View Full Version : All this IQ talk is depressing....
Now I realize why I'm having so much trouble
grasping the principles that RA is sending
our way, and tend to use too many words to
describe even the most simple concepts ...
I'm just too damned dumb!
Since my S.B.IQ barely nudges over the 100
mark,and considering I would be thrilled to
even approach what now seems to be a
comparitively mundane 120... much more a
stratospherically exhalted 135,I will stop
posting so much and instead will devote my
time to better contemplate and study the
wisdom-filled reflections passed along by
my betters -- Or some such new strategy to
better fit the realities of the situation
that I have now been made aware of!
a much humbled billydumbass
Bjorn Nitmou
08-08-2005, 05:24 AM
Yea the IQ talk certainly has the potential to lower
the vibration of the list. Thats unfortunate seeing
that its a transient issue.
Call it projection or not, it really makes no
difference, its just that it takes so much hard work
to cutail the ego. I feel like I have to treat my ego
like a child, reminding it that we are all one, and
that IQ is no big deal. The ego doesnt understand
that just becasue many poeple posess a higher IQ that
that is no reason to feel hurt or offended.
In a way though, if it takes "chops" to create the
scientific material, then it almost creates a
limitation for those of us who dont have "chops,"
because you could likely make a strong argument that
it must also take "chops" or a high IQ just to read
and understand such material. Which is something we
are all trying to do.
--- "M.W. (Bill )Gieskieng" <skykieng@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=tCX5APL9BuxB-iSz-9hOYLiSvKVvZCFJ-Unpd81toKZ3vlvRDHnB8friOotGfoI_7u7tJyJx2WKSrCWK-g)>
wrote:
> Now I realize why I'm having so much trouble
> grasping the principles that RA is sending
> our way, and tend to use too many words to
> describe even the most simple concepts ...
> I'm just too damned dumb!
>
> Since my S.B.IQ barely nudges over the 100
> mark,and considering I would be thrilled to
> even approach what now seems to be a
> comparitively mundane 120... much more a
> stratospherically exhalted 135,I will stop
> posting so much and instead will devote my
> time to better contemplate and study the
> wisdom-filled reflections passed along by
> my betters -- Or some such new strategy to
> better fit the realities of the situation
> that I have now been made aware of!
>
> a much humbled billydumbass
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Jake Almond
08-08-2005, 05:31 AM
"I'm just too damned dumb!"
Don't let this outlook on your life crystallize!
In my opinion, intelligence and wisdom are different things.
I consider intelligence to be a measure of academic `prowess'. `Raw'
intellect. It's a measure of mathematical and scientific ability,
within certain environments.
I consider wisdom to be a measure of `life experience'. How you react
to situations. Advice you can offer people. It's not really something
you `study' at school (and I guess it should be) ? it's usually
gained from being out there and experiencing things, or through
meditation etc. I guess you could say its 'cooked' intellect LOL.
Both intelligence and wisdom are important, and they do feed off each
other to some extent.
However, it is possible to be extremely clever but very un-wise.
Imagine if you were to sit hidden in a room, for years, just
studying, never really meeting people and experiencing life; an
academic hermit. Yes you'd be very `clever', but you'd have no life
experience at all. You wouldn't be very `wise'.
Conversely, I guess you could say if you were always out experiencing
life and meeting people and not studying, you may become wise to life
but not very clever (though this would depend on a lot of factors,
like who your friends were and what activities you were doing etc).
Anyway, what am I tried to say? I guess I'm saying it is important
not to consider yourself a `dumb-ass' just because you
don't `officially' score high on the intelligence scale. Wisdom is
just as important. And for all you know, the person who wrote the
algorithm to calculate your IQ score has no wisdom at all!
Adam West
08-08-2005, 06:10 AM
Equally important, and some would argue, more important is EQ, or
emotional intelligence quotient. Certainly in my opinion, of the highest
importance, far more than high IQ is that of personality integration with
Divine Consciousness (call it what you will...spiritual evolution perhaps).
Many see a high IQ and intellectual development as some kind of badge or
prestige/status thing, certainly in my view, a conditioned response of
socialization and one of lower egoic thinking; further more, a view with out
merit.
Truly if we must be thinking from lower mind, comparing, judging
ourselves and others, the standard for such judging would surely be that of
spiritual evolution; not who can do the best on culturally biast, invalid
tests of our self-worth!
In kind regards,
Adam.
> Yea the IQ talk certainly has the potential to lower
> the vibration of the list. Thats unfortunate seeing
> that its a transient issue.
>
> Call it projection or not, it really makes no
> difference, its just that it takes so much hard work
> to cutail the ego. I feel like I have to treat my ego
> like a child, reminding it that we are all one, and
> that IQ is no big deal. The ego doesnt understand
> that just becasue many poeple posess a higher IQ that
> that is no reason to feel hurt or offended.
>
> In a way though, if it takes "chops" to create the
> scientific material, then it almost creates a
> limitation for those of us who dont have "chops,"
> because you could likely make a strong argument that
> it must also take "chops" or a high IQ just to read
> and understand such material. Which is something we
> are all trying to do.
>
>
>
> --- "M.W. (Bill )Gieskieng" <skykieng@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=t-KZVzRtpqCNplO7jWrqriktmsGcHoz8k171teiVDT3N5_L9dJmR nsx_4n5dKA5rngvgpRZx2m1PRAw)>
> wrote:
>
>> Now I realize why I'm having so much trouble
>> grasping the principles that RA is sending
>> our way, and tend to use too many words to
>> describe even the most simple concepts ...
>> I'm just too damned dumb!
>>
>> Since my S.B.IQ barely nudges over the 100
>> mark,and considering I would be thrilled to
>> even approach what now seems to be a
>> comparitively mundane 120... much more a
>> stratospherically exhalted 135,I will stop
>> posting so much and instead will devote my
>> time to better contemplate and study the
>> wisdom-filled reflections passed along by
>> my betters -- Or some such new strategy to
>> better fit the realities of the situation
>> that I have now been made aware of!
>>
>> a much humbled billydumbass
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Barney Bass
08-08-2005, 06:16 AM
All of the accumulated wisdom we have, can be defined as simple, and
understandable by anyone. The more complicated, and involved a subject is, the
more exclusive, and oppressive it is. God does not live to blind, He lives to
illuminate. The I. Q. has nothing to do with widom. It is a tool that is given
to some to help make things simple to understand for those less fortunate. The
ego hampers this at every turn. People with lower I. Q.s are generally more
intuitive. We are all mutually complimentary. That is the one.
Bjorn Nitmou <bjorn_nitmou@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=QYI4j1ferGQfyVcXez3qAAfFIiWYdU47dBBVEL nSnnUmsCAF-R_qqK5Cg2TRUpsEB6ORctPqDCz4WCQcnoxz)> wrote:Yea the IQ talk certainly has the
potential to lower
the vibration of the list. Thats unfortunate seeing
that its a transient issue.
Call it projection or not, it really makes no
difference, its just that it takes so much hard work
to cutail the ego. I feel like I have to treat my ego
like a child, reminding it that we are all one, and
that IQ is no big deal. The ego doesnt understand
that just becasue many poeple posess a higher IQ that
that is no reason to feel hurt or offended.
In a way though, if it takes "chops" to create the
scientific material, then it almost creates a
limitation for those of us who dont have "chops,"
because you could likely make a strong argument that
it must also take "chops" or a high IQ just to read
and understand such material. Which is something we
are all trying to do.
--- "M.W. (Bill )Gieskieng" <skykieng@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=J3p5_ZILezzZQp4WWZxEvQyTzqUejba4WpfK_j WuwuhYP4QZ-8xN0M8Lex-XZVZCrD5hI35_gT6tIR4r)>
wrote:
> Now I realize why I'm having so much trouble
> grasping the principles that RA is sending
> our way, and tend to use too many words to
> describe even the most simple concepts ...
> I'm just too damned dumb!
>
> Since my S.B.IQ barely nudges over the 100
> mark,and considering I would be thrilled to
> even approach what now seems to be a
> comparitively mundane 120... much more a
> stratospherically exhalted 135,I will stop
> posting so much and instead will devote my
> time to better contemplate and study the
> wisdom-filled reflections passed along by
> my betters -- Or some such new strategy to
> better fit the realities of the situation
> that I have now been made aware of!
>
> a much humbled billydumbass
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Jan Wicherink
08-08-2005, 06:58 AM
Dear Bill,
No big deal, Real wisdom does not stem from the brain but from the
heart anyhow and the reason that you are here participating in this
discussion forum tells more about your intelligence and wisdom than
a thousand IQ tests.
Personally I don't have a high esteem of these intelligence tests
anyhow. There is a lot of IQ test training material available that
will help you boost your IQ score when being tested.
Studies revealed that Asian people scored on average higher than
Westeners in Western developed IQ tests. This raised the
question 'are Asian people more intelligent than Westeners'?
Carefull studies later revealed that since the Asian character sets
contains complex graphical geometrical constructions, the Asian
brain from childhood onwards is being trained to recognise complex
structures. As a result Asians scored better in the Western IQ tests
in certain parts pattern recognition aspects of the test.
Since you can train yourself to boost the score of an IQ test, does
this mean that you are getting more intelligent? No!
Now think again Bill, you have every right to be here and discuss
with everybody else, don't let a lousy IQ test tell you who you are
and make you take your place in the pick-order! So please speak up.
With love,
Jan
--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=7vJxUtawyZJ_46ejIlmhr4lz78NQJ44H2m2CmJ pkwO96A7qTem6SDIuEEu_AhBwod6z3mCJUlhV0TT93), "M.W. (Bill )Gieskieng"
<skykieng@i...> wrote:
> Now I realize why I'm having so much trouble
> grasping the principles that RA is sending
> our way, and tend to use too many words to
> describe even the most simple concepts ...
> I'm just too damned dumb!
>
> Since my S.B.IQ barely nudges over the 100
> mark,and considering I would be thrilled to
> even approach what now seems to be a
> comparitively mundane 120... much more a
> stratospherically exhalted 135,I will stop
> posting so much and instead will devote my
> time to better contemplate and study the
> wisdom-filled reflections passed along by
> my betters -- Or some such new strategy to
> better fit the realities of the situation
> that I have now been made aware of!
>
> a much humbled billydumbass
LOL! Insight and intellect aren't the same thing. Your posts show great
insight and I enjoy them very much! An IQ is just a number, but we are REAL
people and add up to so much more than that!! So please do NOT feel that
because some of us score higher numbers and some of us score lower numbers
that anyone is "out of their league" here. If you are here, you are in the
right place!
In spite of my "exalted" IQ score I have a lot of trouble understanding much
of the RA material too. I am still struggling to understand and grasp some
of it, but I keep trying. We all work together to keep trying. So it is
much more of an even playing field than you might think. :-) I really
thought 2X before posting that I have a high IQ to the forum, interestingly
I am ALWAYS leery to disclose that info to anyone! The truth is that it
doesn't really matter, it is only a small part of who I am. As your IQ
number is only a small part of who you are.
Mary
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Date: 08/07/05 21:57:19
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Subject: [asc2k] All this IQ talk is depressing....
Now I realize why I'm having so much trouble
grasping the principles that RA is sending
our way, and tend to use too many words to
describe even the most simple concepts ...
I'm just too damned dumb!
Since my S.B.IQ barely nudges over the 100
mark,and considering I would be thrilled to
even approach what now seems to be a
comparitively mundane 120... much more a
stratospherically exhalted 135,I will stop
posting so much and instead will devote my
time to better contemplate and study the
wisdom-filled reflections passed along by
my betters -- Or some such new strategy to
better fit the realities of the situation
that I have now been made aware of!
a much humbled billydumbass
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Oooooh . . . Jan . . . that was something we talked about a LOT at the
conference I was at regarding gifted children! It is soooo strange that
this comes up NOW, yet I am so thrilled to share this info with anyone!!!
:-)
This was for my state only, however, it is my understanding that the nation
is going to this more and more because of "no child left behind". They are
looking towards screening entire classrooms for kids who stand out as having
any sort of talent, and then testing them further. They are looking at
making IQ scores only ONE consideration of the testing. For now it can be
the "be all/end all" of whether or not a child qualifies for services, and
so a lot of kids with a lot of potential are falling through the cracks. I
can attest for this myself as I barely graduated from high school, detested
school, and when I got my ACT scores back (more SCORES - blech!) my
counselor went wild about how I scored higher than most of the school and I
just HAD to go to college. I'd never even considered college - I was so
thrilled to be getting out of school. I did go to college, though I didn't
get a degree. Now I am perusing a degree in education (go figure - but it's
partly because I want to be the teacher that I never had) . . . but I
digress . . .
My point is that at this conference we talked out about how to screen kids
for pure potential, not test them based on their experiences Obviously a
child who lives in poverty will NOT have had the same experiences as a
middle class kid. A child who doesn't get enough to eat, who takes care of
brothers and sisters in the afternoons, who doesn't have a computer in the
home, who does not even have books in the home, has no chance at doing as
well on an IQ test as a middle class child does. We also talked about
gifted kids with learning disabilities, as is my dad, who was labeled as
retarded in school. It turns out that he is very smart, but he has dyslexia
and ADD. There can be numerous factors that would make a child with a "gift
fall through the cracks.
I want to clarify here that the reason for ID'ing these kids is not to pin a
label on them and call them special. The point is that these kids need
services in the educational system. Our schools teach to the middle, and so
kids on either end of the spectrum frequently do not get their needs met by
the educational system. Unidentified gifted kids make up a huge number of
drop outs because they become frustrated and angry with the educational
system. I will not say that having a diploma is the most important thing,
however, it does make it a little easier to get by in the world.
I'm going on here and I realize that this may not be info relevent to the
list. Yet I think it is. I think that under the right circumstances these
most talented kids will set the tone for the world in the coming years. And
if these kids are not part of the solution, they really will be part of the
problem! That is a sobering thought, isn't it? If we can help these
children, we can help society as a whole.
Mary
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Date: 08/08/05 07:20:14
To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=3yM1bp9TNHgdY9cK-zWedDvOzOSRnLGgy5uOcgjJsBp1XOY8bzxa5UHgcT9rdDe87-Amb_Jr7-xmaOWP5g)
Subject: [asc2k] Re: All this IQ talk is depressing....
Personally I don't have a high esteem of these intelligence tests
anyhow. There is a lot of IQ test training material available that
will help you boost your IQ score when being tested.
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Vuyiswa Joy
08-08-2005, 09:37 AM
Hi Billybubbly,
As one who hs never taken an IQ test and instinctively feel it matters not, I
took your post as one written with your tongue firmly in your cheek!
Please continue to post as you feel inspired, as I too enjoy reading your witty
contributions. Your heart-centred humour is the perfect antidote to constipated
intellectualism. Keep the flow flowing. Its good for our collective soul. I
appreciate your honesty to the max.
Love,
Vavavuyi.
"M.W. (Bill )Gieskieng" <skykieng@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=Gm_qSUbTeD_yfihcFKDaobcT2a5PyGlf1k2GR9 His0RDKcKxroUMkPFJR1shjkisXi9EZfL0EY4ovg1r_cJT)> wrote:
Now I realize why I'm having so much trouble
grasping the principles that RA is sending
our way, and tend to use too many words to
describe even the most simple concepts ...
I'm just too damned dumb!
Since my S.B.IQ barely nudges over the 100
mark,and considering I would be thrilled to
even approach what now seems to be a
comparitively mundane 120... much more a
stratospherically exhalted 135,I will stop
posting so much and instead will devote my
time to better contemplate and study the
wisdom-filled reflections passed along by
my betters -- Or some such new strategy to
better fit the realities of the situation
that I have now been made aware of!
a much humbled billydumbass
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David Wilcock
08-08-2005, 10:04 AM
From: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=5LFgkkm2J2ebiVhLFzrsCSPoEcjRHKT9wJjGaC jkWJ92AzGsSnYRCGcFdMnSrux0vCDU8-vlkFOaGI9HRQ) [mailto:asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=5LFgkkm2J2ebiVhLFzrsCSPoEcjRHKT9wJjGaC jkWJ92AzGsSnYRCGcFdMnSrux0vCDU8-vlkFOaGI9HRQ)] On Behalf Of Mary
>In spite of my "exalted" IQ score I have a lot of trouble understanding
much of the RA material too.
DW: It would be VERY interesting to devise a test for someone's ability to
accurately interpret symbolism into a spiritual context, such as what occurs
all the time with dreams.
My grandfather had a very high IQ but had no people skills and also was
perfectly content to devote the last part of his life to designing a program
that could custom-build tapered land thrust bearings... ugh.
Peace be with you -
- David
Well, if being able to interpret my dreams was a measure of my intelligence
I'd be in big trouble . . . of course I usually have very strange dreams so
can we qualify that as a handicap? LOL!!!!
I agree - it's not what you've got, but what you do with it. We all are who
we are, nothing less and nothing more! Personally, I think being a
well-balanced person is more desirable than being super intelligent, and if
a person is super intelligent he or she has to work harder to find balance
in their lives. It's a double edged sword . . .
Mary
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Date: 08/08/05 10:05:11
To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=e0-nvbpWvNb7w-ZYwLhcQOzNung-TQ9Rmxg01r7BWQ7ZuTyt5ehlyc4_YhBhfWNJ6j5Wwb6nLv2s_I xQ4g)
Subject: RE: [asc2k] All this IQ talk is depressing....
From: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=e0-nvbpWvNb7w-ZYwLhcQOzNung-TQ9Rmxg01r7BWQ7ZuTyt5ehlyc4_YhBhfWNJ6j5Wwb6nLv2s_I xQ4g) [mailto:asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=e0-nvbpWvNb7w-ZYwLhcQOzNung-TQ9Rmxg01r7BWQ7ZuTyt5ehlyc4_YhBhfWNJ6j5Wwb6nLv2s_I xQ4g)] On Behalf Of Mary
>In spite of my "exalted" IQ score I have a lot of trouble understanding
much of the RA material too.
DW: It would be VERY interesting to devise a test for someone's ability to
accurately interpret symbolism into a spiritual context, such as what occurs
all the time with dreams.
My grandfather had a very high IQ but had no people skills and also was
perfectly content to devote the last part of his life to designing a program
that could custom-build tapered land thrust bearings... ugh.
Peace be with you -
- David
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Janae B. Weinhold
08-08-2005, 10:41 AM
Hi Mary,
I felt amazed about your perception of the coming MANDATORY screening
of young children for "problems" as it is so different from mine.
My background includes developmental psychology and children's mental
health and I have consulted with and trained professionals working in
early childhood education, including Head Start, childcare and
preschool programs in these areas.
Many people I know in these professions see this mandated screening as
a negative . . . they feel that these "pure potential" children--many
of them with qualities of the New Kids (Indigo and Crystal Children--
are very advanced, many of them (from my perspective) Wanderers from
the 6th dimension. Already many of them are being diagnosed as
Oppositional, Defiant, Behavior Disordered and with ADD or ADHD, as a
result of their spiritual advancement and ability to speak the truth of
their experiences. Many of those on the path of Service-to-Self see
these children as a very big threat to their agenda to control,
dominate and enslave those on the path of Service-To-Other. Some of my
Native American friends are really adamant about the this point and are
working very hard to educate parents about how to protect and teach
them.
My early childhood friends feel that they will soon be forced to either
confront or cooperate with this mandated screening process and feel
afraid and conflicted about either choice they are faced with in the
near future.
I am interested in hearing about the ethical aspects about this
mandatory screening from professionals in the state of New Mexico,
which is one of the more advanced in early childhood concerns.
thanks,
Janae Weinhold
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Janae,
Well, I think that as anything else the mandatory testing and IDing of
gifted kids could become distorted, and I'm sure that others see this
differently than I do. However, part of the focus of the conference was
meeting the needs of the gifted kids who are "outside the box" . . . this
includes and in fact focuses on the kids who are labeled as ADD, ODD, etc. -
basically it was described as having "factors" which could mask their
talents. Of course we should not confuse the issues of kids who are very
bright and difficult for a teacher to deal with, and a child with serious
problems. Last year my son was behaving badly in kindergarten and his
teacher actually told me that she couldn't believe his behavior because he
is too smart to act like that. I was appalled and had him moved to another
class, as I realized that her expectations of a "gifted" child was that he
would sit quietly in the corner in a little suit and tie and answer every
question correctly and be a perfect angel - NOT!!!
Another focus of this conference was that gifted and talented kids need to
be taught to think for themselves. A program for gifted children should be
enriching and challenging to the child, NOT just more worksheets for the
advanced kids to do. Unfortunately more busy work IS what too many gifted
programs are, so we need to move away from that too.
I'm not sure what you mean about New Mexico being more advanced in early
childhood concerns. Actually in many things we are BEHIND the times, ranked
one of the lowest in the nation in quality of education, and struggling to
meet the expectations of "No Child Left Behind". Not surprisingly, many of
the educators at the conference were resistant to these ideas. Many
grumbled and dug in their heels. However, my view on this is that those of
us who WERE gifted/talented kids and were failed by the system are starting
to come into our own, and are coming forward and demanding better for our
own children, and the children who are in the educational system right now.
BTW, I am quite sure that I am what is considered to be Indigo . . . though
a rather early one. I read up quite a bit on this, and I realized that it
is interesting that I woke up one morning in my mid-30s and decided I wanted
to teach. But isn't it fitting that as an early Indigo I would want to pave
the way for the younger ones? However, I'm not sure I'm really comfortable
with the whole Indigo-ness . . . I tend to think it is the beginnings of 4D
. . . but I don't know. All I know is to do what I can do NOW, and I will
wait to see what the future unfolds . . .
If I have not answered your questions, would you please clarify what you are
referring to as the "ethical aspects"? Also, the moderators might prefer we
move this to a private conversation? While I think education is relevant to
everything, others might not feel this way.
Mary
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Date: 08/08/05 10:49:08
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Subject: Re: [asc2k] Re: All this IQ talk is depressing....
Hi Mary,
I felt amazed about your perception of the coming MANDATORY screening
of young children for "problems" as it is so different from mine.
My background includes developmental psychology and children's mental
health and I have consulted with and trained professionals working in
early childhood education, including Head Start, childcare and
preschool programs in these areas.
Many people I know in these professions see this mandated screening as
a negative . . . they feel that these "pure potential" children--many
of them with qualities of the New Kids (Indigo and Crystal Children--
are very advanced, many of them (from my perspective) Wanderers from
the 6th dimension. Already many of them are being diagnosed as
Oppositional, Defiant, Behavior Disordered and with ADD or ADHD, as a
result of their spiritual advancement and ability to speak the truth of
their experiences. Many of those on the path of Service-to-Self see
these children as a very big threat to their agenda to control,
dominate and enslave those on the path of Service-To-Other. Some of my
Native American friends are really adamant about the this point and are
working very hard to educate parents about how to protect and teach
them.
My early childhood friends feel that they will soon be forced to either
confront or cooperate with this mandated screening process and feel
afraid and conflicted about either choice they are faced with in the
near future.
I am interested in hearing about the ethical aspects about this
mandatory screening from professionals in the state of New Mexico,
which is one of the more advanced in early childhood concerns.
thanks,
Janae Weinhold
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lealdragon
08-08-2005, 12:14 PM
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<skykieng@i...> wrote:
> Now I realize why I'm having so much trouble
> grasping the principles that RA is sending
> our way, and tend to use too many words to
> describe even the most simple concepts ...
> I'm just too damned dumb!
>
> Since my S.B.IQ barely nudges over the 100
> mark,and considering I would be thrilled to
> even approach what now seems to be a
> comparitively mundane 120... much more a
> stratospherically exhalted 135,I will stop
> posting so much and instead will devote my
> time to better contemplate and study the
> wisdom-filled reflections passed along by
> my betters -- Or some such new strategy to
> better fit the realities of the situation
> that I have now been made aware of!
>
> a much humbled billydumbass
lealdragon
08-08-2005, 12:28 PM
You're NOT dumb, and already several people have posted, in an
effort to nip this in the bud, so that this discussion does not
become elitist.
Hatonn said (paraphrased, from one of the channelings at
llresearch.org) "...Your intellect is much more developed than ours.
In this density, intellect is very useful for mundane tasks like
chopping firewood. Use it for that."
In other words, intelligence is not a requirement for ascension, and
actually should not be relied on too much for spiritual matters. If
anything, it could be yet another potential distraction, if we focus
too much on trying to 'figure things out', or become arrogant
because we're so 'smart', or feel separated from others who might
not be as 'smart', or, at the very least, get too caught up in
forever intellectualizing and not actually experiencing our own
inner guidance.
As for the LoO, there is much material in there that goes completely
over my head. But that doesn't matter to me - what matters is how
much there is that I find inspiring!
And anyway, those IQ tests are certainly NOT accurate - please see
my earlier post about how the testing companies operate. There are
many aspects of intelligence that cannot be measured by such tests.
There are many educational books about the different learning
styles, in an effort to be better able to educate children. One
title that comes to mind is '7 Kinds of Smart' which details such
styles of intelligence as kinetic, and learning styles such as
audio, visual, tactile, etc. There are many others.
Please don't quit posting, Bill. Bottom line is, you're at least
smarter than Hatonn! =)
--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=mMSZlEt6jlhsHmEFZwu40DyIMWMDgLbmv-75uifpH49ys72BXgpuXMlRlcLgb35QzSR853dprN82qzwMpU54 cg), "M.W. (Bill )Gieskieng"
<skykieng@i...> wrote:
> Now I realize why I'm having so much trouble
> grasping the principles that RA is sending
> our way, and tend to use too many words to
> describe even the most simple concepts ...
> I'm just too damned dumb!
>
NEIL HADDON
08-08-2005, 01:59 PM
Mary wrote:
"They are
looking towards screening entire classrooms for kids who stand out as having
any sort of talent, and then testing them further."..." If we can help these
children, we can help society as a whole."
I do so hope you are right, and the initiative is no more than it seems on the
surface.
Why, I wonder do I get hairs prickling on the back of my neck as I read this?
Although I'm the other side of the pond, I even begin to have reservations about
innocent-sounding proposals here in UK these days.
Love.
Neil
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What are you afraid of?
Mary
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Date: 08/08/05 14:02:48
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Subject: Re: [asc2k] Re: All this IQ talk is depressing....
Mary wrote:
"They are
looking towards screening entire classrooms for kids who stand out as having
any sort of talent, and then testing them further."..." If we can help these
children, we can help society as a whole."
I do so hope you are right, and the initiative is no more than it seems on
the surface.
Why, I wonder do I get hairs prickling on the back of my neck as I read
this? Although I'm the other side of the pond, I even begin to have
reservations about innocent-sounding proposals here in UK these days.
Love.
Neil
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NEIL HADDON
08-09-2005, 02:00 AM
Mary wrote:
"What are you afraid of? "
Mary, I do my very best not to fear anything.
Like everyone else here, I try to observe events and find their meaning in the
grand, universal unfolding movie.
Sometimes, what seems like a 'bad' thing, turns out to be a step in the 'right'
direction, turned to advantage of the positive, a 'necessary evil', a catalyst.
As I said originally, I do hope that there is a sincere attempt to allow and
encourage the gifted youngsters to develop and use their insights to help us all
move through to 4D. This is the aim of people like James Twyman -
www.emissaryoflight.com
and I know there are many others seeking to support Indigo, Crystal and similar
groups of children/souls.
My concern ( sadly) is that current history/experience unfortunately shows that
where the 'establishment' i.e. governments, organised religions etc are involved
with such enterprises - either initiating them or muscling in when they began to
grow - an ulterior agenda is at work. The aim then is to manipulate and control
- to turn the innocent to the 'dark side' if you like, or at the very least to
control them so as to safeguard the 'establishment's' plan.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong in the case you referred to, but I have to say in my
observations, that the statistics are not favourable.
However, in the grand universal scheme of things, in the longer term picture,
the *ultimate* statistics do favour a positive outcome. Whilst on the surface,
as reported in the controlled and manipulated mainstream media, STS may be
ascendent (ooops! what an awful pun!), I feel there is a groundswell of love,
harmony, morality, and good ever-growing throughout humanity. The Indigo
Children refer to a 'net'or 'web' spread around the Earth to which they are all
connected: the rest of us can use the Inter-net.
(Incidentally, the Indigos also say the 'net' is strong enough for all of us!)
So, Mary, I am not afraid, but concerned to caution that things may not always
be quite what they seem. I believe that we should live as if innocence and
sincerity and openness are the norm. To remain committed to that predominant
view it may be well to remember that sometimes results take a little longer than
we would like.
Love.
Neil
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Thank you Neil, for sharing your thoughts on this. I am sorry if I seemed
somewhat confrontational in asking you what you were afraid of . . . in fact
I had written out a very long and very confrontational post which I deleted,
because I realized that I was on the defensive because I felt you all were
bursting my bubble". I realized that if I felt put on the defensive this
was something I needed to think about a little more. And I really wanted to
get to the bottom of where your previous post was coming from.
I have many times pondered why I decided to enter an establishment run by
the government at such a time as this. As a "gifted" person who was failed
by the institution it seemed the LAST place I'd ever end up. Yet I truly
feel called to get into this NOW, and to be honest I am excited by the
changes that I see occurring. If there is a STS agenda working in the
background of this change, it may very well blow up in their faces in the
long run.
At the present I have to work with what is in front of me, which is children
whose educational needs have not been met by the system. I will do
everything in my power to change that. I would never submit to anyone's
agenda, I would never sacrifice children (gifted or not) to anyone's agenda.
I will keep yours and Janae's thoughts on this in my mind, and rather than
feeling defensive, I have realized that there may be another side to this
story. If there are negative agendas in the background of these educational
changes, what is on the surface is very positive. I will work with that
for now.
I too do my very best not to fear anything. :-) I strive to manifest the
positive in everything I do.
Mary
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Date: 08/09/05 04:37:17
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Subject: Re: [asc2k] Re: All this IQ talk is depressing....
Mary wrote:
"What are you afraid of? "
Mary, I do my very best not to fear anything.
Like everyone else here, I try to observe events and find their meaning in
the grand, universal unfolding movie.
Sometimes, what seems like a 'bad' thing, turns out to be a step in the
right' direction, turned to advantage of the positive, a 'necessary evil', a
catalyst.
As I said originally, I do hope that there is a sincere attempt to allow and
encourage the gifted youngsters to develop and use their insights to help us
all move through to 4D. This is the aim of people like James Twyman - www
emissaryoflight.com
and I know there are many others seeking to support Indigo, Crystal and
similar groups of children/souls.
My concern ( sadly) is that current history/experience unfortunately shows
that where the 'establishment' i.e. governments, organised religions etc are
involved with such enterprises - either initiating them or muscling in when
they began to grow - an ulterior agenda is at work. The aim then is to
manipulate and control - to turn the innocent to the 'dark side' if you
like, or at the very least to control them so as to safeguard the
establishment's' plan.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong in the case you referred to, but I have to say in
my observations, that the statistics are not favourable.
However, in the grand universal scheme of things, in the longer term picture
the *ultimate* statistics do favour a positive outcome. Whilst on the
surface, as reported in the controlled and manipulated mainstream media, STS
may be ascendent (ooops! what an awful pun!), I feel there is a groundswell
of love, harmony, morality, and good ever-growing throughout humanity. The
Indigo Children refer to a 'net'or 'web' spread around the Earth to which
they are all connected: the rest of us can use the Inter-net.
(Incidentally, the Indigos also say the 'net' is strong enough for all of
us!)
So, Mary, I am not afraid, but concerned to caution that things may not
always be quite what they seem. I believe that we should live as if
innocence and sincerity and openness are the norm. To remain committed to
that predominant view it may be well to remember that sometimes results take
a little longer than we would like.
Love.
Neil
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NEIL HADDON
08-09-2005, 12:49 PM
Mary wrote:
"I too do my very best not to fear anything. :-) I strive to manifest the
positive in everything I do."
Bless you, Mary. I wish you every success and may your committment be rewarded.
Love.
Neil
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lealdragon
08-09-2005, 02:47 PM
Mary, I too am in a situation where I might be actually helping that
agenda - I work for an educational testing company - but unlike you I
do not actually get to work with any kids. I would love to be able to
effect change from the inside.
That's why we're here, right? To be in this world and try to make a
difference. If we run from every job or situation because it 'might'
be part of a negative agenda, then we'd have to leave the whole planet!
But unfortunately, aside from doing my best to be kind and loving to
the people I work with, I don't see how I can possibly be of any use
in helping the kids who are being affected by these standardized tests.
That's why I am very conflicted regarding my job right now - after I
helped with the scoring process, my eyes were opened to just how much
of a scam it really is, and I no longer wish to participate, even from
my little cube in the IT department. Those who've posted about their
leaving the 'system' seem fortunate in some ways; that is not an
option when there is a family to be supported by one's job.
So, I am left with the task of trying to find a way to bring about
good in a dark place. A daunting task, since I am so far removed from
the actual testing process (I just program the computers).
I think that if you are in a position of actually working with the
kids, that is really wonderful! Even if the 'system' didn't change,
you can still make a difference for those kids.
--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=US4mU21ch0ZZAolITIPzIMmvgke76hgps-WMQFKHzL6wwWdoeD4Zpg1X32ioV9iABIZzuDTKIaTMCmo), "Mary " <marybearce@e...> wrote:
> I have many times pondered why I decided to enter an establishment
run by the government at such a time as this...
> At the present I have to work with what is in front of me, which is
children
> whose educational needs have not been met by the system. I will do
> everything in my power to change that.
Maybe you are where you are for a reason? I don't know. But you are right,
when you gotta pay the bills, you gotta. I think, however, when you find
your answer you will know it. I was stuck in a dead-end job that I hated
before, there was a lot of bad stuff going on in my life. I got an e-mail
one day with a lot of advice type stuff in it and it said something about
that your employer could replace you but your family could not. So I went
home that night and told my husband that I hated my job and he said "so quit
it!" and I DID! We really couldn't afford it either, but it seemed the
right thing to do. We struggled financially, however, I guess are no worse
for the wear. LOL I think you just know when the time is right to make
these sort of moves.
Mary
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Date: 08/09/05 14:48:26
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Subject: [asc2k] Re: All this IQ talk is depressing....
That's why I am very conflicted regarding my job right now - after I
helped with the scoring process, my eyes were opened to just how much
of a scam it really is, and I no longer wish to participate, even from
my little cube in the IT department. Those who've posted about their
leaving the 'system' seem fortunate in some ways; that is not an
option when there is a family to be supported by one's job.
So, I am left with the task of trying to find a way to bring about
good in a dark place. A daunting task, since I am so far removed from
the actual testing process (I just program the computers).
I think that if you are in a position of actually working with the
kids, that is really wonderful! Even if the 'system' didn't change,
you can still make a difference for those kids.
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Back at ya, babe. ;-)
Mary
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Date: 08/09/05 12:50:01
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Subject: Re: [asc2k] Re: All this IQ talk is depressing....
Bless you, Mary. I wish you every success and may your committment be
rewarded.
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David Wilcock
08-11-2005, 11:31 PM
Hey there,
I'm not sure what happened here. This was Petrus' email but when I accepted
it, it appeared to be from me.
- David
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Petrus
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [asc2k] All this IQ talk is depressing....
>Since my S.B.IQ barely nudges over the 100
>mark,and considering I would be thrilled to
Hi Bill,
Personally I don't think it's at all necessary for people to feel
depressed about a low IQ score.
Petrus
08-12-2005, 12:01 PM
>Since my S.B.IQ barely nudges over the 100
>mark,and considering I would be thrilled to
Hi Bill,
Personally I don't think it's at all necessary for people to feel
depressed about a low IQ score. A story I've told people who lamented
seemingly low intelligence at times is that I was at a party held by an
uncle once, and was watching a DVD of The Matrix, when I was joined by a
guy I hadn't met before. This particular guy had reasonably visible
retardation (on most tests he would probably have been somewhere between
50-75 or so) yet he began talking to me about the storyline of the film,
and how much he had thought about it and tried to understand it. To me
he displayed a much more thorough understanding of the film's storyline
and thematic content than I've heard from people who on paper might have
had an IQ of 2-3 times his own. The point is that he was willing to
make use of whatever intelligence he had, and the outcome was far more
impressive than in the case of other people whose *inherent* level of
intelligence might have been much higher, but who were far less
proactive about using it.
The bottom line is that there is inherent and applied intelligence, and
the amount that you have inherently is in itself nowhere near as
important as what you do with it. To be honest, all I really feel that
a higher number might mean is that a person perhaps might not have to
break a given problem down *quite* so much in their head in order to be
able to solve it - i.e., they can skip steps. That does not mean that a
person with a lower IQ can not achieve the same amount...it will merely
take them a little longer perhaps because they have to go from A to B to
C to D, whereas someone with a slightly higher number could perhaps go
directly from A to C in terms of problem solving steps.
For the record, my own number fluctuates anywhere between 135 and 155,
depending on the test, how alert I'm feeling on a given day, and
probably the phase of the moon. I also don't feel anywhere near as
intelligent as 155 most of the time - my work with Linux has actually
been very good for me from the point of view of giving me humility in
that area...I needed to be taken down a peg with regards to it I think.
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