Sunday Meditations

[Light Eye]

Dear Friends,

Here's the latest from Carla and the group.

Love and Light.

David

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2005/2005_1015.htm

Special Meditation
October 15, 2005
Question chosen by PLW poll [1]: Can you talk about the concept of densities
and/or vibrations levels? We hear a lot about these terms. What do they really
mean? How do we apply them in our daily lives here?

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2005/2005_1219.htm

Special Meditation
December 19, 2005
Group question: What exactly is a time lateral and how is it created?

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0109.htm

Special Meditation, Palm Springs, California
January 9, 2006
Group question: We?ve been gathering here this weekend to get information and
inspiration to help the harvest on this planet. Specifically we would like to
know how this group can be most helpful to direct the harvest and to increase
the harvest as much as possible. Could you get some information to us on that
topic?

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0115.htm

Sunday Meditation
January 15, 2006
Group question: The question today, Q?uo, has to do with letting go. Most of
the folks talking around the circle today seem to be in a rather harmonious
place on their journey. Things are relatively solid and moving forward in a
positive manner. But we know that change is always on the horizon. The spiritual
seeker can depend upon change. And what we have learned over the years is that
letting go is the way for change to happen most easily within us. We?ve
discovered a couple of ways of letting go. If we?re a little hesitant of letting
go, if we hold on for a while, we finally come to the point where we have to let
go. ?Let go or die!? That works but it is hard to do it that way. It seems to be
much more easily accomplished if we can let go in a conscious fashion and do it
at our own pace. We were wondering if you could talk to us about these two types
of letting go as a part of the spiritual seeker?s journey. Is one more helpful
or efficient than the other?



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[Light Eye]

Dear Friends,

Here's the latest from Carla and The Group.

Be Well, Be Love.

David

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0318.htm

Special Meditation
March 18, 2006

Question from A and R: (Read by Jim.) The first question is: A experiences
visitations by a person who is not visible but whose footsteps he can hear. Can
you please offer any comments and thoughts you feel might be helpful to learn
more about this experience?

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0319.htm

Sunday Meditation
March 19, 2006

Group question: The question today has to do with the general idea of
?ascension,? or transitioning into fourth density and we?re wondering what role
the Holy Spirit plays. Is it something that comes into us and inspirits us and
helps us along on this transition? Is it the same thing as the higher self? Is
this transition something into which we?re moving or is it moving towards us?
Just how does this work? We?re wondering what Q?uo could tell us that would give
us a little more clarity on this whole concept of moving from third density to
fourth density, how it happens, who helps, and how it works.


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[wubby gump]

What kind of "earthly things" does Q'uo refer to here?
I love the Earth as a sacred garden that I am part
of. Will that keep me from graduation to 4th density?

Agape,
Don Eli
--------------------------------------

Thomas: In my humble opinion, Q'uo is referring to all
the things that don't really matter in 3d. Things like
politics, war, money, posessions, TV shows, magazines,
hunger, disease, etc, etc......... These are just
constructs that make up this environment that we live
in. All exist in order for us to experience ourselves
to the nth degree. Honestly, I hate to throw out a
film to demonstrate what I'm talking about, especially
one that gets posted almost ad-nauseum on the
internet, but the very first film in "The Matrix"
trilogy pretty much hits a bullseye several hundred
times over as to our experience(s) here in 3d. You ARE
the character of Neo in the first film (and since some
have posted recently about ET-influenced material -
this film is without a doubt ET-influenced) This world
is almost completely based on our five
senses.......... and for many, many people, those five
senses just are not enough......... there is
more............ & you unconsciously seek that which
is only seen, felt, touched, heard, and smelled
through your proverbial "sixth sense".......... this
is the area where metaphysics comes into play, and
that's why most of us are all here in this forum.

It is wonderful that you have a profound respect for
this planet & all that exist on it, but, realize that
it is an infinitely microscopic speck in the
neverending universe & you are truly not alone. You
never have been & you never will be. Loving/not loving
this planet has nothing literally to do with
Ascension. It does help & matter a great, great deal.

Basically, I can only tell you from my experience to
study TLoO as much as you can, & try every day to see
yourself in everyone as much as you can. 4d is all
about unconditional love, and I can only say that it
is extremely hard to live your life every day in that
manner. I would equate it to eating yourself to 350 or
400 pounds & then stop eating & excercising like mad
to lose all that weight. How hard do you think that
would be?!? There are an infinite number of ways to go
about "qualifying" for Ascension, but it honestly,
honestly doesn't matter................. you will
sometime, somewhere, someplace ......... just try to
live your life as unselfishly as you possibly
can........... and reading/studying The Law of One
will help you tremendously in that regard.............

~ Thomas



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[jess9dob]

In a message dated 11/2/06 11:23:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
wubbygump@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=W6yQQcqbrku0vygsJ9g22rdmUqHkXt3wIDPlDS d7slsdKPNQFRzXXfOpU3WSLKhMMB3DWXXqRuNMynrS) writes:

> It is wonderful that you have a profound respect for
> this planet & all that exist on it, but, realize that
> it is an infinitely microscopic speck in the
> neverending universe & you are truly not alone. You
> never have been & you never will be. Loving/not loving
> this planet has nothing literally to do with
> Ascension. It does help & matter a great, great deal.

What does it help and why does it matter, Thomas; if my love of Earth is not
a factor in ascension? Is not ascension merely a way to experience more than
the 5 senses, but within the same reality that we exist in in 3D? Are we not
part of the Earth, and is not Earth part of the heavens? Can we love the
universe, ourselves and each other if we do not love the Earth?

I like your idea that Q'uo meant "all the things that don't really matter in
3d. Things like politics, war, money, possessions, TV shows, magazines,
hunger, disease, etc, etc......... " I agree with this because it occurs to me
that
Carla, the channeler of Q'uo, has a Christian background, and Jesus meant the
world to be the social group-think of competition and domination (bullying
and empire), and the church twisted this to make physical reality and the Earth
itself evil.

You go on to say "These are just constructs that make up this environment
that we live in." I agree that social group-think is an environment we live in,
but the Earth and the elemental spirits have a reality beyond our perception
of them, just as we have a reality beyond our own perception. I propose that
our mental constructs are about controlling our environment and making it
perform as we desire. Seeking harmony, however, is a different way of relating
and
is not based on construction of mental constructs, but rather is about
becoming open to receive the love we give coming back at us. If we cannot do
this
in 3D on Earth, I cannot imagine we could do it anywhere else.

Agape,
Don Eli

[jess9dob]

In a message dated 11/2/06 11:23:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
wubbygump@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=BFRIYwSBKh82lEb6oI_xfHeyNced7JeEm0TAnX VDrvAdQCYFYOyLB2x0C_0pgc255i-rDqyLaVHe) writes:

> In my humble opinion, Q'uo is referring to all
> the things that don't really matter in 3d. Things like
> politics, war, money, posessions, TV shows, magazines,
> hunger, disease, etc, etc......... These are just
> constructs that make up this environment that we live
> in.

Those things are "constructs," Thomas, like our ego is merely a mental
construct. But our body and the Earth are reality beyond our mental control.

It occurs to me that O'uo says our harvest into 4D will leave us here on
Earth; so love of Earth would be valuable then. Like Filip said "Loving the
earth
as a sacred garden is pretty 4d in my view."

Agape,
Don Eli

[Nina]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=bq_2amrhrttGazyGDk862aeZT4JHDGL10tv0EU 0AnoF1lII6Wh9126_GB7PP5cbAJQPQaeYbJCAop5pPpjA), wubbygump@... writes:
...infinitely microscopic speck in the neverending universe ...

.... Seeking harmony, however, is a different way of relating and
is not based on construction of mental constructs, but rather is
about becoming open to receive the love we give coming back at us...
Agape,Don Eli

YES, microscopic speck, and also being open to receive the love coming
back at us...
Words are perfect for us all to think about. Shared these passages
with Catholics to show why value Cayce as Seer:
Cayce:"For the entity, as each soul, is a portion of the whole. Thus,
though a soul may be as but a speck upon the earth's environs, and the
earth in turn much less than a mote in the universe, if the spirit of
man is so attuned to the Infinite, the music of harmony becomes as the
divine love that makes for the awareness in the experience of the
Creative Forces working with self for the knowledge of the association
with same."
Almost identical quote, from Matthew Fox book on St. Hildegard:
"Through the power of hearing, God opens to human beings all the
glorious sounds of the hidden mysteries and of the choirs of angels by
whom God is praised over and over again...Indeed, here human beings
from within their own selves, come to an understanding of the whole."
Entire book working on is based on this - why love DW's musical
metaphors so much - NINA

[wubby gump]

--- viviangardens@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=KL8C-M9DiLQiuqWVyqB_F4aY4L0lrAY4PlkkeyTzACKD0o6_CgkORcY lOxLsHfFjiFPfD0fXg40xDJY2XlFJ) wrote:
D:What does it help and why does it matter, Thomas; if
my love of Earth is not a factor in ascension?

T: Apparently you mistook what I said as some sort of
"attack" on your belief system. This is absolutely NOT
the case. I was speaking of an OVERALL sense, not
SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO one thing, and one thing
only. (I DO NOT like writing in CAPS, as it implies
anger or shouting.........I SO wish we could use
ITALICS to express emphasis in these e-mails!)

D: Is not ascension merely a way to experience more
than the 5 senses, but within the same reality that we
exist in in 3D?

T: Ummmm, well............have you read TLoO lately?
Or better yet, read this one if you haven't already:
<a href="http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=27">http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=\
27</a>

D: Are we not part of the Earth, and is not Earth part
of the heavens?Can we love the universe, ourselves and
each other if we do not love the Earth?

T: Yes, this is true. In my humble opinion, being STO
is an all-encompassing lifestyle. It does not focus on
ONE thing or ONE aspect of living..............but ALL
THINGS, from the moment you wake up to the moment you
sleep (& maybe even in what we dream).........from the
first person you see & interact with to where you
throw your trash and what type of shampoo you use (is
it bio-degradeable? sic) I don't believe that there is
a SINGLE, SPECIFIC way to go about being STO when we
are talking about an infinite universe and an infinite
number of possibilities................. that is
exactly why I will never tell you that you are "wrong"
& I am "right" or vice-versa..........

D: You go on to say "These are just constructs that
make up this environment that we live in." I agree
that social group-think is an environment we live in,
but the Earth and the elemental spirits have a reality
beyond our perception of them, just as we have a
reality beyond our own perception.

T: Somebody is either taking a sociology class, or has
a degree in sociology here........and for the record,
I am not talking about "Group Think" from the
sociological perspective.

D: I propose that our mental constructs are about
controlling our environment and making it perform as
we desire. Seeking harmony, however, is a different
way of relating and is not based on construction of
mental constructs, but rather is about becoming open
to receive the love we give coming back at us. If we
cannot do this in 3D on Earth, I cannot imagine we
could do it anywhere else.

T: Ahhh..... here is the crux............. I DID
mention that you ARE the character of Neo in the first
Matrix film.......... unaware of all that is &
surrounded by illusions.......... and being able to
bend a spoon with your mind is only dependant on
realizing that "there is no spoon"...... yes, this is
true........... however, you also must realize that
you are outrageously limited in your omniscience and
omnipotence here in good 'ol 3d........... and that is
by design. 3d is called "The Choice" for one reason,
and one reason only.......... and that is polarity. I
simply ask you this....... how many lifetimes do you
think you you can live in this "mortal coil" while
learning to love Gaia & practicing it daily? How many
lifetimes do you think it takes to understand the
SCIENCE behind everything that takes place on Gaia?
How many lifetimes do you think it takes to learn the
lessons of unconditional love? I suppose I can go on &
on with this line of questioning, but then I would
just belabor my point. I am not "right" Don, & you are
not "wrong." There is no point in being at odds about
anything......... it serves no purpose in the "grand
scheme of things." You will do your thing, I will do
mine, and everyone else will do their own thing. I
would just simply wish you to be more tomorrow than
you are today, and to do everything you can to make
the world a better place to live in for everyone that
is here now & will be in the future.

I will ask you one question. After reading TLoO, and
some of DW's works, I posted a question, to which 1
person (out of almost a thousand registered in this
forum at the time) replied to me, and that was a
cryptic response in & of itself. It's taken me
countless experiences, and almost two WHOLE years to
arrive at the answer. (The "cryptic response" was
appropriate BTW) If you can get to this point, then
you will understand what it is I am trying to say &
where I am coming from with all of this............

"At what point does time/space end and space/time
begin?"

~ Thomas



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[jess9dob]

In a message dated 11/3/06 1:07:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
wubbygump@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=1P8O-_r031eYw0DybWwbDCGSXTsjSnaxWItpnbzpf6-7aiugJxhx8_58601p9wEFguZ1GF6nhKuceroMXA) writes:

> --- viviangardens@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=lDLLXSl0nB87Eior5ha-t_3GECC5N4fTA7yg_Et9F7Hkf5c50WFyqnMSY0M3TnW9LxZou9 AUZrNksSMlyoZb) wrote:
> D:What does it help and why does it matter, Thomas; if
> my love of Earth is not a factor in ascension?
>
> T: Apparently you mistook what I said as some sort of
> "attack" on your belief system.

D: Apparent to you, perhaps; but not to me. I am trying to contribute to
engagement in conversation. I try not to use language that is meant to
intimidate or otherwise discourage further discussion.

> T: .....absolutely NOT
> the case. I was speaking of an OVERALL sense, not
> SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO one thing, and one thing
> only. (I DO NOT like writing in CAPS, as it implies
> anger or shouting.........I SO wish we could use
> ITALICS to express emphasis in these e-mails!)

D: I get that the above point is important to you, but I do not understand
what you are responding to or what you mean here.
>
> D: Is not ascension merely a way to experience more
> than the 5 senses, but within the same reality that we
> exist in in 3D?
>
> T: Ummmm, well............have you read TLoO lately?
> Or better yet, read this one if you haven't already:
> http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&
> Itemid=27

D: The site you recommend is an article by David that I have not read. It
is quite lengthy, and I will read it soon. But I would rather you share your
own words or quote the section of the long article that makes the point you
wish to share.
>
> D: Are we not part of the Earth, and is not Earth part
> of the heavens?Can we love the universe, ourselves and
> each other if we do not love the Earth?
>
> T: Yes, this is true. In my humble opinion, being STO
> is an all-encompassing lifestyle. It does not focus on
> ONE thing or ONE aspect of living..............but ALL
> THINGS, from the moment you wake up to the moment you
> sleep (& maybe even in what we dream).........from the
> first person you see & interact with to where you
> throw your trash and what type of shampoo you use (is
> it bio-degradeable? sic) I don't believe that there is
> a SINGLE, SPECIFIC way to go about being STO when we
> are talking about an infinite universe and an infinite
> number of possibilities................. that is
> exactly why I will never tell you that you are "wrong"
> & I am "right" or vice-versa..........

D: If you mean to imply that I am recommending love of Earth as a '"Single"
way to go, I assure you I am not.

I also do not like conversations where I am expected to defend myself
endlessly.

>
> D: You go on to say "These are just constructs that
> make up this environment that we live in." I agree
> that social group-think is an environment we live in,
> but the Earth and the elemental spirits have a reality
> beyond our perception of them, just as we have a
> reality beyond our own perception.
>
> T: Somebody is either taking a sociology class, or has
> a degree in sociology here........and for the record,
> I am not talking about "Group Think" from the
> sociological perspective.

D: From what perspective then? What other "constructs... make up the
environment we live in" besides our consensus-reality mental constructs?

>
> D: I propose that our mental constructs are about
> controlling our environment and making it perform as
> we desire. Seeking harmony, however, is a different
> way of relating and is not based on construction of
> mental constructs, but rather is about becoming open
> to receive the love we give coming back at us. If we
> cannot do this in 3D on Earth, I cannot imagine we
> could do it anywhere else.
>
> T: Ahhh..... here is the crux............. I DID
> mention that you ARE the character of Neo in the first
> Matrix film.......... unaware of all that is &
> surrounded by illusions

D: I do not remember much from that movie. I read you saying above that I
am "unaware of all that is and surrounded by illusions." I think it would make
better communication if you would give more information behind your
conclusion.

> T:.......... and being able to
> bend a spoon with your mind is only dependant on
> realizing that "there is no spoon"......

D: I disagree. I think it is possible because of realization that the spoon
is made mostly of space between atoms, not unlike space between galaxies; and
because the substance of the spoon is already moving (on an atomic level). A
small force can move a large asteroid in space.

> ..........you also must realize that
> you are outrageously limited in your omniscience and
> omnipotence here in good 'ol 3d........... and that is
> by design. 3d is called "The Choice" for one reason,
> and one reason only.......... and that is polarity. I
> simply ask you this....... how many lifetimes do you
> think you you can live in this "mortal coil" while
> learning to love Gaia & practicing it daily? How many
> lifetimes do you think it takes to understand the
> SCIENCE behind everything that takes place on Gaia?
> How many lifetimes do you think it takes to learn the
> lessons of unconditional love? I suppose I can go on &
> on with this line of questioning, but then I would
> just belabor my point.

D: So, you acknowledge that the above 3 questions are rhetorical, meaning
they do not require answers but rather are designed to make a point.
Unfortunately, I do not get your point by pondering these questions. Perhaps
you could
simply state your point next time.

> I am not "right" Don, & you are
> not "wrong." There is no point in being at odds about
> anything......... it serves no purpose in the "grand
> scheme of things."

> D: I am here to discuss the Law of One writings. I assume we will have
differing views, which is what will make discussion possible. I do not like to
debate, as in right and wrong arguments. The word "debate" comes from the
French words meaning "to beat."

> T: You will do your thing, I will do
> mine, and everyone else will do their own thing. I
> would just simply wish you to be more tomorrow than
> you are today,

D: I have not a clue what you mean here. I wish you would express your
opinions in more detail.


> T: I will ask you one question. After reading TLoO, and
> some of DW's works, I posted a question, to which 1
> person (out of almost a thousand registered in this
> forum at the time) replied to me, and that was a
> cryptic response in & of itself. It's taken me
> countless experiences, and almost two WHOLE years to
> arrive at the answer. (The "cryptic response" was
> appropriate BTW) If you can get to this point, then
> you will understand what it is I am trying to say &
> where I am coming from with all of this............
>
> "At what point does time/space end and space/time
> begin?"

D: I will take a stab at it: neither has beginning or end.

Agape,
Don Eli

[Nina]

"At what point does time/space end and space/time
begin?" ~ Thomas
Dear Thomas,
Followed your suggestion and reread divinecosmos reading.
Immense gratitude that DW is here! Best comment can share is not fr
Ra MAterial, rather fr VIBRATIONS by Everett Irion.( Cayce book on
time,space and patience). (I have very simple brain and can only
grasp simple truths.)
Reading1554-3: "For to the entity-as to the world- patience is the
lesson that each soul must learn in its sojourn through
materiality...Tima,space and patience are in the mental realm the
same as implied by the expression"Father-God, Son and Holy Spirit"
or as Spirit,Body,Soul. they are expressions of three dimensional
thought.
And in patience then does man become more and more aware of the
continuity of life, of his soul being a portion of the
Whole;patience being the portion of man's sphere of activity in the
finite being, as time and space manifest the creative and motivative
force."
Irion adds how patience is an active force, operating in conjunction
with time and space throughout the universe which is "sought to be
known" by man. In the Bible we find the expression, "In patience
possess ye your souls." (Luke 21:19) Is it any wonder, then , that
man seeks to find the answer to time? to space? to patience?
Church shared in "Many Happy Returns" that Cayce's readings told him
that he had been Lucius of Cyrene, and that he was not told earlier
since, "if given earlier, there would have been a puffing up."The
readings confirm what biblical scholars have long suspected that it
was Lucius of Cyrene who authored the Gospel of Luke. Hope some clue
to help you with time/space, space /time, unconditonal love...NINA

[Neil Haddon]

Apropos something entirely different, wubby gump wrote:
"At what point does time/space end and space/time
begin?"

Well, Thomas, my two dollars worth ( ain't inflation terible in a bankrupt
nation?)
is it doesn't, because both exist at the same time: it's just that we chose
not to remember the latter.

Love.
Neil


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[James Stephens]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=dOx8eXNxJfoW45ESkwLYx0rsqkZwg-TA0TisbkMLT1NcnWpx-J3TD3bsrx5WZCB2dCkxhcYl70V-7TY), wubby gump <wubbygump@...> wrote:
>
> "At what point does time/space end and space/time
> begin?"
>
> ~ Thomas

Thomas I hope I'm not infringing here but I'd like to take a stab at
this query. I'm not one to research and quote things, too
intellectually lazy I guess, but from memory I remember a passage from
Q'uo or RA or DW that was discussing the topic of afterlife
experience. The inferance gleaned from it was that space/time ends
with the release of the physical body and time/space begins wherein we
examine our experiences and judge ourselves in order to plan our next
incarnation or ascension. Conversly, it would mean that space/time
would begin at the exact moment of involution to a physical body
again, which takes place usually at the beginning of the second
trimester. It appears to me that the point for your query may related
to the question of abortion and making a personal decision regarding
it's ethics. Is this correct?

[Jenifer]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=PQk84ShF8W1lzP2_BSKB8qLF36Gf8GwSo378a0 NrdH5XtEk8AfZMFKymd0UEv5GgEorsHUErLZvJ1qE), wubby gump <wubbygump@...> wrote:

<snip>

> I will ask you one question. After reading TLoO, and
> some of DW's works, I posted a question, to which 1
> person (out of almost a thousand registered in this
> forum at the time) replied to me, and that was a
> cryptic response in & of itself. It's taken me
> countless experiences, and almost two WHOLE years to
> arrive at the answer. (The "cryptic response" was
> appropriate BTW) If you can get to this point, then
> you will understand what it is I am trying to say &
> where I am coming from with all of this............
>
> "At what point does time/space end and space/time
> begin?"

Well, here's what came to me: when you "grok" that space and time are
in you, and not you in them.

But, would be interested in what you arrived at...

Jen


>
> ~ Thomas
>
>
>
>
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