Operartion Terra and Weird Channelings

[Chamil1950@...]

great statements jason! those guys are simply trying to get control with fear
and you felt it. the one thing you left out was free will, which can't be
interfered with. take care chris

[sirbiotech]

i saw this latest update from www.operationterra.com. i believe david
once stated he was involved with those who put the site up, tho i'm
not entirely sure if that's accurate or to what extent is his
involvement if any. anyways, i thought i'd post a few excerpts
because reading it, i wonder if it isn't exactly the type of material
one should avoid! here's why, and i'll be brief.

1) it sounds so much like sheldin niedle and his rather, in my
opinion, delusional rantings. i hate to be so harsh but it's clear
that sheldin is either channeling a negative force or jus being
played with by someone from a higher dimension or is creating it all
in his mind. it's clear he reads all the information out there so i
guess that's why there are grains of truth scattered throughout
his "updates", which i haven't read in quite some time. the people
from op terra tell us something massive and worse than sept 11 is
coming and then proceed to tell nothing of what it will be. how can
this be a positive message. "hey folks, you thought watching 3000
people die in front of your eyes was bad...just wait! more is
coming..much more, but we cannot say anything about what it is even
tho the spiritual message of all time is that every monment is new
and nothing is fixed. not only is something worse going to happen,
and we will reveal nothing about it's nature or location but we also
want to tell you this is good news!" guess all i'm trying to say is
something seems "off" about this "channeling" and just wanted to
bring that up if others have been reading the site as well.

2) what is terra? is is the earth in 4th density? what's with the
dangling carrot in front of us saying "come to terra...it will only
be 6 million of you, but come anyway. don't worry about the other
billions who will die." why not act compassionately and instead of
setting up people to be in their minds thinking about some future
terra paradise, why not explain how to live in the present moment?
explain what meditation is? explain how that will help the billion
others who aren't in the "club" to wake up. why dont they do that?
seems like another human channeling his own ego to me.

3) stay at terra the "the rest of your present incarnation" ???? what
present incarnation, once the planet is in fourth dimension
our "present" incarnations are over! it's an entirely new set of
rules and to think that somehow we will remain on this planet in our
present form is silly to me.


i just rattled this off, but wanted to just mention it because i
think i am done with all channeling except ra and cayce, tho i have
read both so guess i'm done reading any. there is nothing else out
there that rings true to me. i think part of the process we are now
going through is to realize no one is going to tell us whats going to
happen, not op terra or the etees or even david. i mean he tells us
how its happening, and what ultimately will happen, but what about
the next 10 years? and he himself admits he doesn't know exactly how
the shift will occur from our perspective except his own dream that
he transcribed in his boook softa.

i think its becoming clear that nothing on the internet will answer
those questions and that just recognizing the connection within
ultimately the only way to move sanely through the process we are in.
i guess with something this big happening (entire solar system
shifting dimensons), i expected clearer channelings at this point so
close to the threshold. they all ring false. too bad, i guess the
higher aspects of consciousness are letting us find our own way
thorugh this. if they are enlightened beings, i would assume that
they dont need to say a thing! probably the energy they provide
through silence does more than any words can ever do. that to me
would be a reflection of wisdom. don't know, but just needed to say
something after i had read the most recent post of op terra. i think
david mentioned that the internet may be gone. other than his
forthcoming book the divine cosmos and completion of c3 (or whatever
form the work is completed)...there really isn't any other
information that will make things clearer as far as 2012 shift goes.
ithe internt really goes i wont mind at all. i would like to see the
rest of david's work tho for sure, but even if that is never
completed, it seems that just knowing how to enter a meditative
(silent mind) state of consciouness is all that one needs to enjoy
the ride.


sorry for rambling...i think my mind is perhaps coming to the
realization that the mental work, the "reading" part of this is over.
the weird channelings i have seen recently only confirmed this
instinct.

be here now...not in 10 years on "terra"! :)



peace


jason


-----------------

it's booster rocket time!
january 2, 2002

the closest thing to you on the time horizon is a somewhat massive
event that will mark the separating out of the different realities
from one another to such an extent that they will begin to experience
events that are not shared with all of the other realities that will
emerge. this event will be felt in every corner of the world as a
very deep shock, and one that will rouse even the most deeply
slumbering individuals to a dawning realization that the world will
not ever be the same again.


the events that have preceded this forthcoming shock were relatively
mild compared to what comes now and what will follow it in relatively
rapid succession.

...terra calls you now, and she is your safe harbor from the storm
that now comes. remember that. the storms that come now are the
booster rockets lifting you toward your dream of a world without
storms, without wars, without death, and if you miss the thunder and
lightning, you will be able to travel to wilder places to visit with
that, too, but terra and her peace will be your home for the rest of
your present incarnation. when it is time to leave, you will simply
change form and move on. no pain. no death. no sorrow again, ever.
now that will be a welcome thing, won't it? we look forward to having
you amongst us again.


http://www.operationterra.com/messages/vol02/booster_r.html

[David Wilcock]

from: sirbiotech [mailto:sirbiotech@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=dys1n9sd5gnuu9i7wdk4kijnqilrzrvxhkznuv 76kpm-lhipteloz2xcmcl3zwj7tt-eoyygmsehuxy)]

i saw this latest update from www.operationterra.com. i believe david once
stated he was involved with those who put the site up, tho i'm not entirely
sure if that's accurate or to what extent is his involvement if any.

dw: dr. mandelker has worked with them in the past for their website and
image design expertise, and the link on our "shift" page reflects that. we
did not offer it as being right or wrong, just as a reference. i do not read
ot or converse with the channel, though i do know that there is a healthy
study of ra as a background to it. again i do not want to be boxed into a
corner by offering public opinions, therefore i must encourage each reader
to exercise their discernment with whatever they would read.

btw: don't think that just because it's taking longer for me to finish these
books that they will never be done... miracles do, and will, happen! :)

overall i agree: seth, cayce, ra are the foci and milanovitch's "we the
arcturians" is good too. perhaps the lower number of readings i've done in
the past year is that i want the fruits of my contact to be demonstrated in
empirically provable information. i too have grown disillusioned with
channeling, since so many seem to use it so they can "be important" and
"save the world", though i still do readings and record my dreams each
morning. now the contact is so close to my conscious mind that i can get
constant data whenever i want.

peace be with you -

- david

[Chamil1950@...]

his most recent picture is 1994, if you looked at it..have you tried to e-mail?
chris

[Jeremy Weiland]

> i just rattled this off, but wanted to just mention
> it because i
> think i am done with all channeling except ra and
> cayce, tho i have
> read both so guess i'm done reading any. there is
> nothing else out
> there that rings true to me.

well, if there is nothing out there that rings true to
you, then by all means, do not force yourself to
integrate it. however, i too am very skeptical of
other channelings. the only really good channeling
that i feel comfortable in recommending is ra,
wilcock, seth, and cayce, although i don't read much
cayce anymore (in the end, i think a lot of cayce is
distorted to conform with a christian point of view -
which is too limited of a view imho).

while i do occasionally read other channelings that i
know to be tainted, that is mostly for entertainment
:-) the perfect channeling for me is one that is
exciting, intuitively resonating, and educational. i
enjoy getting both a sense of adventure and
inspiration out of readings, but this seldom occurs
together. the most helpful readings i've read have
imparted a sense of peace and order, which is usually
what i look for in a reading.

i would highly suggest that you seek out a seth book,
for there is much wisdom contained in there. also,
see post #2407 in this list's archives; david gives a
list of sources that he has found helpful.

finally, i know that you didn't include the whole
channeling, but i just want to reiterate that, in
order to avoid any misunderstandings, it is always
best to include a link to the referenced channeling in
lieu of posting the whole channeling to the list.

in brightest day and blackest night,

jeremy


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[sirbiotech]

hey david,

i appreciate your feedback. it's understandable regarding giving a
public opinion. i would probably feel the same if i were in your
position. glad to know all is in the "works". i do suspect we are
going to be witness to many many more miracles in the years ahead, as
if the very nature of this multidimensional universe created moment
by moment weren't enough! every day that passess my wonderment at it
all grows and grows and grows...

best,

jason


--- in asc2k@y..., "david wilcock" <djw333@e...> wrote:
> from: sirbiotech [mailto:sirbiotech@y...]
>
> i saw this latest update from www.operationterra.com. i believe
david once
> stated he was involved with those who put the site up, tho i'm not
entirely
> sure if that's accurate or to what extent is his involvement if any.
>
> dw: dr. mandelker has worked with them in the past for their
website and
> image design expertise, and the link on our "shift" page reflects
that. we
> did not offer it as being right or wrong, just as a reference. i do
not read
> ot or converse with the channel, though i do know that there is a
healthy
> study of ra as a background to it. again i do not want to be boxed
into a
> corner by offering public opinions, therefore i must encourage each
reader
> to exercise their discernment with whatever they would read.
>
> btw: don't think that just because it's taking longer for me to
finish these
> books that they will never be done... miracles do, and will,
happen! :)
>
> overall i agree: seth, cayce, ra are the foci and milanovitch's "we
the
> arcturians" is good too. perhaps the lower number of readings i've
done in
> the past year is that i want the fruits of my contact to be
demonstrated in
> empirically provable information. i too have grown disillusioned
with
> channeling, since so many seem to use it so they can "be important"
and
> "save the world", though i still do readings and record my dreams
each
> morning. now the contact is so close to my conscious mind that i
can get
> constant data whenever i want.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david

[sirbiotech]

hi jeremy,

in fact i did include a link at the bottom of the message fyi. i will
also agree that sometimes at a purely entertainment level they are
worth a good read, but after getting a good dose of the real deal,
it's not as entertaining anymore. guess david, seth, and ra spoiled
me!

good seth text at this website listed below. one is a rather
extensive section of material. just printed them out and will enjoy
the read. i did read a couple of seth books years ago, but only when
david tied it together with his work and others did i finally realize
how clear the information was. should be interesting a second go
around.

http://home.sprynet.com/~jowolf/


take care,

jason




--- in asc2k@y..., jeremy weiland <greenlantern113@y...> wrote:
> > i just rattled this off, but wanted to just mention
> > it because i
> > think i am done with all channeling except ra and
> > cayce, tho i have
> > read both so guess i'm done reading any. there is
> > nothing else out
> > there that rings true to me.
>
> well, if there is nothing out there that rings true to
> you, then by all means, do not force yourself to
> integrate it. however, i too am very skeptical of
> other channelings. the only really good channeling
> that i feel comfortable in recommending is ra,
> wilcock, seth, and cayce, although i don't read much
> cayce anymore (in the end, i think a lot of cayce is
> distorted to conform with a christian point of view -
> which is too limited of a view imho).
>
> while i do occasionally read other channelings that i
> know to be tainted, that is mostly for entertainment
> :-) the perfect channeling for me is one that is
> exciting, intuitively resonating, and educational. i
> enjoy getting both a sense of adventure and
> inspiration out of readings, but this seldom occurs
> together. the most helpful readings i've read have
> imparted a sense of peace and order, which is usually
> what i look for in a reading.
>
> i would highly suggest that you seek out a seth book,
> for there is much wisdom contained in there. also,
> see post #2407 in this list's archives; david gives a
> list of sources that he has found helpful.
>
> finally, i know that you didn't include the whole
> channeling, but i just want to reiterate that, in
> order to avoid any misunderstandings, it is always
> best to include a link to the referenced channeling in
> lieu of posting the whole channeling to the list.
>
> in brightest day and blackest night,
>
> jeremy
>
>
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[asciilight]

i would just like to comment on the recent discussions regarding the
operation terra material... i have read the two volumes of messages
several times over and honestly find it hard to believe anyone who
has read these messages to be able to come to the conclusion that
they are `trying to get control with fear' or `seems like another
human channelling his own ego to me'.

sirbiotech: it sounds so much like sheldin niedle and his rather, in
my opinion, delusional rantings. i hate to be so harsh but it's clear
that sheldin is either channelling a negative force or jus being
played with by someone from a higher dimension or is creating it all
in his mind.

i would just like to say that the channel for the operation terra
material is called sara lyara estes. i haven't heard of sheldin
niedle myself but as far as i know he is not the channel for this
material.

sirbiotech: the people from op terra tell us something massive and
worse than sept 11 is coming and then proceed to tell nothing of what
it will be.

if there is this `massive' event that will be worse that sept 11,
wouldn't it be an infringement on free will or the law of non-
interference if we were fully informed as to the particulars of this
event?

sirbiotech: not only is something worse going to happen, and we will
reveal nothing about it's nature or location but we also want to tell
you this is good news!"

if you read the material with an open mind you may see that it does
not state at all that this upcoming event is `good news!' the
material rather suggests how to deal with the event when it happens
and to try and focus on the fact that the events/cataclysms that are
happening and about to happen are a signal that the ascension process
is well under way.

sirbiotech: what is terra? is is the earth in 4th density?

again if you were to read the material it states terra is the earth
in 4th density sto orientation.

sirbiotech: why not act compassionately and instead of setting up
people to be in their minds thinking about some future terra
paradise, why not explain how to live in the present moment? explain
what meditation is?

sorry to repeat myself but i urge you to read the two volumes of
messages available on the operation terra website... one of the first
messages explains that your personal spiritual practice should be
your primary focus to get you through the cataclysms that are at
hand. they go on to give you a useful meditation method that is
simplistic in nature and very easy to follow. one other point to make
is that one of the fundamental messages of the material is about
living your life in the present moment.

chamil1950: great statements jason! those guys are simply trying to
get control with fear and you felt it. the one thing you left out was
free will, which can't be interfered with. take care!

i would be interested to know if you have actually read any of the
material available to you on the op terra website?

sorry to go on about this but the op terra material has been so
helpful to me in the past year...

as jeremy said `the perfect channeling for me is one that is
exciting, intuitively resonating, and educational. i enjoy getting
both a sense of adventure and inspiration out of readings, but this
seldom occurs together.'

i completely agree and would highly recommend the op terra material
as for me it fulfilled all the factors that make a good channelling.

i understand that people are completely free to have their own
opinion on any subject, but i think i can safely say that all people
do strive to make an educated and informed opinion. all i would
suggest to those who have been following the discussion or those who
are interested is that maybe you should read the material in full for
yourselves and then you are in a position to make an educated opinion.

[sirbiotech]

to be honest. i think you are on target. op terra was the only
channeling i have been reading of late and have found it very clear.
i think my comments were more about where i am at than the actual
channeling. tho i am no longer interested in reading them, as i think
i'm finding my own intuition more helpful these days than anything
else. trying to unplug in some ways i think. like i said, my comments
still have their own validity, it all depends on your perspective. i
dont think its a right/wrong case. each person will have their own
reaction to channelings such as theirs. i did gain insight from their
work many times in the past, and didnt intend to tear them down as
much as express my own losing interest in channelings per se. i take
back what i said tho, they aren't on the same level as sheldin nidles
paoweb. op terras messages are definitely coming through a clearer
more connected channeler. --- jason


--- in asc2k@y..., "asciilight" <crasher2ooo@a...> wrote:
> i would just like to comment on the recent discussions regarding
the
> operation terra material... i have read the two volumes of messages
> several times over and honestly find it hard to believe anyone who
> has read these messages to be able to come to the conclusion that
> they are `trying to get control with fear' or `seems like another
> human channelling his own ego to me'.
>
> sirbiotech: it sounds so much like sheldin niedle and his rather,
in
> my opinion, delusional rantings. i hate to be so harsh but it's
clear
> that sheldin is either channelling a negative force or jus being
> played with by someone from a higher dimension or is creating it
all
> in his mind.
>
> i would just like to say that the channel for the operation terra
> material is called sara lyara estes. i haven't heard of sheldin
> niedle myself but as far as i know he is not the channel for this
> material.
>
> sirbiotech: the people from op terra tell us something massive and
> worse than sept 11 is coming and then proceed to tell nothing of
what
> it will be.
>
> if there is this `massive' event that will be worse that sept 11,
> wouldn't it be an infringement on free will or the law of non-
> interference if we were fully informed as to the particulars of
this
> event?
>
> sirbiotech: not only is something worse going to happen, and we
will
> reveal nothing about it's nature or location but we also want to
tell
> you this is good news!"
>
> if you read the material with an open mind you may see that it does
> not state at all that this upcoming event is `good news!' the
> material rather suggests how to deal with the event when it happens
> and to try and focus on the fact that the events/cataclysms that
are
> happening and about to happen are a signal that the ascension
process
> is well under way.
>
> sirbiotech: what is terra? is is the earth in 4th density?
>
> again if you were to read the material it states terra is the earth
> in 4th density sto orientation.
>
> sirbiotech: why not act compassionately and instead of setting up
> people to be in their minds thinking about some future terra
> paradise, why not explain how to live in the present moment?
explain
> what meditation is?
>
> sorry to repeat myself but i urge you to read the two volumes of
> messages available on the operation terra website... one of the
first
> messages explains that your personal spiritual practice should be
> your primary focus to get you through the cataclysms that are at
> hand. they go on to give you a useful meditation method that is
> simplistic in nature and very easy to follow. one other point to
make
> is that one of the fundamental messages of the material is about
> living your life in the present moment.
>
> chamil1950: great statements jason! those guys are simply trying to
> get control with fear and you felt it. the one thing you left out
was
> free will, which can't be interfered with. take care!
>
> i would be interested to know if you have actually read any of the
> material available to you on the op terra website?
>
> sorry to go on about this but the op terra material has been so
> helpful to me in the past year...
>
> as jeremy said `the perfect channeling for me is one that is
> exciting, intuitively resonating, and educational. i enjoy getting
> both a sense of adventure and inspiration out of readings, but this
> seldom occurs together.'
>
> i completely agree and would highly recommend the op terra material
> as for me it fulfilled all the factors that make a good
channelling.
>
> i understand that people are completely free to have their own
> opinion on any subject, but i think i can safely say that all
people
> do strive to make an educated and informed opinion. all i would
> suggest to those who have been following the discussion or those
who
> are interested is that maybe you should read the material in full
for
> yourselves and then you are in a position to make an educated
opinion.

[asciilight]

i know what your saying... i also have the feeling that i am done
reading, researching, trying to understand the process at hand... at
the minute i just feel a sense of waiting for something to happen,
not sure what though... definately agree what your saying how most
channelings arent right/wrong, if you are drawn to it and can
learn/grow from it then it has worked for you.

robin

[alphacentauri_1999]

--- in asc2k@y..., "asciilight" <crasher2ooo@a...> wrote:
> i know what your saying... i also have the feeling that i am done
> reading, researching, trying to understand the process at hand...
at the minute i just feel a sense of waiting for something to
happen, not sure what though... definately agree what your saying how
most channelings arent right/wrong, if you are drawn to it and can
> learn/grow from it then it has worked for you.
>
> robin

i also found the op terra material to be clear and it flows fairly
smoothly. the site does state that you will either resonate with the
messages or you won't. i do resonate with much of it as i do with a
few other site messages(including some of david's material).
just the other day i was thinking exactly the same thoughts you have
expressed here...that you're done reading and researching for the
most part. it does indeed now seem like a waiting process for me as
well.
ac