korga@...
12-19-2000, 04:31 PM
okay here's an old post of mine....
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> david wrote:
> > seriously, i'm too busy to keep doing this - but this was another warm-up!
>
> indeed you have been posting quite a bit lately david. i hope that doesn't
mean we will have to wait any longer
> for ciii. hehehehe. in that sense i don't want to keep engaging you on these
points but (maybe someone else
> will take up the reigns so you can get back to work....)
>
> >
> > dr. mandelker has a ph.d. in east-west psychology and spent many years
living in ashrams, touring through the "hot spots" and seeking enlightenment. he
is about as much of an expert on these systems of philosophy as was thomas
merton before him, truly a rare breed. and in his estimation, the law of one
series has fused all of these teachings together so clearly and cleanly that it
is "the single most important source of written teaching [he] has ever
encountered." as in - the best parts of all teachings that got these guys where
they are can all be found in the law of one series.
>
> this is not surprising but what does it mean? what are the 'best parts' of
these teachings? and what about those
> points which these teaching touch on which are not addressed by the law of
one? are these the 'bad parts'? that
> the law of one encompasses all of this, is that added merit to the law of one
teaching or the teachings which it
> encompases? these questions are fasisously (sp) serious.
*****forgive me if i'm wrong but this does relate directly to david's material
right? and it touches on something
mentioned in the shift of ages but by no means delt with in detail. why is this
inappropriate for discussion?*****
>
> >
> > i know i must sound like a broken record, but really it's quite simple. ra
gave us the blueprints for how each of these souls got where they got. it
involves clearing the blockages at each chakra level, which also corresponds to
that density and the karmic lessons for that density, until you get to a point
where you have some degree of balanced flow between all of them. once this is
open to at least a minimal degree, you have access to the violet-ray center
which can allow you to perform ascended feats. i'm not there yet though i can
tap into the akashics, heal people, effect electronics and get telekinetic
effects on smaller scales, usually spontaneously. and the psychic function is
certainly not lacking.
>
> please don't take this as an attack but i find it interesting that ra can
proclaim that which the majority of these
> souls adamently proclaim words cannot express. what you say sounds good and
logical and any other number of
> words which can describe it, but i'd be willing to bet if this was explained
to an ascended master as what they did
> to ascend, they would partake in the heartiest of laughter.
******this was not said to discredit anyone's work but merely an observation.
honestly. should this not be
addressed. fundamental to proposing that there is truth proclaimed in the ra
material we have to accept that the
truth can be proclaimed. in the history of ascension none have proclaimed this.
is this off topic?**********
>
> after this point david, i'm not sure if you are speaking directly to me or to
the forum as a whole.
was david talking about me here. i really don't know. does it apply to me.....
vaguely maybe but not really.
>
> >
> > now you get into the finesse of how do you face yourself on every level of
being: forgiveness of self, acceptance of self, direction of will, becoming the
creator. it all comes back to self-acceptance and forgiveness, and "service to
others becomes automatic at this point." best way to figure out where the
hotspots are? dreamwork. if you're not taking notes on the messages from your
higher self then you're not going to find out the problem anywhere near as
quickly, if at all. that's why i took the time to give everyone that checklist.
if you remember a dream and run it through the checklist, you will be able to
decode it, at least partially, if you follow the formula. but don't email me and
ask me to do it for you! this is your gig, and it don't mean a thing if it ain't
got that swing! and you've gotta put the grr in swinger, baby!
> >
> > most clients of mine need to hear messages that go all the way back to very
early in their life, and they have gone a lifetime without figuring it out. why
do you think they've got their astrology, their parents, their trends in life?
think that was all accidental or coincidental? not. i simply tie together their
stuff with mom, dad, relationships, jobs, prosperity attitude, body esteem, diet
and health and voila! suddenly it all fits together. my dream nails it, the
reading comes in to explain it. most of the time it's so obvious i really don't
even need to do the dream or reading. it's always the victim thing. whichever
parent victimized you the most shows you which aspect of yourself feels more
disconnected from god. and you'll discover that you're still making the same
mistakes.
> >
> > talk to mom if she's still around. forgive, accept, direct, become. love
yourself, nurture yourself. projection-wise, what comes out in this forum shows
the issues black and white. (dr. perls: "look to what the person accuses you of
saying, doing or being, and there you find the real subconscious issues with
self that they haven't faced and are still upset about.") someone wasn't
available enough.
> >
> > the reason why i'm here and doing what i'm doing is that at every stage of
the battle, i have faced myself, accepted, integrated and gone up the ladder.
lost 85 pounds, quit getting high, quit meat / sugar / fried food / dairy /
white flour / et cetera, exercised, stopped hating myself, stopped worrying,
meditated, studied, gained wisdom, directed creativity, practiced compassion and
service to others, made a commitment to dedicate my life to healing this planet
in the way i knew best. that's all that these other guys have done as well, and
everybody reaches their own notch. there's a good reading early along in the
archives on my site about jesus, saying that even though there was a plan, he
had to make conscious choices every step of the way to become that person.
> >
> > there's no shortcut - no etherium gold powder under the tongue that will
blast you into a higher level of being. get on your ****-wading boots and
prepare to unclog the cesspool of the monkey mind. i'm serious. slow down your
thoughts, get control of yourself, stop fluttering like a moth in front of a
lightbulb, never giving yourself a breather from chatter-chatter-chatter in the
head. how is this done? forgive, accept, direct, become. simple equation.
knowledge is easy, application is freakin' hard.
> >
> > you don't walk the path of the master by making one choice, one day - you
have to go back through your entire life, "defrag" every time where you didn't
make the optimal choices for your own highest good, relive those times in the
dream plane, "do the right thing," make the better choice, heal yourself, see
how it works in your life now, integrate the information, put your knowledge
into application, keep on working.
> >
> > it's not something easy - it is a constant process. the more you do this,
the more your life will be filled with joy, synchronicity, blessings, love,
wisdom, compassion, intelligence. i am so much smarter than i was before i went
on this diet and self-transformation path; there's a significant gain in iq
points, not to mention simple popularity because everybody wants to feel your
light. yes, you make tons of sacrifices that the ego doesn't like. you give up
all your addictions, habits, dietetic hangups, anger - "there is no such thing
as an emotionally charged situation. there are only two choices - to be of
service or to withdraw from the situation." i still blow that one sometimes.
> >
> > the tools for how to do all this are in every reading on the site! question
is: are you ready to do the homework on self instead of looking for the magic
panacea, the "one thing" that's suddenly going to make it all fit together?
> >
> > what feelings of limitation hold you back from being able to accept our
immediate future transformation? did god abandon you somewhere along the line?
is it "too fantastic" to be true? too "perfect?" do i need to beat you over the
head with science to convince you that this is really going to happen? well,
that's-a what i'm-a gonna do in the next book, if i haven't already done enough.
> >
> > if you're not studying the law of one or are not inclined to study it, (and
the study guide works best in conjunction with the books themselves, it is not a
stand-alone,) then you're not really going to understand why we keep wanting to
divert the flow of conversation back that way. all of your questions are
answered quite well therein.
> >
> > even the hard-nosed skeptic will have a very hard time denying the case that
there is to be some form of energetic shift on our planet in the near future
after reading c-iii. essentially, you cannot deny that it is happening now,
because it fits so perfectly with the physics. all that you can do is to quibble
about what it will actually "do" to each human being. and i feel that ra has
given us the best answer.
> >
>
> okay lets talk metaphor's here because what you detail here is absoultely
beautiful and really does get at the
> heart of the topic of ascension, but it is all but only a metaphor. the same
goes for all religious texts, all the ra
> material, all the seth material, all surgeon general warnings, and generally
speaking all things. that you can
> share this metaphor with others in such an eloquent manner is beautiful. that
it has done so much to improve
> the lives of yourself and others is equally beautiful. but if you or anyone
else regards it as more than a
> metaphor, then for all the beauty that is entailed within it, it has limited
your progress.
>
> what is the purpose of these metaphors? the diamond sutra states (watch out
i've started going to sources),
> "all things are caused by me - that i may attain liberation nirvana"
(paraphrased). let me explain this a bit
> further. as said by the buddha 'caused by me' does not mean me as an
individual nature but as entailing the
> whole of everything, without ego or individual identity. as such the cause
and the effect are the same. there is
> no doer separate from what is done. you are the metaphor you create. as you
refine that metaphor you refine
> yourself. refining that metaphor is broadening it to encompass all
causes/effects, or all things, which in turn
> broadens you to encompass all things until the ego is removed and one rejoins
all things, thereby attaining
> liberation or ascending. at the same time the diamond sutra would be careful
to express that this is not the way.
> the way is unreal. this is merely called the way.
*******again, i am hinting at the historical reference for ascension. we must
remember that ascension was
being taught way before the ra material. are these methods, which worked,
somehow now outdated because the
ra material is around. also jeremy, you'll notice that for me everything is a
metaphor. nothing is real it is
merely called real. that i say that the ra material and david's work are unreal
is not a criticism. the diamond
sutra is an amazing source for a better understanding of this. that something
is unreal does not diminish its
value because everything is unreal. what diminishes the value of the unreal is
when it is treated as real. this is
the metaphysics. the principles which exist before the principles. jeremy's
definition, 'the spiritual implications
of ascension' are not metaphysics, that's spirituality. to talk about
spirituality and call it metaphysics is a big
mistake. spirituality is nice but it is nowhere close to metaphysics.
metaphysics are complicated but rather
essential. how is it possible for you to know what you know, that is the
question of metaphysics, and though
david doesn't deal with it in his work, it affects everything which he presents.
by example, if everything is unreal
then when we speak of things we are speaking only of them nominally not as
reality. i think david's work even
touches on this a little bit in terms of the unreality of things. even ra
refers to our world as an illusion. talk
about the illusion sure but treat it as real and what and the illusion no longer
serves its purpose. is this off topic?
**************
>
> okay let me go one step further. ra is said to be a sixth density being. as
such ra is still able to interact with
> us here in the third density as individuals. but ra is not ra, ra is merely
called ra. the sixth density is not the
> sixth density it is merely called the sixth density. what is my point? where
while you may say that ra and the
> ra material capture the best parts of all the previous ascended souls, by no
means has ra or the material ra
> presents shown that ra has achieved any wisdom beyond them. taking the
diamond sutra alone, that ra still
> relates in an ego manner (no i am not saying ra is egotistical) shows his
limits. he professes this as being only
> a sixth density being which we think of as higher than us and thus the
metaphor presented (like most other
> metaphors of the kind) amaze us with what they entail. but fundamentally ra
and the law of one are not ra or
> the law of one they are merely called such. they are but the metaphors.
>
> the primary danger (this is not a scare tactic) of metaphors is the human
tendency to reify them. this is derrived
> from our desires to know. we yearn in some sense (even the most humble of us)
for some sense of certainty
> and search the metaphor for truth, turning those things which please us about
the metaphor into reality. what
> reification does however is begin slowing the metaphor down until it becomes
real. explained better, the truth is
> fluid and ever changing. metaphors flow with the truth and as such we are
able to learn from them. but if we reify
> the metaphors, they potentially can become real, solid, still and thus no
longer abide in the motion of truth.
*******this is the only mention previously of ra and again it isn't met as a
critique. i could have used myself
instead of ra or the bible instead of the law of one. my use of ra and the law
of one was to show that the
weren't exceptions to this. i am not arguing against the work here am
i?*************
>
> i wrote:
> > p.s. here's a question (okay 2): if there were no on-coming harvest
would you honestly be prepared to cultivate
> > mind, body and soul in preparation for ascension? was there ever a time
when there wasn't an on-coming
> > harvest to inspire human souls to pursue cultivation? refine your
metaphor.
>
> this is similar to a favorite question for me to pose to christians - could
you follow the teachings of christ if there
> were no jesus? and the follow-up - because the teachings of christ exist with
or without jesus.
>
> in the seven taoist masters (with regard to the second question), the queen of
all things proclaims that she will
> share the nectre of the sacred fruit on a specific day and that this fruit
would not bloom again for ten thousand
> years (again i am paraphrasing). tasting this fruit is the crowning of
immortality, but in order to taste one must
> have already ascended prior to the set date. is this not similar to the
coming of a harvest in which one must walk
> the ascension path to reap the benefits of the harvest? would not the coming
of this event be as critical to a
> taoist at the time as the on-coming harvest is to you?
>
> okay i've said enough for now, but there is more. i'm about to go on vacation
for a month so....
>
> incarnations
> korga
********* this last bit. forgive me if i'm wrong but this is very much on
topic. the parallel i've drawn between
the coming harvest and taoist immortality should really raise questions. have
we reified our unreality so much
that it superscedes what has happened before. and if what we are experiencing
now is parallel to that which has
happened in the past shouldn't we examine and learn from that past occurance?
how is this not on topic?
because david doesn't mention it? that's the exact reason why i've brought it
up because he doesn't mention it.
if you just read what is in david's material you might think that there are no
parallels in history for the coming
harvest. even just taking the lost mayans. what was their metaphor? i'm sorry
but i cannot see how this is not
on topic.**********
i've been avoiding saying this for quite some time because i don't want people
thinking that i'm the spoiler here,
but just because david has taken the time to put all of his material out there,
and because it encompasses so
much does not make his work untouchable. it has a lot of holes. i was very
happy in the beginning (before i
realized it was keeping him from writing ciii) to find out david would be
participating on this list because i
thought it would be a good opportunity to discuss with him the problems i had
with his work (not as a whole mind
you but points), that it might help him in the way reading his work has helped
me. david is not my saviour and
the law of one is not the holy word for me. does this mean i don't want to
discuss it absolutely not. i thought i
might be able to help david by bringing a metaphysical perspective into what he
discusses. this is seen as
attacking him. it's interesting to note that i've been called defensive despite
the fact that i've proposed nothing
to be defensive about. but the way you make it sound jeremy, if i'm not on the
same page as david this forum
is not for me. let us not put david and his work to high on a pedestal
otherwise they too may become real
(incidently another translation of real as i use it may be stagnant or
dogmatic). not to toot my own horn, but i
know quite a bit and have done extensive study on both metaphysics and the topic
of ascension throughout
known history. i will not pretend that this knowledge and the questions they
raise, are unimportant simply
because i've come to asc2k. instead i try to make sense of them and relate them
to others that they may too
think about how this relates to their metaphors. you tell me this is off topic.
the only way i can see what i have
said is off topic is if the topic of discussion, (david's work), is real. and i
reiterate another translation of real as i
mean it hear is stagnant or dogmatic.
incidently this is not a critique jeremy, but there is all this talk about the
others on this forum, but while there are
over sixty members yours is the only opinion besides david which i see outside
of a few other inquiries here and
there. what do the rest of you think. am i off topic. if so just say so and i
will shut up (incidently a week from
tommorow i will be gone anyway.... but i'll be back).
incarnations
korga
--- in asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=5yjux3fx_famkmfzj6wbo6wbtgenliwbsuhvc4 uumr9bavqwpgyvmggysibbw9-j7h_inhhkkhy), korga@h... wrote:
> david wrote:
> > seriously, i'm too busy to keep doing this - but this was another warm-up!
>
> indeed you have been posting quite a bit lately david. i hope that doesn't
mean we will have to wait any longer
> for ciii. hehehehe. in that sense i don't want to keep engaging you on these
points but (maybe someone else
> will take up the reigns so you can get back to work....)
>
> >
> > dr. mandelker has a ph.d. in east-west psychology and spent many years
living in ashrams, touring through the "hot spots" and seeking enlightenment. he
is about as much of an expert on these systems of philosophy as was thomas
merton before him, truly a rare breed. and in his estimation, the law of one
series has fused all of these teachings together so clearly and cleanly that it
is "the single most important source of written teaching [he] has ever
encountered." as in - the best parts of all teachings that got these guys where
they are can all be found in the law of one series.
>
> this is not surprising but what does it mean? what are the 'best parts' of
these teachings? and what about those
> points which these teaching touch on which are not addressed by the law of
one? are these the 'bad parts'? that
> the law of one encompasses all of this, is that added merit to the law of one
teaching or the teachings which it
> encompases? these questions are fasisously (sp) serious.
*****forgive me if i'm wrong but this does relate directly to david's material
right? and it touches on something
mentioned in the shift of ages but by no means delt with in detail. why is this
inappropriate for discussion?*****
>
> >
> > i know i must sound like a broken record, but really it's quite simple. ra
gave us the blueprints for how each of these souls got where they got. it
involves clearing the blockages at each chakra level, which also corresponds to
that density and the karmic lessons for that density, until you get to a point
where you have some degree of balanced flow between all of them. once this is
open to at least a minimal degree, you have access to the violet-ray center
which can allow you to perform ascended feats. i'm not there yet though i can
tap into the akashics, heal people, effect electronics and get telekinetic
effects on smaller scales, usually spontaneously. and the psychic function is
certainly not lacking.
>
> please don't take this as an attack but i find it interesting that ra can
proclaim that which the majority of these
> souls adamently proclaim words cannot express. what you say sounds good and
logical and any other number of
> words which can describe it, but i'd be willing to bet if this was explained
to an ascended master as what they did
> to ascend, they would partake in the heartiest of laughter.
******this was not said to discredit anyone's work but merely an observation.
honestly. should this not be
addressed. fundamental to proposing that there is truth proclaimed in the ra
material we have to accept that the
truth can be proclaimed. in the history of ascension none have proclaimed this.
is this off topic?**********
>
> after this point david, i'm not sure if you are speaking directly to me or to
the forum as a whole.
was david talking about me here. i really don't know. does it apply to me.....
vaguely maybe but not really.
>
> >
> > now you get into the finesse of how do you face yourself on every level of
being: forgiveness of self, acceptance of self, direction of will, becoming the
creator. it all comes back to self-acceptance and forgiveness, and "service to
others becomes automatic at this point." best way to figure out where the
hotspots are? dreamwork. if you're not taking notes on the messages from your
higher self then you're not going to find out the problem anywhere near as
quickly, if at all. that's why i took the time to give everyone that checklist.
if you remember a dream and run it through the checklist, you will be able to
decode it, at least partially, if you follow the formula. but don't email me and
ask me to do it for you! this is your gig, and it don't mean a thing if it ain't
got that swing! and you've gotta put the grr in swinger, baby!
> >
> > most clients of mine need to hear messages that go all the way back to very
early in their life, and they have gone a lifetime without figuring it out. why
do you think they've got their astrology, their parents, their trends in life?
think that was all accidental or coincidental? not. i simply tie together their
stuff with mom, dad, relationships, jobs, prosperity attitude, body esteem, diet
and health and voila! suddenly it all fits together. my dream nails it, the
reading comes in to explain it. most of the time it's so obvious i really don't
even need to do the dream or reading. it's always the victim thing. whichever
parent victimized you the most shows you which aspect of yourself feels more
disconnected from god. and you'll discover that you're still making the same
mistakes.
> >
> > talk to mom if she's still around. forgive, accept, direct, become. love
yourself, nurture yourself. projection-wise, what comes out in this forum shows
the issues black and white. (dr. perls: "look to what the person accuses you of
saying, doing or being, and there you find the real subconscious issues with
self that they haven't faced and are still upset about.") someone wasn't
available enough.
> >
> > the reason why i'm here and doing what i'm doing is that at every stage of
the battle, i have faced myself, accepted, integrated and gone up the ladder.
lost 85 pounds, quit getting high, quit meat / sugar / fried food / dairy /
white flour / et cetera, exercised, stopped hating myself, stopped worrying,
meditated, studied, gained wisdom, directed creativity, practiced compassion and
service to others, made a commitment to dedicate my life to healing this planet
in the way i knew best. that's all that these other guys have done as well, and
everybody reaches their own notch. there's a good reading early along in the
archives on my site about jesus, saying that even though there was a plan, he
had to make conscious choices every step of the way to become that person.
> >
> > there's no shortcut - no etherium gold powder under the tongue that will
blast you into a higher level of being. get on your ****-wading boots and
prepare to unclog the cesspool of the monkey mind. i'm serious. slow down your
thoughts, get control of yourself, stop fluttering like a moth in front of a
lightbulb, never giving yourself a breather from chatter-chatter-chatter in the
head. how is this done? forgive, accept, direct, become. simple equation.
knowledge is easy, application is freakin' hard.
> >
> > you don't walk the path of the master by making one choice, one day - you
have to go back through your entire life, "defrag" every time where you didn't
make the optimal choices for your own highest good, relive those times in the
dream plane, "do the right thing," make the better choice, heal yourself, see
how it works in your life now, integrate the information, put your knowledge
into application, keep on working.
> >
> > it's not something easy - it is a constant process. the more you do this,
the more your life will be filled with joy, synchronicity, blessings, love,
wisdom, compassion, intelligence. i am so much smarter than i was before i went
on this diet and self-transformation path; there's a significant gain in iq
points, not to mention simple popularity because everybody wants to feel your
light. yes, you make tons of sacrifices that the ego doesn't like. you give up
all your addictions, habits, dietetic hangups, anger - "there is no such thing
as an emotionally charged situation. there are only two choices - to be of
service or to withdraw from the situation." i still blow that one sometimes.
> >
> > the tools for how to do all this are in every reading on the site! question
is: are you ready to do the homework on self instead of looking for the magic
panacea, the "one thing" that's suddenly going to make it all fit together?
> >
> > what feelings of limitation hold you back from being able to accept our
immediate future transformation? did god abandon you somewhere along the line?
is it "too fantastic" to be true? too "perfect?" do i need to beat you over the
head with science to convince you that this is really going to happen? well,
that's-a what i'm-a gonna do in the next book, if i haven't already done enough.
> >
> > if you're not studying the law of one or are not inclined to study it, (and
the study guide works best in conjunction with the books themselves, it is not a
stand-alone,) then you're not really going to understand why we keep wanting to
divert the flow of conversation back that way. all of your questions are
answered quite well therein.
> >
> > even the hard-nosed skeptic will have a very hard time denying the case that
there is to be some form of energetic shift on our planet in the near future
after reading c-iii. essentially, you cannot deny that it is happening now,
because it fits so perfectly with the physics. all that you can do is to quibble
about what it will actually "do" to each human being. and i feel that ra has
given us the best answer.
> >
>
> okay lets talk metaphor's here because what you detail here is absoultely
beautiful and really does get at the
> heart of the topic of ascension, but it is all but only a metaphor. the same
goes for all religious texts, all the ra
> material, all the seth material, all surgeon general warnings, and generally
speaking all things. that you can
> share this metaphor with others in such an eloquent manner is beautiful. that
it has done so much to improve
> the lives of yourself and others is equally beautiful. but if you or anyone
else regards it as more than a
> metaphor, then for all the beauty that is entailed within it, it has limited
your progress.
>
> what is the purpose of these metaphors? the diamond sutra states (watch out
i've started going to sources),
> "all things are caused by me - that i may attain liberation nirvana"
(paraphrased). let me explain this a bit
> further. as said by the buddha 'caused by me' does not mean me as an
individual nature but as entailing the
> whole of everything, without ego or individual identity. as such the cause
and the effect are the same. there is
> no doer separate from what is done. you are the metaphor you create. as you
refine that metaphor you refine
> yourself. refining that metaphor is broadening it to encompass all
causes/effects, or all things, which in turn
> broadens you to encompass all things until the ego is removed and one rejoins
all things, thereby attaining
> liberation or ascending. at the same time the diamond sutra would be careful
to express that this is not the way.
> the way is unreal. this is merely called the way.
*******again, i am hinting at the historical reference for ascension. we must
remember that ascension was
being taught way before the ra material. are these methods, which worked,
somehow now outdated because the
ra material is around. also jeremy, you'll notice that for me everything is a
metaphor. nothing is real it is
merely called real. that i say that the ra material and david's work are unreal
is not a criticism. the diamond
sutra is an amazing source for a better understanding of this. that something
is unreal does not diminish its
value because everything is unreal. what diminishes the value of the unreal is
when it is treated as real. this is
the metaphysics. the principles which exist before the principles. jeremy's
definition, 'the spiritual implications
of ascension' are not metaphysics, that's spirituality. to talk about
spirituality and call it metaphysics is a big
mistake. spirituality is nice but it is nowhere close to metaphysics.
metaphysics are complicated but rather
essential. how is it possible for you to know what you know, that is the
question of metaphysics, and though
david doesn't deal with it in his work, it affects everything which he presents.
by example, if everything is unreal
then when we speak of things we are speaking only of them nominally not as
reality. i think david's work even
touches on this a little bit in terms of the unreality of things. even ra
refers to our world as an illusion. talk
about the illusion sure but treat it as real and what and the illusion no longer
serves its purpose. is this off topic?
**************
>
> okay let me go one step further. ra is said to be a sixth density being. as
such ra is still able to interact with
> us here in the third density as individuals. but ra is not ra, ra is merely
called ra. the sixth density is not the
> sixth density it is merely called the sixth density. what is my point? where
while you may say that ra and the
> ra material capture the best parts of all the previous ascended souls, by no
means has ra or the material ra
> presents shown that ra has achieved any wisdom beyond them. taking the
diamond sutra alone, that ra still
> relates in an ego manner (no i am not saying ra is egotistical) shows his
limits. he professes this as being only
> a sixth density being which we think of as higher than us and thus the
metaphor presented (like most other
> metaphors of the kind) amaze us with what they entail. but fundamentally ra
and the law of one are not ra or
> the law of one they are merely called such. they are but the metaphors.
>
> the primary danger (this is not a scare tactic) of metaphors is the human
tendency to reify them. this is derrived
> from our desires to know. we yearn in some sense (even the most humble of us)
for some sense of certainty
> and search the metaphor for truth, turning those things which please us about
the metaphor into reality. what
> reification does however is begin slowing the metaphor down until it becomes
real. explained better, the truth is
> fluid and ever changing. metaphors flow with the truth and as such we are
able to learn from them. but if we reify
> the metaphors, they potentially can become real, solid, still and thus no
longer abide in the motion of truth.
*******this is the only mention previously of ra and again it isn't met as a
critique. i could have used myself
instead of ra or the bible instead of the law of one. my use of ra and the law
of one was to show that the
weren't exceptions to this. i am not arguing against the work here am
i?*************
>
> i wrote:
> > p.s. here's a question (okay 2): if there were no on-coming harvest
would you honestly be prepared to cultivate
> > mind, body and soul in preparation for ascension? was there ever a time
when there wasn't an on-coming
> > harvest to inspire human souls to pursue cultivation? refine your
metaphor.
>
> this is similar to a favorite question for me to pose to christians - could
you follow the teachings of christ if there
> were no jesus? and the follow-up - because the teachings of christ exist with
or without jesus.
>
> in the seven taoist masters (with regard to the second question), the queen of
all things proclaims that she will
> share the nectre of the sacred fruit on a specific day and that this fruit
would not bloom again for ten thousand
> years (again i am paraphrasing). tasting this fruit is the crowning of
immortality, but in order to taste one must
> have already ascended prior to the set date. is this not similar to the
coming of a harvest in which one must walk
> the ascension path to reap the benefits of the harvest? would not the coming
of this event be as critical to a
> taoist at the time as the on-coming harvest is to you?
>
> okay i've said enough for now, but there is more. i'm about to go on vacation
for a month so....
>
> incarnations
> korga
********* this last bit. forgive me if i'm wrong but this is very much on
topic. the parallel i've drawn between
the coming harvest and taoist immortality should really raise questions. have
we reified our unreality so much
that it superscedes what has happened before. and if what we are experiencing
now is parallel to that which has
happened in the past shouldn't we examine and learn from that past occurance?
how is this not on topic?
because david doesn't mention it? that's the exact reason why i've brought it
up because he doesn't mention it.
if you just read what is in david's material you might think that there are no
parallels in history for the coming
harvest. even just taking the lost mayans. what was their metaphor? i'm sorry
but i cannot see how this is not
on topic.**********
i've been avoiding saying this for quite some time because i don't want people
thinking that i'm the spoiler here,
but just because david has taken the time to put all of his material out there,
and because it encompasses so
much does not make his work untouchable. it has a lot of holes. i was very
happy in the beginning (before i
realized it was keeping him from writing ciii) to find out david would be
participating on this list because i
thought it would be a good opportunity to discuss with him the problems i had
with his work (not as a whole mind
you but points), that it might help him in the way reading his work has helped
me. david is not my saviour and
the law of one is not the holy word for me. does this mean i don't want to
discuss it absolutely not. i thought i
might be able to help david by bringing a metaphysical perspective into what he
discusses. this is seen as
attacking him. it's interesting to note that i've been called defensive despite
the fact that i've proposed nothing
to be defensive about. but the way you make it sound jeremy, if i'm not on the
same page as david this forum
is not for me. let us not put david and his work to high on a pedestal
otherwise they too may become real
(incidently another translation of real as i use it may be stagnant or
dogmatic). not to toot my own horn, but i
know quite a bit and have done extensive study on both metaphysics and the topic
of ascension throughout
known history. i will not pretend that this knowledge and the questions they
raise, are unimportant simply
because i've come to asc2k. instead i try to make sense of them and relate them
to others that they may too
think about how this relates to their metaphors. you tell me this is off topic.
the only way i can see what i have
said is off topic is if the topic of discussion, (david's work), is real. and i
reiterate another translation of real as i
mean it hear is stagnant or dogmatic.
incidently this is not a critique jeremy, but there is all this talk about the
others on this forum, but while there are
over sixty members yours is the only opinion besides david which i see outside
of a few other inquiries here and
there. what do the rest of you think. am i off topic. if so just say so and i
will shut up (incidently a week from
tommorow i will be gone anyway.... but i'll be back).
incarnations
korga