The "Harmonic Scale"

[Ron Erickson]

I would like to draw your attention to an excerpt from Ra-section3.htm
(http://www.ascension2000.com/Ra-section3.htm):

"B. DEFINITION OF "DENSITY:" SIMILAR TO SOUND AND LIGHT VIBRATION

RA: The term density is a, what you call, mathematical one.

The closest analogy is that of music, whereby after seven notes on your western
type of scale, if you will, the eighth note begins a new octave.
Within your great octave of experience which we share with you, there are seven
octaves or densities. Within each density there are seven sub-densities. Within
each sub-density, there are seven sub-sub-densities. Within each
sub-sub-density, seven sub-sub-sub-densities and so on infinitely. (B1, 157-158)

[Note: Even though this material came several years before the widespread
knowledge of chaos theory and fractals, what Ra is describing is precisely a
fractal-based, harmonic universe.]"

This caught my attention, because I have personal interests in sound, light,
music and philosophy, and I have been composing music since 1974. In 1977, I
invented a musical tuning system called the "Harmonic Scale". As far a I know,
I am the only composer in the world to have made use of this tuning system. I
believe that it is relevant here because it is not merely "the closest analogy"
to the concept of vibrational density, but rather an excellent (and perhaps even
perfect) analogy for the concept of density. Unlike the seven-step diatonic,
tempered scale referred to in the above quote, the 8-level Harmonic scale has
precisely 8 levels per octave and is based precisely on the harmonic series -
without temperament. I developed this tuning not specifically for (audio)
music, but rather for "audiovisual music". At that time I had been using analog
music synthesizers to generate oscillographic images and these were tuned to
western 12-tone equal temperament. I was finding that the "beats" thus produced
were distracting and worked against my artistic objective - to create a true
visual music analog for audio music so that they can be combined to produce
pleasing, or at least, analogous results.

I left this project for some 15 years while I worked on other things, but I got
back into it around 1995, when I started developing Oscillon - a visual music
synthesis program. Oscillon is probably the only software of its kind in the
world, and it gave me the incentive to finish my degree in Fine Art - majoring
in "Integrated Media". Incidentally, I am currently completing my science
degree: "Specialist in Philosophy and Physics".

Anyway, something rather interesting came out of my work with the Harmonic Scale
and Oscillon that I believe should be especially relevant to this forum for its
philosophical implications. I made a composition using only pitched sounds
(sine waves without overtones) tuned to my Harmonic scale. In other words, the
tones were simple sine waves with amplitude envelopes. Curiously, the notes
sometimes merged into the whole and so it became a musical composition that
transitioned from separateness to wholeness as a single complex sound. Those of
you who know something about acoustics will be familiar with the Fourier
transformation - which shows that any sound (even non-pitched sounds and noise)
can be analyzed and also synthesized as a combination of sine waves of different
amplitudes and frequencies. We don't perceive these sine waves as separate -
but rather as fused into one or more complex sound entities. For example, a
single piano note has a moderately complex harmonic envelope - but we perceive
it as a single musical event / entity. Tonal music is based on the
relationships of pitched sounds - both horizontally (melodically) and vertically
(harmonically). Western equal temperament keeps only the octave precisely in
tune. Note that "octave" is a misnomer here - because there are actually 12
steps per octave (2^[1/12]), or 7 steps if we are considering the diatonic sets
- which are derived and therefore not as fundamental. When equal temperament
was invented, that notes are slightly "out of tune" was seen as an aesthetic
advantage - because the notes are therefore perceived as separate musical
entities. Separateness was valued because music could be notated objectively
through a score. If the pitches had precise harmonic relationships, then they
could merge into single composite sounds - and this was not desired for the
aesthetic reason that separateness should be maintained. What I am proposing
with my Harmonic scale is that separateness or union are options available to
the composer - rather than separateness being a given - imposed by the
instrument builder. With my Harmonic scale, I can make a tonal composition that
consists of a multitude of separate "sounds" or an eletroacoustic composition
consisting of a single complex sound that slowly changes over time. Indeed, the
distinction between these may be subtle - as in some of my own musical works.
My 8-level Harmonic scale is not just 8 pitches per octave, but rather an 8 x 8
matrix of pitches - such that a harmonic series is superpositioned upon each
scale degree - resulting in 33 notes per octave - due to enharmonic
equivalences. Then there are the 12-step and 16-step Hamonic scales, which
extend this further. Those of you have been following me this far might realize
that I am not just discussing musical acoustics here - I am also discussing
philosophy, human values and The Law of One with respect to 3D separateness
versus 4D-8D convergence toward Oneness. Also consider this: a single pitched
sound is composed of sine waves with harmonic pitch ratios, and when such sounds
are combined - horizontally and/or vertically - through transposition and
combination, what results is a fractal-based composition.

I have been making these postings (about the Harmonic Scale and Oscillon) for
years but I don't know if anyone beside myself fully appreciates why this is
significant. For example, on August 14, 2004 I posted a message to this forum
called "Ron's Harmonic Scale". I got a response from someone who described it
as "fascinating" - but thought I was only discussing a mathematical art form. I
am not claiming that this work is especially complex - it only requires
elementary mathematics. I mentioned the harmonic scale to my calculus
professor, but he didn't find it especially interesting, and a friend of mine
who teaches piano (and music theory) didn't seem to appreciate the relevance of
musical acoustics to the music that he is involved with.

It seems that in this world there are followers who seek a path and a leader to
direct them of this path. Some are implicitly followers - because they don't
seem to seek anything - they apparently just live and die. Then there are the
true rouges that want to do everything their own way - on their own terms and
resist all forms of authority and teaching. Then there are folks like me who
are lifetime learners and very creative. We stand upon the shoulders of the
great people that came before us, but we are not followers and can't be squeezed
into any prescribed conceptual box. We don't resist what others say as a matter
of policy, but look for immediate resonance of ideas in our own life.

Ron

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[* Zia]

This caught my attention, because I have personal interests in sound, light,
music and philosophy, and I have been composing music since 1974. In 1977,
I invented a musical tuning system called the "Harmonic Scale". As far a I
know, I am the only composer in the world to have made use of this tuning
system. I believe that it is relevant here because it is not merely "the
closest analogy" to the concept of vibrational density, but rather an
excellent (and perhaps even perfect) analogy for the concept of density.
Unlike the seven-step diatonic, tempered scale referred to in the above
quote, the 8-level Harmonic scale has precisely 8 levels per octave and is
based precisely on the harmonic series - without temperament. I developed
this tuning not specifically for (audio) music, but rather for "audiovisual
music". At that time I had been using analog music synthesizers to generate
oscillographic images and these were tuned to western 12-tone equal
temperament. I was finding that the "beats" thus produced were distracting
and worked against my artistic objective - to create a true visual music
analog for audio music so that they can be combined to produce pleasing, or
at least, analogous results.

HI Ron :) Very interesting what you speak of here, not that I am an indepth
musical genius :) I am curious what you use as the base standard A = 440
or A = 421? (is that the true A?) The other thing that captivates my
interest is frequencies. Many years ago experiencing different beings
channelling (some through me using mental telepathy) and many through
others, one interesting factor occurred often with some of these entitiies;
they would share a specific frequency with us. This was not of course
audible. We could often include certain frequencies into the making of
music (not that I did that, others did it and I have been able to have a
copy :) Also RA himself defined that he communicated through a very fine,
narrow (?) frequency. To me the cosmic soup is all frequency and obviously
frequency does have sound, and we hear it if stepped down to our audible
range.

*Also wonder if you have come across Eldon Taylor and his InnerTalk patented
whole brain technology, subliminals using the whole brain to reprogram our
past belief systems into how we would rather think today. www.innertalk.com
just thought you might find this of interest :)

Ron: I left this project for some 15 years while I worked on other things,
but I got back into it around 1995, when I started developing Oscillon - a
visual music synthesis program. Oscillon is probably the only software of
its kind in the world, and it gave me the incentive to finish my degree in
Fine Art - majoring in "Integrated Media". Incidentally, I am currently
completing my science degree: "Specialist in Philosophy and Physics".

*Best wishes for great success in your endeavor :) As I understand it we
each individually have a UNIQUE frequency, and thus a unique tone. Also our
names resonate to specific frequencies, and thus can be displayed in color
:) The rest of what you shared I hope will reach David when he returns to
availability, for I feel he is much more in attunement with what you are
saying, being musically savvy :)


Ron: It seems that in this world there are followers who seek a path and a
leader to direct them of this path. Some are implicitly followers - because
they don't seem to seek anything - they apparently just live and die. Then
there are the true rouges that want to do everything their own way - on
their own terms and resist all forms of authority and teaching. Then there
are folks like me who are lifetime learners and very creative. We stand
upon the shoulders of the great people that came before us, but we are not
followers and can't be squeezed into any prescribed conceptual box. We
don't resist what others say as a matter of policy, but look for immediate
resonance of ideas in our own life.

*The challenge in 3d is to awaken to who and what you are. Even those that
come in awake, often must go through a re-membering process that is often
set out in specific time frames and within specific events for full
awakening. I take it when you say lifetime learners, that you are learning
from someone, whether it is a book, a movie, a specific teacher, or life in
all its brilliance. To me, what you are expressing is the 'creative' aspect
of God. Being creative is aligning with the Mind of God to me, and
unfolding what you have 'created to do' (written in the soul) before coming
into this life, for this life journey. If you happen to engage this easily,
then you are one of the 'lucky ones' you might say, for it is very easy to
lose sight of the ultimate goal.

*A truly great mind is often hungry for MORE IDEAS, for the ability to share
those ideas, testing out concepts and potentials prior to creating them into
actuality. That is what I see on this forum, very creative minds, from many
walks of life, and perhaps simply reviewing the Creator's overlay of life
potentials in this specific corner of the universe :) In having FREE WILL,
we virtually can do as we like, still be utterly loved, and continue in any
and every endeavor until we are ready to move on to greater adventures
beyond 3d as I see it. Life goes on for an eternity so there really is no
rush :) Then we will be exploring, because we are adventurers in my humble
opinion, and will discover (which is always fun because everything is hidden
and its like a treasure hunt) the appropriate information to apply into our
lives that we move into a greater reality of experiences :) As we develop
inner receptivity, the outer tends to no longer draw our attention, whether
for creative endeavors unfolding in the outer world, fame or fortune,
etc.... we have found the greatest treasure within SELF... and that is
Love/Light Light/Love and evolving into that by greater and greater degrees
of acceptance :) Loving the adventure called LIFE :) Z

Ron

[

[Ron Erickson]

Zia: I am curious what you use as the base standard A = 440 or A = 421? (is that
the true A?)

Ron: The tuning system (itself) is essentially relative - so it can be
transposed by any offset. In my music workstation I have tuned each of the 12
keys/steps to harmonic ratios, and kept A440 as a reference. I could just as
easily used another reference, however. When using a scale that is other than
logarithmically equal ratios (2 ^ 1/12), the difficulty is that you can only
play in a single "mode" at a time. The ratios for a single octave of a single
mode of the 12-step harmonic scale are (1, 13/12, 7/6, 5/4, 4/3, 17/12, 3/2,
19/12, 5/3, 7/4, 11/6, 23/12), which get increasingly small logarithmically.
The other modes are accessed through MIDI channels which are pitch offset
according to these 12 steps to form a logical 12 x 12 matrix.

Zia: We could often include certain frequencies into the making of music (not
that I did that, others did it and I have been able to have a copy :) Also RA
himself defined that he communicated through a very fine, narrow (?) frequency.
To me the cosmic soup is all frequency and obviously frequency does have sound,
and we hear it if stepped down to our audible range.

Ron: I imagine that the universe is filled with music - and most of it we can't
perceive. Everything from cosmic rays to neutrinos to "quantum foam" is a dance
of energy, and perhaps "empty space" seems more like a cacophony of sound to
ascended beings.

Zia: Also wonder if you have come across [specific advertizer..snipped](of)
patented whole brain technology, subliminals using the whole brain to reprogram
our past belief systems into how we would rather think today. [moderator note:
contact Zia for url if interested]just thought you might find this of interest
:)

Ron: I don't believe that I have seen this, but I will check it out when I get a
chance.

Zia: Best wishes for great success in your endeavor :) As I understand it we
each individually have a UNIQUE frequency, and thus a unique tone. Also our
names resonate to specific frequencies, and thus can be displayed in color :)

Ron: Thank you very much.

Zia: I take it when you say lifetime learners, that you are learning from
someone, whether it is a book, a movie, a specific teacher, or life in
all its brilliance. To me, what you are expressing is the 'creative' aspect of
God.

Ron: You seem like a fresh and youthful spirit - and please pardon me for
shortening your writing.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[bob_dunham]

I write:::

So now who invented this scale? Ron or Zia? This post talks about
Ron halfway down and I cant make heads or tails about what is being
quoted from someone else's post. Maybe putting the old
_____________________________________
Or how bout this one
**************************************
Im just struggling to get through some of these posts lately where
poeple are quoting dead text. I think its taking years off my life.

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--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=o3kmbM46m-LOY8uIDV4xHKRAPWCqiU9183lyGleh-ZUxgvJvbEp0xThJ1UVUeyEwbtORMVpzpKDeXwAfKyvq), "* Zia" <zia_19@h...> wrote:
>
> This caught my attention, because I have personal interests in
sound, light,
> music and philosophy, and I have been composing music since 1974.
In 1977,
> I invented a musical tuning system called the "Harmonic Scale". As
far a I
> know, I am the only composer in the world to have made use of this
tuning
> system. I believe that it is relevant here because it is not
merely "the
> closest analogy" to the concept of vibrational density, but rather
an
> excellent (and perhaps even perfect) analogy for the concept of
density.
> Unlike the seven-step diatonic, tempered scale referred to in the
above
> quote, the 8-level Harmonic scale has precisely 8 levels per octave
and is
> based precisely on the harmonic series - without temperament. I
developed
> this tuning not specifically for (audio) music, but rather
for "audiovisual
> music". At that time I had been using analog music synthesizers to
generate
> oscillographic images and these were tuned to western 12-tone equal
> temperament. I was finding that the "beats" thus produced were
distracting
> and worked against my artistic objective - to create a true visual
music
> analog for audio music so that they can be combined to produce
pleasing, or
> at least, analogous results.
>
> HI Ron :) Very interesting what you speak of here, not that I am
an indepth
> musical genius :) I am curious what you use as the base standard
A = 440
> or A = 421? (is that the true A?) The other thing that captivates
my
> interest is frequencies. Many years ago experiencing different
beings
> channelling (some through me using mental telepathy) and many
through
> others, one interesting factor occurred often with some of these
entitiies;
> they would share a specific frequency with us. This was not of
course
> audible. We could often include certain frequencies into the
making of
> music (not that I did that, others did it and I have been able to
have a
> copy :) Also RA himself defined that he communicated through a
very fine,
> narrow (?) frequency. To me the cosmic soup is all frequency and
obviously
> frequency does have sound, and we hear it if stepped down to our
audible
> range.
>

[* Zia]

Ron: The tuning system (itself) is essentially relative - so it can be
transposed by any offset. In my music workstation I have tuned each of the
12 keys/steps to harmonic ratios, and kept A440 as a reference. snipped....

HI Ron :) yes it IS a mathematical/musical universe :) Just for your
information the note the closest to C=440 (my error, not A!) would be Bflat,
not quite righ-on the perfect frequency, but closest. My friends used to
say in the computer programming world, 'that I was not worth a crumpet after
6 pm'... as the thought processes often chose to cease, and the euphoria of
relaxation took over :)


Ron: I imagine that the universe is filled with music - and most of it we
can't perceive. Everything from cosmic rays to neutrinos to "quantum foam"
is a dance of energy, and perhaps "empty space" seems more like a cacophony
of sound to ascended beings.

*Ah yes, the music of the spheres.... and ours sounding like a cry of pain
:) As we awaken and start dancing we have the opportunity for a full range
of music across all time and space :) Z

[Ron Erickson]

Ron: Bob - I think I can clear this up for you in a few minutes - and save you
some precious years :).

Ron: This caught my attention, because I have personal interests in sound,
light, music and philosophy, and I have been composing music since 1974. In
1977, I invented a musical tuning system called the "Harmonic Scale". As far a
I know, I am the only composer in the world to have made use of this tuning
system. I believe that it is relevant here because it is not merely "the
closest analogy" to the concept of vibrational density, but rather an excellent
(and perhaps even perfect) analogy for the concept of density. Unlike the
seven-step diatonic, tempered scale referred to in the above quote, the 8-level
Harmonic scale has precisely 8 levels per octave and is based precisely on the
harmonic series - without temperament. I developed this tuning not specifically
for (audio) music, but rather for "audiovisual music". At that time I had been
using analog music synthesizers to generate oscillographic images and these were
tuned to western 12-tone equal temperament. I was finding that the "beats" thus
produced were distracting and worked against my artistic objective - to create a
true visual music
analog for audio music so that they can be combined to produce pleasing, or at
least, analogous results.

Zia: HI Ron :) Very interesting what you speak of here, not that I am an
indepth musical genius :) I am curious what you use as the base standard A =
440
or A = 421? (is that the true A?) The other thing that captivates my interest
is frequencies. Many years ago experiencing different beings channelling (some
through me using mental telepathy) and many through others, one interesting
factor occurred often with some of these entitiies; they would share a specific
frequency with us. This was not of course audible. We could often include
certain frequencies into the making of music (not that I did that, others did it
and I have been able to have a copy :) Also RA himself defined that he
communicated through a very fine, narrow (?) frequency. To me the cosmic soup
is all frequency and obviously frequency does have sound, and we hear it if
stepped down to our audible range. Also wonder if you have come across
[specific advertizer..snipped](of)patented whole brain technology, subliminals
using the whole brain to reprogram our past belief systems into how we would
rather think today. [moderator note: contact Zia for url if interested]just
thought you might find this of interest :)

Ron: I left this project for some 15 years while I worked on other things, but I
got back into it around 1995, when I started developing Oscillon - a visual
music synthesis program. Oscillon is probably the only software of its kind in
the world, and it gave me the incentive to finish my degree in Fine Art -
majoring in "Integrated Media". Incidentally, I am currently completing my
science degree: "Specialist in Philosophy and Physics".

Zia: Best wishes for great success in your endeavor :) As I understand it we
each individually have a UNIQUE frequency, and thus a unique tone. Also our
names resonate to specific frequencies, and thus can be displayed in color :)
The rest of what you shared I hope will reach David when he returns to
availability, for I feel he is much more in attunement with what you are saying,
being musically savvy :)

Ron: It seems that in this world there are followers who seek a path and a
leader to direct them of this path. Some are implicitly followers - because
they don't seem to seek anything - they apparently just live and die. Then
there are the true rouges that want to do everything their own way - on
their own terms and resist all forms of authority and teaching. Then there are
folks like me who are lifetime learners and very creative. We stand
upon the shoulders of the great people that came before us, but we are not
followers and can't be squeezed into any prescribed conceptual box. We
don't resist what others say as a matter of policy, but look for immediate
resonance of ideas in our own life.

Zia: The challenge in 3d is to awaken to who and what you are. Even those that
come in awake, often must go through a re-membering process that is often
set out in specific time frames and within specific events for full awakening.
I take it when you say lifetime learners, that you are learning from someone,
whether it is a book, a movie, a specific teacher, or life in all its
brilliance. To me, what you are expressing is the 'creative' aspect of God.
Being creative is aligning with the Mind of God to me, and unfolding what you
have 'created to do' (written in the soul) before coming into this life, for
this life journey. If you happen to engage this easily, then you are one of the
'lucky ones' you might say, for it is very easy to lose sight of the ultimate
goal. A truly great mind is often hungry for MORE IDEAS, for the ability to
share those ideas, testing out concepts and potentials prior to creating them
into actuality. That is what I see on this forum, very creative minds, from
many walks of life, and perhaps simply reviewing the Creator's overlay of life
potentials in this specific corner of the universe :) In having FREE WILL, we
virtually can do as we like, still be utterly loved, and continue in any and
every endeavor until we are ready to move on to greater adventures beyond 3d as
I see it. Life goes on for an eternity so there really is no rush :) Then we
will be exploring, because we are adventurers in my humble
opinion, and will discover (which is always fun because everything is hidden and
its like a treasure hunt) the appropriate information to apply into our lives
that we move into a greater reality of experiences :) As we develop inner
receptivity, the outer tends to no longer draw our attention, whether for
creative endeavors unfolding in the outer world, fame or fortune, etc.... we
have found the greatest treasure within SELF... and that is Love/Light
Light/Love and evolving into that by greater and greater degrees of acceptance
:) Loving the adventure called LIFE :) Z


----- Original Message -----
From: bob_dunham
To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=08hsZAaHpqlxGjljZYqk-U8w7PBPmnvHa8ssfjIf7c5-WR72up5xdRGrkGFoNnItWieiBUhzYKYd13hmZps)
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: [asc2k] Re: The "Harmonic Scale"


I write:::

So now who invented this scale? Ron or Zia? This post talks about
Ron halfway down and I cant make heads or tails about what is being
quoted from someone else's post. Maybe putting the old
_____________________________________
Or how bout this one
**************************************
Im just struggling to get through some of these posts lately where
poeple are quoting dead text. I think its taking years off my life.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ron Erickson]

Ron: Pardon me if I am being a stickler for mathematical accuracy, but the
standard western 12-tone equal-tempered tuning system is based on A : 440 Hz.
(not C : 440 Hz.). As such, "middle C" is 261.63 Hz. (rounded to 2 decimal
places) and the next C (above "middle C") is 523.25 Hz. B flat (one whole note
below) is 466.16 Hz. I think what is important to consider here is not the
absolute pitches of any tuning system, but rather how the pitches are organized
in relative terms, and how these pitches might been arranged in a composition so
as to have musical meaning - that is, to construct musical context. The most
basic fact about the psycho-acoustics of tonal musical structure is that of
relative pitch ratios. Note that "tonal" in this context does not refer to the
"tone" of the sound, but rather the horizontal (melody) and vertical (harmony)
pitch relationships. Non-fretted string instruments and vocalists almost always
use "just intonation" - which essentially just means "in tune". You might then
ask: In tune to what? The answer: the simplest harmonic ratios possible - which
is the Harmonic Scale. I, of course, did not invent just intonation, but just
tunings presented a practical difficulty for the construction of fixed-pitch
keyboard instruments - which is why equal-temperament was invented during the
european renaissance. It was a practical compromise - to allow for unlimited
"key modulation". If you don't know about the theory and art of musical harmony
and modal development (as in "the eclesiastical modes"), then check out some of
the numerous books and webs sites devoted to these subjects. A true classic
reference text that deal with the technical aspects of music theory is "On the
Sensations of Tone" by Hermann Helmholtz (German edition 1877, published in
English by Dover in 1954). Another relevant text is "Tone - A Study in Musical
Acoustics" by Siegmund Levarie and Ernst Levy. It was published in 1968, but I
believe it is now out of print. Although temperament was a solution to a
technical problem involving fixed pitch keyboard instruments, current music
technology no longer has such technical constraints. Still, most people
consider temperament to be more than just a standard - indeed, most people
believe it is the only way to make tonal music, and don't relalize that it is,
in some respects, technically obsolete. Incidentally, I drafted a patent
application for my Harmonic scale this past year - which is why I did a lot of
technical research on this subject.
----- Original Message -----
From: * Zia
To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=KROIRIvEGl3rUzdBua1UkSLdVhFn6hOg802EM4 0bflyCUzPvBmuuuM0JG_D5qxPtP6LJpSHmYnfseLA)
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [asc2k] The "Harmonic Scale"


Ron: The tuning system (itself) is essentially relative - so it can be
transposed by any offset. In my music workstation I have tuned each of the
12 keys/steps to harmonic ratios, and kept A440 as a reference. snipped....

HI Ron :) yes it IS a mathematical/musical universe :) Just for your
information the note the closest to C=440 (my error, not A!) would be Bflat,
not quite righ-on the perfect frequency, but closest. My friends used to
say in the computer programming world, 'that I was not worth a crumpet after
6 pm'... as the thought processes often chose to cease, and the euphoria of
relaxation took over :)


Ron: I imagine that the universe is filled with music - and most of it we
can't perceive. Everything from cosmic rays to neutrinos to "quantum foam"
is a dance of energy, and perhaps "empty space" seems more like a cacophony
of sound to ascended beings.

*Ah yes, the music of the spheres.... and ours sounding like a cry of pain
:) As we awaken and start dancing we have the opportunity for a full range
of music across all time and space :) Z

[* Zia]

BOB: I write:::

So now who invented this scale? Ron or Zia? This post talks about
Ron halfway down and I cant make heads or tails about what is being
quoted from someone else's post. Maybe putting the old
_____________________________________
Or how bout this one
**************************************
Im just struggling to get through some of these posts lately where
poeple are quoting dead text. I think its taking years off my life.


Z: OH oh Bob, please forgive me... in the name of 'time' I usually put a
quote from the person writing the original email, followed by my greeting
them, and then respond to that above quote.... ahhh not wise to cause such
confusion. I will do better, and hopefully restore youth and vitality in
you :) Thanks for bringing to my attention. It looks very clear when I see
the email on 'my screen' however with all the > in the email and all over
the place when I see what YOU are looking at, it looks QUITE different in
the final outcome you received! The first paragraph was Ron and when I said
HI Ron, it was then me speaking. :) Z

[bob_dunham]

Thanks guys, I feel younger already. I am enjoying reading all of the messages
by the way.
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--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=Yf1vWBiPxHJDN9xXPlOAbyLjssCM1oRLEJmQdi XrFF9sCs8ToxnkHeFTAJXxijyw-P5Y2RKdyKIONd_sTrY), "* Zia" <zia_19@h...> wrote:
> Z: OH oh Bob, please forgive me... in the name of 'time' I usually put a
> quote from the person writing the original email, followed by my greeting
> them, and then respond to that above quote.... ahhh not wise to cause such
> confusion. I will do better, and hopefully restore youth and vitality in
> you :) Thanks for bringing to my attention. It looks very clear when I see
> the email on 'my screen' however with all the > in the email and all over
> the place when I see what YOU are looking at, it looks QUITE different in
> the final outcome you received! The first paragraph was Ron and when I said
> HI Ron, it was then me speaking. :) Z
>