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Makram Abu-Shakra
08-04-2005, 07:00 PM
> lealdragon: I've had experiences where I believe I
have changed the past in small ways. Whether I
actually did or not, I don't know, but it doesn't
matter, because all that matters is my PERCEPTION of
the past.

Makram: I guess a real shift in the past would be one
which others could verify the new/changed event.

> lealdragon: ...and my 'new' memory was that we
actually had a little father-daughter time together
taking care of these baby chicks.

Makram: I do, however, recognize that an actual memory
that is new and that feels entirely real is a
significant experience of this kind. It is a question
that if shifting pasts is indeed true that what one is
doing is straddling probable realities, "probable
realities" being parallel existences as described in
the Seth Material. (I am not sure if the Ra Material
mentions probable realities or not)

And to throw another idea out I begin with a quote
from the Law Of One Study Guide (found on David's
site):
QUESTION: The Seth material says that each of us is a
part of an Oversoul or Higher Self which has many pans
in many dimensions. Does this mean that we have many
experiences, or lives, going on simultaneously? RA:
The correctness of the statements is variable. The
more in balance an entity becomes, the less the need
for parallel experiences.

While reading the Seth material years ago, I
distinctly felt as if I were "converging" parallel
lives as I spiritually evolved more and more. It was
not that I began having memories that didn't seem to
belong to my true past, but that I was gaining
personal characteristics (and knowledge) that seemed
to have matured over time and yet not in this
lifetime; my visions and dream content also seemed to
confirm this by showing variable entities of myself
getting integrated into my being. This act of
"convergence" is difficult to explain and even
possibly untrue (gaining wisdom or characteristics
from parallel lives need not imply convergence); but
when I read that passage in the Study Guide, I said:

Hmmmmmmmmm...

and I had to throw the idea out to the group. Any
thoughts or pointers?

Makram







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srachele2004
08-05-2005, 06:49 AM
--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=3_nh4z-KKe5ZLaZNg3CplNrCNFhV-zortd4mLRP9ZtXbvcqsya6ujzrwPWRZNXkzCrJ1YqyW0-A83Dmylcg), Makram Abu-Shakra <mabushak@y...> wrote:
> > lealdragon: I've had experiences where I believe I
> have changed the past in small ways. Whether I
> actually did or not, I don't know, but it doesn't
> matter, because all that matters is my PERCEPTION of
> the past.
>
> Makram: I guess a real shift in the past would be one
> which others could verify the new/changed event.
>
Sal: Both of you have a point here. This is an area I have been
looking into for some time, based on information from the quantum
entanglement experiments. In psychology, the technique of reframing
appears at first a fanciful wish to avoid facing deep issues; however,
there is a larger reality here: Time and space are NOT linear, but
rather, an interwoven fabric that includes infinite possibilities and
probabilities. Rather than being locked into any one timeline, we as
spirits have the ability to choose from among the infinite timelines
spread across the fabric. When we "change" the past, what we are
actually doing is jumping into a different timeline (one we alone
created or that was collectively created by groups of souls). This is
why such things as visualizing world peace have validity. Group
timelines are more powerful than individual timelines. Whenever a
group of souls decides to create a different past, present or future,
it causes that group of souls to jump into a different timeline.

In the old sci-fi movies, this concept is misunderstood. For example,
a man goes back and changes the past, which results in his mother
never being born, and when he comes back to the present, he disappears
because he was never born, etc. In reality, he still exists (he always
exists), but he changes timelines and now has a different past. He has
shifted his position on the time-space fabric. He has created a
different pattern in the tapestry. The old timeline still exists, but
he is no longer locked into it - he has created a new past.

NOTE: This is not a substitute for psychological clearing and
emotional healing. The feelings and perceptions around an event must
be healed BEFORE one can jump out of the original timeline and create
a different past. However, it can be done and has been done and I know
many people who no longer have any connection to their original past.
For them, it no longer exists (even though it is recorded in the
Akashic and still exists somewhere in the fabric).

Blessings,

Sal

lealdragon
08-05-2005, 02:18 PM
I'm glad you made the distinction between healing and denial - a very
important point!

I have a sister who eradicated all of us (parents and all 9 brothers
and sisters) out of her life, so that she could pretend that she had
NOT come from an abusive family. She went so far as to invent a
fictitious past, telling her daughter that her mom's family had all
been killed, etc.

It was obvious to us that this was a very obvious case of DENIAL. She
was still quite messed up!

Not to imply that I've cleared ALL my issues =) but what I was
referring to was a very conscious effort on my part to choose that
other timeline - a more pleasant, loving past. I am still quite aware
that my family in 'this' timeline was abusive, but I'm choosing to
reprogram my emotions as though I'd had a loving family.

The difference is I KNOW I am tricking my mind in a way, in order to
create a new reality in my present, but that's ok with me, whereas my
sister probably does not know the difference; she is desperately
clinging to a delusion in order to survive.

Each may be appropriate perhaps, and who am I to say that her method
might not work for her, but to me she APPEARS to be deluded and not
really getting healed.

(Of course, since she vanished from my life, maybe she HAS gotten
healed - I might never know.)

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=eFRXVE9bLwCqljv4LmjOQmq0EL-oFVuu_OJTB6hSXUgbKNL8HiudsRc5OTBEMOE10yU4jP16qALcC JohdQ), "srachele2004" <srachele2004@y...> wrote:

> ... In psychology, the technique of reframing
> appears at first a fanciful wish to avoid facing deep issues;
however,
> there is a larger reality here: Time and space are NOT linear...
> ...NOTE: This is not a substitute for psychological clearing and
> emotional healing. The feelings and perceptions around an event must
> be healed BEFORE one can jump out of the original timeline and create
> a different past.

srachele2004
08-07-2005, 07:10 AM
--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=oONmboEFyOdXUTQeGBDNaQG-zduVHW3gBiJHZ0y9JjrLIcdMnkEF9wajRpmYSMJf4MyP65EVQX DouTU), "lealdragon" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
> I'm glad you made the distinction between healing and denial - a very
> important point!
>
> I have a sister who eradicated all of us (parents and all 9 brothers
> and sisters) out of her life, so that she could pretend that she had
> NOT come from an abusive family. She went so far as to invent a
> fictitious past, telling her daughter that her mom's family had all
> been killed, etc.
>
> It was obvious to us that this was a very obvious case of DENIAL. She
> was still quite messed up!
>
Sal: Yes, and thanks for giving an example of the difference between
Denial and Reframing. Reframing or re-creating the past does NOT work
if you are in denial. You must CLEAR your negative emotions and
psychological issues BEFORE you can change your timeline. Otherwise,
what would be the point of having soul experience? We learn from
experience (eventually) and anything we deny prevents our souls from
evolving (which is ultimately impossible and can only be delayed) so
denial is the ultimate delay tactic. Your sister will eventually have
to face her demons and even more daunting, will need to FORGIVE and
move on. She is nowhere near that stage yet. All you can do is send
her love and compassion at a distance.