One last note

[David Wilcock]

i have temporarily banned alex and will continue privately with him should
he email me and prove that he is in fact not simon yet again.

let me make it clear once more. the majority has voted and the pruning has
begun. mention tfel and you're out. as a group, the majority has decided
that this is essentially a cult, using advanced brainwashing techniques,
convincing people that they are elite and have something over others.

the deceptiveness lies in the fact that a significant amount of what alex
said is true. however, as ra has stated, a negative contact will imitate a
positive contact as much as is necessary to lure people in. that is what has
occurred here.

to be blunt: the illuminati also will think that they have the highest and
best truth from 7th density or higher. and they could also teach you a lot
about getting rid of the ego, having "gnosis," et cetera. a 5d neg. entity
is very advanced.

peace be with you -

- david

[chantellejensen@...]

gosh, i can't help but just say that i think you may be getting a bit paranoid
david.

i know who alex is and he is not simon.

in earnest,

chantelle


--- in asc2k@y..., "david wilcock" <djw333@e...> wrote:
> i have temporarily banned alex and will continue privately with him should
> he email me and prove that he is in fact not simon yet again.
>
> let me make it clear once more. the majority has voted and the pruning has
> begun. mention tfel and you're out. as a group, the majority has decided
> that this is essentially a cult, using advanced brainwashing techniques,
> convincing people that they are elite and have something over others.
>
> the deceptiveness lies in the fact that a significant amount of what alex
> said is true. however, as ra has stated, a negative contact will imitate a
> positive contact as much as is necessary to lure people in. that is what has
> occurred here.
>
> to be blunt: the illuminati also will think that they have the highest and
> best truth from 7th density or higher. and they could also teach you a lot
> about getting rid of the ego, having "gnosis," et cetera. a 5d neg. entity
> is very advanced.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david

[David Wilcock]

from: chantellejensen@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=am5d7fag-bpz1shl9vzvosghp_okbqb7kqpahu_ympa1prkcjnksi6n8hhq 9eqpue5cnmm16gev2v1ccuquvijjgiiy) [mailto:chantellejensen@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=am5d7fag-bpz1shl9vzvosghp_okbqb7kqpahu_ympa1prkcjnksi6n8hhq 9eqpue5cnmm16gev2v1ccuquvijjgiiy)]

gosh, i can't help but just say that i think you may be getting a bit
paranoid david.

dw: this is not paranoia; this is action. i have very carefully weighed
every move and every decision from all political angles here, as if this
were like a very complex chess game with 190 pieces and a continually
shifting field of play. of course there will be a few who don't see how
careful i was, how impeccable i had to be with my word while not talking
like a self-appointed master, et cetera. honestly we need to move on now,
and the time to criticize me or the actions themselves has passed. i now
clearly see what is going on here and what needed to be done.

i made a simple statement: tfel is off-limits, and regardless of who the
person is or even if i like them, if it gets brought up again they'll be
banned. if i failed to enforce this "punishment paradigm" as it is called in
psychobabble, then the next wave of attack would be far worse. should alex
indeed be a real person, we can have discussions about the adept's path...
but those who weave tfel into their emails are not welcome. i have already
made that very clear. alex can contact me privately for further discussion,
as he is the first person who has shown a willingness to combine ra with the
brainwashing of tfel, so there is potential!

let me make it clear again that the deceptiveness of tfel lies in the fact
that certain sources have indeed been tapped for wisdom that can be applied
to the self for advancement. anyone who has had a reading from me knows that
i can be merciless in shattering outworn ego concepts and delusions born
from the perception of having been separate from god. global readings i post
can't really do justice to that personal process. those who can handle the
most are given the most; the teaching that my readings give adjusts
depending on the needs of the student.

the law of one series and my own material gives all the essential data
points needed for the path to self-integration. tfel's dogma is heavily
tainted with subtle but clear signs of sts, and i've privately counseled two
different people now who got out. please be aware that they have made it
very clear to me that this is an ongoing problem that has affected several
other lists like ours, and that the inevitable end result is exactly what i
had to do here. did i like doing it? no. was it necessary? yes. do we need
to move on now? yes.

this whole issue has consumed way too much of the group's energy. since the
first day i contacted simon i had the dream that was telling me what was
going on, but its full meaning wasn't realized until recently. he was
compared in the dream to a computer virus that had infected this list.

i didn't understand the virus part at the time because it also encouraged me
to converse with him. now i see that this invitation was for the catalyst
that would be gained, as has been the case in other instances where i was
acquainted with others to learn something and would eventually be forced to
break it off in order to continue my progress. (and these were not romantic
relationships... usually they have been people who thought they had
something to offer spiritually, but then ended up essentially trying to use
me for whatever reason.)

>i know who alex is and he is not simon.

not to be rude, but we don't know who you are! as it stands, you too are
using a free email address, joined only 19 days ago, are not receiving
individual email but only seeing our posts on the web, and this is the very
first post you've made to the group. so please understand that when we're
dealing with someone as intelligent as simon, the sky's the limit.

i think that we as a group would be more than happy to hear more about
yourself and your spiritual path - what drew you here. just please
understand that our official position now is that tfel dogma must be rooted
out until all "buds" have been clipped. this is what i was guided to do.
sorry guys, but if you joined in the last 3-4 weeks and use a free email
address, some personality identity will need to be established!

peace be with you -

- david


in earnest,

chantelle

[chantellejensen@...]

if you are with the light david then why are you so afraid of the influence of a
small cult? and why do you feel the need to justify yourself so much? why not
just be true and let those with eyes to see, see?

chantelle

--- in asc2k@y..., "david wilcock" <djw333@e...> wrote:
> from: chantellejensen@y... [mailto:chantellejensen@y...]
>
> gosh, i can't help but just say that i think you may be getting a bit
> paranoid david.
>
> dw: this is not paranoia; this is action. i have very carefully weighed
> every move and every decision from all political angles here, as if this
> were like a very complex chess game with 190 pieces and a continually
> shifting field of play. of course there will be a few who don't see how
> careful i was, how impeccable i had to be with my word while not talking
> like a self-appointed master, et cetera. honestly we need to move on now,
> and the time to criticize me or the actions themselves has passed. i now
> clearly see what is going on here and what needed to be done.
>
> i made a simple statement: tfel is off-limits, and regardless of who the
> person is or even if i like them, if it gets brought up again they'll be
> banned. if i failed to enforce this "punishment paradigm" as it is called in
> psychobabble, then the next wave of attack would be far worse. should alex
> indeed be a real person, we can have discussions about the adept's path...
> but those who weave tfel into their emails are not welcome. i have already
> made that very clear. alex can contact me privately for further discussion,
> as he is the first person who has shown a willingness to combine ra with the
> brainwashing of tfel, so there is potential!
>
> let me make it clear again that the deceptiveness of tfel lies in the fact
> that certain sources have indeed been tapped for wisdom that can be applied
> to the self for advancement. anyone who has had a reading from me knows that
> i can be merciless in shattering outworn ego concepts and delusions born
> from the perception of having been separate from god. global readings i post
> can't really do justice to that personal process. those who can handle the
> most are given the most; the teaching that my readings give adjusts
> depending on the needs of the student.
>
> the law of one series and my own material gives all the essential data
> points needed for the path to self-integration. tfel's dogma is heavily
> tainted with subtle but clear signs of sts, and i've privately counseled two
> different people now who got out. please be aware that they have made it
> very clear to me that this is an ongoing problem that has affected several
> other lists like ours, and that the inevitable end result is exactly what i
> had to do here. did i like doing it? no. was it necessary? yes. do we need
> to move on now? yes.
>
> this whole issue has consumed way too much of the group's energy. since the
> first day i contacted simon i had the dream that was telling me what was
> going on, but its full meaning wasn't realized until recently. he was
> compared in the dream to a computer virus that had infected this list.
>
> i didn't understand the virus part at the time because it also encouraged me
> to converse with him. now i see that this invitation was for the catalyst
> that would be gained, as has been the case in other instances where i was
> acquainted with others to learn something and would eventually be forced to
> break it off in order to continue my progress. (and these were not romantic
> relationships... usually they have been people who thought they had
> something to offer spiritually, but then ended up essentially trying to use
> me for whatever reason.)
>
> >i know who alex is and he is not simon.
>
> not to be rude, but we don't know who you are! as it stands, you too are
> using a free email address, joined only 19 days ago, are not receiving
> individual email but only seeing our posts on the web, and this is the very
> first post you've made to the group. so please understand that when we're
> dealing with someone as intelligent as simon, the sky's the limit.
>
> i think that we as a group would be more than happy to hear more about
> yourself and your spiritual path - what drew you here. just please
> understand that our official position now is that tfel dogma must be rooted
> out until all "buds" have been clipped. this is what i was guided to do.
> sorry guys, but if you joined in the last 3-4 weeks and use a free email
> address, some personality identity will need to be established!
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
>
>
> in earnest,
>
> chantelle

[David Wilcock]

from: chantellejensen@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=9puvujfcohjrxwotdy9cy8dud_qxn1fnod_asl wfnivyghrtzxo36akkls5rozanwcdxigjowwgtl_hpfhgxxyjm zss) [mailto:chantellejensen@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=9puvujfcohjrxwotdy9cy8dud_qxn1fnod_asl wfnivyghrtzxo36akkls5rozanwcdxigjowwgtl_hpfhgxxyjm zss)]

if you are with the light david then why are you so afraid of the influence
of a small cult? and why do you feel the need to justify yourself so much?
why not just be true and let those with eyes to see, see?

chantelle

[david wilcock] gosh, i'm tired of this. there's one good way to insure that
it doesn't perpetuate. after tonight i won't be participating for a while
except to dole out bans if needed. for the moment, i'll address the first
question and will then move on; others can answer for me later on. please
everyone remember that questions are to be directed to the group, not to me
personally.

many people have, however irresponsibly, thought that this list represents a
consensus of what wilcock, ra and associates are here to teach: the law of
one. someone may have only read my article in spirit of maat, heard me on
art bell or seen the seminar tour, and wants to get a sense of what's going
on with this work through the group. (bzz!) wrong!

the message that was being broadcast from this small outside group was that
only a very small number of super-elites had any hope of ascending. alex's
comments had a distortion of ra as well. you don't need to overcome the ego
to make 4d positive. just be a little over 50% service to others. as we've
always said.

i guess you could say that one of my own distortions is in my dislike for
seeing this work be misrepresented. remember that ra's teachings were
corrupted by the priestly caste in egypt and turned towards sts usage, and
this was the foundation upon which future secret societies, including
gnosticism, was built. so those working with ra have a strong desire not to
see these distortions crop up again. and remember also that in the five law
of one books from 81-83, ra was vigorous about not having their message
distorted.

the key person in question has actually used 12 different addresses on this
list altogether, each of which i've now banned. when any one "personality"
was attacked or criticized with any real intelligence, that personality was
simply unsubscribed. it started to get to be like vandalism after a while
and many of us got tired of it.

so, what you think is just mr. wilcock defending himself is actually the
voices of all those who don't want to get involved and have complained
privately. now i have to be their collective voice. that means i also take
all the $#!+ for it. (as yet we have no established volunteers for
moderator.) we've lost several of our long-term members as a result of this
whole debacle, and frankly i'm not happy about that.

you see, there was a common dynamic that we had, which was comfortable and
manageable for all those getting this as ongoing email in their box. if
you're new to the group you wouldn't see that. what happened since the tfel
influx is that everything went haywire. we really don't want and don't need
self-promoters, proselytizers, et cetera, coming in here and thinking they
have free reign to essentially spam us as much as we want. since tfel
solicits donations, it does count as commercial email - unsolicited
commercial email, or spam. that was the original reason why mr. connor was
rejected back last december.

i'm sorry if it looks like i'm been an @$$ here but believe me, i'm very
tired of this and i want it to be over. please let it rest.

btw: you still didn't answer my question to help the group know that you're
not just another "head of the hydra," so to speak - and putting a first name
or initial at the bottom one space below, as you did, is one of the classic
simon signposts. remember that "u2besweet2me" has just recently told us a
little about himself, hence credibility and authenticity is established.

with simon playing these games, we're on "heightened security" for the time
being. i'm trying to do my part to speak for those who have requested that
this end, in order that our consensus may be preserved. now that i've
thoroughly gotten sick of all this stuff, i'll be layin' low for a while.

peace be with you -

- david