Bad Dreams or Negative Greetings?

[wubby gump]

Well, before I share my experience(s)..... I just want
to say that I never thought to enter the site through
its "formal gates" from Yahoo's main page. I just
subscribed, and then checked my e-mail. I never saw
the 'links' page, or the pictures, or whatever, it's
always just been e-mails for me (which is fine, to
this point) & that's it.... so when I clicked on the
'groups' link on Yahoo's main page, here comes
asc2k......... and all that it offers......... so I
clicked on the "adult indigos" link (which I have
always wondered about)....... and then, subsequently
to this link:

http://www.indigonation.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=2

Boy-oh-boy was I in for some personal "shock &
awe!!!!" (I'm STILL stunned!!) That thing is
practically a check-off list for everything I have
experienced since joining this forum (and some of it
before then)!! Anyone else?!? My oh my!! What an
awakening has occurred since my diligent studying of
THE LAW OF ONE & DW's work & all these other
metaphysical sites in only the last year! (To be
honest, my "awakening" came about in late 1996/early
1997, I just did not get into exploring myself and
higher levels of consciousness DILIGENTLY until a
couple of years ago) I am just blown away......
totally ..... by the things described on that list!!

But...... enough of that..... let's get to my point of
entry .............. there have been (for me at least)
a couple of very VIVID dreams (now THREE as of the
other night).... BAD dreams if you will, and I have
"felt" (for lack of a better description) a "presence"
in the room......... and, the more I think about it,
these "presences" (initially one, now PLURAL) have
always been in or around the same place when I
physically awakened. If the room was a clock, then my
head would be at the twelve position, and my feet at
the six position. These "presences" have always been
at the same place, in each encounter ..... four
o'clock .... but four o'clock AT AN ANGLE.....
upwards! (interesting, no?) The first time I noticed
this "presence" was about a month ago, and it was
singular ...... I had awakened from a bad dream, and
the dream itself was (and is now) almost completely
insignificant ...... save the singular "presence" I
felt in the room ...... and I felt that wonderful
"sleepy haze" lingering around ...... you know, the
kind that you drift through only momentarily when you
awke from a dream state ....... and eventually return
to your sleep/unconscious state (because it's just
oh-so fantastic, that sleepy stuff!) ....... but
something (or SOMEONE) told me "not to go back to
sleep" and I felt, what I PERCEIVED to be, a
malignant, or negative, "presence" in the room (at the
four o'clock position, up and out over my bed....not
real close, but close enough)..... and I opened my
eyes, blinked a few times & strained to see whatever I
"thought" was there. To no avail, nothing could be
seen, I just felt it, oh-so-faint & lingering, calling
me back to the dream........... and I just thought
(and also said out loud) "I love you, but what you are
doing is of no use to me" (Yes DW, I took that from
you) & I thought of filling the room and myself with
light & of love & it it just simply dissipated into
........... whatever ......! Whatever it was that I
FELT was there, was gone.

So ........... that was cool, no problems, just a
weird experience. The next time, which was SO vivid,
it is STILL stuck in my craw! I am not "afraid" so
much as I am wary now because of this. If anybody can
provide some assistance, it would be greatly
appreciated. This next time, which was about two weeks
ago now, almost to the day, was so real I could just
about cut it with a steak knife!! (sorry to all you
vegans out there, I just don't know how else to
describe it!) I had awakened in the middle of this
extremely bad dream ........ (interestingly enough, it
was somehow familiar to me, as though I have "been in
it" before) ........... and I was a "voyeur" of sorts
............. but with a sadistic twist. I was
following this person who was a murderer ..........
and he would go around & stalk women, charming them,
and then murdering them (Yes, this is sick, I know....
but please bear with me) ............ at first, I did
not know why I was bearing witness to this sick stuff
because it's not my cup of tea, but for some
compelling reason (and I have NO CLUE as to WHY I felt
this, but I know I did) I thought I could help avert
this somehow. The only thing was, the environment that
I was in, was completely geometric and it was a "maze"
of sorts, with each hallway/walkway/stairway going up
inside itself, and up, and around ..... kind of like
an M.C. Escher landscape
http://www.math.technion.ac.il/~rl/M.C.Escher/2/escher-rel.gif

http://www.math.technion.ac.il/~rl/M.C.Escher/1/hall_city.gif
........... so I could never get close to him when he
comitted a murder ....... I could watch (in bizarre
fascination, like when you see a roadside
accident..... that 'gawker' state) .......... but I
was never close enough to actually prevent it
.......... I was left to try to navigate this strange
maze, leaping & running & jumping from stair to stair,
from room to room, getting closer each time, but never
close enough to prevent this next murder ........ and
the thing that struck me about the landscape was, in
addition to being geometrical & assymetrical in it's
design, there was this color (or COLORS I should say)
about everything ...... it was IMPRINTED on the
surface of everything ....... this ...... design
........ it was geometrical ......... polygons .....
of every size and shape imaginable ........... and
they were there in every color of the rainbow,
imprinted on the surface of the walls, the floor, the
stairs (and some even in metallic ........... but they
were not bright ........... muted ....... kind of like
an old museum painting) .......... there was enough
wonder & amazement at my surroundings to keep me
occupied, but I felt I just HAD to catch this guy and
stop him, and I knew I could if I just could GET to
him .......... so here's the thing ........ there was
someone WITH me in my race to catch this killer
........... at first (in the dream state) I thought
this was my friend, and I kept saying "watch this" as
I would leap across a chasm, or jump through a window
to get to the next room ( a la Superman), and this
"friend" was always behind me, to my lower right
......... and as I was chasing this killer, I would
occasionally feel a "poke" in between my shoulder
blades ........... initially it was a nuisance, but
became more & more prominent as the "chase" through
the maze went on ........... and then it became
constant when I turned my back & stopped talking to my
"friend" (whom I never could "see" in my dream, I just
remember talking and interacting with him)
.................... it was always in the same place
.......... in between my shoulder blades, just to the
right of the spine ......... (again if my head were
twelve o'clock, it would have been at about the four
o'clock position, just in between my shoulder blades!)
........ and after a particularly powerful "poke"
(more like an actual piercing blow!) I awoke from this
.............. I don't know what to call it ........
"dreamscape" ............ I looked up from my bed to
where I "felt" something & I swear by all that is holy
in this world, there was some .......... "thing" or
whatever you want to call it ........ hanging out over
the bed at .......... yep! You guessed it! Four
o'clock! I blinked & blinked, and strained my eyes to
try to see what in the world was there (or what I
thought was there) ......... and the only thing that I
can think of that comes even REMOTELY close is from a
movie (yes, I know, you can all roll your eyes
now....ANOTHER movie reference!) with Arnold
Schwarzenegger called "Predator" ........ (you know,
where the creature used his electronic camouflage to
blend in with his surroundings) ........ and I saw it
for maybe a couple of seconds, and then that
"camouflage" blended in with the room, and there was
nothing for me to visually see .......... but I still
felt that presence ........... so I looked all around,
I sat up, I THOUGHT about getting up out of bed, but
that "sleepy stuff" was still hanging around so I
layed back down .......... and I looked over to "four
o'clock" again, but I couldn't see a darned thing
....... I just felt it ..........and I kept straining
my eyes & straining my eyes, thinking that If I could
somehow physically see it, I could deal with it
.............. whatever it was, was extremely cunning
........... and all the while, that good 'ol "sleepy
stuff" was calling me back, and then I layed back down
...... I kept getting the feeling that I as soon as I
would go back to sleep, I would go back to the dream,
and SOMETHING kept telling me not to do it
............ that was when I could "see" the
"dreamscape" before me ........... waiting for me to
fall asleep & return, and somehow I knew if I returned
to that placed, that "poke" between my shoulder blades
would become fatal ......... and yet, as I teetered
between this conscious state and this dream state, I
could see/feel/hear these other ..... oh, I don't know
......"things" or "beings" FROM the dreamstate calling
to me to return ........ my head was literally
surrounded by these "things" whispering to me to
return & give in to the slumber that was so heavy on
my eyes & body ........ and I KNEW that if I returned
I would be harmed ......... fatally ....... there was
no way to stop this in this "dreamscape" .............
and I tried & tried & TRIED to envelop myself & the
room in light ......... but it would not come
................. and I tried & tried & TRIED to send
love to whomever/whatever was around me, but it did
not work ........... I even asked it/they to leave in
the name of Jesus Christ .............. but nothing
happened .................. I just kept feeling this
compulsion to return to the dream/nightmare & I was
just about to give in .......... until I felt
someone/something there waiting .......... just
waiting for me to "give the word" so-to-speak
............. and I honestly didn't think about it or
even notice the possibility until that very moment of
me "running out of options" .......... and somehow
...... someway I "looked" and just noticed out of the
corner of my eye (well, I really just FELT all of
this, I just don't know how else to describe it!) a
very large "presence" kind of looming above, watching
the whole thing .......... and I knew who/what it was
& I just said, "Okay Michael, go ahead. I need your
help. Go ahead and do your thing." W-O-W!! No joke! It
was quite literally like a gigantic invisible wrecking
ball swooped in and COMPLETELY demolished this
"dreamscape" ............. I could see/feel the
effects of everything being "broken up" ......... and
(as if this whole thing is not bizarre enough yet) as
this dreamscape" was being totally destroyed by this
incredible & powerful & wonderful invisible force (It
was the Archangel Michael, there is absolutely no
doubt in my mind), pieces of it would break up & fly
off in geometric/asymetric pieces! It was if the
entire thing were constucted by polygon-like legos!
These smaller "things" went scattering and dissipated
in terror, and my "friend" who was hovering out over
the bed at four o'clock (whom I later realized was the
"unseen one" in my dream, and was actually the one
"poking/striking" me in the back) left rather
disappointed (if it's possible to convey that sort of
thing) I'm telling you all, this was by far and away
one of THE MOST surreal experiences I've ever had in
my life (and I've had more than a few) .........
needless to say, I was able to go back to sleep and I
have had restful slumber since........up until a
couple of days ago that is, but we'll leave that
scenario for another time. My question(s) are as
follows:

1) Are "bad dreams" (nightmares?) just "negative
greetings" or are they simply a "doorway" or "useful
realm" to be used by STS entities as such?

2) Does your elevation or change in
consciousness/higher form "attract" negative entities
that did not "notice you" before?

3) After reading (again) DW's study guide to The Law
Of One, and reviewing the section on "negative
greetings" and the subsequent attacks on Carla, was
this experience I had of a similar nature? (I swear, I
would not have awakened a second time, had I "gone
back" to that dream-state! -- I understand it was not
on such a grand scale as Carla's situation, but the
first dream was one "small guy" working on me, this
last one was a "big guy" messing with me, along with
some of these "smaller guys" -- again, this is not
absolutely literal, I just don't know how else to
describe the experience!)

4) As an absolute novice in the ways of the arcane,
what can I do (besides surrounding myself in light
before I go to sleep) to halt/prevent this sort of
thing from happening again?

5) I am compelled to "fight" these "things' (or
whatever!) but I also realize that that option is
completely pointless in that it will never end if I
choose to do so. The only way to do so is to try to
understand who/what/why this is taking place & in so
doing will I be able to love them and for these such
things to stop. Any suggestions anyone?


Any assistance would be greatly appreciated,

~ Thomas


P.S. - I've mentioned things "pinging" in my head
before, and I've had another one, and I have
absolutely NO CLUE where this is coming from. I know
I've never read it or heard it spoken before, and yet
it keeps resounding in my head. It is as follows:


Never Fear.
Never Inflict Fear.
God Is True And Timeless.


Any body ever heard that before or have any idea where
that comes from? (I mean, I get it, but where's it from?)

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[lealdragon]

Wow, Thomas, your dreamtime experiences are VERY similar to mine. I
too have felt a `presence' in the room, and I too felt that I came
very close to dying ? many times.

In my case, these experiences started a few years ago, and
intensified when I wasn't sleeping well due to some `natural'
hormone cream I'd been using. So, in my case the insomnia (resulting
in messed up sleep) along with some intense emotional stuff going on
might have been factors in making me vulnerable. So, you might first
consider whether there is something physical that could be
contributing.

It's only been a few weeks now that the insomnia has been subsiding,
and finally, for the first time in several years, I am beginning to
have some `normal' dreams. So, I am hopeful that as I sleep better,
the freaky dreams will subside.

The last time it happened was a few nights ago, so I'm not `out of
the woods' yet. The frequency has been several nights a week, over
the last few years. I sometimes think it might even have been every
night, but I don't always wake up.

In my case, it had gotten so bad that I actually began to DREAD
going to sleep! (Which didn't help the insomnia of course.)

One of several things would happen:

1. I would half-wake up and see a presence superimposed over
the room, like the alien in the `Predator' movie, or something in
the room, like a picture on the wall, would be the physical vehicle
for the malevolent being, as in, in the semi-dark an ordinary object
was really something else, like it really WAS this malevolent thing,
but I could only just now see it for what it was. Like you, I would
focus on looking at it, trying to get it to completely materialize
so I could deal with it, but then of course it would turn back into
the ordinary object. Many times I have gotten frustrated,
thinking, `next time I won't try to look at it, but stay in the
dream so I can deal with it on that level' since I thought that by
focusing on it, I was waking up and therefore never quite found out
what it was?or
2. An object in the room would become a black hole filled with
malevolent energy, or it would become alive, or it would be a
doorway to another dimension?or
3. I would feel all spread out, in a void, and I knew if I
didn't get back to my body I would die. I know this is a common
occurrence with people who are attempting to lucid dream ? I've seen
it discussed on lucid dreaming groups. The difference is, they
claimed it was very temporary, yet my experiences have been going on
for several years! ?or
4. I would still be experiencing the dreamstate but I knew it
wasn't `just' a dream ? I was trapped in some place where no one
could find me, and I had to really focus my will to get back, and
decide that `they' weren't gonna `get' me. I felt like a `nothing' ?
it's hard to describe, but I felt `displaced', like `they' had
stolen my soul and put it in a tiny little dark cage?or
5. I would be chasing off some negative being who was trying
to `get' my husband and/or my son ? often they would succeed in the
semi-dream state ? it was sort of like `Invasion of the Body
Snatchers' in which I knew they were gone even if the body was still
there.

In all of these cases, the feeling was always the same: that some
negative energy was trying to trap me or steal my life, my family,
or my purpose; that if I gave in to them I would be trapped, and no
one would know what had happened to me. I felt all alone. I usually
would not give in to terror, but would become very `awake' mentally
and determined, and in my half-sleep state would try to find a clue,
any clue, that would serve as breadcrumbs to finding my way back. I
would then awaken feeling relieved but very exhausted that I'd had
to do this (battle them) yet again.

Creepy stuff! I've been pretty freaked out about this too but
assumed I was vulnerable because of the intense emotional stuff that
had been going on over the past few years. Once, I even saw these
negative beings in the room when I was completely awake ? this was a
few weeks ago when I posted a message asking for help.

I too have called for help, but never had the type of wonderful
experience you described with Michael.

When I am awake, I remember to tell them I love them but don't want
their service and send them on their way, but I don't ever seem to
remember to do that when I am in that in-between state.

I feel that there must be some holes that they are getting thru, but
I'm not sure how to plug up those `holes.' Ra often mentioned the
alignments in Carla's case. She had her own personal sacred objects
that were meaningful to her, and therefore protective. But what if I
don't really have any sacred objects that I believe in? How do I
create a sacred space b4 going to sleep? Our house is currently
under construction so admittedly our feng shui is really the pits
right now.

I have started making a point to spend some time in prayer and
thanksgiving b4 sleep and upon awakening. But, since I am still in a
healing process (physically and emotionally) I know that I have
quite a ways to go b4 I feel that my state of mind is `high' enough
to really afford much protection.

It's probably part of my own catalyst, to force me to have some
quiet, contemplative time, which is something I've been very guilty
of neglecting.

Some background: I have had many psychic dreams of a positive
nature, in the past. However, I have rarely had any positive dreams
in recent years. Could these negative entities be trying to block me
from having positive psychic dreams, thus trying to turn an area of
strength and inspiration into one of fear and dread? These negative
dream experiences definitely did seem to intensify around the time
that I decided to actively work with my dreams.

Also, around the time they started, I knew someone who was very
adept at lucid dreaming and too fixated on me, and I had reason to
suspect that he was consciously infiltrating my dreams ? the first
time I felt that `presence' I thought it was this person. Not sure
if I was correct about that, but that's when they started. That was
a few years ago, and he is now long gone from my life, but I'm
wondering if somehow a door got opened that I wasn't able to shut,
and it only opened wider over time?

I too am interested in any suggestions anyone might have!

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=JTPmdHc9BeNuszEGZUpGw3Rd0_Zwj6a69Cbu1B UghCmQ7xPC5FTgQM1j4QnzvB8PZaz9CBTGSd3PR10T2w), wubby gump <wubbygump@y...> wrote:

> "felt" (for lack of a better description) a "presence"
> in the room