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Light Eye
10-17-2005, 11:42 AM
Dear Friends,

I was "indoctrinated" in the catholic faith and "knew" from an early age that
much of what I was told didn't jive so I see this as an interesting turn of
events concerning the catholic church. Still a long way to go though...;-)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html

Be Well, Be Love.

David

Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document
instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five
million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that
they should not expect ?total accuracy? from the Bible.
?We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete
historical precision,? they say in The Gift of Scripture.
The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the religious Right,
in particular in the US.

Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of creation, as told
in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin?s theory of evolution in schools, believing
?intelligent design? to be an equally plausible theory of how the world began.

But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at times
conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this country?s
Catholic bishops insist cannot be ?historical?. At most, they say, they may
contain ?historical traces?.
The document shows how far the Catholic Church has come since the 17th century,
when Galileo was condemned as a heretic for flouting a near-universal belief in
the divine inspiration of the Bible by advocating the Copernican view of the
solar system. Only a century ago, Pope Pius X condemned Modernist Catholic
scholars who adapted historical-critical methods of analysing ancient literature
to the Bible.
In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical scholars. They
say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that it is ?God?s word
expressed in human language? and that proper acknowledgement should be given
both to the word of God and its human dimensions.
They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways ?appropriate to changing
times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries?.

The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say, but
continue: ?We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in other, secular
matters.?
They go on to condemn fundamentalism for its ?intransigent intolerance? and to
warn of ?significant dangers? involved in a fundamentalist approach.

?Such an approach is dangerous, for example, when people of one nation or group
see in the Bible a mandate for their own superiority, and even consider
themselves permitted by the Bible to use violence against others.?




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Petrus
10-17-2005, 11:58 AM
>THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching
document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not
actually true.

Catholicism has always been populist. That's the main reason why I resented
it back during my fundamentalist days...they've always been a far more
political than spiritual organisation, and Luther knew that.
To Catholicism as an institution, it's about getting backsides on pews,
dollars in the bowl, and the politicians' ears. They've never been about
spiritual or theological truth or legitimacy...and those of them who are
honest will admit that.

UziYaH
10-17-2005, 12:45 PM
Shalom Family,

It may also be noted that Augustine, Valentinus, Francis of Assisi and Teresa of
Avila, all advanced souls, worked within the corridors of the Catholic Church.

In the Spirit of Light and Love,

Howard - ?Keeper of Knowledge?


Light Eye <universal_heartbeat2012@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=7tmj9xqFUiAzJdk0IlNGarucww66P44dChkn4y EibPnq1mktFurFdb0tAUL9ZgS0d9mz5NB5w1y0u2MqZJZmKbqG UvR9UIFMT9TN)> wrote:Dear Friends,

THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document
instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

Gwen
10-17-2005, 01:56 PM
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>
> >THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching
> document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are
not
> actually true.
>
> Catholicism has always been populist. That's the main reason why I
resented
> it back during my fundamentalist days...they've always been a far
more
> political than spiritual organisation, and Luther knew that.
> To Catholicism as an institution, it's about getting backsides on
pews,
> dollars in the bowl, and the politicians' ears. They've never been
about
> spiritual or theological truth or legitimacy...and those of them
who are
> honest will admit that.

All organized religion is the politicization of spirituality.
Fortunately, there are enlightened souls who are able to retain some
wisdom in each one. We all need hope not fanatics. Luther gave
people hope and options. But so did Hildegard de Bengen. And does
Matthew Fox and others, today. I personally like David Wilcock's
science and spirituality focus. Right and left brain balance is a
key.

gwen

Monica Leal
10-18-2005, 09:26 AM
Very cool! This is progress! Now if only the fundamentalists would
realize this.

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wrote:
>

> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html
>

>
> Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
> By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
>

M.W.
10-18-2005, 10:14 AM
If I can make an observation concerning this statement
concerning bible inaccuracy by the Catholic authorites.

The battle cry of the Reformation was "Sola Scriptura"
... the Bible alone the authority in spiritual matters,
so naturally, for a Protestant "bible believer" the
denying the the absolute inspiration and literal accuracy of
the "Holy Scriptures" -- in even teeny small part -- is
unthinkable. I bought that idea for a decade or so. When
it came to Catholics we had tunnel vision concerning this
matter and thought that merely invoking scripture might
bring them to the true understanding, etc.

Later I was enlightened in this matter by a Catholic friend
and I learned to appreciate a vital difference of orientation
of the Catholic viewpoint. For Catholic theologians
the bible is only just part of the story; of equal weight
is that carried by venerable Church traditions. So,if the
bible does not seem to square with accepted tradition there
has to be an accomodation to square things up...
and that would naturally differ in at least subtle ways
from that of their apostate brethern, the misled heretical
Protestants.

An interesting point brought out by my friend conceerns vast
"heretical" changes that took place in the outer chuch that
came with Vatican 2. Changes in certain aspects, including
the all-imortant Mass were supposedly influenced by the
input of four protestants and a Jew (!) serving as consultants!

Anyway, this change in policy resulted in somewhat of an uproar
and a schism was generated. My friend is now what is referred
to as a "Traditional Catholic" ...the most public of whom is Mel
Gibson, the producer of "The Passion" Of course the Vatican does
not approve of this group.

I do wonder about the strong Karmic connection my friend and
I must share in order to maintain a close friendship. Of course
she "knows" that I'm Satan's monkey and does remind me of that
quite often. An odd part of that is that she accepts kinesiology
and is quite adept at it. And she has a coven of cats! I have
mentioned to her that if we were back in the dark period of
history she would quickly end up bound to a stake! (My personal
suspicion is that I was the one hauled off to the town square
and it was she/he who had the duty of lighting the first faggot!)

billyburned




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>
> Shalom Family,
>
> It may also be noted that Augustine, Valentinus, Francis of Assisi
and Teresa of Avila, all advanced souls, worked within the corridors
of the Catholic Church.
>
> In the Spirit of Light and Love,
>
> Howard - `Keeper of Knowledge'
>
>
> Light Eye <universal_heartbeat2012@y...> wrote:Dear Friends,
>
> THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching
document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are
not actually true.
>

Gwen
10-18-2005, 10:23 AM
And then there's Mary of Agreda... The Lady in Blue who mastered bi-
lcationa or teleportation..who also worked within the confines of the
Catholic Church and her times... I think three times her books were
burned on order of her 'spiritual' director..

http://murraycreek.net/agreda/agredaintroduction.htm

gwen



>
> Shalom Family,
>
> It may also be noted that Augustine, Valentinus, Francis of Assisi
and Teresa of Avila, all advanced souls, worked within the corridors
of the Catholic Church.
>
> In the Spirit of Light and Love,
>
> Howard - `Keeper of Knowledge'
>
>