in and the
path back, why
that path could not be the simple moving back into positive time/space?
RA: I am RA. The path back revolves, firstly, about the Higher Selfs
reluctance to enter
negative space/time. This may be a significant part of the length of that path.
Secondly,
when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative
environment it must
needs learn/teach the lessons of the love of self thus becoming one with its
other-selves.
When this has been accomplished the entity may then choose to release the
potential
difference and change polarities. However, the process of learning the
accumulated
lessons of love of self may be quite lengthy. Also the entity, in learning
these lessons,
may lose much positive orientation during the process and the choice of
reversing
polarities may be delayed until the mid six density. All of this is, in your
way of
measurement, time consuming although the end result is well.
______________________
****The passage I just quoted was actually what initially caused me to ask the
fist
question. I had a serious problem in particular with this:
""when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative
environment it
MUST needs learn/teach the lessons of the LOVE OF SELF thus becoming one with
its
other-selves.""
When incarnating in a negative environment why MUST I learn teach the lessons of
STS?
What happened to my free will buddy? Youre telling me that because I got swept
up in this
environment now I literally have to learn to control and to KILL to get out of
it?? Are you
serious? Thats crazy. If i keep acting STO i will reincarnate there for
eternity or until I
start learn teaching STS? I don't get it. Is this the grand scheme the creator
or Logos
really had in mind? Doesn't seem right to me.
Also, if it were 3d, I assume there would be a veil in place, which would REALLY
screw you
up because you wouldn't know you had to start killing and screwing people over
to be
harvested.
What type of game is this? Its really disheartening knowing that a place like
this could
really exist, where I don't have a chance unless I go with the flow and start
raping and
killing. This is by far the weirdest thing Ive ever come across in the RA
material, once
gain:::
""When a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative
environment it
MUST needs learn/teach the lessons of the LOVE OF SELF thus becoming one with
its
other-selves.""
This is on page 144 of book 3 (session 69). RA does go into more detail over
the next few
pages, but I can't quote it all here. They attempt to explain that its just a
function of your
free will that you MUST learn the ways of STS. I think RA is attempting to
suggest that its
not that big of a deal because eventually you will make it back. At one point
RA says this:
__________
"Free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations
will be
awry. This is so in all aspects of the life experience. Although there are No
mistakes there
Are surprises"
___________
Let me make it clear that I don't have a problem with what RA is saying, but I
do have a
huge distortion when I try to get inside the mind of the creator and imagine
what it was
thinking when it came up with this possible scenario.
I see where David is coming from when he suggests that some of the negative
discussion
can become transient, the only reason I am so interested in it , is because I
want to be able
to develop a better understanding of why the negative polarity is so necessary.
And I am
trying to get a better understanding of the logic behind it.
So often we associate negative/STS as bad. But it seems like the way things are
set up this
couldn't be further from the truth. STO at this point is NO better than STS.
At least it
seems that way when the creator sets up a situation where someone MUST rape and
kill
just to advance in the universe.
See where Im coming from folks? I need to understand the negative polarity
better so I
can see how I fit into the grand scheme of things. Maybe I need to start
congratualting
serial killers for doing such a good job. Its not their fault, they are not
doing anything
"wrong," per se, they are just trying to get harvested in their own way, and
offer service to
the rest of us. So congrats Mr Killer, no hard feelings, I guess you are doing
your job, and
Im doing mine, btw, your service is not requested, thank you ver much...
> > What is negative space/time?
> DW: Careful here... the quote you cited below discusses TIME/SPACE, not
space/time,
and they are two VERY different things. Once we explain that, the rest is
easy... I hope.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Thanks David for the detailed explanation. Also thanks for your input Smiley
Jay. I meant
to originally have posed my question as "What Is Negative time/space AND
space/time.
I basically assumed that because Carla could have been swept up in Negative
time/space,
that that meant she would have to reincarnate in negative space/time, therefore
I just
lumped them together for the purpose of asking the question. I was just trying
to clear
up some misconceptons I had before I asked a question about this quote:::::::::
Q: Can you tell me the situation that the wanderer finds himself in and the
path back, why
that path could not be the simple moving back into positive time/space?
RA: I am RA. The path back revolves, firstly, about the Higher Selfs
reluctance to enter
negative space/time. This may be a significant part of the length of that path.
Secondly,
when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative
environment it must
needs learn/teach the lessons of the love of self thus becoming one with its
other-selves.
When this has been accomplished the entity may then choose to release the
potential
difference and change polarities. However, the process of learning the
accumulated
lessons of love of self may be quite lengthy. Also the entity, in learning
these lessons,
may lose much positive orientation during the process and the choice of
reversing
polarities may be delayed until the mid six density. All of this is, in your
way of
measurement, time consuming although the end result is well.
______________________
****The passage I just quoted was actually what initially caused me to ask the
fist
question. I had a serious problem in particular with this:
""when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative
environment it
MUST needs learn/teach the lessons of the LOVE OF SELF thus becoming one with
its
other-selves.""
When incarnating in a negative environment why MUST I learn teach the lessons of
STS?
What happened to my free will buddy? Youre telling me that because I got swept
up in this
environment now I literally have to learn to control and to KILL to get out of
it?? Are you
serious? Thats crazy. If i keep acting STO i will reincarnate there for
eternity or until I
start learn teaching STS? I don't get it. Is this the grand scheme the creator
or Logos
really had in mind? Doesn't seem right to me.
Also, if it were 3d, I assume there would be a veil in place, which would REALLY
screw you
up because you wouldn't know you had to start killing and screwing people over
to be
harvested.
What type of game is this? Its really disheartening knowing that a place like
this could
really exist, where I don't have a chance unless I go with the flow and start
raping and
killing. This is by far the weirdest thing Ive ever come across in the RA
material, once
gain:::
""When a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative
environment it
MUST needs learn/teach the lessons of the LOVE OF SELF thus becoming one with
its
other-selves.""
This is on page 144 of book 3 (session 69). RA does go into more detail over
the next few
pages, but I can't quote it all here. They attempt to explain that its just a
function of your
free will that you MUST learn the ways of STS. I think RA is attempting to
suggest that its
not that big of a deal because eventually you will make it back. At one point
RA says this:
__________
"Free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations
will be
awry. This is so in all aspects of the life experience. Although there are No
mistakes there
Are surprises"
___________
Let me make it clear that I don't have a problem with what RA is saying, but I
do have a
huge distortion when I try to get inside the mind of the creator and imagine
what it was
thinking when it came up with this possible scenario.
I see where David is coming from when he suggests that some of the negative
discussion
can become transient, the only reason I am so interested in it , is because I
want to be able
to develop a better understanding of why the negative polarity is so necessary.
And I am
trying to get a better understanding of the logic behind it.
So often we associate negative/STS as bad. But it seems like the way things are
set up this
couldn't be further from the truth. STO at this point is NO better than STS.
At least it
seems that way when the creator sets up a situation where someone MUST rape and
kill
just to advance in the universe.
See where Im coming from folks? I need to understand the negative polarity
better so I
can see how I fit into the grand scheme of things. Maybe I need to start
congratualting
serial killers for doing such a good job. Its not their fault, they are not
doing anything
"wrong," per se, they are just trying to get harvested in their own way, and
offer service to
the rest of us. So congrats Mr Killer, no hard feelings, I guess you are doing
your job, and
Im doing mine, btw, your service is not requested, thank you ver much...