for those who are interested

[sirbiotech]

i found a backup of the original osho site. they used to offer a ton
of his talks for free until last year when they turned the site into
some subscription deal. osho would be sad. anyways, just found the
original talks and thought others may find of interest. i know i
have.

jason

osho talks

http://www.barnett.sk/software/sos/osho/osho-talks/titles.htm

my favorite..the one that made it all so clear...

the root problem of all problems
-------------------------------------

the song continues:

if one sees naught when staring into space; if with the mind one then
observes the mind, one destroys distinctions and reaches buddhahood.
the clouds that wander through the sky have no roots, no home; nor do
the distinctive thoughts floating through the mind. once the self-
mind is seen, discrimination stops.

in space shapes and colors form, but neither by black nor white is
space tinged. from the self-mind all things emerge, the mind by
virtues and by vices is not stained.

-------------

the root problem of all problems is mind itself. the first thing to
be understood is what this mind is, of what stuff it is made; whether
it is an entity or just a process; whether it is substantial, or just
dreamlike. and unless you know the nature of the mind, you will not
be able to solve any problems of your life.

you may try hard, but if you try to solve single, individual
problems, you are bound to be a failure -- that is absolutely
certain -- because in fact no individual problem exists: mind is the
problem. if you solve this problem or that, it won't help because the
root remains untouched.

it is just like cutting branches of a tree, pruning the leaves, and
not uprooting it. new leaves will come, new branches will sprout --
even more than before; pruning helps a tree to become thicker. unless
you know how to uproot it, your fight is baseless, it is foolish. you
will destroy yourself, not the tree.

in fighting you will waste your energy, time, life, and the tree will
go on becoming more and more strong, far thicker and dense. and you
will be surprised what is happening: you are doing so much hard work,
trying to solve this problem and that, and they go on growing,
increasing. even if one problem is solved, suddenly ten problems take
its place.

don't try to solve individual, single problems -- there are none:
mind itself is the problem. but mind is hidden underground; that's
why i call it the root, it is not apparent. whenever you come across
a problem the problem is above ground, you can see it -- that's why
you are deceived by it.

always remember, the visible is never the root; the root always
remains invisible, the root is always hidden. never fight with the
visible; otherwise you will fight with shadows. you may waste
yourself, but there cannot be any transformation in your life, the
same problems will crop up again and again and again. you can observe
your own life and you will see what i mean. i am not talking about
any theory about the mind, just the "facticity" of it. this is the
fact: mind has to be solved.

people come to me and they ask: "how to attain a peaceful mind?" i
say to them: "there exists nothing like that: a peaceful mind. never
heard of it."

mind is never peaceful -- no-mind is peace. mind itself can never be
peaceful, silent. the very nature of the mind is to be tense, to be
in confusion. mind can never be clear, it cannot have clarity,
because mind is by nature confusion, cloudiness. clarity is possible
without mind, peace is possible without mind, silence is possible
without mind -- so never try to attain a silent mind. if you do, from
the very beginning you are moving in an impossible dimension.

so the first thing is to understand the nature of the mind, only then
can something be done.

if you watch, you will never come across any entity like mind. it is
not a thing, it is just a process; it is not a thing, it is like a
crowd. individual thoughts exist, but they move so fast that you
cannot see the gaps in between. the intervals cannot be seen because
you are not very aware and alert, you need a deeper insight. when
your eyes can look deep, you will suddenly see one thought, another
thought, another thought -- but no mind.

thoughts together, millions of thoughts, give you the illusion as if
mind exists. it is just like a crowd, millions of people standing in
a crowd: is there anything like a crowd? can you find the crowd other
than the individuals standing there? but they are standing together,
their togetherness gives you the feeling as if something like a crowd
exists -- only individuals exist.

this is the first insight into the mind. watch, and you will find
thoughts; you will never come across the mind. and if it becomes your
own experience -- not because i say it, not because tilopa sings
about it, no, that won't be of much help -- if it becomes your
experience, if it becomes a fact of your own knowing, then suddenly
many things start changing. because you have understood such a deep
thing about mind, then many things can follow.

watch the mind and see where it is, what it is. you will feel
thoughts floating and there will be intervals. and if you watch long,
you will see that intervals are more than the thoughts, because each
thought has to be separate from another thought; in fact, each word
has to be separate from another word. the deeper you go, you will
find more and more gaps, bigger and bigger gaps. a thought floats,
then comes a gap where no thought exists; then another thought comes,
another gap follows.

if you are unconscious you cannot see the gaps; you jump from one
thought to another, you never see the gap. if you become aware you
will see more and more gaps.

if you become perfectly aware, then miles of gaps will be revealed to
you.

and in those gaps, satoris happen. in those gaps the truth knocks at
your door. in those gaps, the guest comes. in those gaps god is
realized, or whatsoever way you like to express it. and when
awareness is absolute, then there is only a vast gap of nothingness.

it is just like clouds: clouds move. they can be so thick that you
cannot see the sky hidden behind them. the vast blueness of the sky
is lost, you are covered with clouds. then you go on watching: one
cloud moves and another has not come into the vision yet -- and
suddenly a peek into the blueness of the vast sky.

the same happens inside: you are the vast blueness of the sky, and
thoughts are just like clouds hovering around you, filling you. but
the gaps exist, the sky exists. to have a glimpse of the sky is
satori, and to become the sky is samadhi. from satori to samadhi, the
whole process is a deep insight into the mind, nothing else.

mind doesn't exist as an entity -- the is the first thing. only
thoughts exist.

the second thing: the thoughts exist separate from you, they are not
one with your nature, they come and go -- you remain, you persist.
you are like the sky: it never comes, it never goes, it is always
there. clouds come and go, they are momentary phenomena, they are not
eternal. even if you try to cling to a thought, you cannot retain it
for long; it has to go, it has its own birth and death. thoughts are
not yours, they don't belong to you. they come as visitors, guests,
but they are not the host.

watch deeply, then you will become the host and thoughts will be the
guests. and as guests they are beautiful, but if you forget
completely that you are the host and they become the hosts, then you
are in a mess. this is what hell is. you are the master of the house,
the house belongs to you, and guests have become the masters. receive
them, take care of them, but don't get identified with them;
otherwise, they will become the masters.

the mind becomes the problem because you have taken thoughts so
deeply inside you that you have forgotten completely the distance;
that they are visitors, they come and go. always remember that which
abides: that is your nature, your tao. always be attentive to that
which never comes and never goes, just like the sky. change the
gestalt: don't be focused on the visitors, remain rooted in the host;
the visitors will come and go.

of course, there are bad visitors and good visitors, but you need not
be worried about them. a good host treats all the guests in the same
way, without making any distinctions. a good host is just a good
host: a bad thought comes and he treats the bad thought also in the
same way as he treats a good thought. it is not his concern that the
thought is good or bad.

because once you make the distinction that this thought is good and
that thought is bad, what are you doing? you are bringing the good
thought nearer to yourself and pushing the bad thought further away.
sooner or later, with the good thought you will get identified; the
good thought will become the host. and any thought when it becomes
the host creates misery -- because this is not the truth. the thought
is a pretender and you get identified with it. identification is the
disease.

gurdjieff used to say that only one thing is needed: not to be
identified with that which comes and goes. the morning comes, the
noon comes, the evening comes, and they go; the night comes and again
the morning. you abide: not as you, because that too is a thought --
as pure consciousness; not your name, because that too is a thought;
not your form, because that too is a thought; not your body, because
one day you will realize that too is a thought. just pure
consciousness, with no name, no form; just the purity, just the
formlessness and namelessness, just the very phenomenon of being
aware -- only that abides.

if you get identified, you become the mind. if you get identified,
you become the body. if you get identified, you become the name and
the form -- what hindus call nama, rupa, name and form -- then the
host is lost. then you forget the eternal and the momentary becomes
significant. the momentary is the world; the eternal is divine.

this is the second insight to be attained, that you are the host and
thoughts are guests.

the third thing, if you go on watching, will be realized soon. the
third thing is that thoughts are foreign, intruders, outsiders. no
thought is yours. they always come from without, you are just a
passage. a bird comes into the house from one door, and flies out
from another: just like that a thought comes into you and goes out of
you.

you go on thinking that thoughts are yours. not only that, you fight
for your thoughts, you say: "this is my thought, this is true." you
discuss, you debate, you argue about it, you try to prove that: "this
is my thought." no thought is yours, no thought is original -- all
thoughts are borrowed. and not secondhand, because millions of people
have claimed those same thoughts before you. thought is just as
outside as a thing.

somewhere, the great physicist, eddington, has said that the deeper
science goes into matter, the more it becomes a realization that
things are thoughts. that may be so, i am not a physicist, but from
the other end i would like to tell you that eddington may be true
that things look more and more like thoughts if you go deeper; if you
go deeper into yourself, thoughts will look more and more like things.

---------

when buddha attained to the ultimate, the utterly ultimate
enlightenment, he was asked: "what have you attained?" and he laughed
and said: "nothing -- because whatsoever i have attained was already
there inside me. it is not something new that i have achieved. it has
always been there from eternity, it is my very nature. but i was not
mindful about it, i was not aware of it. the treasure was always
there, but i had forgotten about it."

you have forgotten, that's all -- that is your ignorance. between a
buddha and you there is no distinction as far as your nature is
concerned, but only one distinction, and that distinction is that you
don't remember who you are -- and he remembers. you are the same, but
he remembers and you don't remember. he is awake, you are fast
asleep, but your nature is the same.



http://www.barnett.sk/software/sos/osho/osho-talks/suprem02.htm

[Jeremy Weiland]

hey jason,

thanks for the link, but who is this guy? i've never
heard of him; is he a channeler or just a teacher or
what? i was reading his "beyond communism and
democracy" and he really doesn't like jewish people,
does he?

strange, since his basic message i find really wise,
but he bogs himself down with this petty antisemetic
bs. can you give me a background on this guy?

thanks,

jeremy

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[sirbiotech]

jeremy..

i think osho is a being that takes a while to "get". basically i
won't take the position of defending anything he says, because he
himself says it best but he says thing to intentionally provoke or
upset people to get them to see how their mind is attatched to ideas
or certain patterns..to get you out of your mind! he isnt
antisemetic, he "disses" germans, the pope, ronald reagan, all of
humanity...nothing is off topic, because he never censors himself. it
flows and once you get past the words you can feel his silence, his
being, and laugh at his poking fun at us all. i don't know what you
refer to when you say antisemetic, because you did not provide a
context, a quote, but i doubt it's relevant once you read his own
words on his "talks". i have read much of his work and never felt
that was a label that was ever appropriate. i wouldn't let one
comment or talk define his character. i think that's too limiting for
someone as expansive as osho.

his book on the occult (in search of the miraculous : chakras,
kundalini & the seven bodies) is in my opinion the benchmark for it's
kind of information and clarity, much as david's work is the
benchmark and standard in his arena (a rather large arena to say the
least). i won't mention him again, as i have before and don't want to
be a promoter for anyone on this message board, but do feel he is a
special being and perhaps the most important teacher of the past
millenium (the reason i think now he is more relevant than ever in
assisting others to understand how to wake themselves up). at this
point my appreciation for his impact on my life may color my
comments, so let me quote him so you can get the thing of it straight
from the osho's mouth! the final section on the purpose of his talks
should make it clear. if you ever can listen to him, i believe there
is one audio talk on his website to stream, you will see what i mean
when i say it's how he talks (creating a silence in the listener)
rather than what he is talking about that counts.

--- jason


------------------------------------------------

"i care only for those who are ready to change the very course of
human consciousness. i will offend others, i will annoy others, i
will irritate others, i will create jealousy in others. these are
part of my devices. i am really exposing them. if they have any
intelligence they will understand it."

"i am not a philosopher, i am not a systematizer; i am absolutely
anarchistic, as anarchistic as life itself. i dont believe in
systems. i am a nonsystematic, anarchistic flow; i am not even a
person, just a process. i dont know what i said to you yesterday, and
the person who said it is not here to answer; he is gone. i am here,
and i am answerable only for this moment. so don't wait for tomorrow
because i will not be here. and who is going to make consistency, who
is going to find a thread that is not contradictory? there is nobody.
and i would like you to be the same."

"i am here not to make you understand me, i am here to help you to
understand yourself. you have to watch your own actions, your
relationships, your moods more closely: how you are when you are
alone, how you are when you are with people, how you behave, how you
react, whether your reactions are past-oriented, fixed patterns of
thought or you are spontaneous, responsible. watch all these things,
go on watching your own mind, heart. that's what has to be
understood, that is the book to be opened. you are the unopened
book."

"why do i contradict myself? i am not teaching a philosophy here. the
philosopher has to be very consistent - flawless, logical, rational,
always ready to argue and prove his statements. i am not a
philosopher. i am not here giving you a consistent dogma to which you
can cling. my whole effort is to give you a no-mind."

"as far as i am concerned, i have never planned anything; i have
simply lived, wondering what is going to happen next."

"i am not here to support you, i am here to dismantle your mind."

"don't look towards me as a saviour. because of this idea - that a
saviour has to come or a messiah has to come - people go on living
the way they are living. what can they do? they say. when the messiah
comes then everything will happen. this is their way of postponing
transformation, this is their way of deceiving themselves. enough is
enough, you have deceived yourself enough. now no more. no messiah is
ever going to come. you have to do your own work, you have to be
responsible for yourself. and when you are responsible, things start
happening."

"after a hundred years people will be perfectly able to understand
why i was misunderstood - because i am the beginning of the mystical,
the irrational. i am a discontinuity with the past. the past cannot
understand me; only the future will understand."

"i don't think about the future at all, it is irrelevant. my whole
effort is how to beautify this present moment, how to make people
more celebrating, how to make people more joyous, how to give them a
little glimpse of blissfulness, how to bring laughter to their life."

"i am not here to convert you to become a hindu, to become a
mohammedan, to become a christian. all that nonsense is not for me. i
am here to help you to become religious -- with no adjective attached
to it. and once you start understanding this, the world takes on a
totally new color."

"my effort is to leave you alone with meditation, with no mediator
between you and existence."

"i am not here to give answers, i am here to provoke in you the
question mark, the ultimate question mark."

"i am not a saint, i have nothing to do with spirituality. all those
categories are irrelevant about me. you cannot categorize me, you
cannot pigeonhole me. but one thing can be said, that my whole effort
is to help you release the energy called love-intelligence. if love-
intelligence is released, you are healed."


"always remember, whatsoever i say to you, you can take it in two
ways. you can simply take it on my authority, 'because i say so, it
must be true' -- then you will suffer, then you will not grow.
whatsoever i say, listen to it, try to understand it, implement it in
your life, see how it works, and then come to your own conclusions.
they may be the same, they may not be. they can never be exactly the
same because you have a different personality, a unique being.
whatsoever i am saying is my own. it is bound to be in deep ways
rooted in me. you may come to similar conclusions, but they cannot be
exactly the same. so my conclusions should not be made your
conclusions. you should try to understand me, you should try to
learn, but you should not collect knowledge from me, you should not
collect conclusions from me. then your mind-body will grow.

"my message is not a doctrine, not a philosophy. my message is a
certain alchemy, a science of transformation."

-------------------------------------

the purpose of osho's talks:

"the way i talk is a little strange. no speaker in the world
talks
like me. technically it is wrong; it takes almost double the time!
but those speakers have a different purpose ? my purpose is
absolutely different from theirs. they speak because they are
prepared for it; they are simply repeating something that they have
rehearsed. secondly, they are speaking to impose a certain ideology,
a certain idea on you. thirdly, to them speaking is an art; they go
on refining it.

as far as i am concerned, i am not what they call a speaker or an
orator. it is not an art to me or a technique; technically i go on
becoming worse every day! but our purposes are totally different. i
donãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â ‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ã ƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â´t want to impress you in order to manipulate you. i donãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â ‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ã ƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â´t
speak
for any goal to be achieved through convincing you. i donãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â ‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ã ƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â´t speak
to
convert you into a christian, into a hindu or a mohammedan, into a
theist or an atheist. these are not my concerns.

my speaking is really one of my devices for meditation. speaking has
never been used this way: i speak not to give you a message, but to
stop your mind functioning.

i speak nothing prepared. i donãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â ‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ã ƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â´t know myself what is going to be
the
next word; hence i never make any mistake. one makes a mistake if one
is prepared. i never forget anything, because one forgets if one has
been remembering it. so i speak with a freedom that perhaps nobody
has ever spoken with.

i am not concerned whether i am consistent, because that is not the
purpose. a man who wants to convince you and manipulate you through
his speaking has to be consistent, has to be logical, has to be
rational, to overpower your reason. he wants to dominate through
words.

my purpose is so unique: i am using words just to create silent gaps.
the words are not important so i can say anything contradictory,
anything absurd, anything unrelated, because my purpose is just to
create. the words are secondary; the silences between those words are
primary. this is simply a device to give you a glimpse of meditation.
and once you know that it is possible for you, you have traveled far
in the direction of your own being.

most of the people in the world donãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â ‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ã ƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â´t think that it is possible
for
mind to be silent. because they donãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â ‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ã ƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â´t think it is possible, they
donãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â ‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ã ƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â´t try. how to give people a taste of meditation was my basic
reason to speak, so i can go on speaking eternally; it does not
matter what i am saying. all that matters is that i give you a few
chances to be silent, which you find difficult on your own in the
beginning.

i cannot force you to be silent, but i can create a device in which
spontaneously you are bound to be silent. i am speaking, and in the
middle of a sentence, when you were expecting another word to follow,
nothing follows but a silent gap. your mind was looking to listen,
and waiting for something to follow, and does not want to miss it
?
naturally it becomes silent. what can the poor mind do? if it was
well known at what points i will be silent, if it was declared to you
that on such and such points i will be silent, then you could manage
to think; you would not be silent. then you know: `this is the
point
where he is going to be silent; now i can have a little chit-chat
with myself.' but because it comes absolutely suddenly.... i
donãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â ‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ã ƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â´t
know myself why at certain points i stop.

anything like this, in any orator in the world, will be condemned,
because an orator stopping again and again means he is not well
prepared, he has not done the homework. it means that his memory is
not reliable, that he cannot find, sometimes, what word to use. but
because it is not oratory, i am not concerned about the people who
will be condemning me ? i am concerned with you.

it is not only here, but far away...anywhere in the world where
people will be listening to the video or to the audio, they will come
to the same silence. my success is not to convince you, my success is
to give you a real taste so that you can become confident that
meditation is not a fiction, that the state of no-mind is not just a
philosophical idea, that it is a reality; that you are capable of it,
and that it does not need any special qualifications.

with me, to be silent is easier because of one other reason. i am
silent; even while i am speaking i am silent. my innermost being is
not involved at all. what i am saying to you is not a disturbance or
a burden or a tension to me; i am as relaxed as one can be. speaking
or not speaking does not make any difference to me.

naturally, this kind of state is infectious.

because i cannot go on speaking the whole day to keep you in
meditative moments, i want you to become responsible. accepting that
you are capable of being silent will help you when you are meditating
alone. knowing your capacity...and one comes to know oneãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â ‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ã ƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â´s
capacity
only when one experiences it. there is no other way.

donãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â ‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ã ƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â´t make me wholly responsible for your silence, because that
will
create a difficulty for you. alone, what are you going to do? then it
becomes a kind of addiction, and i donãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â ‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ã ƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â´t want you to be addicted
to
me. i donãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â ‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ã ƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â´t want to be a drug to you.

i want you to be independent and confident that you can attain these
precious moments on your own.

if you can attain them with me, there is no reason why you cannot
attain them without me, because i am not the cause. you have to
understand what is happening: listening to me, you put your mind
aside.

listening to the ocean, or listening to the thundering of the clouds,
or listening to the rain falling heavily, just put your ego aside,
because there is no need... the ocean is not going to attack you, the
rain is not going to attack you, the trees are not going to attack
you ? there is no need of any defense. to be vulnerable to life
as
such, to existence as such, you will be getting these moments
continuously. soon it will become your very life.

wherever you are ? at home, at work, or on the way between the
two ?
you can use the presence of any sound, any noise, as an opportunity
to move inside to a space of inner silence and stillness."


osho: the invitation, #14

all from www.osho.com if you wish to look up the source material

[Mingo42271@...]

<font face="arial,helvetica"><font size="2">jason, thank you for that stuff on osho. that was awesome! i've never heard that before. i have never ever heard that your thoughts are not your own. and i never knew that it was ok to have negative thoughts......i mean to accept them. but i always knew that all my thoughts had been thought before by others. really interesting! thanks, donna i.</font>

[Jeremy Weiland]

> i think osho is a being that takes a while to "get".
> basically i
> won't take the position of defending anything he
> says, because he
> himself says it best but he says thing to
> intentionally provoke or
> upset people to get them to see how their mind is
> attatched to ideas
> or certain patterns..to get you out of your mind! he
> isnt
> antisemetic, he "disses" germans, the pope, ronald
> reagan, all of
> humanity...nothing is off topic, because he never
> censors himself. it

fair enough... i had just read a little section of
that web page and that was what stood out to me... but
i wasn't looking for a defense, i was just wondering
who he was and what he was about. i think the points
you're making are very good, and i think a lot of the
points he was making was very good.

thanks for sharing.

jeremy

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[sirbiotech]

i only did so because of how profound an affect he has had on myself.
i did search a lot in past years and when i came across him it was
light a light in the dark. yea i guess i was a bit overdefensive
since i am so fond of his "work", it really is deeper than that
though. he jolted me out of my slumber. :)

--jason


--- in asc2k@y..., jeremy weiland <greenlantern113@y...> wrote:
> > i think osho is a being that takes a while to "get".
> > basically i
> > won't take the position of defending anything he
> > says, because he
> > himself says it best but he says thing to
> > intentionally provoke or
> > upset people to get them to see how their mind is
> > attatched to ideas
> > or certain patterns..to get you out of your mind! he
> > isnt
> > antisemetic, he "disses" germans, the pope, ronald
> > reagan, all of
> > humanity...nothing is off topic, because he never
> > censors himself. it
>
> fair enough... i had just read a little section of
> that web page and that was what stood out to me... but
> i wasn't looking for a defense, i was just wondering
> who he was and what he was about. i think the points
> you're making are very good, and i think a lot of the
> points he was making was very good.
>
> thanks for sharing.
>
> jeremy
>
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