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David Wilcock

12-19-2000, 11:47 AM

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>hello again everyone! my latest diary entry for those who want to know the "man behind the curtain" of the asc2k website. this started as a response to "ascension (a different approach.)"
>
>actually these e-wars and book repostings have made a significant impact on my available time and i am now realistically pushing ahead the due date to the end of january as a result. (i am happy to have now made shift of the ages available to everyone and i think i am going to switch back to word 97 as my main content creator to avoid these problems in the future.) i've generated no new text since saturday, andknow that this will change today, thankfully. having shift of the ages fully functional was an important busy-work step that i needed to clear first before proceeding.
>
>my father has asked me to visit home on the 29th of this month, leaving the 31st, yet another delay. this didn't come without a struggle from me. the tickets for florida have already been bought andmy fatherknows it's a huge stress for me to have to accommodate. i'm trying to stay positive about it. i caught heck for not booking a longer trip - nobody is happy with my schedule demands these days.
>
>i'm also supposed to be in a play at the fellowship with a rehearsal tonight and a good chunk of saturday, performing christmas eve, plus a sounds of joy concertthiswednesday night. dr. izumoto is also stopping by on his way to florida sometime friday, probably for a day, and that means sushi trips, conversation, et cetera. so it's not getting any less crazy and my private space has all but evaporated! i've had insomnia because i can't shut my mind down to go to sleep when i get in this book-writing mode. last time i looked at the clock last night it was close to 4:00 a.m. and this is "morning" for me now. i'm going to get some msm and valerian tonight and use the monroe tapes to try to go to sleep at an earlier hour.
>
>but wait! there's more... the whining goes on! :^)
>
>my email box has been more active than at any time in my history. something from three days ago is almost hopelessly buried at this point - remember that there are many who do not want to subscribe to this list but nevertheless contact me. it's getting really, really, really intense. i may soon need to look into a staffing solution if the money can happen.
>
>i made free will decisions every step of the way and this is the outcome! other sources of funding have come in and made this deadline extension to late january less perilous of a choice - the lecture tour with dr. mandelker is a go! my career has just taken a quantum leap as a result.i now could go into march without needing to worry about any outside funding or responsibility - but i must realistically finish it as soon as i can so as to hopefully get it linked to cseti before the disclosure occurs. furthermore i have 21 people on the wait list for readings and two more requests came in today. i can only process a maximum of about ten a month without burning out - and that's when i'm not actively writing a book, which is channeling in its own right. 
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>i did get a huge, long reading that came through the night before last and i don't remember a word of it. i plan on transcribing that today first. these tend to be the most interesting readings; i know it was almost 60 minutes long. it's the first one of that length that i have done in probably more than a month, maybe more. it was quite spontaneous, at 4:00 in the morning. (that night i actually did get to bed by midnight, which was because i had forced myself not to work on sunday.)
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>i feel that we have reached a point where i can no longer participate in this sort of discussion. my time is catastrophically limited and i must conserve my actions for the greatest good. honestly i don't know why i have done as much as i have - most people who email me have to wait sometimes days for a response, if at all, and everyone should understand that this is by necessity, not because i am cruel and heartless.i may need to just back off from email, and clearly i must not let an emotional reaction from an email deter my focus. furthermore, i do not want others to be encouraged by thinking that if they argue with every point i make,they will be more apt to get a response from me. 
>
>but wait... still more...
>
>the study guide is not a final statement on ra's words. you cannot have an "argument" about what you haven't read! these books are a lifetime of study and i cannot do them justice by arguing about them, nor should anyone else on this list. that is not the way that ra teaches us to behave. if you don't want to study it then i'm not going to "sell" it to you. way back in early 1996 before i ever started doing my own readings, i would sit sometimes for 45 minutes and never even turn the page in the book, just meditating on what was being said until i could at least marginally understand. it is the ph.d. of channeled material and it certainly isn't for everyone. i will not "defend" my confidence in this series of teachings. if those of you reading this respect me and my opinion, that will have to suffice.
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>the choices we make are by our own free will. irecognize now that i cannotbe of service in this given conversational impasse and therefore i withdraw. that was the point of the "to learn the meaning of life... click here" email in the first place. 
>
>the law of one series is a spiritual path.itis simply not possible to argueabout something this comprehensive and all-inclusive, and perhaps this means that discussing it in this forum is inappropriate. i don't know. i think if someone wants to hear about the ra opinion for a given spiritual situation or question because they seek assistance on their path, jeremy or clark or someone else could try to answer the question based on their understandings. it does serve as a wonderful guide for all paths of inquiry, and this is not to be argued, simply experienced. don't want the experience? don't get the books and don't argue about it. i'm laying down the mantle.
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>iwill still post occasionally, and by all means everyone should be encouraged to proceed with communication - but i will not argue or defend my work or that of ra any longer. if someone wants to attack me i will have to let it stand in ugly silence for all of you to contemplate on your own, even if the monkey-mind part of me seeks to defend itself. what each person chooses through free will is right for them. this forum can exist without becoming a hindrance to my mission. i have really been suffering with all the responsibilities that i have chosen to do for others and something's gotta give. i'm under a terrific amount of stress.
>
>sorry that so many of my emails lately have been so heavy sounding. i'm actually trying to stay positive but this group cannot be considered a fire for my one-man bucket brigade when the whole rest of the city is burning. i've got even more pressure now that the "time of global harvest" workshop is a go - we want a full multimedia presentation to roll out by may. that's right. may. totally finished. think i'm not sweating? 
>
>i know that hoagland had a point where he just had to lay down his arms, back in 1996, and he since cut himself off totally from public email. his message board surges with discussion and he never reads a word of it, though they all think that he does and just ignores what they say, playing endless mindgames with each other. i will never cut myself off but i mustactively become more professional and not over-give.sorry guys.
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>i'll put up that new reading once it's done - should be interesting.
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>peace be with you -
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>- david
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<tt>david wrote:
> seriously, i'm too busy to keep doing this - but this was another warm-up!

indeed you have been posting quite a bit lately david. i hope that doesn't mean we will have to wait any longer
for ciii. hehehehe. in that sense i don't want to keep engaging you on these points but (maybe someone else
will take up the reigns so you can get back to work....)

>
> dr. mandelker has a ph.d. in east-west psychology and spent many years living in ashrams, touring through the "hot spots" and seeking enlightenment. he is about as much of an expert on these systems of philosophy as was thomas merton before him, truly a rare breed. and in his estimation, the law of one series has fused all of these teachings together so clearly and cleanly that it is "the single most important source of written teaching [he] has ever encountered." as in - the best parts of all teachings that got these guys where they are can all be found in the law of one series.

this is not surprising but what does it mean? what are the 'best parts' of these teachings? and what about those
points which these teaching touch on which are not addressed by the law of one? are these the 'bad parts'? that
the law of one encompasses all of this, is that added merit to the law of one teaching or the teachings which it
encompases? these questions are fasisously (sp) serious.

>
> i know i must sound like a broken record, but really it's quite simple. ra gave us the blueprints for how each of these souls got where they got. it involves clearing the blockages at each chakra level, which also corresponds to that density and the karmic lessons for that density, until you get to a point where you have some degree of balanced flow between all of them. once this is open to at least a minimal degree, you have access to the violet-ray center which can allow you to perform ascended feats. i'm not there yet though i can tap into the akashics, heal people, effect electronics and get telekinetic effects on smaller scales, usually spontaneously. and the psychic function is certainly not lacking.

please don't take this as an attack but i find it interesting that ra can proclaim that which the majority of these
souls adamently proclaim words cannot express. what you say sounds good and logical and any other number of
words which can describe it, but i'd be willing to bet if this was explained to an ascended master as what they did
to ascend, they would partake in the heartiest of laughter.

after this point david, i'm not sure if you are speaking directly to me or to the forum as a whole.

>
> now you get into the finesse of how do you face yourself on every level of being: forgiveness of self, acceptance of self, direction of will, becoming the creator. it all comes back to self-acceptance and forgiveness, and "service to others becomes automatic at this point." best way to figure out where the hotspots are? dreamwork. if you're not taking notes on the messages from your higher self then you're not going to find out the problem anywhere near as quickly, if at all. that's why i took the time to give everyone that checklist. if you remember a dream and run it through the checklist, you will be able to decode it, at least partially, if you follow the formula. but don't email me and ask me to do it for you! this is your gig, and it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing! and you've gotta put the grr in swinger, baby!
>
> most clients of mine need to hear messages that go all the way back to very early in their life, and they have gone a lifetime without figuring it out. why do you think they've got their astrology, their parents, their trends in life? think that was all accidental or coincidental? not. i simply tie together their stuff with mom, dad, relationships, jobs, prosperity attitude, body esteem, diet and health and voila! suddenly it all fits together. my dream nails it, the reading comes in to explain it. most of the time it's so obvious i really don't even need to do the dream or reading. it's always the victim thing. whichever parent victimized you the most shows you which aspect of yourself feels more disconnected from god. and you'll discover that you're still making the same mistakes.
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> talk to mom if she's still around. forgive, accept, direct, become. love yourself, nurture yourself. projection-wise, what comes out in this forum shows the issues black and white. (dr. perls: "look to what the person accuses you of saying, doing or being, and there you find the real subconscious issues with self that they haven't faced and are still upset about.") someone wasn't available enough.
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> the reason why i'm here and doing what i'm doing is that at every stage of the battle, i have faced myself, accepted, integrated and gone up the ladder. lost 85 pounds, quit getting high, quit meat / sugar / fried food / dairy / white flour / et cetera, exercised, stopped hating myself, stopped worrying, meditated, studied, gained wisdom, directed creativity, practiced compassion and service to others, made a commitment to dedicate my life to healing this planet in the way i knew best. that's all that these other guys have done as well, and everybody reaches their own notch. there's a good reading early along in the archives on my site about jesus, saying that even though there was a plan, he had to make conscious choices every step of the way to become that person.
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> there's no shortcut - no etherium gold powder under the tongue that will blast you into a higher level of being. get on your ****-wading boots and prepare to unclog the cesspool of the monkey mind. i'm serious. slow down your thoughts, get control of yourself, stop fluttering like a moth in front of a lightbulb, never giving yourself a breather from chatter-chatter-chatter in the head. how is this done? forgive, accept, direct, become. simple equation. knowledge is easy, application is freakin' hard.
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> you don't walk the path of the master by making one choice, one day - you have to go back through your entire life, "defrag" every time where you didn't make the optimal choices for your own highest good, relive those times in the dream plane, "do the right thing," make the better choice, heal yourself, see how it works in your life now, integrate the information, put your knowledge into application, keep on working.
>
> it's not something easy - it is a constant process. the more you do this, the more your life will be filled with joy, synchronicity, blessings, love, wisdom, compassion, intelligence. i am so much smarter than i was before i went on this diet and self-transformation path; there's a significant gain in iq points, not to mention simple popularity because everybody wants to feel your light. yes, you make tons of sacrifices that the ego doesn't like. you give up all your addictions, habits, dietetic hangups, anger - "there is no such thing as an emotionally charged situation. there are only two choices - to be of service or to withdraw from the situation." i still blow that one sometimes.
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> the tools for how to do all this are in every reading on the site! question is: are you ready to do the homework on self instead of looking for the magic panacea, the "one thing" that's suddenly going to make it all fit together?
>
> what feelings of limitation hold you back from being able to accept our immediate future transformation? did god abandon you somewhere along the line? is it "too fantastic" to be true? too "perfect?" do i need to beat you over the head with science to convince you that this is really going to happen? well, that's-a what i'm-a gonna do in the next book, if i haven't already done enough.
>
> if you're not studying the law of one or are not inclined to study it, (and the study guide works best in conjunction with the books themselves, it is not a stand-alone,) then you're not really going to understand why we keep wanting to divert the flow of conversation back that way. all of your questions are answered quite well therein.
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> even the hard-nosed skeptic will have a very hard time denying the case that there is to be some form of energetic shift on our planet in the near future after reading c-iii. essentially, you cannot deny that it is happening now, because it fits so perfectly with the physics. all that you can do is to quibble about what it will actually "do" to each human being. and i feel that ra has given us the best answer.
>

okay lets talk metaphor's here because what you detail here is absoultely beautiful and really does get at the
heart of the topic of ascension, but it is all but only a metaphor. the same goes for all religious texts, all the ra
material, all the seth material, all surgeon general warnings, and generally speaking all things. that you can
share this metaphor with others in such an eloquent manner is beautiful. that it has done so much to improve
the lives of yourself and others is equally beautiful. but if you or anyone else regards it as more than a
metaphor, then for all the beauty that is entailed within it, it has limited your progress.

what is the purpose of these metaphors? the diamond sutra states (watch out i've started going to sources),
"all things are caused by me - that i may attain liberation nirvana" (paraphrased). let me explain this a bit
further. as said by the buddha 'caused by me' does not mean me as an individual nature but as entailing the
whole of everything, without ego or individual identity. as such the cause and the effect are the same. there is
no doer separate from what is done. you are the metaphor you create. as you refine that metaphor you refine
yourself. refining that metaphor is broadening it to encompass all causes/effects, or all things, which in turn
broadens you to encompass all things until the ego is removed and one rejoins all things, thereby attaining
liberation or ascending. at the same time the diamond sutra would be careful to express that this is not the way.
the way is unreal. this is merely called the way.

okay let me go one step further. ra is said to be a sixth density being. as such ra is still able to interact with
us here in the third density as individuals. but ra is not ra, ra is merely called ra. the sixth density is not the
sixth density it is merely called the sixth density. what is my point? where while you may say that ra and the
ra material capture the best parts of all the previous ascended souls, by no means has ra or the material ra
presents shown that ra has achieved any wisdom beyond them. taking the diamond sutra alone, that ra still
relates in an ego manner (no i am not saying ra is egotistical) shows his limits. he professes this as being only
a sixth density being which we think of as higher than us and thus the metaphor presented (like most other
metaphors of the kind) amaze us with what they entail. but fundamentally ra and the law of one are not ra or
the law of one they are merely called such. they are but the metaphors.

the primary danger (this is not a scare tactic) of metaphors is the human tendency to reify them. this is derrived
from our desires to know. we yearn in some sense (even the most humble of us) for some sense of certainty
and search the metaphor for truth, turning those things which please us about the metaphor into reality. what
reification does however is begin slowing the metaphor down until it becomes real. explained better, the truth is
fluid and ever changing. metaphors flow with the truth and as such we are able to learn from them. but if we reify
the metaphors, they potentially can become real, solid, still and thus no longer abide in the motion of truth.

i wrote:
> p.s. here's a question (okay 2): if there were no on-coming harvest would you honestly be prepared to cultivate
> mind, body and soul in preparation for ascension? was there ever a time when there wasn't an on-coming
> harvest to inspire human souls to pursue cultivation? refine your metaphor.

this is similar to a favorite question for me to pose to christians - could you follow the teachings of christ if there
were no jesus? and the follow-up - because the teachings of christ exist with or without jesus.

in the seven taoist masters (with regard to the second question), the queen of all things proclaims that she will
share the nectre of the sacred fruit on a specific day and that this fruit would not bloom again for ten thousand
years (again i am paraphrasing). tasting this fruit is the crowning of immortality, but in order to taste one must
have already ascended prior to the set date. is this not similar to the coming of a harvest in which one must walk
the ascension path to reap the benefits of the harvest? would not the coming of this event be as critical to a
taoist at the time as the on-coming harvest is to you?

okay i've said enough for now, but there is more. i'm about to go on vacation for a month so....

incarnations
korga

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Jeremy Weiland

12-19-2000, 12:42 PM

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> finally!!! i'm glad that you've made the decision to let events and discussion here on the list play themselves out - i was always more and more surprised every time you posted on the list, and you ended up becoming the most frequent poster of us all, which was completely contrary to the lists purpose, if i understand the reason for which you created this list after all. 
> i'm not sure if anything posted on this list qualifies as an attack, but i can *certainly* understand the impulse to address questions pertaining to one's life work, especially when they're shoved in your face everytime you check your e-mail. it certainly seems like a high stress time (it *is* xmas!) and the last thing that anybody wants is for you to overwork yourself.
> if i understand your reasons for creating this list, it was so we could discuss this stuff. yes, there will be inaccuracies in our arguments, and we willno doubtmake errors in theoretical and spiritual facts. but i think you are making the right choice of concentrating on a book, a source that we can all check our arguments against, instead of addressing each issue we bring up on the fly. i would go as far as to say youshould check this list very infrequently, as it can only stress you out as we hack through the mountains of information as we surely will. you're doing a good job,but it's not your job to play referee!!!
> hope everything goes well for you on your trip and you can get through this stressful holiday season!
> just to address one thing you wrote: although i will try to accurately answer any questions i can about david's work and related stuff, i am not an expert.clark is more learned on this stuff than i am; i still have a very very very very very long way to go.
> but if i can travel this path with you guys's company that would be just great!
> love and light,
> jeremy
> p.s. hopefully this will not get a response from david! ;^)
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>

>hello again everyone! my latest diary entry for those who want to know the "man behind the curtain" of the asc2k website. this started as a response to "ascension (a different approach.)"
>
>actually these e-wars and book repostings have made a significant impact on my available time and i am now realistically pushing ahead the due date to the end of january as a result. (i am happy to have now made shift of the ages available to everyone and i think i am going to switch back to word 97 as my main content creator to avoid these problems in the future.) i've generated no new text since saturday, andknow that this will change today, thankfully. having shift of the ages fully functional was an important busy-work step that i needed to clear first before proceeding.
>
>my father has asked me to visit home on the 29th of this month, leaving the 31st, yet another delay. this didn't come without a struggle from me. the tickets for florida have already been bought andmy fatherknows it's a huge stress for me to have to accommodate. i'm trying to stay positive about it. i caught heck for not booking a longer trip - nobody is happy with my schedule demands these days.
>
>i'm also supposed to be in a play at the fellowship with a rehearsal tonight and a good chunk of saturday, performing christmas eve, plus a sounds of joy concertthiswednesday night. dr. izumoto is also stopping by on his way to florida sometime friday, probably for a day, and that means sushi trips, conversation, et cetera. so it's not getting any less crazy and my private space has all but evaporated! i've had insomnia because i can't shut my mind down to go to sleep when i get in this book-writing mode. last time i looked at the clock last night it was close to 4:00 a.m. and this is "morning" for me now. i'm going to get some msm and valerian tonight and use the monroe tapes to try to go to sleep at an earlier hour.
>
>but wait! there's more... the whining goes on! :^)
>
>my email box has been more active than at any time in my history. something from three days ago is almost hopelessly buried at this point - remember that there are many who do not want to subscribe to this list but nevertheless contact me. it's getting really, really, really intense. i may soon need to look into a staffing solution if the money can happen.
>
>i made free will decisions every step of the way and this is the outcome! other sources of funding have come in and made this deadline extension to late january less perilous of a choice - the lecture tour with dr. mandelker is a go! my career has just taken a quantum leap as a result.i now could go into march without needing to worry about any outside funding or responsibility - but i must realistically finish it as soon as i can so as to hopefully get it linked to cseti before the disclosure occurs. furthermore i have 21 people on the wait list for readings and two more requests came in today. i can only process a maximum of about ten a month without burning out - and that's when i'm not actively writing a book, which is channeling in its own right. 
>
>i did get a huge, long reading that came through the night before last and i don't remember a word of it. i plan on transcribing that today first. these tend to be the most interesting readings; i know it was almost 60 minutes long. it's the first one of that length that i have done in probably more than a month, maybe more. it was quite spontaneous, at 4:00 in the morning. (that night i actually did get to bed by midnight, which was because i had forced myself not to work on sunday.)
>
>i feel that we have reached a point where i can no longer participate in this sort of discussion. my time is catastrophically limited and i must conserve my actions for the greatest good. honestly i don't know why i have done as much as i have - most people who email me have to wait sometimes days for a response, if at all, and everyone should understand that this is by necessity, not because i am cruel and heartless.i may need to just back off from email, and clearly i must not let an emotional reaction from an email deter my focus. furthermore, i do not want others to be encouraged by thinking that if they argue with every point i make,they will be more apt to get a response from me. 
>
>but wait... still more...
>
>the study guide is not a final statement on ra's words. you cannot have an "argument" about what you haven't read! these books are a lifetime of study and i cannot do them justice by arguing about them, nor should anyone else on this list. that is not the way that ra teaches us to behave. if you don't want to study it then i'm not going to "sell" it to you. way back in early 1996 before i ever started doing my own readings, i would sit sometimes for 45 minutes and never even turn the page in the book, just meditating on what was being said until i could at least marginally understand. it is the ph.d. of channeled material and it certainly isn't for everyone. i will not "defend" my confidence in this series of teachings. if those of you reading this respect me and my opinion, that will have to suffice.
>
>the choices we make are by our own free will. irecognize now that i cannotbe of service in this given conversational impasse and therefore i withdraw. that was the point of the "to learn the meaning of life... click here" email in the first place. 
>
>the law of one series is a spiritual path.itis simply not possible to argueabout something this comprehensive and all-inclusive, and perhaps this means that discussing it in this forum is inappropriate. i don't know. i think if someone wants to hear about the ra opinion for a given spiritual situation or question because they seek assistance on their path, jeremy or clark or someone else could try to answer the question based on their understandings. it does serve as a wonderful guide for all paths of inquiry, and this is not to be argued, simply experienced. don't want the experience? don't get the books and don't argue about it. i'm laying down the mantle.
>
>iwill still post occasionally, and by all means everyone should be encouraged to proceed with communication - but i will not argue or defend my work or that of ra any longer. if someone wants to attack me i will have to let it stand in ugly silence for all of you to contemplate on your own, even if the monkey-mind part of me seeks to defend itself. what each person chooses through free will is right for them. this forum can exist without becoming a hindrance to my mission. i have really been suffering with all the responsibilities that i have chosen to do for others and something's gotta give. i'm under a terrific amount of stress.
>
>sorry that so many of my emails lately have been so heavy sounding. i'm actually trying to stay positive but this group cannot be considered a fire for my one-man bucket brigade when the whole rest of the city is burning. i've got even more pressure now that the "time of global harvest" workshop is a go - we want a full multimedia presentation to roll out by may. that's right. may. totally finished. think i'm not sweating? 
>
>i know that hoagland had a point where he just had to lay down his arms, back in 1996, and he since cut himself off totally from public email. his message board surges with discussion and he never reads a word of it, though they all think that he does and just ignores what they say, playing endless mindgames with each other. i will never cut myself off but i mustactively become more professional and not over-give.sorry guys.
>
>i'll put up that new reading once it's done - should be interesting.
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
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style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black">from: korga@hotmail.com
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<tt>david wrote:
> seriously, i'm too busy to keep doing this - but this was another warm-up!

indeed you have been posting quite a bit lately david. i hope that doesn't mean we will have to wait any longer
for ciii. hehehehe. in that sense i don't want to keep engaging you on these points but (maybe someone else
will take up the reigns so you can get back to work....)

>
> dr. mandelker has a ph.d. in east-west psychology and spent many years living in ashrams, touring through the "hot spots" and seeking enlightenment. he is about as much of an expert on these systems of philosophy as was thomas merton before him, truly a rare breed. and in his estimation, the law of one series has fused all of these teachings together so clearly and cleanly that it is "the single most important source of written teaching [he] has ever encountered." as in - the best parts of all teachings that got these guys where they are can all be found in the law of one series.

this is not surprising but what does it mean? what are the 'best parts' of these teachings? and what about those
points which these teaching touch on which are not addressed by the law of one? are these the 'bad parts'? that
the law of one encompasses all of this, is that added merit to the law of one teaching or the teachings which it
encompases? these questions are fasisously (sp) serious.

>
> i know i must sound like a broken record, but really it's quite simple. ra gave us the blueprints for how each of these souls got where they got. it involves clearing the blockages at each chakra level, which also corresponds to that density and the karmic lessons for that density, until you get to a point where you have some degree of balanced flow between all of them. once this is open to at least a minimal degree, you have access to the violet-ray center which can allow you to perform ascended feats. i'm not there yet though i can tap into the akashics, heal people, effect electronics and get telekinetic effects on smaller scales, usually spontaneously. and the psychic function is certainly not lacking.

please don't take this as an attack but i find it interesting that ra can proclaim that which the majority of these
souls adamently proclaim words cannot express. what you say sounds good and logical and any other number of
words which can describe it, but i'd be willing to bet if this was explained to an ascended master as what they did
to ascend, they would partake in the heartiest of laughter.

after this point david, i'm not sure if you are speaking directly to me or to the forum as a whole.

>
> now you get into the finesse of how do you face yourself on every level of being: forgiveness of self, acceptance of self, direction of will, becoming the creator. it all comes back to self-acceptance and forgiveness, and "service to others becomes automatic at this point." best way to figure out where the hotspots are? dreamwork. if you're not taking notes on the messages from your higher self then you're not going to find out the problem anywhere near as quickly, if at all. that's why i took the time to give everyone that checklist. if you remember a dream and run it through the checklist, you will be able to decode it, at least partially, if you follow the formula. but don't email me and ask me to do it for you! this is your gig, and it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing! and you've gotta put the grr in swinger, baby!
>
> most clients of mine need to hear messages that go all the way back to very early in their life, and they have gone a lifetime without figuring it out. why do you think they've got their astrology, their parents, their trends in life? think that was all accidental or coincidental? not. i simply tie together their stuff with mom, dad, relationships, jobs, prosperity attitude, body esteem, diet and health and voila! suddenly it all fits together. my dream nails it, the reading comes in to explain it. most of the time it's so obvious i really don't even need to do the dream or reading. it's always the victim thing. whichever parent victimized you the most shows you which aspect of yourself feels more disconnected from god. and you'll discover that you're still making the same mistakes.
>
> talk to mom if she's still around. forgive, accept, direct, become. love yourself, nurture yourself. projection-wise, what comes out in this forum shows the issues black and white. (dr. perls: "look to what the person accuses you of saying, doing or being, and there you find the real subconscious issues with self that they haven't faced and are still upset about.") someone wasn't available enough.
>
> the reason why i'm here and doing what i'm doing is that at every stage of the battle, i have faced myself, accepted, integrated and gone up the ladder. lost 85 pounds, quit getting high, quit meat / sugar / fried food / dairy / white flour / et cetera, exercised, stopped hating myself, stopped worrying, meditated, studied, gained wisdom, directed creativity, practiced compassion and service to others, made a commitment to dedicate my life to healing this planet in the way i knew best. that's all that these other guys have done as well, and everybody reaches their own notch. there's a good reading early along in the archives on my site about jesus, saying that even though there was a plan, he had to make conscious choices every step of the way to become that person.
>
> there's no shortcut - no etherium gold powder under the tongue that will blast you into a higher level of being. get on your ****-wading boots and prepare to unclog the cesspool of the monkey mind. i'm serious. slow down your thoughts, get control of yourself, stop fluttering like a moth in front of a lightbulb, never giving yourself a breather from chatter-chatter-chatter in the head. how is this done? forgive, accept, direct, become. simple equation. knowledge is easy, application is freakin' hard.
>
> you don't walk the path of the master by making one choice, one day - you have to go back through your entire life, "defrag" every time where you didn't make the optimal choices for your own highest good, relive those times in the dream plane, "do the right thing," make the better choice, heal yourself, see how it works in your life now, integrate the information, put your knowledge into application, keep on working.
>
> it's not something easy - it is a constant process. the more you do this, the more your life will be filled with joy, synchronicity, blessings, love, wisdom, compassion, intelligence. i am so much smarter than i was before i went on this diet and self-transformation path; there's a significant gain in iq points, not to mention simple popularity because everybody wants to feel your light. yes, you make tons of sacrifices that the ego doesn't like. you give up all your addictions, habits, dietetic hangups, anger - "there is no such thing as an emotionally charged situation. there are only two choices - to be of service or to withdraw from the situation." i still blow that one sometimes.
>
> the tools for how to do all this are in every reading on the site! question is: are you ready to do the homework on self instead of looking for the magic panacea, the "one thing" that's suddenly going to make it all fit together?
>
> what feelings of limitation hold you back from being able to accept our immediate future transformation? did god abandon you somewhere along the line? is it "too fantastic" to be true? too "perfect?" do i need to beat you over the head with science to convince you that this is really going to happen? well, that's-a what i'm-a gonna do in the next book, if i haven't already done enough.
>
> if you're not studying the law of one or are not inclined to study it, (and the study guide works best in conjunction with the books themselves, it is not a stand-alone,) then you're not really going to understand why we keep wanting to divert the flow of conversation back that way. all of your questions are answered quite well therein.
>
> even the hard-nosed skeptic will have a very hard time denying the case that there is to be some form of energetic shift on our planet in the near future after reading c-iii. essentially, you cannot deny that it is happening now, because it fits so perfectly with the physics. all that you can do is to quibble about what it will actually "do" to each human being. and i feel that ra has given us the best answer.
>

okay lets talk metaphor's here because what you detail here is absoultely beautiful and really does get at the
heart of the topic of ascension, but it is all but only a metaphor. the same goes for all religious texts, all the ra
material, all the seth material, all surgeon general warnings, and generally speaking all things. that you can
share this metaphor with others in such an eloquent manner is beautiful. that it has done so much to improve
the lives of yourself and others is equally beautiful. but if you or anyone else regards it as more than a
metaphor, then for all the beauty that is entailed within it, it has limited your progress.

what is the purpose of these metaphors? the diamond sutra states (watch out i've started going to sources),
"all things are caused by me - that i may attain liberation nirvana" (paraphrased). let me explain this a bit
further. as said by the buddha 'caused by me' does not mean me as an individual nature but as entailing the
whole of everything, without ego or individual identity. as such the cause and the effect are the same. there is
no doer separate from what is done. you are the metaphor you create. as you refine that metaphor you refine
yourself. refining that metaphor is broadening it to encompass all causes/effects, or all things, which in turn
broadens you to encompass all things until the ego is removed and one rejoins all things, thereby attaining
liberation or ascending. at the same time the diamond sutra would be careful to express that this is not the way.
the way is unreal. this is merely called the way.

okay let me go one step further. ra is said to be a sixth density being. as such ra is still able to interact with
us here in the third density as individuals. but ra is not ra, ra is merely called ra. the sixth density is not the
sixth density it is merely called the sixth density. what is my point? where while you may say that ra and the
ra material capture the best parts of all the previous ascended souls, by no means has ra or the material ra
presents shown that ra has achieved any wisdom beyond them. taking the diamond sutra alone, that ra still
relates in an ego manner (no i am not saying ra is egotistical) shows his limits. he professes this as being only
a sixth density being which we think of as higher than us and thus the metaphor presented (like most other
metaphors of the kind) amaze us with what they entail. but fundamentally ra and the law of one are not ra or
the law of one they are merely called such. they are but the metaphors.

the primary danger (this is not a scare tactic) of metaphors is the human tendency to reify them. this is derrived
from our desires to know. we yearn in some sense (even the most humble of us) for some sense of certainty
and search the metaphor for truth, turning those things which please us about the metaphor into reality. what
reification does however is begin slowing the metaphor down until it becomes real. explained better, the truth is
fluid and ever changing. metaphors flow with the truth and as such we are able to learn from them. but if we reify
the metaphors, they potentially can become real, solid, still and thus no longer abide in the motion of truth.

i wrote:
> p.s. here's a question (okay 2): if there were no on-coming harvest would you honestly be prepared to cultivate
> mind, body and soul in preparation for ascension? was there ever a time when there wasn't an on-coming
> harvest to inspire human souls to pursue cultivation? refine your metaphor.

this is similar to a favorite question for me to pose to christians - could you follow the teachings of christ if there
were no jesus? and the follow-up - because the teachings of christ exist with or without jesus.

in the seven taoist masters (with regard to the second question), the queen of all things proclaims that she will
share the nectre of the sacred fruit on a specific day and that this fruit would not bloom again for ten thousand
years (again i am paraphrasing). tasting this fruit is the crowning of immortality, but in order to taste one must
have already ascended prior to the set date. is this not similar to the coming of a harvest in which one must walk
the ascension path to reap the benefits of the harvest? would not the coming of this event be as critical to a
taoist at the time as the on-coming harvest is to you?

okay i've said enough for now, but there is more. i'm about to go on vacation for a month so....

incarnations
korga

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korga@...

12-19-2000, 01:58 PM

those of you who have followed my posts may recall an earlier message in which i
stated who i was (somewhat)
and what i was about. the reason i sent this message is because i know that my
questions are not always the
ones people want to be asked. as such i'm not neccessarily a favorite. but i
don't mind this i've actually come
to accept it and as such try as i can to present myself in a non-threatening
manner (hey i'm harmless...).

with regard to this forum, first let me say i love david's work. i think it is
a testament of our times and that he
has managed to capture so much of the metaphor and draw the different
connections is absolutely beautiful. i
will admit that while i have read some of the ra material, i do not study it.
there have been many other similar
texts all proclaiming as much truth as the law of one which i have dedicated my
time to. in addition my
metaphor doesn't require the complete consumption of this material to continue
its refinement. now that said
everyone on this list can completely disregard anything that i have already
proposed by saying, 'he hasn't read
all of the ra material so he doesn't know' but in the same vain i can say you
haven't read all of "thinking in
destiny" or any of the other books i have read and studied. there was an
implication in david's post that i had
only read the study guide and as such just didn't understand (which was an
assumption because i'm pretty sure
this is the first time i am even mentioning whether or not i read the material
or the study guide, and incidently i
haven't read the study guide but instead read from the material itself). if the
material weren't given to us by ra
and volumed as the law of one would it still be valid? if the answer to that is
yes then why all this concern with
one set of documents. surely we don't think that truth is exclusive like that.
and if not then there may be points
which are not addressed by ra which might help us further refine our metaphors
even beyond that which has been
given to us by ra. these are the points that i raise, yet they are not delt
with. countless times i have stated
that i am not trying to attack the ra material but really trying to keep from
the narrowing of perception which
arises through the reification of that which is not real.

what is the purpose of this forum. jeremy suggests it is discussion of david's
work. david's work deals with the
physics of ascension. but what of the metaphysics of ascension. surely we
don't think that ascension is but only
a physical thing. that david doesn't (in my estimation and this not a critique)
deal with this, does it mean it
should not be discussed on this board? i would hope not. in my opinion the
metaphysics of ascension is of even
more consequence than the physics of ascension because (and again this is not a
critique) the physics don't really
exist.

to be perfectly honest i'm not sure how to feel anymore. i mean as it stands i
have proposed to this forum
countless observations about the metaphors we use with no true response. i
wonder whether people don't care,
don't think its important, or perhaps just think i'm just trying to stir up
trouble and don't wish to fuel me on. if
any of those are the case then perhaps i should stop posting. but i do believe
that i have touched on some very
serious points here and while people may choose to ignore them they do not
disappear. i thought that this
forum would be the place to openly and honestly discuss these things but.... it
would be understandable to me if
people just despised what i had to say and were trying to shut me up. but for
over sixty people to have no
response to these critical issues... quite honestly that's frighening.

incarnations
korga

korga@...

12-19-2000, 02:05 PM

one more thing - david please finish up your work as i am dying for new
material. my posts were not to pull you
into the discussion but rather to pull others in. that you were able to
contribute so much i am thankful but i do
not want you to focus your time on me. i hope you don't think that i have been
attacking or attempting to
undermine your work as that is by no means my intent. we seek the same thing we
just use different
metaphors.

incarnations
korga

Jeremy Weiland

12-19-2000, 03:20 PM

these are just some opinions about the list and your recent post that i
thought i would run by you, korga. i hope you will take it in the way it
was meant.

>>with regard to this forum, first let me say i love david's
>>work. i think it is a testament of our times and that he has

then you can understand how it is important to him that what is discussed on
the list bearing his work's name is a true representation of what his work
is about.

>>to. in addition my metaphor doesn't require the complete
>>consumption of this material to continue its refinement. now

nor is anyone requiring you to. i think the whole issue here is whether
the discussion pertains to david's work tangentally or as the core of the
discussion.

>>that said everyone on this list can completely disregard
>>anything that i have already proposed by saying, 'he hasn't
>>read all of the ra material so he doesn't know' but in the
>>same vain i can say you haven't read all of "thinking in
>>destiny" or any of the other books i have read and studied.

nobody is disregarding what you say b/c you haven't read the ra
material. i don't think that is the proper basis for disregarding another's
post. it's simply that you're not on the same page as those who are here to
study david's work and the works he endorses (for lack of a better term).
obviously, your posts are going to be a little deviant from the general
theme of this list if you're not on the same path as us. and since david
created the list, ultimately he is the one that gets to set that theme. and
since most of the people who are on the list are here to study this
collection of work, it should be the kernel of conversation on this list,
imho. this doesn't mean that other topics and works cannot be introduced,
but they should have something to do with the theme of the list, which is
study of these works.
i'm not saying that this is what anybody was/is doing, but imho the
worst thing that could happen to this list is for it to become a list to
discuss another person's/ other people's work exclusively, simply ignoring
the fact that the list is set up as an extension of the asc2k work.

>>there was an implication in david's post that i had only read
>>the study guide and as such just didn't understand (which

i saw no such implication; rather, i saw merely a statement that some people
<polite tone> "do not know what they are talking about" if they are talking
about ra and haven't studied ra.

>>but instead read from the material itself). if the material
>>weren't given to us by ra and volumed as the law of one
>>would it still be valid? if the answer to that is yes then why
>>all this concern with one set of documents. surely we don't
>>think that truth is exclusive like that. and if not then there

it's not a question of overall spiritual "validity"; it's a question of
whether it is on-topic or not. the central item of study on this list is
david's work and the work that he endorses. you can disagree with these
works, but it doesn't change the fact that this is what the topic here is.
this is not really a good place to "argue" per se (and i'm being very
careful here in my choice of words!) against the work because we need some
foundation on which to have discussions. if you do not find that this work
or what is on this list is something that helps you on your path, withdraw.
you very well may be best served by another course of spiritual study. but
here, we try to concentrate as much as possible on one "flavor" of the
universal curriculum, the one that david has brought into existance. the
purpose of the list is to further an understanding of this, imho, not to
argue about whether it's right or wrong.

>>may be points which are not addressed by ra which might
>>help us further refine our metaphors even beyond that which
>>has been given to us by ra. these are the points that i
>>raise, yet they are not delt with. countless times i have
>>stated that i am not trying to attack the ra material but
>>really trying to keep from the narrowing of perception which
>>arises through the reification of that which is not real.

and for you, this is the path that you are treading and need to tread at
this point in time. if you don't agree with the asc2k work, then it is not
prudent for you to continue to study it. but this is not the place to try
to disprove it.
certainly, if you see david's work as reifying the unreal, this may be a
sign that, if you have carefully considered his work, and i'm sure you have,
that it is not right for you. i see his emphasis on the physics of
ascension as merely a way of understanding it for those who are still on
this physical plane. it's called being "in" the world, but not "of" the
world.

>>what is the purpose of this forum. jeremy suggests it is
>>discussion of david's work. david's work deals with the
>>physics of ascension. but what of the metaphysics of
>>ascension. surely we don't think that ascension is but only
>>a physical thing. that david doesn't (in my estimation and
>>this not a critique) deal with this, does it mean it should not
>>be discussed on this board? i would hope not. in my

it's not discussed? then i don't know what you mean by "metaphysics." if
you mean the spiritual implications of ascension, it most certainly is. if
you mean that it doesn't discuss what *your* definition of ascension is,
then no, it isn't metaphysical :-)

>>to be perfectly honest i'm not sure how to feel anymore. i
>>mean as it stands i have proposed to this forum countless
>>observations about the metaphors we use with no true
>>response. i wonder whether people don't care, don't think
>>its important, or perhaps just think i'm just trying to stir up
>>trouble and don't wish to fuel me on. if any of those are
>>the case then perhaps i should stop posting. but i do

although it is true that you have brought up some interesting points,
i'd like to just say two quick things. one, we need some common ground to
discuss these philosophical issues that you bring up. if we haven't both
read the works or done the thinking (whether yours, ours, or david's) then
this list will be very inefficient method of discussion, and it will be
frustrating to those who try to keep up. two, and don't take this the wrong
way, but nobody is obligated to reply to your posts, no matter what their
reason is.

>>disappear. i thought that this forum would be the place to
>>openly and honestly discuss these things but.... it would be
>>understandable to me if people just despised what i had to
>>say and were trying to shut me up. but for over sixty people
>>to have no response to these critical issues... quite honestly
>>that's frighening.

no, perhaps you haven't found the right forum for your topics and ideas,
and perhaps we're not the ones that need your form of catalyst at that time.
i don't think anyone, including myself, bear you any ill will. this is a
normal event on these types of electronic mailing lists, where we're trying
to find the sorts of themes and rules we're gonna have on the list.
i've been corrected by david too, but it's certainly not meant to be
personal, i can assure you. i have met david and he is a very warm,
friendly person who is not at all spiteful or vindictive. he is, however,
protective of his work, and what we need to understand is that the nature of
the internet poses all sorts of challenges to a new piece of work. anybody
who has put the time and care into a piece of work like david has would feel
compelled to clarify points when people misunderstand or misstate things, or
to defend it when they feel the work is being attacked. we should all do
our best here on the asc2k list to encourage this work and make sure that
those who have questions will get answers.
i hope that you will stay korga but if you chose to leave i wish you
luck and light on your path.

love and light,
jeremy

Clark stewart

12-19-2000, 06:48 PM

gheee thanx jeremy and david for all the props,

to all the new comers welcome to group..!

not sure how much time i will have either for debating and discussion, but i
love a good challenge. so if anyone is stumped don't be shy.
after reading one of the last letters, i saw how frustrated dw was w his
software, and i definetly know how he feels, as i work quite intensively on
the cpu as well.....
i also remember back to 97 when dw was just getting things up w his site. i
knew intuitively the connection between him and cayce, but on the skeptical
hand i had to dig (reassurance/concreteness)..so for all those new peeps you
should not go along w anything, and dig deep and prove everything to your
self, then you'll start seeing the connections and learn to work w intuition
more and more. try to find balance between the two; intuition and logic,
harmony...for we and everything are vibrations of light.

so i have no life now and study the mysteries of the cosmos day in and day
out.
ok, well what i seem to gravitate towards, timewise anyways; dietary
alternatives (look up the dietic no-nos list , should be inthe archive
section of the site)
\actually took me 2-3yrs to figure out what dw was talking about...well not
to say w everything/anything.
for ex the above list ref, is about microbacteria infected foods..
a lot were obvious on the list, like mushrooms (fungi in nature), some
wern;t..
now i have many friends who don't understand what the big deal is w eating
anything, especially when be "picky".
and really if you don't plan on using the extra nrg, that would be spent on
digestion processes, and nutrient leaching for dreaming, or other m/b/s
function/harmonization.. then i guess what is the diff, goto mcdonalds then
eh!!
honestly, i didn't know about extra nrg usage until dw, and yah i still
flipflop bk to bad patterns, like when i was young and nothing really
mattered, (eat/drink crap, smoke pot, ) but i now know what i am here for,
and hindering my process w refined goods becomes quite obvious..no dreaming
now sucks, i feel retarted, like missing a significant part of the day..

find your limits, what am i like on a good dietic/ex program, what am i like
on a ****ty program...you see...parameters
i decided that the people need alternatives for dairy, meat, refined
goods... so i started experiementing in the kitchen and finally decided
that i would build a mobile kitchen/trialer and it will be up and running
next spring...
so a better program will be easier to obtain..realize...
and on that note am looking to franchise the concepts globally...
i come to the people, not them to me, so for those who are lazy and go for
the hotdog stand, i really fell it is time for a alternative..
and mobility is the sign of the times..

other areas of mine; sacred geometry ..which i have begun to implement on a
clothing line, which is printing this wk!!
talk about caos, rush rush x-mas season..well will have a site up soon for
you peeps interested..
i have been looking for how to introduce such topics into mainstream and
clothing seems like a good facit, like you got a t-shirt and the tag is
basically your key to unlocking the knowledge we have yet to remember, if
you choose..

crazy as this may sound, i am working w a friend who is a video editer from
universal, and my life long dream has been to create movies, but i seemed to
think that was to glamouress, and my ego definelty dosen't need anymore
att..
but now it seems like it is quite feasable...it is this info esp ci/cii that
have made me realize how important this film would be to the populase world
wide..gota set-up a trailer 2-3min..
wish i could give you guys a taste of what it's about plot wise
but...ahh..arrg....k
there are 7 main characters, all specialize in diff things, like career wise
and of course psychic wise..
it will have some very trippy fleeting aspects , like synchronistic things
that happen to us every day, that can easily be overlooked.
for ex. touching things, can trigure memories, seeing things cause dream
recall....you know
if you have seen run lola run, you'll have a idea of how i will implement
these trigures, simularly...

favorite authors/researchers; drunvalo melchezedek, j.j hurtak, david
wilcock, graham hancock, richard hoagland, greg braden..

gota make some tags for the clothing line, thanx for the nice comments guys,
hope i can be of some assistance..
don't think of advice as right or wrong, look at it as being right for you,
my advice could be right from dw rationality but could be overwhelming, and
that is a distortion in itself..
like my x has a passed bro and she never really digested what i was telling
her, and i now know kinda how ra must have felt upon seeing there truth
distorted here..
"i can only show you the door, you must open it.."

peace and love,
clark

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>subject: re: [asc2k] laying down the mantle.
>date: tue, 19 dec 2000 15:42:12 -0500
>
> finally!!! i'm glad that you've made the decision to let events and
>discussion here on the list play themselves out - i was always more and
>more surprised every time you posted on the list, and you ended up becoming
>the most frequent poster of us all, which was completely contrary to the
>lists purpose, if i understand the reason for which you created this list
>after all.
> i'm not sure if anything posted on this list qualifies as an attack,
>but i can *certainly* understand the impulse to address questions
>pertaining to one's life work, especially when they're shoved in your face
>everytime you check your e-mail. it certainly seems like a high stress
>time (it *is* xmas!) and the last thing that anybody wants is for you to
>overwork yourself.
> if i understand your reasons for creating this list, it was so we
>could discuss this stuff. yes, there will be inaccuracies in our
>arguments, and we will no doubt make errors in theoretical and spiritual
>facts. but i think you are making the right choice of concentrating on a
>book, a source that we can all check our arguments against, instead of
>addressing each issue we bring up on the fly. i would go as far as to say
>you should check this list very infrequently, as it can only stress you out
>as we hack through the mountains of information as we surely will. you're
>doing a good job, but it's not your job to play referee!!!
> hope everything goes well for you on your trip and you can get through
>this stressful holiday season!
> just to address one thing you wrote: although i will try to accurately
>answer any questions i can about david's work and related stuff, i am not
>an expert. clark is more learned on this stuff than i am; i still have a
>very very very very very long way to go.
> but if i can travel this path with you guys's company that would be
>just great!
> love and light,
> jeremy
> p.s. hopefully this will not get a response from david! ;^)
> ----- original message -----
> from: david wilcock
> to: asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ijr_611mo28ih5esuyvkb25yidanadp0mcgrej xtxxfaunukwtfhr8ljr6wz7gngttfmok1hvca)
> sent: tuesday, december 19, 2000 2:47 pm
> subject: [asc2k] laying down the mantle.
>
>
> hello again everyone! my latest diary entry for those who want to know
>the "man behind the curtain" of the asc2k website. this started as a
>response to "ascension (a different approach.)"
>
> actually these e-wars and book repostings have made a significant impact
>on my available time and i am now realistically pushing ahead the due date
>to the end of january as a result. (i am happy to have now made shift of
>the ages available to everyone and i think i am going to switch back to
>word 97 as my main content creator to avoid these problems in the future.)
>i've generated no new text since saturday, and know that this will change
>today, thankfully. having shift of the ages fully functional was an
>important busy-work step that i needed to clear first before proceeding.
>
> my father has asked me to visit home on the 29th of this month, leaving
>the 31st, yet another delay. this didn't come without a struggle from me.
>the tickets for florida have already been bought and my father knows it's a
>huge stress for me to have to accommodate. i'm trying to stay positive
>about it. i caught heck for not booking a longer trip - nobody is happy
>with my schedule demands these days.
>
> i'm also supposed to be in a play at the fellowship with a rehearsal
>tonight and a good chunk of saturday, performing christmas eve, plus a
>sounds of joy concert this wednesday night. dr. izumoto is also stopping by
>on his way to florida sometime friday, probably for a day, and that means
>sushi trips, conversation, et cetera. so it's not getting any less crazy
>and my private space has all but evaporated! i've had insomnia because i
>can't shut my mind down to go to sleep when i get in this book-writing
>mode. last time i looked at the clock last night it was close to 4:00 a.m.
>and this is "morning" for me now. i'm going to get some msm and valerian
>tonight and use the monroe tapes to try to go to sleep at an earlier hour.
>
> but wait! there's more... the whining goes on! :^)
>
> my email box has been more active than at any time in my history.
>something from three days ago is almost hopelessly buried at this point -
>remember that there are many who do not want to subscribe to this list but
>nevertheless contact me. it's getting really, really, really intense. i may
>soon need to look into a staffing solution if the money can happen.
>
> i made free will decisions every step of the way and this is the
>outcome! other sources of funding have come in and made this deadline
>extension to late january less perilous of a choice - the lecture tour with
>dr. mandelker is a go! my career has just taken a quantum leap as a result.
>i now could go into march without needing to worry about any outside
>funding or responsibility - but i must realistically finish it as soon as i
>can so as to hopefully get it linked to cseti before the disclosure occurs.
>furthermore i have 21 people on the wait list for readings and two more
>requests came in today. i can only process a maximum of about ten a month
>without burning out - and that's when i'm not actively writing a book,
>which is channeling in its own right.
>
> i did get a huge, long reading that came through the night before last
>and i don't remember a word of it. i plan on transcribing that today first.
>these tend to be the most interesting readings; i know it was almost 60
>minutes long. it's the first one of that length that i have done in
>probably more than a month, maybe more. it was quite spontaneous, at 4:00
>in the morning. (that night i actually did get to bed by midnight, which
>was because i had forced myself not to work on sunday.)
>
> i feel that we have reached a point where i can no longer participate in
>this sort of discussion. my time is catastrophically limited and i must
>conserve my actions for the greatest good. honestly i don't know why i have
>done as much as i have - most people who email me have to wait sometimes
>days for a response, if at all, and everyone should understand that this is
>by necessity, not because i am cruel and heartless. i may need to just back
>off from email, and clearly i must not let an emotional reaction from an
>email deter my focus. furthermore, i do not want others to be encouraged by
>thinking that if they argue with every point i make, they will be more apt
>to get a response from me.
>
> but wait... still more...
>
> the study guide is not a final statement on ra's words. you cannot have
>an "argument" about what you haven't read! these books are a lifetime of
>study and i cannot do them justice by arguing about them, nor should anyone
>else on this list. that is not the way that ra teaches us to behave. if you
>don't want to study it then i'm not going to "sell" it to you. way back in
>early 1996 before i ever started doing my own readings, i would sit
>sometimes for 45 minutes and never even turn the page in the book, just
>meditating on what was being said until i could at least marginally
>understand. it is the ph.d. of channeled material and it certainly isn't
>for everyone. i will not "defend" my confidence in this series of
>teachings. if those of you reading this respect me and my opinion, that
>will have to suffice.
>
> the choices we make are by our own free will. i recognize now that i
>cannot be of service in this given conversational impasse and therefore i
>withdraw. that was the point of the "to learn the meaning of life... click
>here" email in the first place.
>
> the law of one series is a spiritual path. it is simply not possible to
>argue about something this comprehensive and all-inclusive, and perhaps
>this means that discussing it in this forum is inappropriate. i don't know.
>i think if someone wants to hear about the ra opinion for a given spiritual
>situation or question because they seek assistance on their path, jeremy or
>clark or someone else could try to answer the question based on their
>understandings. it does serve as a wonderful guide for all paths of
>inquiry, and this is not to be argued, simply experienced. don't want the
>experience? don't get the books and don't argue about it. i'm laying down
>the mantle.
>
> i will still post occasionally, and by all means everyone should be
>encouraged to proceed with communication - but i will not argue or defend
>my work or that of ra any longer. if someone wants to attack me i will have
>to let it stand in ugly silence for all of you to contemplate on your own,
>even if the monkey-mind part of me seeks to defend itself. what each person
>chooses through free will is right for them. this forum can exist without
>becoming a hindrance to my mission. i have really been suffering with all
>the responsibilities that i have chosen to do for others and something's
>gotta give. i'm under a terrific amount of stress.
>
> sorry that so many of my emails lately have been so heavy sounding. i'm
>actually trying to stay positive but this group cannot be considered a fire
>for my one-man bucket brigade when the whole rest of the city is burning.
>i've got even more pressure now that the "time of global harvest" workshop
>is a go - we want a full multimedia presentation to roll out by may. that's
>right. may. totally finished. think i'm not sweating?
>
> i know that hoagland had a point where he just had to lay down his arms,
>back in 1996, and he since cut himself off totally from public email. his
>message board surges with discussion and he never reads a word of it,
>though they all think that he does and just ignores what they say, playing
>endless mindgames with each other. i will never cut myself off but i must
>actively become more professional and not over-give. sorry guys.
>
> i'll put up that new reading once it's done - should be interesting.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
> ----- original message -----
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> sent: tuesday, december 19, 2000 11:45 am
> subject: [asc2k] re: ascension (a different approach)
>
>
> david wrote:
> > seriously, i'm too busy to keep doing this - but this was another
>warm-up!
>
> indeed you have been posting quite a bit lately david. i hope that
>doesn't mean we will have to wait any longer
> for ciii. hehehehe. in that sense i don't want to keep engaging you
>on these points but (maybe someone else
> will take up the reigns so you can get back to work....)
>
> >
> > dr. mandelker has a ph.d. in east-west psychology and spent many
>years living in ashrams, touring through the "hot spots" and seeking
>enlightenment. he is about as much of an expert on these systems of
>philosophy as was thomas merton before him, truly a rare breed. and in his
>estimation, the law of one series has fused all of these teachings together
>so clearly and cleanly that it is "the single most important source of
>written teaching [he] has ever encountered." as in - the best parts of all
>teachings that got these guys where they are can all be found in the law of
>one series.
>
> this is not surprising but what does it mean? what are the 'best
>parts' of these teachings? and what about those
> points which these teaching touch on which are not addressed by the
>law of one? are these the 'bad parts'? that
> the law of one encompasses all of this, is that added merit to the law
>of one teaching or the teachings which it
> encompases? these questions are fasisously (sp) serious.
>
> >
> > i know i must sound like a broken record, but really it's quite
>simple. ra gave us the blueprints for how each of these souls got where
>they got. it involves clearing the blockages at each chakra level, which
>also corresponds to that density and the karmic lessons for that density,
>until you get to a point where you have some degree of balanced flow
>between all of them. once this is open to at least a minimal degree, you
>have access to the violet-ray center which can allow you to perform
>ascended feats. i'm not there yet though i can tap into the akashics, heal
>people, effect electronics and get telekinetic effects on smaller scales,
>usually spontaneously. and the psychic function is certainly not lacking.
>
> please don't take this as an attack but i find it interesting that ra
>can proclaim that which the majority of these
> souls adamently proclaim words cannot express. what you say sounds
>good and logical and any other number of
> words which can describe it, but i'd be willing to bet if this was
>explained to an ascended master as what they did
> to ascend, they would partake in the heartiest of laughter.
>
> after this point david, i'm not sure if you are speaking directly to
>me or to the forum as a whole.
>
> >
> > now you get into the finesse of how do you face yourself on every
>level of being: forgiveness of self, acceptance of self, direction of will,
>becoming the creator. it all comes back to self-acceptance and forgiveness,
>and "service to others becomes automatic at this point." best way to figure
>out where the hotspots are? dreamwork. if you're not taking notes on the
>messages from your higher self then you're not going to find out the
>problem anywhere near as quickly, if at all. that's why i took the time to
>give everyone that checklist. if you remember a dream and run it through
>the checklist, you will be able to decode it, at least partially, if you
>follow the formula. but don't email me and ask me to do it for you! this is
>your gig, and it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing! and you've
>gotta put the grr in swinger, baby!
> >
> > most clients of mine need to hear messages that go all the way back
>to very early in their life, and they have gone a lifetime without figuring
>it out. why do you think they've got their astrology, their parents, their
>trends in life? think that was all accidental or coincidental? not. i
>simply tie together their stuff with mom, dad, relationships, jobs,
>prosperity attitude, body esteem, diet and health and voila! suddenly it
>all fits together. my dream nails it, the reading comes in to explain it.
>most of the time it's so obvious i really don't even need to do the dream
>or reading. it's always the victim thing. whichever parent victimized you
>the most shows you which aspect of yourself feels more disconnected from
>god. and you'll discover that you're still making the same mistakes.
> >
> > talk to mom if she's still around. forgive, accept, direct, become.
>love yourself, nurture yourself. projection-wise, what comes out in this
>forum shows the issues black and white. (dr. perls: "look to what the
>person accuses you of saying, doing or being, and there you find the real
>subconscious issues with self that they haven't faced and are still upset
>about.") someone wasn't available enough.
> >
> > the reason why i'm here and doing what i'm doing is that at every
>stage of the battle, i have faced myself, accepted, integrated and gone up
>the ladder. lost 85 pounds, quit getting high, quit meat / sugar / fried
>food / dairy / white flour / et cetera, exercised, stopped hating myself,
>stopped worrying, meditated, studied, gained wisdom, directed creativity,
>practiced compassion and service to others, made a commitment to dedicate
>my life to healing this planet in the way i knew best. that's all that
>these other guys have done as well, and everybody reaches their own notch.
>there's a good reading early along in the archives on my site about jesus,
>saying that even though there was a plan, he had to make conscious choices
>every step of the way to become that person.
> >
> > there's no shortcut - no etherium gold powder under the tongue that
>will blast you into a higher level of being. get on your ****-wading boots
>and prepare to unclog the cesspool of the monkey mind. i'm serious. slow
>down your thoughts, get control of yourself, stop fluttering like a moth in
>front of a lightbulb, never giving yourself a breather from
>chatter-chatter-chatter in the head. how is this done? forgive, accept,
>direct, become. simple equation. knowledge is easy, application is freakin'
>hard.
> >
> > you don't walk the path of the master by making one choice, one day
>- you have to go back through your entire life, "defrag" every time where
>you didn't make the optimal choices for your own highest good, relive those
>times in the dream plane, "do the right thing," make the better choice,
>heal yourself, see how it works in your life now, integrate the
>information, put your knowledge into application, keep on working.
> >
> > it's not something easy - it is a constant process. the more you do
>this, the more your life will be filled with joy, synchronicity, blessings,
>love, wisdom, compassion, intelligence. i am so much smarter than i was
>before i went on this diet and self-transformation path; there's a
>significant gain in iq points, not to mention simple popularity because
>everybody wants to feel your light. yes, you make tons of sacrifices that
>the ego doesn't like. you give up all your addictions, habits, dietetic
>hangups, anger - "there is no such thing as an emotionally charged
>situation. there are only two choices - to be of service or to withdraw
>from the situation." i still blow that one sometimes.
> >
> > the tools for how to do all this are in every reading on the site!
>question is: are you ready to do the homework on self instead of looking
>for the magic panacea, the "one thing" that's suddenly going to make it all
>fit together?
> >
> > what feelings of limitation hold you back from being able to accept
>our immediate future transformation? did god abandon you somewhere along
>the line? is it "too fantastic" to be true? too "perfect?" do i need to
>beat you over the head with science to convince you that this is really
>going to happen? well, that's-a what i'm-a gonna do in the next book, if i
>haven't already done enough.
> >
> > if you're not studying the law of one or are not inclined to study
>it, (and the study guide works best in conjunction with the books
>themselves, it is not a stand-alone,) then you're not really going to
>understand why we keep wanting to divert the flow of conversation back that
>way. all of your questions are answered quite well therein.
> >
> > even the hard-nosed skeptic will have a very hard time denying the
>case that there is to be some form of energetic shift on our planet in the
>near future after reading c-iii. essentially, you cannot deny that it is
>happening now, because it fits so perfectly with the physics. all that you
>can do is to quibble about what it will actually "do" to each human being.
>and i feel that ra has given us the best answer.
> >
>
> okay lets talk metaphor's here because what you detail here is
>absoultely beautiful and really does get at the
> heart of the topic of ascension, but it is all but only a metaphor.
>the same goes for all religious texts, all the ra
> material, all the seth material, all surgeon general warnings, and
>generally speaking all things. that you can
> share this metaphor with others in such an eloquent manner is
>beautiful. that it has done so much to improve
> the lives of yourself and others is equally beautiful. but if you or
>anyone else regards it as more than a
> metaphor, then for all the beauty that is entailed within it, it has
>limited your progress.
>
> what is the purpose of these metaphors? the diamond sutra states
>(watch out i've started going to sources),
> "all things are caused by me - that i may attain liberation nirvana"
>(paraphrased). let me explain this a bit
> further. as said by the buddha 'caused by me' does not mean me as an
>individual nature but as entailing the
> whole of everything, without ego or individual identity. as such the
>cause and the effect are the same. there is
> no doer separate from what is done. you are the metaphor you create.
>as you refine that metaphor you refine
> yourself. refining that metaphor is broadening it to encompass all
>causes/effects, or all things, which in turn
> broadens you to encompass all things until the ego is removed and one
>rejoins all things, thereby attaining
> liberation or ascending. at the same time the diamond sutra would be
>careful to express that this is not the way.
> the way is unreal. this is merely called the way.
>
> okay let me go one step further. ra is said to be a sixth density
>being. as such ra is still able to interact with
> us here in the third density as individuals. but ra is not ra, ra is
>merely called ra. the sixth density is not the
> sixth density it is merely called the sixth density. what is my
>point? where while you may say that ra and the
> ra material capture the best parts of all the previous ascended souls,
>by no means has ra or the material ra
> presents shown that ra has achieved any wisdom beyond them. taking
>the diamond sutra alone, that ra still
> relates in an ego manner (no i am not saying ra is egotistical) shows
>his limits. he professes this as being only
> a sixth density being which we think of as higher than us and thus the
>metaphor presented (like most other
> metaphors of the kind) amaze us with what they entail. but
>fundamentally ra and the law of one are not ra or
> the law of one they are merely called such. they are but the
>metaphors.
>
> the primary danger (this is not a scare tactic) of metaphors is the
>human tendency to reify them. this is derrived
> from our desires to know. we yearn in some sense (even the most
>humble of us) for some sense of certainty
> and search the metaphor for truth, turning those things which please
>us about the metaphor into reality. what
> reification does however is begin slowing the metaphor down until it
>becomes real. explained better, the truth is
> fluid and ever changing. metaphors flow with the truth and as such we
>are able to learn from them. but if we reify
> the metaphors, they potentially can become real, solid, still and thus
>no longer abide in the motion of truth.
>
> i wrote:
> > p.s. here's a question (okay 2): if there were no on-coming
>harvest would you honestly be prepared to cultivate
> > mind, body and soul in preparation for ascension? was there ever
>a time when there wasn't an on-coming
> > harvest to inspire human souls to pursue cultivation? refine your
>metaphor.
>
> this is similar to a favorite question for me to pose to christians -
>could you follow the teachings of christ if there
> were no jesus? and the follow-up - because the teachings of christ
>exist with or without jesus.
>
> in the seven taoist masters (with regard to the second question), the
>queen of all things proclaims that she will
> share the nectre of the sacred fruit on a specific day and that this
>fruit would not bloom again for ten thousand
> years (again i am paraphrasing). tasting this fruit is the crowning
>of immortality, but in order to taste one must
> have already ascended prior to the set date. is this not similar to
>the coming of a harvest in which one must walk
> the ascension path to reap the benefits of the harvest? would not the
>coming of this event be as critical to a
> taoist at the time as the on-coming harvest is to you?
>
> okay i've said enough for now, but there is more. i'm about to go on
>vacation for a month so....
>
> incarnations
> korga
>
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Jeremy Weiland

12-19-2000, 08:14 PM

>gheee thanx jeremy and david for all the props,

you da man!!!!!

>hand i had to dig (reassurance/concreteness)..so for all those new peeps
you
>should not go along w anything, and dig deep and prove everything to your
>self, then you'll start seeing the connections and learn to work w
intuition
>more and more. try to find balance between the two; intuition

yeah, it's a lot of thinking and meditating on the stuff solo! but if you
can't figure it out that's what mr. stewart is here for... <g>

>and really if you don't plan on using the extra nrg, that would be spent on
>digestion processes, and nutrient leaching for dreaming, or other m/b/s
>function/harmonization.. then i guess what is the diff, goto mcdonalds then
eh!!

spoken like a true canadian, eh!

>honestly, i didn't know about extra nrg usage until dw, and yah i still
>flipflop bk to bad patterns, like when i was young and nothing really
>mattered, (eat/drink crap, smoke pot, ) but i now know what i
am here for,
>and hindering my process w refined goods becomes quite obvious..no dreaming

i'm a big offender with flip flopping... i like to decide on a moment by
moment basis what i am here for, as they say....

>i come to the people, not them to me, so for those who are lazy and go for
>the hotdog stand, i really fell it is time for a alternative..

if you can pull this off, i will somehow make sure that you are time
magazine's person of the year. seriously. and i'll get you a nobel prize.
god it would make my life easier....

>talk about caos, rush rush x-mas season..well will have a site up soon for
>you peeps interested..

yippee!!! i can just imagine my future morning decisions... "i feel like
icosahedron today..." bust out the shirt!

>i have been looking for how to introduce such topics into mainstream and
>clothing seems like a good facit, like you got a t-shirt and the tag is
>basically your key to unlocking the knowledge we have yet to remember, if
>you choose..

uh-huh.... i thought that's what the tags on all t-shirts were for...???

>wide..gota set-up a trailer 2-3min..

yes!!!

>wish i could give you guys a taste of what it's about plot wise
>but...ahh..arrg....k
>there are 7 main characters, all specialize in diff things, like career
wise
>and of course psychic wise..
>it will have some very trippy fleeting aspects , like synchronistic things
>that happen to us every day, that can easily be overlooked.
>for ex. touching things, can trigure memories, seeing things cause dream
>recall....you know
>if you have seen run lola run, you'll have a idea of how i will implement
>these trigures, simularly...

run lola run rules (and it's in german which is cool)

>gota make some tags for the clothing line,

what are they paying slave laborers in canada to do that nowadays, anyway?
<g>

you never replied about that tetrahedron-based house you're building.... is
that expensive and what are the effects of its geometry on the occupants?

take care,
jeremy