David Wilcock
07-28-2005, 06:51 PM
From: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=TMQqh2IOQxgxSui9_ViWfx05xgchfBo8WCJSBd Fq_CP5e_9zA5GR5MwQHblltk3Ax7EFfnols0NTPP7V) [mailto:asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=TMQqh2IOQxgxSui9_ViWfx05xgchfBo8WCJSBd Fq_CP5e_9zA5GR5MwQHblltk3Ax7EFfnols0NTPP7V)] On Behalf Of
lealdragon
--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=TMQqh2IOQxgxSui9_ViWfx05xgchfBo8WCJSBd Fq_CP5e_9zA5GR5MwQHblltk3Ax7EFfnols0NTPP7V), wubby gump <wubbygump@y...> wrote:
> As a big fan of Tangerine Dream... along with
> some Jan Hammer & The Alan Parsons Project-- remember
> them?!?) .............. and I have always tried to
> find the music Tangerine Dream used for the score of
> that film entitled "The Keep" (ca. 1983?)
You can find a live version of the music from The Keep on 'LOGOS
LIVE' (dontcha LOVE that title?!) They open the show with
it...starts off mellow, then it builds...and builds...and
BUILDS...!!! Great Stuff! Transcendental!
DW: WOW... the idea of another TD soundtrack that is as good as the 70s
stuff is certainly exciting. I thought I'd heard it all... or just about.
:)
>I too am a HUGE fan of TD, and the score from The Keep is some of
the best stuff they've ever done.
DW: Hmm... again, you're getting me psyched up about this... ;)
>I recently saw some live footage
of them on tv (1st time I'd ever SEEN them) and they did that song
but it lacked the original power and emotion that's on the LL album.
DW: Yes, maturity and natural age can often take the edge off of things...
>The Keep was also a really good movie, btw - at first glance
appeared to be another 'battle between the superpowers' but there
really were some profound moments.
DW: Obviously I haven't seen it, but I'll take your word for it.
>I don't know whether there was ever a studio release of it. Another
incredible soundtrack from TD is 'Thief' - the movie wasn't all that
great but we stayed in the theatre anyway cuz we just HAD to find
out who did the music! Unquestionably their best studio album, imo.
DW: Bah! It's certainly GOOD, Monica, but for my taste it's way too
guitar-rock oriented to earn the title of Best Album. It keeps you too much
in 3D with the rock and roll elements, IMO. I guess it really depends on
what you're looking for. Nor would I let Phaedra stand as an equal with
Rubycon, as Ron was saying (sorry, guys!)
Here's my official rundown of what I've heard of TD and how I like it:
Phaedra (circa 74) - shows where they were capable of going, but is
definitely flawed. They push the white-knuckle envelope too far with
crushing dissonance and tempo increases on the bassline arpeggios. The
ingredients are there, but they're not fully refined. I felt like my head
was going to split open when I listened to this as a high school student and
I still don't like pushing my way through that one part where they basically
melt your brain down. It has to stay enjoyable the whole time for me to
truly endorse it.
Rubycon (circa 76) - the ultimate psychedelic experience. It scares you a
little bit at times, but it's tastefully done, not like in Phaedra where
it's way too intense. Gorgeous soundscapes that are extremely visual if you
let yourself meditate and go half-asleep while listening to it. I love the
seaside imagery and the staggering complexity of geometry that you see if
you let it take you - especially because of the on-the-fly time-signature
changes in the bassline arpeggios from three, to five, to six... excellent
to play if you're making love to someone for the first, second, third,
fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh time ever... OK, well, basically ANY time...
really adds to the awesomeness of the whole thing. (LOL!)
[OK, since you asked: Top albums for "new romance lovemaking soundtrack" in
my emotional opinion are TD/Rubycon, "Meddle" by Pink Floyd, TD/Ricochet,
"Avalon" by Roxy Music, "So" by Peter Gabriel and the second disc of "The
Last Giant: John Coltrane Anthology" - and not *necessarily* ranked in order
of importance. Each has a mood-tone and meaning that is part of the whole
picture. Meddle, Avalon and So all have lyrics, at times, that are very
relevant to what you're about to embark upon with this person. In fact, in
such a (now hypothetical future) scenario, I will either play one of these
particular albums or none at all. (Except for other TD albums, perhaps.)]
Ricochet (77?) - a live performance that used to be my favorite above
Rubycon when I was in high school. Their ability to blast you into a
bizarre, altered but intensely beautiful psychedelic space, varying between
"almost terrifying" and "breathtakingly beautiful", had reached its virtuoso
peak on this album - especially in the part where they have the echoed
jingle bells going in the background and the foreground has heavily echoed
and unintelligible speech patterns like "ey-a-hmm, ey-a-hmm, ey-a-hmm,"
somewhat like Art of Noise.
Listening back to Ricochet now as a more developed musician, it reveals a
central weakness in two senses: 1) the main bassline motif in the first
track is a direct note-for-note ripoff of a Jimi Hendrix bassline, and sorry
but I can't remember the song title though I think he played it during a
solo section at Woodstock, and 2) they vamp too long on the same guitar riff
and Hendrix bassline groove in track 1. You don't mind this and might even
appreciate it if you're intoxicated on certain things, but if you're
listening to it for meditation it can seem a bit excessive.
Next...
Stratosfear (77?) - nicely executed, but somehow a bit too "safe" compared
to the previous two. As pluses it is tighter in its compositional movement
from one theme to another, which is probably in response to negative
feedback they had received. It also seems to be too short- it ends just as
you're starting to enjoy yourself. Nonetheless some of the compositional
elements of Stratosfear are my favorite actual melodies and changes in the
TD library.
Live in America (78?) - (OK, I can't remember right this moment what it's
actually called but it's a two-album set) - another absolute classic 70s TD
album. The screaming stoner dudes in the very noisy American audience give
you that sense of excitement and community experience as a backdrop.
Nonetheless it somehow lacks the full punch and "edge" of Ricochet and
Rubycon. You don't end up going quite as deeply into a psychedelic space as
on those two albums.
Tangram (79, I think) - what in the WORLD are you guys doing here? This
album disappoints me enough that I don't listen to it very much anymore. One
minute you're in a nice TD trance zone, and then all of a sudden it changes
to this silly, American Revolution-esque fife-and-drum march that's far too
colorful and major-scale for my taste, only to turn around a few bars later
and have yet another total mood shift back into more familiar TD territory.
This doesn't work with meditation at all. You start to get a whiff of the
idea that they want to "go commercial" and/or the dreaded "sell out" on this
album.
Exit (80-81) - Somehow the early 80s keyboards they start using, which were
high-tech for their time, sound a lot cheesier by today's standards than the
vintage analog synths they used on their 70s stuff. To me, "Exit" almost
seems like a weird re-interpretation of 70s trancey TD but without them
actually being in a trance space when they did it - like they are imitating
themselves somehow. It seems to glisten and shine a bit too much - and the
foreign woman listing off all the names of countries makes it again sound
too much like they're trying to go mainstream.
Thief (82?) - The best blend of the rock and roll and 70s TD sound. More
mainstream but still has character and punch. I like this album, but it
never took me into the realms that the others did.
Underwater Sunlight (late 80s) - An all-around well-executed album. The
guitar rips. The textures are nice and it invokes elements of their best
stuff. Again, it doesn't truly blow you into the etheric, but it's certainly
no slouch either.
That's my full catalog of TD albums that I've heard and own copies of... for
what it's worth. They have very much been a part of my life. I've heard that
Edgar Froese, the one guy who has held the name all this time, is *ahem*
difficult to work with.
>Oh and I have some Jan Hammer on vinyl, and the EARLY Alan Parson
(1st few albums) were awesome (too bad they didn't keep it up).
DW: Hmm... Hammer I've heard, but Alan Parsons Project I have not - that
might be worth listening to. I've heard Vangelis' stuff, and I love
"Chariots of Fire" but in general it doesn't hit it for me the way TD does.
I've heard that I should check out Brian Eno as well, but I have never heard
any of his albums.
It has long been an aspiration of mine (which I have only really just
started to explore with my song "The Choice" and my soundtrack for "The
Science of Peace" with Larry Seyer) to integrate the Tangerine Dream style
with a 70s jazz-fusion drum-pyrotechnic style reminiscent of Brand X (my
other favorite band of the 70s) and then also integrate some more
contemporary elements into it, such as metal and acid-jazz breakbeats.
Anyway, enough of this... talking about music too much without actually
listening to it becomes a bit of a drag... ;)
Peace be with you -
- David
lealdragon
--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=TMQqh2IOQxgxSui9_ViWfx05xgchfBo8WCJSBd Fq_CP5e_9zA5GR5MwQHblltk3Ax7EFfnols0NTPP7V), wubby gump <wubbygump@y...> wrote:
> As a big fan of Tangerine Dream... along with
> some Jan Hammer & The Alan Parsons Project-- remember
> them?!?) .............. and I have always tried to
> find the music Tangerine Dream used for the score of
> that film entitled "The Keep" (ca. 1983?)
You can find a live version of the music from The Keep on 'LOGOS
LIVE' (dontcha LOVE that title?!) They open the show with
it...starts off mellow, then it builds...and builds...and
BUILDS...!!! Great Stuff! Transcendental!
DW: WOW... the idea of another TD soundtrack that is as good as the 70s
stuff is certainly exciting. I thought I'd heard it all... or just about.
:)
>I too am a HUGE fan of TD, and the score from The Keep is some of
the best stuff they've ever done.
DW: Hmm... again, you're getting me psyched up about this... ;)
>I recently saw some live footage
of them on tv (1st time I'd ever SEEN them) and they did that song
but it lacked the original power and emotion that's on the LL album.
DW: Yes, maturity and natural age can often take the edge off of things...
>The Keep was also a really good movie, btw - at first glance
appeared to be another 'battle between the superpowers' but there
really were some profound moments.
DW: Obviously I haven't seen it, but I'll take your word for it.
>I don't know whether there was ever a studio release of it. Another
incredible soundtrack from TD is 'Thief' - the movie wasn't all that
great but we stayed in the theatre anyway cuz we just HAD to find
out who did the music! Unquestionably their best studio album, imo.
DW: Bah! It's certainly GOOD, Monica, but for my taste it's way too
guitar-rock oriented to earn the title of Best Album. It keeps you too much
in 3D with the rock and roll elements, IMO. I guess it really depends on
what you're looking for. Nor would I let Phaedra stand as an equal with
Rubycon, as Ron was saying (sorry, guys!)
Here's my official rundown of what I've heard of TD and how I like it:
Phaedra (circa 74) - shows where they were capable of going, but is
definitely flawed. They push the white-knuckle envelope too far with
crushing dissonance and tempo increases on the bassline arpeggios. The
ingredients are there, but they're not fully refined. I felt like my head
was going to split open when I listened to this as a high school student and
I still don't like pushing my way through that one part where they basically
melt your brain down. It has to stay enjoyable the whole time for me to
truly endorse it.
Rubycon (circa 76) - the ultimate psychedelic experience. It scares you a
little bit at times, but it's tastefully done, not like in Phaedra where
it's way too intense. Gorgeous soundscapes that are extremely visual if you
let yourself meditate and go half-asleep while listening to it. I love the
seaside imagery and the staggering complexity of geometry that you see if
you let it take you - especially because of the on-the-fly time-signature
changes in the bassline arpeggios from three, to five, to six... excellent
to play if you're making love to someone for the first, second, third,
fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh time ever... OK, well, basically ANY time...
really adds to the awesomeness of the whole thing. (LOL!)
[OK, since you asked: Top albums for "new romance lovemaking soundtrack" in
my emotional opinion are TD/Rubycon, "Meddle" by Pink Floyd, TD/Ricochet,
"Avalon" by Roxy Music, "So" by Peter Gabriel and the second disc of "The
Last Giant: John Coltrane Anthology" - and not *necessarily* ranked in order
of importance. Each has a mood-tone and meaning that is part of the whole
picture. Meddle, Avalon and So all have lyrics, at times, that are very
relevant to what you're about to embark upon with this person. In fact, in
such a (now hypothetical future) scenario, I will either play one of these
particular albums or none at all. (Except for other TD albums, perhaps.)]
Ricochet (77?) - a live performance that used to be my favorite above
Rubycon when I was in high school. Their ability to blast you into a
bizarre, altered but intensely beautiful psychedelic space, varying between
"almost terrifying" and "breathtakingly beautiful", had reached its virtuoso
peak on this album - especially in the part where they have the echoed
jingle bells going in the background and the foreground has heavily echoed
and unintelligible speech patterns like "ey-a-hmm, ey-a-hmm, ey-a-hmm,"
somewhat like Art of Noise.
Listening back to Ricochet now as a more developed musician, it reveals a
central weakness in two senses: 1) the main bassline motif in the first
track is a direct note-for-note ripoff of a Jimi Hendrix bassline, and sorry
but I can't remember the song title though I think he played it during a
solo section at Woodstock, and 2) they vamp too long on the same guitar riff
and Hendrix bassline groove in track 1. You don't mind this and might even
appreciate it if you're intoxicated on certain things, but if you're
listening to it for meditation it can seem a bit excessive.
Next...
Stratosfear (77?) - nicely executed, but somehow a bit too "safe" compared
to the previous two. As pluses it is tighter in its compositional movement
from one theme to another, which is probably in response to negative
feedback they had received. It also seems to be too short- it ends just as
you're starting to enjoy yourself. Nonetheless some of the compositional
elements of Stratosfear are my favorite actual melodies and changes in the
TD library.
Live in America (78?) - (OK, I can't remember right this moment what it's
actually called but it's a two-album set) - another absolute classic 70s TD
album. The screaming stoner dudes in the very noisy American audience give
you that sense of excitement and community experience as a backdrop.
Nonetheless it somehow lacks the full punch and "edge" of Ricochet and
Rubycon. You don't end up going quite as deeply into a psychedelic space as
on those two albums.
Tangram (79, I think) - what in the WORLD are you guys doing here? This
album disappoints me enough that I don't listen to it very much anymore. One
minute you're in a nice TD trance zone, and then all of a sudden it changes
to this silly, American Revolution-esque fife-and-drum march that's far too
colorful and major-scale for my taste, only to turn around a few bars later
and have yet another total mood shift back into more familiar TD territory.
This doesn't work with meditation at all. You start to get a whiff of the
idea that they want to "go commercial" and/or the dreaded "sell out" on this
album.
Exit (80-81) - Somehow the early 80s keyboards they start using, which were
high-tech for their time, sound a lot cheesier by today's standards than the
vintage analog synths they used on their 70s stuff. To me, "Exit" almost
seems like a weird re-interpretation of 70s trancey TD but without them
actually being in a trance space when they did it - like they are imitating
themselves somehow. It seems to glisten and shine a bit too much - and the
foreign woman listing off all the names of countries makes it again sound
too much like they're trying to go mainstream.
Thief (82?) - The best blend of the rock and roll and 70s TD sound. More
mainstream but still has character and punch. I like this album, but it
never took me into the realms that the others did.
Underwater Sunlight (late 80s) - An all-around well-executed album. The
guitar rips. The textures are nice and it invokes elements of their best
stuff. Again, it doesn't truly blow you into the etheric, but it's certainly
no slouch either.
That's my full catalog of TD albums that I've heard and own copies of... for
what it's worth. They have very much been a part of my life. I've heard that
Edgar Froese, the one guy who has held the name all this time, is *ahem*
difficult to work with.
>Oh and I have some Jan Hammer on vinyl, and the EARLY Alan Parson
(1st few albums) were awesome (too bad they didn't keep it up).
DW: Hmm... Hammer I've heard, but Alan Parsons Project I have not - that
might be worth listening to. I've heard Vangelis' stuff, and I love
"Chariots of Fire" but in general it doesn't hit it for me the way TD does.
I've heard that I should check out Brian Eno as well, but I have never heard
any of his albums.
It has long been an aspiration of mine (which I have only really just
started to explore with my song "The Choice" and my soundtrack for "The
Science of Peace" with Larry Seyer) to integrate the Tangerine Dream style
with a 70s jazz-fusion drum-pyrotechnic style reminiscent of Brand X (my
other favorite band of the 70s) and then also integrate some more
contemporary elements into it, such as metal and acid-jazz breakbeats.
Anyway, enough of this... talking about music too much without actually
listening to it becomes a bit of a drag... ;)
Peace be with you -
- David