To David!

[tobbe jansson]

Language "barrier" can sometimes be a bad thing, as in
this case...

I did not call YOU a **** David... i called the
PHENOMENA of loving the money a ****!!!

ThatÃà‚‚Â ´s why i writed it to geather as one world...
*MoneyLoving*****

Obiusly you took it the wrong way... IÃÂà ƒÂƒÃ‚‚‚ÂàƒÃ‚ƒÃ‚‚´m sorry!

And i DO LOVE YOU!
TorbjÃÃÂà ‚‚ƒÃ ‚¶rn.




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[David Wilcock]

From: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=zT0QoEAXEMM3wD-rFD2IKtmpZ12lfsWP2ZZpO9nFscQrX4-8dUUbczpCNYT6JKAOWtGKjlBuPZMos8ChoA) [mailto:asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=zT0QoEAXEMM3wD-rFD2IKtmpZ12lfsWP2ZZpO9nFscQrX4-8dUUbczpCNYT6JKAOWtGKjlBuPZMos8ChoA)] On Behalf Of
tobbe jansson

> Obiusly you took it the wrong way... IÃÂà ƒÂƒÃ‚‚‚ÂàƒÃ‚ƒÃ‚‚´m sorry!

And i DO LOVE YOU!
TorbjÃÃÂà ‚‚ƒÃ ‚¶rn.

DW: I do thank you for the apology. Had you not apologized I would not have
written anything more on this issue than what is already posted.

I should point out that it has been at least a year since someone posted (or
tried to post, let's say) profane language on this site without masking the
word somehow, such as by dropping or changing letters. Masking takes out a
significant amount of the hateful energy in the word. To actually spell it
right out is, frankly, tasteless. And then to have it be an attack email-
regardless of who you were attacking- only further diminishes your
credibility, quite honestly. I would be disappointed to see this type of
conduct regardless of who it was directed at, and most of it would be
moderated before it ever sees the light of day.

By writing something that did not contribute anything meaningful to
discussion, but simply waged a personal attack on a fellow list member with
profanity, you crossed a line- a boundary. As you have now seen, once that
line is crossed your words can be taken in many different ways and you
create unhappiness, tension and negativity. It is a good idea to think ahead
to how those words can be seen by others if you want to be respected.

Any Law of One scholar worth their salt is immediately going to see that you
are actually projecting- i.e. you are attacking your own unhealed issues
about prosperity when you see them projected in someone else. This is why I
posted one of your old messages that shows that this aversion to prosperity
is your own issue, and has been for at least 3 years:

-----Original Message-----
From: tobbe jansson
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 4:59 PM

"I do not like money, as money is used, in this present
(last) time."

So compare that statement to this from today:

>Language "barrier" can sometimes be a bad thing, as in
this case...

>I did not call YOU a **** David... i called the
PHENOMENA of loving the money a ****!!!

There are several problems here. Experience has shown me that issues with
money and prosperity relate directly to issues of self-worth and
self-respect. Money is another form of energy. The Law of One philosophy has
a lot to say on this issue and it does NOT at all come across with this Old
World-sounding Biblical catchphrase like "The love of money is the root of
all evil."

It is also an act of judgment and assumption to say that I "love the money"
just because I am talking about real-life issues that I am dealing with. The
only reason why I can think that you would "get" that out of the last post
is that you don't read English well enough to really grasp what I was
saying. Real-world issues, and how we can handle them based on the Law of
One philosophy, is very much on-topic for this discussion group.

One of the issues I mentioned was my being harassed by Sprint and their
creditors for nine grueling months over a clerical error. I was subscribed
to Zone long distance, a company that gives you very inexpensive
long-distance and bills you strictly online. When I moved to my new house, I
told Bellsouth to "Keep everything the same" on my service, and the
Bellsouth people saw that I was on "Sprint," since Zone leases their long
distance lines from other providers. Sprint was the company they were
leasing from and billing me at 3 cents a minute for direct-dial long
distance.

Thus, Bellsouth automatically switched me over to Sprint's "basic" plan at
30 cents a minute. Once I moved in I could not get broadband for weeks. I
was forced to use frequent dial-up Internet access, actually with Bellsouth,
which had to be a long-distance call, for two weeks after I moved. This was
the only way I could stay in touch with everyone who sends so much email and
not be perceived as ignoring them.

Then all of a sudden, two weeks after I arrived, my long distance was cut
off entirely without explanation - and it took almost 2 weeks more to get it
properly reinstated. Sprint had in fact cut me off themselves, because they
KNOW that this plan is a scam and they don?t want it to get too expensive-
just enough that they can actually go after people and win. They make it so
difficult for you to fight them that you naturally just want to pay them the
450 dollars (probably where the computer cuts it off) rather than spend
hours and days of your life trying to win the case.

My administrator called me in a fury when a telephone bill for nearly 600
dollars impacted shortly thereafter. Other unrelated things were combined
with this new factoid to paint a negative portrait of me, and I was
innocent. It took a lot of explaining for me to prove this.

Then, once we were "in it," Sprint played very, very dirty, including
telling many blatant lies- the most significant of which was denying that
they had ever signed me up on this new plan in the first place, (assuming I
had thrown away all relevant documentation to prove otherwise) and trying to
say that they were now chasing me for the same amount- $450- that had now
mysteriously appeared as a debt I allegedly owed them from 1999. In the
process they didn't even change the account number they were using- the same
one I had been assigned when they pulled this trick in the first place.

This is just the beginning of the story and there's no point in telling the
whole thing. Suffice it to say that in the end I was able to send scanned
documents on a CD to the Kentucky Public Service Commission that proved that
Sprint was lying. This also included a .wav file that documented over 20
different harassing phone calls from Sprint's creditor on my answering
machine within a single month. It's not a pleasant audio file to listen to
and I do not plan on including it in the archive! ;)

I could have had a MAJOR lawsuit on my hands for how illegal Sprint's
attempts were to pursue 450 measly little dollars, and I got quite the
hand-wringing apology from the higher-up of Sprint who called me on the
phone once all was said and done, and we had absolutely proven that fraud
and aggravated harassment was occurring. Sprint blamed it all on their
credit-retrieval company, IC System.

Had I sued Sprint over this, then yes, I think it would be fair to accuse me
of "loving the money." And let's not forget that Bellsouth was ultimately
responsible for creating this mess, by signing me up on a plan that no human
being in their right mind would agree to.

So you can imagine how it felt for Bellsouth to call me up now and want 1200
more dollars immediately- not exactly pocket change- after having never
informed me that this could even possibly happen if I ordered their T1
service.

The only way I could realistically have paid Bellsouth would have been to
NOT take a month off from doing readings. That would definitely be seen as a
retro-active step at this point, and could actually ruin everything. All
over a financial issue that could be prevented if I exited the contract with
Bellsouth.

Then, they came back the next day and said that they had made a "mistake"
and that I might not owe them the 1200 at all. Yet the day before, they
suggested that I overnight them the check that same day. Think about it. Had
I sent them $1200 the day before, would they really have turned around and
said it was a mistake? No, they were simply doing whatever they could to try
to keep me bound to the contract.

I felt very threatened, remembering the nine months of agony that Bellsouth
had already brought down upon me before. Those nine months definitely
consumed valuable time and vital energy that could have been going into my
website and my work in planetary service. The last thing I wanted was
another horrific contract debacle with Bellsouth or its affiliates again.

Therefore, the whole point of why I wrote yesterday's post was to show that
in this situation, I had every reason to be terrified, to react in fear, and
to say something rash and thoughtless like in your email to the Bellsouth
representative. Nonetheless, I stayed totally cool and totally open and
compassionate. As a direct result of my NOT going into fear, scarcity and
negativity, I was able to be miraculously freed from the contract just like
that.

Thus I consider this to be an excellent teaching for others, who inevitably
find themselves in similar types of situations in these challenging times.
Even those who are spiritually advanced often retreat into fear and scarcity
consciousness when they are attacked as directly as what happened to me with
Sprint and Bellsouth. Yet my testament is living proof that you can be very
friendly, never raise your voice, stay totally on the positive path, and
actually prevail in these horrible ordeals. There are very few people out
there promoting that this type of thing can really happen, and I want to be
a voice for the fact that love conquers all in such situations, if you can
truly come from a place of truth and integrity. Frankly I was amazed that it
worked so well.

Hence the only thing that makes any sense here was that you have to work
hard, with poor English skills, to get through a whole post and therefore
you didn't actually read it carefully or thoroughly enough to see the
punch-line for what it was. I might be willing to say that it was about
"Money, Love and $hit"- how about that? :)

Peace be with you -

- David

[Chuck]

Perhaps you are providing us all with "group catalyst" TorbjÃÃÂà ‚‚ƒÃ ‚¶rn.

David is giving a great gift to all of us who participate in this forum.
By sharing the trials and tribulations he is going through, he is
allowing us to see a bit of how David Wilcock deals with the world
around him.

If we really DO believe in this stuff, and we really DO think that David
may have a little better handle on it than the rest of us do, then we
all get the benefit of sitting in the comfort and safety of our living
rooms and watching not only how the world knocks him around, but how HE
deals with it, or how the Law is more properly applied.

What better way to teach and learn than to open your soul to a group of
people and share your daily frustrations?

I think we are all truly blessed for this forum being here, and I am
grateful for the work you do.

David bears the brunt of that work, and takes the responsibility on his
shoulders. After all, it is HIS forum. But it is also his cause, and
anything that he can do to put himself into a position to further that
cause, should not be disparaged, but supported.

It's incredibly difficult to put huge amounts of effort into something,
to bring it to fruition, and to have the Monday Morning Quarterbacks all
talk about the flaws
deficiencies.

But that is the path that David have chosen. Be assured that it will be
fraught with these things.

But also be assured (if I may be so bold as to speak for the group),
that you will have our love and support to fall back on.


Peace and Hope to you all.

A hui ho!






Language "barrier" can sometimes be a bad thing, as in
this case...

I did not call YOU a **** David... i called the
PHENOMENA of loving the money a ****!!!

ThatÃà‚‚Â ´s why i writed it to geather as one world...
*MoneyLoving*****

Obiusly you took it the wrong way... IÃÂà ƒÂƒÃ‚‚‚ÂàƒÃ‚ƒÃ‚‚´m sorry!

And i DO LOVE YOU!
TorbjÃÃÂà ‚‚ƒÃ ‚¶rn.







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[David Wilcock]

From: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=G6KT8_PGF2vreSgrx2rY39rsZD3NyB5f-lCpnYCU4LgUnxYUhiIxn4jkVpwS7EQGNAV3hwVHxh2ln_lx) [mailto:asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=G6KT8_PGF2vreSgrx2rY39rsZD3NyB5f-lCpnYCU4LgUnxYUhiIxn4jkVpwS7EQGNAV3hwVHxh2ln_lx)] On Behalf Of
Chuck

>If we really DO believe in this stuff, and we really DO think that David
may have a little better handle on it than the rest of us do, then we
all get the benefit of sitting in the comfort and safety of our living
rooms and watching not only how the world knocks him around, but how HE
deals with it, or how the Law is more properly applied.

What better way to teach and learn than to open your soul to a group of
people and share your daily frustrations?

[snip]

But also be assured (if I may be so bold as to speak for the group),
that you will have our love and support to fall back on.

DW: I thank you for saying these nice things. It's probably a good idea not
to be overly affected by negative OR positive feedback, but heck- I'm human!


I would hope that I can apply the law properly, but it's always a question
of discernment. The whole work of spiritual growth lies in the fact that you
can't make hard-and-fast pronouncements over what is right and wrong in any
given situation.

Of course each person has strengths and weaknesses, and each person who
makes an earnest attempt to understand the great mysteries of the universe
will have something unique to contribute and add that is positive and
beneficial. That is why Ra said, in the Law of One series, that they learn
from us as we learn from them. My own source has emphasized this point and I
feel that the 500 clients I've taken over the years has triggered much in
the way of new understandings.

One major addition to the catalog, that I feel was not adequately covered
and spelled out in the Law of One series, is the issue of codependency. The
term hadn't even been coined at the time that the Law of One came through.
The more I have grown in myself, though, the more I see this as a focal
point for human distortion- a stumbling block that we invariably keep
running into in our own way.

I'm feeling as if the old David has "died" and I am reinventing myself. I
finally know that I have reached a turning point that is every bit as
significant as the moment that I realized I had too many client reading
requests, at all different times of day, to be able to keep taking any type
of "regular jobs".

Now that I actually am going back through and review when I did readings for
people, I see that all three of the Convergence books were predominantly
written when I had little or no clients. Divine Cosmos in particular was the
fruit of a period of time where I burned up a modest inheritance I got when
my grandfather passed away.

It is amazing to be sitting here and have that ongoing background feeling
that I'm going to have to perform for a client keep creeping in. I always
"know," on the instinctual level, that the next one is never more than a day
or two away. Actually taking a whole month away from that energy, and still
be in my regular space instead of on some wild trip to Puerto Rico or Egypt
or San Francisco or Atlanta or the Caribbean or LA, et cetera, is really
quite, uh, trippy.

We're now digging into the meat of how the actual sub-pages of the site are
going to look, and I'm taking a crash-course in Dreamweaver and cascading
style-sheet design. I think when all is said and done we can create a real
crackerjack of a website. I'm actually looking forward to going through this
learning curve because there's so much going on.

BTW, stupid trivia: In a fit of surprisingly rare boredom, I took that
"Tickle" IQ test online and was well aware that I answered every question
correctly. It spat back an IQ of 135, and said that I was a "Visionary
Philosopher" in the tradition of Plato, with a wide-ranging array of
problem-solving talents. It loaded all sorts of compliments on me about
intelligence and so forth. I did not pay the 13 bucks to learn any more.

I was sitting at the keyboard later that night and writing about it, saying
my opinion that this must be the maximum IQ score they would allow me to
have (I suppose it is possible that I got one or two wrong, but I honestly
knew exactly what they were driving at with each question; I did not find it
to be a difficult test.) As I had this thought and wrote it down, I looked
over at the clock and it said 1:35 - which was the score they had just given
me! Cool. I guess that was the answer.

(Part of this maximum score is due to age-handicapping. Had I said I was 55,
I would have gotten a higher score, even by as much as another 30 points-
it's that significant of a handicap.)

I had to laugh because as it said on there that it was "Ph.D. certified"
results, I said "so what? There's plenty of Ph.D.'s out there and a lot of
them don't have a clue what they're talking about." The real Stamford-Binet
IQ test is a very long ordeal and this was only about 40 questions or so;
which means it is hardly conclusive.

Nonetheless, it was humbling to score a 135 when I had taken one in the 90s
where they said that their scoring system did not allow for me to score as
well as I did. In that case they had 55 questions and you simply were not
permitted to score more than 50 correct, after which your IQ no longer
increased. In that case the highest they officially allowed me to have was a
128, but then when I looked at the sheet and saw that the score increased by
a set number of points more for each correct answer, I realized that the
score I should have gotten for my age was a 179.

Anyway, how in the world did I get into this? It's TOTALLY transient. I
guess I just wanted to make sure I still had the "chops" to do the intense
work.

So it's back to the steep learning curve on new software in anticipation of
a dramatically upgraded site. See you guys later!

Peace be with you -

- David

[lealdragon]

David, I work for a testing company - they sell the standardized
tests to the schools that determine whether children pass or fail in
school, in addition to various other diagnostic, IQ, achievement
tests, emotional/psychological diagnostic tests, etc.

I can tell you unequivocally that the entire testing industry is
just that - an industry. The tests are far from reliable!

Specifically, tests are designed to categorize people, and always,
always, always, there is a designated 'correct' answer; therefore,
the tests do not take into consideration people who 'think outside
the box.'

In addition, even within their restrictions, I have often found
errors in these tests. The company tries to be unbiased, but they
still make mistakes. Sometimes it's a matter of wording - the item
can be interpreted in different ways. Those Phds who create the test
items might be very smart, but they aren't always very good at
thinking of how the words will be interpreted by another person.

I was appalled when I helped score tests - I was told to score the
tests based on certain criteria, and if the person deviated from
those 'correct' answers they were not to be given credit, EVEN IF
they obviously demonstrated a grasp of the material. Students were
denied points because of technicalities - if they were 'smart*ss' or
creative, but failed to follow the instructions to the letter, they
were penalized.

Obviously, it is these same students, the ones who are creative and
think of alternate endings to stories, alternate ways of solving
problems, see things from different angles, etc. who are the most
intelligent!!!! Yet they often get lower scores than those who have
mediocre intelligence but are better at following directions.

The supervisors where I work admitted that the standardized tests
have no provisions for gifted kids!!! can you believe that?!!!

Therefore, the tests really do not measure intelligence at all;
rather, they measure conformity. (which is, of course, the true
purpose of schools: not to teach students how to think, but to teach
them how to conform.)

The 'IQ' tests might be a bit better than the school standardized
tests, but I've seen some of them, and they're really not all that
much better.

I don't expect you'd score very high on a test for conformity. =)

Anyway, we all know your IQ is much higher than 135. That is just SO
obvious!! (duh)



--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=E9ruKl-kRyYZL0D84eBYtmv6rnfjP7PWFK5Hl0221gOTnVfef8sgMhEhi 2sciiYusAVvAKXzagtqoPjbIg), "David Wilcock" <djw333@i...> wrote:

>
> I had to laugh because as it said on there that it was "Ph.D.
certified"
> results, I said "so what? There's plenty of Ph.D.'s out there and
a lot of
> them don't have a clue what they're talking about." The real
Stamford-Binet
> IQ test is a very long ordeal and this was only about 40 questions
or so;
> which means it is hardly conclusive.
>

[Mary]

David,

I took the tickle IQ test once and scored 17 points lower than I did on an
actual IQ test, so perhaps it's just not that accurate. I felt a little
deflated over it too! But perhaps it's just as well, even tho technically I
m in the genius range, I can act pretty stupid sometimes. LOL

Mary


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Nonetheless, it was humbling to score a 135 when I had taken one in the 90s
where they said that their scoring system did not allow for me to score as
well as I did. In that case they had 55 questions and you simply were not
permitted to score more than 50 correct, after which your IQ no longer
increased. In that case the highest they officially allowed me to have was a
128, but then when I looked at the sheet and saw that the score increased by
a set number of points more for each correct answer, I realized that the
score I should have gotten for my age was a 179.

- David






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[Mary]

Believe it!!! I just spent the last 3 days at a conference of the NM Gifted
Institute. The entire focus of this conference was getting teachers to
realize that the gifted kids aren't always the ones who turn in their
homework every day and get A's on all the tests. I got to hear lectures on
how to recognize giftedness in poverty, in kids with learning disabilities
(for example, many kids with ADD are also intellectually gifted), and so on.
It was amazing!!! I am so excited about this, as a future educator. Too
often the truly gifted kids are passed over because they have an "attitude"
and get frustrated and end up not doing well and/or dropping out of school.
Unfortunately, in our society frequently the really intelligent people are
actually discrinitated against. Strange world . . . However the people I
heard over the weekend are really forging ahead on changing that!!! Yay!

Mary

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Date: 08/07/05 11:19:28
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Subject: [asc2k] Re: To David!
The supervisors where I work admitted that the standardized tests
have no provisions for gifted kids!!! can you believe that?!!!

Therefore, the tests really do not measure intelligence at all;
rather, they measure conformity. (which is, of course, the true
purpose of schools: not to teach students how to think, but to teach
them how to conform.)

The 'IQ' tests might be a bit better than the school standardized
tests, but I've seen some of them, and they're really not all that
much better.





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[lealdragon]

Awesome! I'm so glad to hear that the schools are FINALLY beginning to
recognize this. My son is gifted, and I don't think he would have made
it in school, for a variety of reasons. Because not even the best
private school in town was able to meet his individual needs, we
decided to homeschool.

There are so many other gifted kids out there who don't have the same
opportunity my son has had. It is a myth that the gifted kids will
somehow just flourish in school - many of them fall thru the cracks.
Or, they are labeled and medicated and shut up and forced to conform,
and the bright light that was there grows dim...


--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=bSeWxML9DqLztnGwTH-QZizeRFTDQvou96DNveu0RuoGiK2CbzQcDFmDLS8l2A-3Z-PopxUG8HOdd2tAmpHe), "Mary " <marybearce@e...> wrote:
> Believe it!!! I just spent the last 3 days at a conference of the
NM Gifted
> Institute. The entire focus of this conference was getting teachers
to
> realize that the gifted kids aren't always the ones who turn in their
> homework every day and get A's on all the tests.

[jeffreykiksit]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=iE3-4q-U8AsRglqv_9CIxtLdP8waVT2A4wANWIFPQYY_KwDRwq6RpZ_Ek NfgEIbyLOQ9L2W8ecvtmCSFBvkIug), "lealdragon" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
My son is gifted, and I don't think he would have made
> it in school, for a variety of reasons.
___________________
I would just try to stay positive. Just because he is gifted does
not necesarily mean he will be labeled or sterotyped his whole life.

With the proper nurturing he could still grow up normally, without
the arrogance found in many that are told that they posses a gift
that others do not. He can then learn that this "gift" in no way
obligates him to attempt to apply himself in a profession for which
he may have no interest in.

As far as Davids 125 iq score, personnally I think his work as a
scientist is much more meaningful than any number on a test. Some
will see the admission of his score as arrogant, some will be
inspired by such incredible work being done with such a low IQ, and
some will just see a number.

After all, if you use 150 points all on your IQ, that only leaves
another 50 points left to use on other things like good looks and
athletisism when creating your character....lol

[Jake Almond]

DW: "It spat back an IQ of 135"

Lol. I got 122. I must admit there were a few questions that I guessed
on. One was basically the meaning of a word I didn't know. But that's
just trivia really isn't it? Whether or not you've been exposed to
that data or not. It doesn't really measure your 'intelligence' and
certainly not your wisdom! Well thats my excuse anyway hehe. :)

Jake

[Mary]

FINALLY is right. It is amazing to me that the schools do such a poor job
of meeting the needs of the really bright kids, however, we may be on the
brink of a change. I do NOT think that the school system's policy of
encouraging mediocrity is acceptable. And I do hope that in the process of
ID'ing the bright kids and working with them the education levels will be
raised for ALL kids.

I am in the same boat with my son, though he is only 6 and going into 1st
grade. Kindergarten was a nightmare. Unfortunately I can't homeschool him,
my financial situation is such that I have to go back to work. I am working
on a degree in education and will be teaching in a couple years. So even
though I won't be able able to homeschool, I will be right there breathing
down people's necks!!! LOL

Mary

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Subject: [asc2k] Re: To David!

Awesome! I'm so glad to hear that the schools are FINALLY beginning to
recognize this. My son is gifted, and I don't think he would have made
it in school, for a variety of reasons. Because not even the best
private school in town was able to meet his individual needs, we
decided to homeschool.

There are so many other gifted kids out there who don't have the same
opportunity my son has had. It is a myth that the gifted kids will
somehow just flourish in school - many of them fall thru the cracks.
Or, they are labeled and medicated and shut up and forced to conform,
and the bright light that was there grows dim...



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[tobbe jansson]

As i feel that my departure from this group was in
"diss", i offer some pics from my livings to David W.
I LOVE YOU DAVID!


http://tobbelobbe.zoto.com/user/cat_summary/CAT.0


TorbjÃÃÂà ‚‚ƒÃ ‚¶rn.




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From: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=j8ilpB2mFGNO6XHqqslZFB5_d0dAAZ6mu5SCr8 LCJTSumfH9r2iEi6s2CQSCEQfx06C-njFueYZaz13f) [mailto:asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=j8ilpB2mFGNO6XHqqslZFB5_d0dAAZ6mu5SCr8 LCJTSumfH9r2iEi6s2CQSCEQfx06C-njFueYZaz13f)] On Behalf Of
tobbe jansson

>As i feel that my departure from this group was in "diss", i offer some
pics from my livings to David W. I LOVE YOU DAVID!

http://tobbelobbe.zoto.com/user/cat_summary/CAT.0

TorbjÃÃÂà ‚‚ƒÃ ‚¶rn.

DW: Well again this might make me seem like the inattentive father type, but
I haven't even been tracking who's "in" and who's "out" in terms of
membership. So let's just keep it simple by saying "thanks for the positive
vibes!" That applies to everyone here.

I have finally been transcribing material from 1998 that had remained locked
up on cassette tapes all this time, and it is truly astonishing. There are
two time periods- one from four years ago and one from seven and a half
years ago- where I am now seeing some truly remarkable prophecies of my life
right now.

This includes living in Los Angeles, working on a film, the names,
characters and pets of the people I'm working with, what I'm supposed to
learn from the people I'm working with, et cetera. Some of these same
prophecies are nestled in with statements supporting the spontaneous
ascension model. That's only six years farther down the road from where we
are right now. So why would I discount a six-year prophecy when I'm already
seeing it work from seven and a half years ago?

It's been very interesting lately. The transcription is a lot of work but
I'm finding it immensely rewarding. I also know I need to do it myself
because there are points where it is unclear and I'd have had to go back and
listen to the tapes again anyway to figure out what I said. Also this is the
most personal material I have. I've never felt like I had enough time in the
past to actually sit down and do all this transcribing, so that's another
good sign that things are becoming more balanced.

Peace be with you -

- David

[Michael Abrient]

On 6/15/06, David Wilcock <djw333@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=hFv9asvupOIN_7zeSDlHPfWJ0nPUM-CFxs_s3yeGPM9DpVj_58WdPUniuvcNMOS3X0-cgVIRenTos4aKonA)> wrote:
>
>
> It's been very interesting lately. The transcription is a lot of work but
> I'm finding it immensely rewarding. I also know I need to do it myself
> because there are points where it is unclear and I'd have had to go back
> and
> listen to the tapes again anyway to figure out what I said. Also this is
> the
> most personal material I have. I've never felt like I had enough time in
> the
> past to actually sit down and do all this transcribing, so that's another
> good sign that things are becoming more balanced.


A:
Speaking of prophecies, I've been trying to figure out how to wedge this in
onto the forum, via appropriate segways that garner the reader's (that's
you!) attention. But it's probably going to be pretty impossible. This will
all be unduly personal, boring, Law of Blog kind of thing, but who's gonna
care.

How I actually stumbled upon David's work was tied into a combination of
random googling, and too, the work I was doing on my philosophy project in
college at the time, which was an extension of the creative work that had
started when I was a kid and continued on through my adolescence and even
till now.

For instance. I had figured out, all by myself, that the tetrahedron was the
basic shape of 3D reality basing my assumption on the light spectrum and the
shape it makes-- if you take the four cardinal colors, red, yellow, green,
and blue, then the three neutral shades of white and black being on either
tip with gray in the middle, draw straight lines to the seven points...
that's just how it turns out to be.

I also came to the conclusion that each of the seven points represented a
metaphysical concept, like part of the life cycle within our dimension. And
those points were death, life, fertility, cultivation, mutation, regression,
ascension. Long before I had read about Plato's divided line or knew what
chakras were or a torus looked like, I imagined, too, that the human "event"
was really a nexus of different forces, reaching up from the material world
(which spans in infinity) up through a locus of consciousness that contained
a lower portion of emotion, and a higher portion of rational thought, which
also had a downpouring of force from the infinite spiritual plane.

Anyway. The only reason I began to think about any of this was because of
this creative world I had made up when I was a kid and the way it grew as I
grew.

It started when I was living in London when I was aged somewhere in the
mid-ranged single digits. I had just gotten out of my big dinosaur
obsession-- the obsession when I would stare at the bones in the museums, or
read the books, thinking once upon a time I was a T-Rex, or that I was
related to them somehow.

So, I left that and dove into this huge Egypt craze (kids are weird, this
will be the theme for the next few paragraphs). Which resulted in us going
to the museums again, this time to look at the mummies, the masks, the
artifacts, and the statues. I think I was five or six actually when this
happened-- we were looking at the exhumed mummy of some queen in the British
Museum and I got really mad. My dad asked me what my problem was, and I told
him, this wasn't right: how would the British feel if the Egyptians dug up
Queen Victoria and put her on display in Cairo?

I really internalized what I knew at the time about Egyptian art and
mythology and synthesized it into how I saw the world I guess. Anyway,
Nintendo came into my life. My family couldn't really afford to have one, so
I wound up just making up my own characters on the playground and playing
with my friends. King Koopa was my favorite Super Mario character, and
looking back on the comics and the cartoons, it's really easy to see why,
because the sunnuva gun had the best one-liners of anyone in any Gen-X/ 80's
franchise. Reactionary to that, the character that I made for myself and
played as most of the time was this armadillo-like creature, with a snout
and long ears, who was a powerful sorcerer-king, wore a pharaoh's crown and
warrior's armor, lived in the desert in an Egyptian-styled pyramid, ate
bugs, his logo was this stylized eye in a sun disk, and was always at odds
with whatever random protagonist my other friends would come up with as we
would act out these episodes.

Eventually the theater of the story telling moved to outer space as I got
older, and the character became some kind of literary Tolkien-esque god. The
kingdom he ruled, which was really a magical extension of himself, was based
on a technology in the form this substance that could take whatever form was
desired of it. This is when more of the heavy-duty metaphysical issues
started to reveal themselves to me. I don't know if this is allegorical
past-life recall or what-- a part of me wants to say it is, but it's really
dramatic and literary. I would definitely call it more gesticulative than
accurate. Looking back on my artistic development (I guess that's the best
way of putting it, though with a name like that it makes it seem waaay more
important) with what I know now, I see Orion themes, pyramid-building
(drawing the pictures as a kid I went into excruciating detail eventually
discovering 50-degrees or so was the best slope for the sides to have), the
god Set, intelligent infinity manipulating, interesting stuff, all for the
sake of drama to pass the time of course... all being enacted daily in some
kind of pantomime, brought into view of my conscious mind. This could be me
coloring my past, but it really makes me wonder.

Moving right along. About the time I was 13 or so, living in the States by
now, another group of characters spontaneously emerged out of this paradigm.
This high priest character, chosen by this Egyptian-derived god, showed up--
him being more of the "boss" in the picture now because this older
character/ god became so powerful he lived in this other-wordly realm. I
really had to ponder what this meant, or how such a thing could work out,
and I came to the conclusion there were different levels to the universe,
with more powerful beings existing in higher, ordinarily intangible/
invisible realms, but ultimately the universe was its own creator, and that
there was a point outside of time and space that made this ultimate unity
possible. All this was contrary to my Christian instilled beliefs, all
before I had read anything about psychic phenomena, philosophy, much less
Law of One, etc., and the only reason I guess I got away with it in my mind
was by explaining it away as fiction, and that I was inventing a physics for
some kind of fantasy world in my head.

So anyway, this high priest emerged, but he wasn't the character I
associated with my ego at the time. This priest, embodying the "ascension"
idea, had four other beings working in tangent with him, each representing a
death/ life/ fertility/ cultivation cardinality. They all looked human, but
it was explained to me by my creative intuition they weren't bound by any
one form, but when they did appear in some human form they weren't flesh but
some kind of energy, they were perishable but divinely long-lived, and had
these supernatural powers and such. Also, that these characters, because
they were so powerful, belonged to the realm one step above the human realm,
but were able to interact with the human world by assuming these forms.

The most important part of the plot was this story took place at some point
in the "future" after some great shift had occurred which allowed all this
to become possible (I promise I'm not adding spin to this!). The high priest
built a pyramid, in space, and this spaceship was kinda where they all hung
out, and they had business going on in various parts of the human-based
universe and elsewhere. My pre-teen ego associated with the "death"
character, who's name came intuitively to me which I found out could be
translated in Latin as "the sun is the dragon", who wound up being the
apprentice for this high priest. As all this started to snowball into its
own episodic story, I started to see more parallels of what I had going on
in my subjective life manifest around me. Of course now, the older wiser me,
I see most of this stuff, while still being highly allegorical of my own
internal states, reeks of Law of One kind of information.

Too, my creation and ongoing tweaking of this high priest character was
probably coincided around '96-'98, which may be interesting to some. Also,
the "great change" that was alluded to, the kinds of beings existing above
the human world that I felt associated with at that time, might seem to echo
certain topics of chronic interest around here.

Everyone talks about their two cents. I guess I threw a roll of quarters at
you.

If you made it this far, kudos.

Peace,
A


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[Micksky@...]

Thanks, Joe. It has to be. There aren't two forces sustaining this life.
It's obviously One and that One is omnipresent so there is nowhere that God
isn't. It only appears not to be that way because we look through the filters of
the senses and the personal mind of separation, which is fear-based and
therefore desperately attached to keeping things the way they are. It's ironic
that the Unified Life that wants to gift everyone through expressing its
abundance is so powerfully resisted by so many who would benefit so much through
a
simple, but not easy, shift of awareness. Fortunately, the dice are loaded and
Good or God always prevail, even though the mills of God grind slowly. Thank
goodness we are in the approaching time of the Golden Age, because it has
been a very long journey

Michael

In a message dated 6/16/2006 2:39:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
j_stubler@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=h1TQw7kpgkFfZjb9UY7PfAUb_4Z7IzPYLlQXa_ Ab87062ohbTCZiJz-r2-8-_gkpkl0TKgMhVL-zXIM) writes:

Michael,

Your post was a very interesting read. I guess I would have to add my
two cents which basically is that, to some degree, many of us have
had "inklings" or "intuitive" concepts that relate to the Law of One
material in our heads before we were ever exposed to the Law of One
material. The fact that so much of these concepts are intuitive and
make sense to us gives credence to the idea that we have all been
around the block, so to speak, more than once. I wish I were as clear
and succinct as some of the folks who post on this board. Speaking
for myself, I have from the time I was about 4 or 5, before I could
even read, imagined that the universe was one being. And have always
thought, inspite if being raised in a strict German/Catholic home that
the concept of God was actually the summation of all of creation in
one entity.

Regards,

Joe








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[j_stubler]

Michael,

Your post was a very interesting read. I guess I would have to add my
two cents which basically is that, to some degree, many of us have
had "inklings" or "intuitive" concepts that relate to the Law of One
material in our heads before we were ever exposed to the Law of One
material. The fact that so much of these concepts are intuitive and
make sense to us gives credence to the idea that we have all been
around the block, so to speak, more than once. I wish I were as clear
and succinct as some of the folks who post on this board. Speaking
for myself, I have from the time I was about 4 or 5, before I could
even read, imagined that the universe was one being. And have always
thought, inspite if being raised in a strict German/Catholic home that
the concept of God was actually the summation of all of creation in
one entity.

Regards,

Joe

[Jan Wicherink]

Hi David,

Good to hear you've find some time to do some more transcriptions
from your readings. I've not been bothering you with this question
because I know you have been pretty busy working on your film that
required all of your attention, but I feel there's room to ask it now.

Will you be adding new audio material from your readings in your
downloadable audio section of the website. Sofar we only got 10
readings. When I signed up with a full membership, I understood that
you would be regularly posting more.

If you're too busy, I quit understand!

All the best and success with your movie 'Convergence'.

Regards
Jan




--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=zkK8Bf441cR5wqROByPCtnDQV5ex00FnJD7r_f rK8qBSlSCU8Sj13wGYRZSz-7lPorXx2g0do8SKgsIO), "David Wilcock" <djw333@...> wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=zkK8Bf441cR5wqROByPCtnDQV5ex00FnJD7r_f rK8qBSlSCU8Sj13wGYRZSz-7lPorXx2g0do8SKgsIO) [mailto:asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=zkK8Bf441cR5wqROByPCtnDQV5ex00FnJD7r_f rK8qBSlSCU8Sj13wGYRZSz-7lPorXx2g0do8SKgsIO)] On
Behalf Of
> tobbe jansson
>
> >As i feel that my departure from this group was in "diss", i offer
some
> pics from my livings to David W. I LOVE YOU DAVID!
>
> http://tobbelobbe.zoto.com/user/cat_summary/CAT.0
>
> TorbjÃÃÂà ‚‚ƒÃ ‚¶rn.
>
> DW: Well again this might make me seem like the inattentive father
type, but
> I haven't even been tracking who's "in" and who's "out" in terms of
> membership. So let's just keep it simple by saying "thanks for the
positive
> vibes!" That applies to everyone here.
>
> I have finally been transcribing material from 1998 that had
remained locked
> up on cassette tapes all this time, and it is truly astonishing.
There are
> two time periods- one from four years ago and one from seven and a
half
> years ago- where I am now seeing some truly remarkable prophecies
of my life
> right now.
>
> This includes living in Los Angeles, working on a film, the names,
> characters and pets of the people I'm working with, what I'm
supposed to
> learn from the people I'm working with, et cetera. Some of these
same
> prophecies are nestled in with statements supporting the spontaneous
> ascension model. That's only six years farther down the road from
where we
> are right now. So why would I discount a six-year prophecy when I'm
already
> seeing it work from seven and a half years ago?
>
> It's been very interesting lately. The transcription is a lot of
work but
> I'm finding it immensely rewarding. I also know I need to do it
myself
> because there are points where it is unclear and I'd have had to go
back and
> listen to the tapes again anyway to figure out what I said. Also
this is the
> most personal material I have. I've never felt like I had enough
time in the
> past to actually sit down and do all this transcribing, so that's
another
> good sign that things are becoming more balanced.
>
> Peace be with you -
>
> - David
>

[David Wilcock]

-----Original Message-----
From: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=ODgz0P9g-CRwtt365F5MwVMNjwSku2XYEy6Wufw2ExUXMiAQe9b73rmlREd Fu1BU7VWFgBCeS2vGagXczg) [mailto:asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=ODgz0P9g-CRwtt365F5MwVMNjwSku2XYEy6Wufw2ExUXMiAQe9b73rmlREd Fu1BU7VWFgBCeS2vGagXczg)] On Behalf Of Jan
Wicherink

Hi David,

Good to hear you've find some time to do some more transcriptions from your
readings. I've not been bothering you with this question because I know you
have been pretty busy working on your film that required all of your
attention,

DW: Thank you for acknowledging that, first off. I really don't think most
people understand exactly how busy I am. Email never stops, for one thing.
It has been nothing short of INCREDIBLE, as we rapidly approach the
eight-year anniversary of when I started doing client readings, to actually
have a gap where not only are there no urgent, pressing things that must be
done, but I actually am funded at the same time.

I have been extremely impressed with the degree to which these "old"
readings are referring directly to events going on in my space-time present.
It brings back all the romantic energies of the most potent periods of my
journey with the readings in the past, and helps alleviate any concerns
about the nature of what I'm doing now.

When you start seeing the names, places, events and fine details of your
present showing up in "new" material you're transcribing from 7.5 years ago,
and 2012 is only 6 years away and is nestled right in there with the other
stuff, it definitely helps fortify the overall picture and shows that the
"magic" has never left.

>Will you be adding new audio material from your readings in your
downloadable audio section of the website. Sofar we only got 10 readings.
When I signed up with a full membership, I understood that you would be
regularly posting more.

DW: I thought I would have been as well; I was really naàƒÃ‚à ƒÂƒÃ‚Â‚ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¯ve as to how much
of my time the film would take. That being said, I am preparing large
amounts of new audio content for the archive, and have already done my first
audio blog a week ago, which I have yet to upload.

I'm trying to be self-sufficient on all the different parts of the website,
but Larry set me up with a variety of interconnecting systems and I don?t
know how to use them all yet. I still need to "audit" the remaining 11 core
readings from last year that are intended for the archive, which just means
giving them titles and descriptions, and they will be going in there soon.

I'm also planning on doing "classic readings" as well - the ones that have
consistently stood the test of time. The audio isn't as good, because it's
on the old cassette recorders, but it's still pretty amazing to hear my
voice speaking the words and realize how timeless those readings became-
because I can easily remember getting up from the bed afterwards and doing
whatever I did, going on with "mundane" life. It's even more trippy right
now, with all the readings that relate to the present from 1999.

So the answer is yes... I'm trying to build up the archive surrounding the
release of the Examiner cover story, but I have yet to hear any confirmation
of it coming out. I may be going to look for it today to try to see for
myself.

Peace be with you -

- David