What is negative space/time or time/space?

[bjorn_nitmou]

What is negative space/time?

Are we in positive space time now? If you incarnate into negative space time
does that just
refer to a particular planet's bias, or is there a whole density called 3d
negative? Is weather
or not a density or planet negative or positive determined by the sum of the
entities that
reside in said planet or density?

Here is an excerpt using the phrase in a sentence.

Questioner: Has a Wanderer ever been so infringed upon by a negative adept and
then placed
in negative time/space?

RA: I am RA. This is correct.
_________________________________

Sounds like it must refer to a whole density, because if it were just an
"environment" or
planet, wouldnt it just be posible to potentialy escape by space craft to a
different area?

[smileyjaiy]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=pZw6FyMGg1XYfUc47dITzA4okpYe2NsrVIZZfN Jv7bjbt83DWMuFWiCA1NVD8Zuklyej3KYxfhoIqtvjC0CF1w), "bjorn_nitmou" <bjorn_nitmou@y...> wrote:
>
> What is negative space/time?
>
> Are we in positive space time now? If you incarnate into negative
space time does that just
> refer to a particular planet's bias, or is there a whole density
called 3d negative? Is weather
> or not a density or planet negative or positive determined by the
sum of the entities that
> reside in said planet or density?
>
> Here is an excerpt using the phrase in a sentence.
>
> Questioner: Has a Wanderer ever been so infringed upon by a negative
adept and then placed
> in negative time/space?
>
> RA: I am RA. This is correct.
> _________________________________
>
> Sounds like it must refer to a whole density, because if it were
just an "environment" or
> planet, wouldnt it just be posible to potentialy escape by space
craft to a different area?

Be carefull of mixing time/space with space/time although they are
intimately related...if one is in time/space one cannot get into a
craft and take off...that is the limit of Time/space - you are
extremely limited in your ability to move through space, but the
upshot is you can tranverse through time....having said that....
I think I remember reading that passage a few weeks ago...I think the
context in which the questions were being asked was in reference to
Carlas channeling...meaning if they did not take the proper
precautions when Carla let go of her physical connection that would be
an opportune time to be 'trapped'(for lack of a better word) into a
negative time/space which in turn would lead to incarnating in a
physical space/time that corresponds to the time/space in which one
was 'trapped'...that entity would have to 'work' at getting out of
that negative environment whether it was only locally or an a
planetary scale. And that getting out may only be just from a
metaphysical perspective, they may not have to do it physically - even
so if they tried physically they would have to know where to go to
begin with, and that is only if such means as a spacecraft were
available; even if they were, the negative influence of the
environment may impede such an endeavour. From a metaphysical point,
by changing their vibration, once they enter time/space with the new
vibration then the corresponding space/time location could be
entered/incarnated into. The whole process is almost the same as being
a wanderer the only difference being the reason one got 'into this
mess' :) to begin with. I can tell you from my experience I didn't
come here as a wanderer...I was living in a higher dimension and
through getting caught up in a more negative time/space ended up here
on earth in the corresonding space/time. It is important for me to
work on bringing up and keeping up my high vibrations so that I am
able to return home, and that has been my only purpose for being here,
which is why I am not a spiritual teacher or have some high purpose to
affect peoples consciousness as an intent. I've been on this planet
for 8,000 years walking in the dark - even if there was a craft
available back then I wouldn't know what to do with it or why - having
now immeshed myself into the dark; I forgot who I was and where I came
from. It's thanks to spiritualy awakened beings and wanderers like
yourselves that raise the vibration of the planet and speak/talk about
such things that I began to remember 20 years ago....yeah when you get
trapped in the dark - it can take a while to get out...that's a
lesson I won't forget...this is my last one here on Earth - I can
already see vacation next life time somewhere else...
>

[arcadia]

From: Bjorn

> What is negative space/time?

DW: Careful here... the quote you cited below discusses TIME/SPACE, not
space/time, and they are two VERY different things. Once we explain that, the
rest is easy... I hope. Nonetheless very few can understand this aspect of the
material so I will do the best I can, already knowing it won't work that well
because it's just too hard to think this way. I don't know if anyone else is
really qualified enough to speak on this stuff since I haven't even published
most of what I learned about the science of it yet, and I know of only one guy
who has mapped out what I will be describing - Dr. Bruce Peret.

This gets back to Larsonian physics, which was endorsed as a good beginning in
the Law of One series, where the universe is built up on three real dimensions
of space and three real dimensions of time. They are in a 'reciprocal'
relationship, meaning that whether you are located in space-time or time-space,
you have three spatial dimensions that you see, move through and interact with,
and one APPARENT dimension of time - i.e. a forward movement that does not stop,
reverse or noticeably change direction, as far as you are concerned.

So if you flip over from space-time into time-space, things look the same, but
from our vantagepoint you are now stuck in space but can move at will through
all the different TIMES that occurred in that area.

Say that you flip over into time-space right in the room where you are reading
this post. Go a little ways back and you see yourself slightly younger, in
previous situations. Go a bit further back and you see other tenants who lived
there before you. Go further and you see the place being built. Go further and
you see other places that may have been there before. Go further still and you
see the earlier phases of your city, past civilizations, even archaic
civilizations. Go further and you see lower forms of life, dinosaurs, creatures,
et cetera. Go further and you move back to the primordial earth, huge tropical
weird plants, trilobites, et cetera. You get the idea.

You've never actually left the room in space-time - your body remains there the
whole time - you've simply crossed over into time-space and moved around in that
area. Weird, huh?

From a strictly pure organic view of Larsonian physics, space-time and
time-space are literally identical realms that happen to be in exact opposition
to each other, while co-existing in the same absolute location. Time-space is
the "inside out" version of the same realm we are seeing and participating in
right now. The interface between these two realities at "unit speed", i.e. the
speed of light, which is assigned the numerical value of 1 in Larsonian physics,
and various speeds slower than this top limit, (at least as far as our third
density is concerned,) forms all matter and everything that we know. And if you
understood that sentence you're too smart... get out of here.

In Larsonian physics they do not have an aether - they just have speeds of
movement. Nonetheless I have argued with Larsonians (i.e. Dr. Peret) about the
fact that no matter what math-a-magical equations you cook up, SOMETHING has to
be moving - a speed is a pointless thought concept if it does not have some form
of medium in which it moves, so as to create a frame of reference.

That debate aside, all the problems of explaining and unifying quantum and
relativity physics can be solved by some basic relationships between space and
time, using the unit speed defined as the number 1 as being the top velocity.
For the purpose of these physics equations, our number domain is 1 (unit speed)
to infinity in space-time, and time-space has an EQUALLY large body of numbers
(fractions to us) that go between 1 and zero. Did you get that? Strange, but
this is how it was explained to me.

To think of it another way, zero and infinity are equal "brackets" around the
number 1 in space-time / time-space, and there is an equal counting distance
between 1 going down to 0 as there is between 1 going up to infinity. Since zero
and infinity can trade off in this inverse relationship, that means that 1 is
also equivalent to zero and infinity... so ultimately all three are the same
number, which is 1. Now knock yourself on the head with a heavy object until you
are dizzy enough that this makes sense, and let's move on.

The distance between 1 and 0, and 1 and infinity, is identical - we just don't
understand the equivalence of zero and infinity. Infinity in one reality is the
central origin, Oneness, in the other, and vice versa.

It is an inconvenient mess that we have a concept called zero and is treated as
non-existence, like the idea of there being no unvierse before the Big Bang,
since that definition of "zero" as void blurs this relationship of Oneness
completely - but it was a necessary distortion to build up a working number
system, at the stage we were working in at the time.

Metaphysically zero and one are the same number. Pythagoras tried to teach this
PHYSICALLY, which was not a perfect idea, as it was based on lost science that
was passed down for many generations from Atlantis. It screwed up mathematics
for many years until zero was artificially delineated and made separate so as to
balance things out and create a workable system for dumb 3D humans.

A thought exercise makes this a bit easier to stomach, or perhaps is further
insight into confusion. Think of your time-space and space-time as being both
co-existing in a sphere, where the center of one is the edge of the other. Both
spheres have the same absolute "width". You go completely inside-out in one
realm as opposed to the other. The entire outside edge of the space-time sphere
rolls inward to become the exact center point of the time-space sphere, and vice
versa. That's the conceptual model. All that apparent surface area on the edge
of the sphere gets crammed into something that is THEORETICALLY a dimensionless
"point", even though it's all still in there.

Once you put mathematics to the conceptual model of the sphere so you can count
and measure within it, in space-time, the center of the sphere is 1 and the edge
is infinity (zero) as we now think of it. In time-space the center of the sphere
is 0 and the edge is 1 (infinity) as we now think of it. If you are moving
towards the edge of the sphere in space-time (infinity), you are simultaneously
moving towards the exact center of a sphere in time-space (infinity). And both
of them are going to appear the same from whichever frame of reference you are
in - hence the importance of the spherical torus.

It gets even more cool when you start dealing with the Platonic Solids, because
they are actually BUILT to handle being flipped inside-out like this. The
inverse of a dodecahedron is an icosahedron. The inverse of a cube is an
octahedron. And the inverse of a tetrahedron is another tetrahedron. When you
start applying this back into the simplified model I gave in Divine Cosmos, and
see that the two spheres of space-time and time-space appear to counter-rotate
inside each other while maintaining these geometric frequencies, then you really
are beginning to grasp how physics actually works.

Yep. Easy peesy. Kick back with know-it-all smugness and let's move on...

I do not believe that the strictly organic Larsonian view of a 100% equivalence
between space-time and time-space really works. If this were true, then our
space-time is their time-space, and their time-space is our space-time, and
we're just in this perpetual mirror-imaging role to one another, like two
parallel realities. If that were in fact true it would make for some very
complicated issues regarding soul incarnations. Yet there is no doubt that there
is a part of us working in other realms that we are not conscious of in waking
life.

I do believe that there are differences between space-time and time-space, in
terms of the experience of the entity, though you can't make a case for this in
real Larsonian physics. Space-time does seem to be the framework in which
physical incarnation takes place, and time-space seems to be the framework in
which we get to review and plan our lives, try things out before they become
physical, et cetera.

There is something more "real" about space-time to the point that even though
you can fast-forward to 2012, or whenever, and see what's there, it STILL is not
decided until we in space-time actually crank into it, one week at a time. We
can calculate PROBABILITY VORTEXES but the future is not actually known until it
impacts in space-time.

Confused yet? Just wait, it gets even better...

Your physical body is in space-time, but your astral body is in time-space. In
the secret science of "psycho-cartography," your psyche (which we normally would
consider a function of time, not space) actually is represented as a
three-dimensional environment in time-space. You can move around in this
environment to a limited degree, depending upon the issues you are working on,
but all points in your so-called linear timeline as a normal entity are
accessible for viewing there - past, present and future.

Secret training programs to develop intuitive ability stress the importance of
"mapping the dream landscape", learning where things are and how they
function... what they mean symbolically and how to resolve and understand those
issues.

The tricky part is that the same actual location of your psyche in your dream
landscape (in time-space) will appear as different-seeming things in your dream,
depending on the CONTEXT of what you have experienced going into the dream. You
could go through the same area of your psyche over and over again and see
different things there each time, because even though you may be repeating your
soul lessons, you are going through them in slightly different contexts each
time.

Hence any area of your dream landscape can cross-reference your own experience
from any point in your various lifetimes, and it can also cross-reference OTHER
people's issues from THEIR lives - including places they live, things they have
experienced, et cetera. Remember Ra's statement that they cannot see us as
separate entities.

I use this function for dream readings. Since I am about to have a powerful
emotional exchange with someone that day in the intake conversation, that
joining of energies reflects BACK in time, and in time-space when I am dreaming
that morning, the ripples from the future are reflecting back strongly enough
that I experience THEIR dream landscape, and can bring back something useful
(from the future by our standards) to talk about for the actual reading that
day. Now that's pretty cool.

> Are we in positive space time now?

DW: "Positive" and "negative" space time do not have any difference in the
physics perspective. These terms, "positive" and "negative," do not refer to
number values or directions of speeds in the Larsonian model - only to teh
ORIENTATION of mind, whether service to self or service to others, in that given
vicinity. Therefore it very much would seem that both are functions within the
same space-time.

Our planet has moved into a zone in space-time that is fourth-density positive
already, but where enough people are confused on Earth that we are still in a
third-density space that is neither positive nor negative. It is not black and
white in this realm. So the answer to your question is "yes, and no." :)

>If you incarnate into negative space time
> does that just
> refer to a particular planet's bias, or is there a whole density called 3d
> negative?

DW: No. If you find a planet that has polarized 3D negative, and you fly in
there as a total dumbass, you will indeed find yoruself in 3D negative
space-time and it will directly affect your mind and how you think - you will
become terrified and depressed and fearful by all the oppressive "energy" you
will feel in that place - like an evil planet, basically.

>Is weather
> or not a density or planet negative or positive determined by the sum of the
> entities that
> reside in said planet or density?

DW: Yes. It is sort of a function of weather - the currents of consciousness in
a given local area. Again, we really don't have either one here - they both
co-exist (negative and positive 3D space-time) in the same area.

> Here is an excerpt using the phrase in a sentence.
>
> Questioner: Has a Wanderer ever been so infringed upon by a negative adept and
> then placed
> in negative time/space?
>
> RA: I am RA. This is correct.
> _________________________________

DW: TIME-SPACE is not SPACE-TIME.

> Sounds like it must refer to a whole density, because if it were just an
> "environment" or
> planet, wouldnt it just be posible to potentialy escape by space craft to a
> different area?

DW: No... this negative entity / negative greeting / negative time-space niche
is a complex area that our little group seems to be very obsessed with right
now, which is fine. It's complicated. Ra explained that you can be tempted into
it and if you do not fully accept the temptation, you could likely come and go
as you please, within reason - but if you fully accept the temptation and do
enough service-to-self behavior there, you become karmically involved and MUST
stay there in order to work out your karma. Your own Higher Self would insure
that you stayed there since you have to clear your karma of what you have
done... like murder, rape, extortion, manipulation, et cetera.

I believe that Don Elkins over-questioned about the negative side of things, and
it got worse as the series went on. This was THE most substantial ongoing
'transient' area that he just could not let go of. I hope we can avoid repeating
those mistakes here...

Peace be with you -

- David

[Tobey Wheelock]

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>
> What is negative space/time?
> <snip>
> Sounds like it must refer to a whole density, because if it were just
> an "environment" or planet, wouldnt it just be posible to potentialy
> escape by space craft to a different area?


This question has been basically answered already, but I found a quote
in session 70 that might be helpful:

Questioner: Now here is the point of my confusion. If, after physical
death, a Wanderer would return to his home planet why cannot the same
entity be extracted from negative time/space to the home planet rather
than incarnating in negative space/time?

Ra: I am Ra. As we stated, the position in negative time/space, of which
we previously were speaking, is that position which is pre-incarnative.
After the death of the physical complex in yellow-ray activation the
mind/body/spirit complex moves to a far different portion of time/space
in which the indigo body will allow much healing and review to take
place before any movement is made towards another incarnative
experience.

I perceive a basic miscalculation upon your part in that time/space is
no more homogenous than space/time. It is as complex and complete a
system of illusions, dances, and pattern as is space/time and has as
structured a system of what you may call natural laws.



The key here is that it's a pre-incarnative portion of negative
time/space.

So the entity which finds itself in negative time/space as Bjorn
described is faced with a situation in which the only way out,
apparently, is to be born to negative parents on a negative planet (I
assume fourth or fifth density). You can understand why the higher self
of a positive entity might not want to put itself in that situation.

L/L,
Tobey W.

[pschutzy]

David,
your explanation on space/time time/space was very helpful. I hadn't
been able to quite get a grasp of it but figured I understand some
time?

"The distance between 1 and 0, and 1 and infinity, is identical - we
just don't understand the equivalence of zero and infinity. Infinity
in one reality is the central origin, Oneness, in the other, and
vice versa."

What really struck me was the concept of 1 and 0.
(If you'll permit my very basic and limited point of view.)
The symbol of the circle, or the number 0, as pure Spirit? God? the
All, the Whole, the Every-thing and the No-thing.
The symbol of the circle with the dot in the center, the dot as the
number one matter, consciousness born, the manifestation of the
spirit.
Hence the trinity.
Spirit, matter and the interplay between the two.
The interplay being space/time and time/space depending on the
direction one is moving or attention is focused upon (toward spirit
or matter).

So would this idea be applicable to what you wrote or am I way off
base?
It just seemed to me when I was reading your words the space/time
reminded me so much of being the in the physical seeking to
move/understand/experience in the spiritual and time/space as being
in the spiritual and seeking to move/etc. in the physical.

Blessings and Joy
Patty

[Michael Abrient]

From a strictly pure organic view of Larsonian physics, space-time and
> time-space are literally identical realms that happen to be in exact
> opposition to each other, while co-existing in the same absolute location.
> Time-space is the "inside out" version of the same realm we are seeing and
> participating in right now. The interface between these two realities at
> "unit speed", i.e. the speed of light, which is assigned the numerical
> value of 1 in Larsonian physics, and various speeds slower than this top
> limit, (at least as far as our third density is concerned,) forms all matter
> and everything that we know. And if you understood that sentence you're too
> smart... get out of here.


Pfft. It makes total sense once you throw in those Platonic solids and set
those measurements equal to 1, like you said-- if the universe's geometry is
representative of time and space, the shapes themselves lend themselves to
the possibility of inverse and complimentary relationships. It's just a
matter of wrapping your head around the meaning of the lines-- if energy is
going one way, there's energy going the other.

So, how is 3d time/ space alike or different from 4d space/ time, or am I
getting something mixed up here? Awhile ago, there's was talk about 4d being
about temporal freedom versus the 3d's spatial freedom, so are these the
same? And how does this relate to the 6d higher self also being the "future"
3d self? It would seem like it would be just as much that as it would be the
6d me going back in time to the here and right now, so I can be here typing
this. And could this also be why I wouldn't be "here" if I crossed over into
4d?

Wait, you were talking about this later in the letter. Ahhhh ha...


The distance between 1 and 0, and 1 and infinity, is identical - we just
> don't understand the equivalence of zero and infinity. Infinity in one
> reality is the central origin, Oneness, in the other, and vice versa.


Oh man, middle school geometry. The teacher told us a line segment was
finite, and a line was infinite. I told her, nuh uh, divide the line segment
in half. Then do it again and again. She got the point. My favorite analogy
has always been Achilles chasing the tortoise.


Metaphysically zero and one are the same number. Pythagoras tried to teach
> this PHYSICALLY, which was not a perfect idea, as it was based on lost
> science that was passed down for many generations from Atlantis.


This struck a cord with me, because this is so obvious-- for instance, the
major arcana consists of 22 cards, beginning with 0. And I've always
wondered, so... "0" is the "first" card? Right. So... shouldn't it just be
"1", since that number is technically first and all? Well, no. But, isn't it
understood you start counting with "0"? Well, yeah, but the "0" card could
also go at the end. Riiight.

Even the convention of "0" is a paradox-- if it's an absence of a number,
why is it a number? Aren't you counting nothing, or admitting there can't
not be something?

But, still, in other areas of numerology, 0 and 9 can serve similar
functions-- 72, reduces to 9, which would be the same if you just added 0 to
9, or even 9 to 9. Or in another case 16, 7+9, would reduce to 7. The same
if you added 0 to 7, duh.

So, how does the Mayan system of math, their fetish for 26's and such,
translate into things like the Nineveh Constant, and then finally Arabic
numerals. I guess I'm asking where are all these counting systems congruent?
Would it just be like a base conversion? Obviously this isn't a major
mystery to anyone except me, so, I'm just wondering-- this isn't a strong
point of mine.

I also have synesthesia with numbers of all things-- 0's silver, 4 is red, 3
is yellow, 5 is green, 7 is blue. I could go on. How do the numbers do this?
How can quantity stand for emotive qualities? I know the universe vibrates
itself and the consciousness units pick up the emotion/ wavelength, but what
keeps the expressions of quantities from being just a Rorschac test? Like,
why does 6 mean what it means, what gives it its meaning, why these certain
colors, and so on.

Wasn't Athens an Atlantean colony? I didn't get that from a Cayce/ RA
source, so I had to ask.

Man, or, you know what, I could just look that up myself and quit asking
such puckish questions.


There is something more "real" about space-time to the point that even
> though you can fast-forward to 2012, or whenever, and see what's there, it
> STILL is not decided until we in space-time actually crank into it, one week
> at a time. We can calculate PROBABILITY VORTEXES but the future is not
> actually known until it impacts in space-time.


I guess this lends weight to your argument against the Larsonian "speed"
concept-- what determines how fast time is? If reality is a consensus, then
all the other individuated forms of consciousness, not exclusive to the
Earth itself, ley lines and such and the effects they have on time, sitting
around actually direct how time is experienced, and therefore where the
collective/ local timestream goes. I feel like I'm over complicating this,
but would it be like a trail of water flowing down the cracks of a wall? The
water being the time stream and the cracks being the possible 3d events that
could happen, which is why this reality is so "real" in the way things are
manifested locally here.


I use this function for dream readings. Since I am about to have a powerful
> emotional exchange with someone that day in the intake conversation, that
> joining of energies reflects BACK in time, and in time-space when I am
> dreaming that morning, the ripples from the future are reflecting back
> strongly enough that I experience THEIR dream landscape, and can bring back
> something useful (from the future by our standards) to talk about for the
> actual reading that day. Now that's pretty cool.


I wondered what you meant when you were talking about wanting to give
readings once a week instead of three or four times a week, so you wouldn't
have to dream the dreams of that many other people. I didn't know this is
what I had been doing, but I guess I was. In one dream I had recently (isn't
having to hear about other people's dreams fun??), my friend had gotten
separated from her significant other, and had retreated to this strange
land, and was in this tower that was like a series of rooms stacked on top
of one another. It was also like the dream was trying to explain to me what
this thing was, but I couldn't understand the metaphor. So I jokingly told
my friend I had been dreaming about her and told her what it was; and she
said that was funny, because she dreamed that night she her significant
other got lost, and so she went to Thailand, and was inside of a pagoda.

And a couple of nights ago, I dreamed I was in some store, chewing on
something, and my left molar completely broke. Later that day this other
friend of mine told me she was walking around in Wal-Mart chewing on gum,
and totally chipped half of a tooth off. I asked her if it was in the back
on the left side, and she told me it was.

"Your dreams predict the future, here comes the science..."


DW: No. If you find a planet that has polarized 3D negative, and you fly in
> there as a total dumbass, you will indeed find yoruself in 3D negative
> space-time and it will directly affect your mind and how you think - you
> will become terrified and depressed and fearful by all the oppressive
> "energy" you will feel in that place - like an evil planet, basically.


Okay, so the requirement for these guys to pull off a negative harvest here
is to have the whole population be 90-95%(?) STS. Then, logically, and this
is pretty funny once you appreciate the reptilian reasoning behind this,
there are two ways they can try to meet this requirement. One, by actually
converting all 6 billion or so of us to 90-95% STS instead of the 51% STO
requirement for positive harvest. Or two, by converting a hardcore evil few,
then kill off the rest.

I was thinking the other day, and this is just me musing, that considering
what happened to Maldek (Whut? "Maldek"?? There ain't but nine planets in
the sol-arr system. Whut're you talking about!?), as well as Mars, that the
Crusaders were allowed to infiltrate Earth by the Powers That Be as a karmic
safety valve in a way-- to create a learning dynamic so that we entities
here could positively orient ourselves and so that the Sol system could
finally have a successful 3d harvest, regardless of the technical awareness
of the culture and its meddling.

I guess negativity and how it's manifested itself on our planet is such a
point of interest because perhaps, on a collective unconscious level,
this really
bothers us, since we've "lost" so much of what so many people's soul
memories are dictating we should be having, in terms of mass awareness and
creature comforts, because of this. But this was just the higher Universe's
way of seeing that we learn the lessons we need to learn, while at the same
time making sure we don't toast ourselves this time around.

This is not excusing making for the cold-blooded vampires who live under the
Earth. They are not our wardens, and there is no justification for what they
do. But, I guess it might help put things in perspective.

Okay, so, play some Led Zeppelin/ Beatles songs backwards. See reverse time
and ultimate simultaneity in motion.

Peace,
A


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[* Zia]

From: "pschutzy" <schutzy11@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=S0wEyrZVn4BZve4be_lStsk6-xk6XyyFiSKaexFJ9i4YbgbmIMoogb1Kb7hC_CiRC-7QEaiAY_J1m-M)>

What really struck me was the concept of 1 and 0.
(If you'll permit my very basic and limited point of view.)
The symbol of the circle, or the number 0, as pure Spirit? God? the
All, the Whole, the Every-thing and the No-thing.
The symbol of the circle with the dot in the center, the dot as the
number one matter, consciousness born, the manifestation of the
spirit.


HI Patty :) excellent thoughts, as that initial symbol, the first element
of hydrogen, talks to us in many ways :) Perhaps I could share a few
concepts myself :) Having programmed computers in 'machine code' that is
zero and one interchangeable within a long line to make a machine
instruction (as opposed to the high level 'language' computer coded programs
of today) I enjoy the 0 and 1, for in its simplist meaning it is, off and
on! :) And that 1 looks like 'l' a straight line, which when viewed from
the end of it, is a dot :) And thus your symbol of the circle with a dot in
the center COULD BE the symbol of creation, to me :) and the foundation of
computers as well, in that computers mimic our brain's function, externally
demonstated!

So that circle with a point in it, as another point of view is to me: the
circle symbolically encloses the potential of the vastness of ALL THAT IS
within a space in order to view it :) By enclosing that space, we have an
excellent symbol of the VOID, of GOD, of the Potential of ALL THAT IS, the
unmanifest, and thus from our lmiited perspective 'the UNKNOWN'. Who KNOWS
what is in the Mind of God? And does God KNOW all the potentials within the
unfolding of ALL POTENTIALS? Again, perhaps another unknown, that is simply
provided for in the unfolding of creation :)

So when I held that circle with a dot in the center in my mind's eye in
contemplation, focus, meditation whatever you choose to call it, it
ultimated unfolded BACK to me, as nothingness and I stayed with that
nothingness, comfortable in it, just observing, and then suddenly a POINT OF
LIGHT appeared! Ah ha! Zero and One like the computer. Off = dark On =
point of light! Potential is nothing, the void to observe, and in
observation LIGHT is born! That void then could be LOVE, ALL THAT IS GOD in
potential.... far beyond our conception.... and ONE LIGHT is born.... as I
continued to observe.... many more points of light appeared surrounding that
first point of light. Ah ha, then perhaps 'observation' is CREATION! Ah
ha, the observer....

Now the school of thought from which I partake has one foundational
instruction from God, Creator, what have you, Father of All Potentials, to
ITS creation :) and that is: to MAKE KNOWN the UNKNOWN. Potentials are not
known because they are NOT EXPERIENCED yet, and thus creation is born....
us, the mirrors TO GOD of itself, unfolding all the potentials of the Mind
of God that GOD MAY SEE IT and experience IT through US :) Yet we have to
SEE, observe those potentials long enough for them to become a physical
reality :)

Thus we have the VOID of all creation, (to me The Mind of God = TOTAL LOVE),
giving birth to Light, that mirrors back to God itself.... Love/Light
becoming Light/Love, the Love is within the Light in creation, whereas the
Light (potential) is within Love that is God :) So when I saw that FIRST
point of Light... I KNEW IT WAS ME :) The mirror image of God, showing God
itself :) and didn't God say something like: My Son (sun) in whom I am
well pleased :) Well of course, it is ITSELF!

We see this play out symbolically in the male planting the sperm (seed
thought of its creation) into the female womb of creation, bursting into
Life, Light, Love at BIRTH into our physical world, being seen in the Light
:) and mirroring back to God/Goddess its creation :)


Patty: Hence the trinity.

Z: Father, Son/Sun, Holy Ghost = Father Creator Thought (void = unseen
potential); Son/Sun Radiant point of Light shining like a noon day sun;
mirroring back to Father God itself, and the Holy Ghost COULD be the Spirit,
interface Consciousness, Christ Consciousness knowing/unfolding the Mind of
Father God, into manifest reality Light of Creation with THAT CREATION...
thus the interface to Love/Light [interface (spirit)] Light/Love :)... the
trinity :) We DO NOT know the Mind of God, YET Spirit DOES :) amd acts as
that interface.... thus Christ within Jesus was the Christ Consciousness,
SPIRIT interfacing with God walking in a human form upon the earth :) Thus
Christ was soulless, for his Christ Consciousness was fully resident and he
required no SOUL interface to Spirit :) I have also come to understand that
St Francic of Assisi was also soulless, and perhaps when we 'are born again
in the spirit' the SOUL becomes obsolete or dissolves as its program
function is to REACH this point, of FULL ENLIGHTENMENT, the SUN/son
radiating within a human body :) = Christ :)

Patty: Spirit, matter and the interplay between the two.

Ahhh consciousness and energy... matter simply being VERY SLOWED energy
holding the consciousness = the thought-picture of the desired form that the
energy HOLDS to the picture of that form :) in very slow time. EAch of our
color-bodies as RA refers to them, is a faster and faster frequency of
vibration of the same body for a number of the levels, defining the levels
or densities of matter that IS LIGHT. We often tend to see LIGHT as
DIFFERENT to MATTER. It is not, matter is simply slowed Light :) My
understanding = Love:Light:Electrum:Form:Matter :)

And finally since we are co-creators with our Father :) we too can HOLD a
thought, in all its color and detail, and hold it for some time, in a HIGH
LEVEL of consciousness, and then as it slows in TIME uncorrupted by any
other thoughts, voila, it does indeed manifest... first in our thought
returning often as a vision/dream; and then ultimately to our physical body,
emotionally experienced, and we have then JUST MADE KNOWN THE UNKNOWN
through the creative process :) Known on all levels, all the way into the
physical, which I see as the purpose of life.... experiencing Love in all
its creative forms and expressions :) and thus God the Father Creator
experiences all of creation through ITS CREATION :)

Patty: The interplay being space/time and time/space depending on the
direction one is moving or attention is focused upon (toward spirit
or matter).

Z: Well just speculating here, yet time/space COULD BE the mirror or
anti-matter environment moving in the opposite direction inward as space
collapsing into no time = void (back to God), and space/time could be moving
outward, expanding space from no-time, expanding outward God/Creation/Life
:) Thus if one got caught in Time/Space they would be going backwards in
time and may drop back incarnationally into an earlier time, earlier
consciousness abilities etc. The goal is always to keep expanding outward,
thus it is all about the future, for it is within the future that we return
COMPLETE back to God :) not going back and repeating the past :)

[pschutzy]

Z:"We see this play out symbolically in the male planting the sperm
(seed
thought of its creation) into the female womb of creation, bursting
into
Life, Light, Love at BIRTH into our physical world, being seen in
the Light
:) and mirroring back to God/Goddess its creation :)"

Zia, thank you for posting your thoughts. The visual description you
paint in words is very easy for my mind to grasp. I do believe we
are of the same mind on these thoughts. I appreciate your point of
view.

Z:"Potentials are not known because they are NOT EXPERIENCED yet,
and thus creation is born...."

I often get confused when struggling in this life, wondering why,
why, why, and what's the point, especially when there seems no end
in sight to cycle of what it is that I don't want to be
experiencing. I tend to forget that the quality of experience lends
itself to the focus of my mind and intent. I forget that I am so
much more than the "poor me's" and there is so much more to
experience. When I ponder the potentials and how to "get that ball
rolling" the Creator within blossoms. Whether I contemplate on the
esoteric, mystic, occult mysteries and bringing that down into
something tangible and useful in my life scope or contemplate the
mysteries of what my body needs for dinner. I so often forget the
importance of our action, bringing into creation what we want to
experience, and the power behind that action.
Ops, sorry, I'm babbling.

The trinity?

Z:"?and the Holy Ghost COULD be the Spirit,"

Yes, that is how I understand the trinity.
1) the Father? the Masculine principle, the Positive, the Spirit
2) the Holy Spirit? the Mother, the Feminine principle, the
Negative, Matter
3) the interaction between the two, the Creation (son/daughter),
Consciousness, the Experience.

I'll have to think about your mention on the Soul. I was taught that
the soul was sort of synapses between Consciousness and the
unconscious (or sleeping) incarnate individual. Then, eventually,
when the incarnate entity "woke up" realizing it's Divinity, the
being then became the Conscious Soul Incarnate or the True Being.
(Could be we're saying the same thing just from different points of
view?)

Blessings and Joy
Patty

[* Zia]

From: "pschutzy" <schutzy11@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=f5OMefpJPd8EK1o06ScT2iDFh_7huTu2ISQr76 d8lxPvSI8GXuUzBw9-gFAMdTDdV7ZDHSzZ7A4WLa3YAK8)>


Zia, thank you for posting your thoughts. The visual description you
paint in words is very easy for my mind to grasp. I do believe we
are of the same mind on these thoughts. I appreciate your point of
view.

HI Patty :) Thank you :) In those races that were envisioned by Gene
Roddenberry of Star Trek that had mental telepathy capabilities,
demonstrated that ability 'pictorially' and found 'verbal expression'
difficult. We have lost the ability to create verbal 'pictures' of
expression that contain the feelings=coloring of the landscape and events :)
Usually we engage this ability in emotional reactionary descriptions for
emphasis that often end up in exaggeration. Yer rarely do we engage this
for the joy, bliss, or awesome wonder of our lives :)

Each of us has a valid point of view, (some call opinion), that is 'our
truth' in experiencing life colored by each of us according to individual
bias, beliefs, past conditionings, fears, doubts, etc. Our experiences and
the expressions of those experiences are the GIFT of living Life, however
artistically we wish to express them :)

The ability to create our reality is through our 'imagination' and MUST be
in pictures, for God does not operate in words, rather emPOWERS pictures
colored exquisitely and painted in JOY :) Thus, if we can express and ALSO
see the picture/s of our expression and feel it as well in that moment, we
are actually CREATING in that now moment :) Words in and of themselves are
really dead things, and in my humble opinion DO NOT create reality... rather
they look like the TV screen with snow on it, obliterating all images
because we are not 'providing the picture' :) As we gyrate emotionally in
repetitive emotional verbiage, that's perhaps what God=the Observer sees and
of course gives back to us :)


Z:"Potentials are not known because they are NOT EXPERIENCED yet,
and thus creation is born...."
Patty: I often get confused when struggling in this life, wondering why,
why, why, and what's the point, especially when there seems no end
in sight to cycle of what it is that I don't want to be
experiencing.

Z: Yes confusion keeps us locked in repetition and the 'outer world
experience' is fantastic at ensuring this condition persists for most :)
Perhaps the 'way out' of confusion is to see right here, that your thoughts
actually keep you locked into the repetition: 'why' is a valid question,
and the answer could be because we keep recycling the same thoughts :) and
'what's the point' usually lands us in depression because an answer might be
'the point of repetition MIGHT BE offering you another choice!'

So you could say to yourself :) I am finished with this repetitive
experience and would REALLY ENJOY experiencing something NEW... and then ask
yourself what you would RATHER EXPERIENCE, and start PICTURING that in your
mind, writing it down, seeing it clearly and imagining the JOY of having
that experience :) Watch your mind at this point because it will bombard
you with all your past conditioning, fears and beliefs and throw on the salt
of doubt as well, and most likely push that button of giving up = 'what's
the point!'

If you can hang in there just watching all those thoughts that ultimately
say no, no, no (and well everyone else gets it but not me etc) and SEE THEM,
FEEL THEM, and THEN start laughing AT THEM, knowing that is NOT really true
unless you want it to be, you suddenly and powerfully break the repetitive
thinking cycle of destructive thoughts (destructive of what you really
prefer to experience) and that STOPPED in its tracks, and the energy of that
directed into 'a brand new creative future experience' with the dream
quality of Cinderella feelings, WOW your life would begin to change... you
WOULD get that experience, yet perhaps NOT straightaway, because we have
alot of debris to clear first, and by simply saying NO when it presents, not
this, and holding again to the 'desired new experience - repicturing to
dissolve the past conditionings. Yet you will get little indicators that
everything is changing. And as these occur you start to realize that you
can indeed make changes in your life experience.... then life becomes an
exciting adventure.

Just maybe we created a gazillion dramas of adversity to propel us
(catalyst) to MAKE changes in our thinking so that we can become all that we
are meant to become, Co-Creators with God :) Because the God within you
will give to you your desired experience according to the barometer of JOY
within you. If that barometer of joy is sitting at zero... well the
experience feels like that too :) Yet if you can find 100% JOY in creating
your desired experience, seeing it and feeling it and tasting it as a
reality, then BINGO God says YES! If you then color that creation with fear
and doubt.... oops that JOY experience is pushed out on the time line and
the fear experience is what manifests NEXT!

So we must clear our fearful creations, and if we see them coming and
dissolve the energy of them within, they do not happen without :) And if we
stop all fear (which means ceasing the judgment cycle), then our creations
manifest without any obstacles :) And then we are on the roller coaster
ride of our lives as we contemplate what we would really wish to engage and
experience in this blessed world :)


Patty: I tend to forget that the quality of experience lends
itself to the focus of my mind and intent. I forget that I am so
much more than the "poor me's" and there is so much more to
experience. When I ponder the potentials and how to "get that ball
rolling" the Creator within blossoms. Whether I contemplate on the
esoteric, mystic, occult mysteries and bringing that down into
something tangible and useful in my life scope or contemplate the
mysteries of what my body needs for dinner. I so often forget the
importance of our action, bringing into creation what we want to
experience, and the power behind that action.

Z: So you do KNOW already that the wonder of life is being offered in every
moment :) Thus the purpose of the 'picture' which can be a simple symbol,
easy to recall in moments of impending stress :) and laid into the mind,
cause us to instantly relax, REMEMBER which really means to re-picture, and
uplfits us by the energy of JOY we have poured into that symbol. As you
recognize the mind starting to go unconscious into 'repetitive' thinking
patterns, TAKE A DEEP BREATH, and that inspiration of breath brings in
Spirit :) and immediately image the symbol.

This done is like Jesus saying 'turn the other cheek' to me. If you are
looking at something 'outside' and see something that brings you
displeasure, we can simply look away, and the energy changes. If we lock
into it in our mind, describing it and reacting to it and doing this over
and over we are actually building a huge negative energy that must come back
to us in some way. So if in our mind, old past thought patterns arise, we
can simply 'turn the other cheek' which is to shift our focus into what we
would RATHER EXPERIENCE... and voila, we are out of the pits :)

This practiced over and over, then stands us in good stead in any walk of
life :)


Patty: I'll have to think about your mention on the Soul. I was taught that
the soul was sort of synapses between Consciousness and the
unconscious (or sleeping) incarnate individual. Then, eventually,
when the incarnate entity "woke up" realizing it's Divinity, the
being then became the Conscious Soul Incarnate or the True Being.
(Could be we're saying the same thing just from different points of
view?)

Z: My understanding is the synapses are the points in the brain neuron that
FIRE specific thoughts. Those thoughts firing jump the gap of the synapse
and fire throughout connected neurons/synapses to energise the pathways of
repetition of that thought occuring into your world :) This was beautifully
demonstrated in What the Bleep do we Know?. In order to create, the
thought, the emotional charge and the physical must all be involved :)

Consciousness is the incoming stream of thoughts that look for a pathway of
light in the brain, to connect to appropriate (frequency specific) brain
neurons. If we are receiving a stream of consciousness that does not find a
connection it simply passes on through. If we are building a neuronet for
that stream of consciousness, (database), then that stream energises and
brings in new thoughts for processing through the brain, to create MIND.
Thus Mind is the result of consciousness acting upon the brain. And the
goal as I see it, is to have activated the neuronet of the Mind of God,
hardwired into the brain (probably what the other 97% of the brain contains
:) and bring that forward as the Christ Consciousness expressed in your life
:) That consciousness exists ALL THE TIME, yet we are usually not accessing
it, nor expressing it :) Rather we are locked in a tiny room of the
personality ego, repeating belief systems, habits, fears, doubts, JUDGMENTS
(big time since the whole modus operandi of the personality ego is
comparison against its database of False Evidence Appearing Real), and our
life then is simply the 'unconscious repetition' of past events, ad nauseum
:) which then leads to repetitive behaviors in the world and drawing
repetitive events into our life that escalate in intensity until we WAKE UP
:) and take control of our life :)

And yes, we are saying the same thing, I have just magnefied its meaning.
The Soul may simply be the 'agenda' for this lifetime for the 'personality
ego' to reach enlghtenment, or awakening, and once awake we are unlimited
and not bound by our PAST for it has been completed. The Christ
Consciousness then is in full direct communication with its Creator, as this
would be the Spirit of our being. And Life is about Spirit having a human
experience. Currently for most, the personality ego - the emotionally
recorded experiences of this lifetime, is considered the human experience.
Yet the name, and its experiences recorded in a database, are just that.
That is NOT YOU! It is simply a record of what you chose to record
emotionally, in order to usually avoid in the future :) Thus the
personality ego dissolves when the body goes inanimate. Now I am
speculating that the Soul UNITES with Spirit with Christ Consciousness
activated and fully realized, as in the case of Jesus or St Francis of
Assisi, and perhaps many others, and thus the consciousness operating the
body is doing so from OUTSIDE OF TIME :) and thus not bound by time,
distance or space.

Okay I have rambled on long enough :) You can see I truly love engaging
understanding of who and what we are :) Thank you Patty for the opportunity
to do so :) Z