4D questions and ponderings

[lealdragon]

I'm wondering how all of you are dealing with this upcoming 2012.
Are you excited? Nervous? How do you make plans for the future?
Especially for those of you who have children. I sometimes wonder,
are we wasting time and resources making plans for college, etc.?
Yet, we do have to keep on living! And Ra did say, to keep on making
plans as we normally would.

For someone like DW, who is already consciously working for change,
it seems obvious. But for those of us down in the trenches, still
going to the office, it often feels like time is slipping away. Yes,
I know that it is important to shine the light wherever we are, but
it just seems like there is so much more that we could be doing.

I sometimes feel excited and exhilarated, and relieved that FINALLY
something BIG is about to happen, and at other times it seems like
the ground is coming up too fast.

It's also somewhat confusing to me: if we are Wanderers, and we will
have the opportunity to go back to our home density, then why are we
making all these references to what life will be like in 4D? Will we
even be around for 4D?

Where was it said that once the Earth is fully 4D, that ONLY 4D
positives would dwell here?

When I think about leaving just as it starts getting good, I almost
feel that I'm going to miss out on something I've worked so hard
for. Which is silly, to miss 4D if I might even go somewhere else.
Of course, I have no way of knowing right now which D I'll end up in.

I don't want to create a limitation for myself by being
too 'attached' to this reality.

Is anyone else feeling any of these things?

[Mary]

After my first exposure David's material, Law of One, and so on, I felt the
same way. But after a while I began to sense that it doesn't really matter.
I think that when the time comes for me to *do* something I will know it.
I try to live every day to the fullest, whatever "full" may be for that
particular day (and no matter what, some days are better than others! LOL).
I have a lot of responsibilities to uphold, so I do that. And I try -
really try - not to worry. I try to trust that things will work out how
they are supposed to. I do not know if I will transition to 4D, I don't
know if I'll automatically go to a higher level, I don't know if I'll get
stuck at 3D. I could die in a car accident tomorrow, or I could live in
this body til I'm 101 years old and watch the world and the children slowly
evolve to 4D. And strangely, I'm okay with that.

Besides, if I didn't keep on keeping on, people would wonder why . . . and
I wouldn't want to have to explain. *We* might believe this is going to
happen, but I've already learned that you can't force this info on anyone
who is not ready for it. If we are wasting time doing our "normal" things,
planning a "normal" future, then so be it. I don't really know what else to
do for the moment. LOL

Mary

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Subject: [asc2k] 4D questions and ponderings

I'm wondering how all of you are dealing with this upcoming 2012.
Are you excited? Nervous? How do you make plans for the future?

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[M.W.]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=lkz7Ry-I7SjNbUs9Fcx0T4y0vThlG8UN0_oqUDgBnJ3_Hnn24gqwCmmqv HTsfO5WP5uz6aSRIbon1sPMYhQ), "lealdragon" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
> I'm wondering how all of you are dealing with this upcoming 2012.
> Are you excited? >

> Is anyone else feeling any of these things?

No, Dragon, I imagine you are the only one feeling
excited and confused at the same time. I would
imagine everone else on this list is taking it all
in stride ... even with a few yawns here and there.

Does that make you feel better?


(:>)) Sorry couldn't resist tweaking you a bit.


Yeah, come to think about it I am confused and
vacilating over what I should be doing... I have
interests that are, relatively speaking, very
juvinile, but have served to give me identity and
a reason to get out of bed in the morning... so
they keep pulling at my apron strings clamoring
for attention, and I feel depressed that I can't
recover the old pavlovian induced enthusiasm that
once brightened my eye and fill me with manic
inspiration.


About coming times.


I think I'm more concerned with the quality
of the intervening years than I am about 2012+.
I don't know if the dark projections are just
designed negative downers or merely realistic
appraisals of the world situation -- as it
seemingly skids out of control and heads
towards a radical and very unpleasant economic
and political transfomation ... and that of course
encompasses our home-base (for many of us on this
list) here in amerika.

I try to absorb what I can of the teachings. but yet,
like today when things have gone sour because of my
own inattention to obligations, I revert to a learned
mode of sniveling depression. And THAT dysfunctional
reaction to an unexpected fall from high emotional places
really bums me out!

And no, I can't love my little self at the moment.


Except for this prospective indulgence in masochism...

Now, where did I put that stale chocolate candy bar?
I obviously need a shot of forbidden discomfort food!
... maybe even sprinkle some Splenda or Aspartame
on it for maximum self-destructive measures.

Perhaps I should just snap out of it -- just bite the
bulletand go ahead and mow the damned grass. Hey!
Where is a backyard crop circle phenomenon when and
where I really need one?


billybummed

[Elmer]

I struggle with those same questions and feelings
everyday.

All my life I knew there was a simple, internally
consistent explanation for why we're here, where we
came from, and where we're going. One that not only
aligned with scientific knowledge, but plugged the
gaping holes in the standard model. When my research
led me to the RA, Seth, CWG material I was ecstatic to
have found the answer.

That euphoria soon became confusion about how to
manage my day-to-day affairs given this knowledge
about our immediate future.

How does one know what your individual experience is
going to be? Should you move to one of Cayce's safe
zones? If there will be an economic collapse do you
empty your savings account and hide the cash under a
mattress? Do you go to work tomorrow or stand on a
street corner with a "love thy neighbor" placard?

I remember RA saying they don't concern themselves
with the method of harvest - but since I'm standing on
a planet that's going to be demolished, I'm kinda
concerned! How do you plan for a pole shift? Cross
your fingers and hope ET knocks on your door before it
happens?

Personally, I made changes to certain long-term plans.
I stopped contributing to my 401K. My wife and I
decided against having a baby. I still go to work
everyday, but I've made drastic changes in the way I
spend my spare time, and the way I relate to other
people. I'm still doing a lot of research and
exploring ways to increase my sprituality. I treat
everybody I encounter, even past enemies, as a friend
now. And I discuss my thoughts and findings with
family, friends and anyone that will listen. I've
joined this discussion group.

Does that get me to 51%?

I still have no idea exactly what will happen to me in
the next 7 years or where I'll end up. I know I'm
ready to move out of 3D. It's heartbreaking to see how
we treat each other at this level.

A Pastor friend of my has this on the back of his
business card:

"My goal is to get to heaven, and to take my friends
with me"

I think that sums it up.




--- lealdragon <lealdragon@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=EW1-cRx2BKfbYqEspAfQIEGWicyBUwSu7tw710fHnp-yxrxs2hKtZZz09b5NRb7VhJ2ze2PQORpYjUb53xY)> wrote:

> I'm wondering how all of you are dealing with this
> upcoming 2012.
> Are you excited? Nervous? How do you make plans for
> the future?
> Especially for those of you who have children. I
> sometimes wonder,
> are we wasting time and resources making plans for
> college, etc.?
> Yet, we do have to keep on living! And Ra did say,
> to keep on making
> plans as we normally would.
>
> For someone like DW, who is already consciously
> working for change,
> it seems obvious. But for those of us down in the
> trenches, still
> going to the office, it often feels like time is
> slipping away. Yes,
> I know that it is important to shine the light
> wherever we are, but
> it just seems like there is so much more that we
> could be doing.
>
> I sometimes feel excited and exhilarated, and
> relieved that FINALLY
> something BIG is about to happen, and at other times
> it seems like
> the ground is coming up too fast.
>
> It's also somewhat confusing to me: if we are
> Wanderers, and we will
> have the opportunity to go back to our home density,
> then why are we
> making all these references to what life will be
> like in 4D? Will we
> even be around for 4D?
>
> Where was it said that once the Earth is fully 4D,
> that ONLY 4D
> positives would dwell here?
>
> When I think about leaving just as it starts getting
> good, I almost
> feel that I'm going to miss out on something I've
> worked so hard
> for. Which is silly, to miss 4D if I might even go
> somewhere else.
> Of course, I have no way of knowing right now which
> D I'll end up in.
>
> I don't want to create a limitation for myself by
> being
> too 'attached' to this reality.
>
> Is anyone else feeling any of these things?
>
>
>
>
>
>


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[lealdragon]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=MQuq-Dt9aN_TVxuOxAgL5xM0c37WizAgS7BhJjgSHdnfWi1ve1KLPBi J-4kYm4d-M_feRdBAFbrBl6uElN21), Elmer <tree5131@y...> wrote:
> but since I'm standing on
> a planet that's going to be demolished, I'm kinda
> concerned! How do you plan for a pole shift?

Elmer, thanks for your post - I found it very moving! My
understanding is that the planet's NOT going to 'get demolished'
but, in fact, will transform into something wonderful! That is one
of the things that attracted me to DW's site and this group - the
emphasis on the GOOD changes, rather than the 'doom and gloom'
predictions so prevelant amongst many New Age channelers.

I believe that Ra has said there are no 'safe' places but inside
ourselves; in other words, rather than frantically looking for
a 'safe' place to move to, the most important thing is to love, and
forgive, and trust in our guidance on a daily basis.

You mention 'Cayce safe places' but those Cayce readings that
predicted catastrophes have been found to be the very few, amongst
the many thousands that he did, that evidently were of mixed
polarity. I believe that DW has elaborated on this: something about
those readings taking place at a time in which Cayce was very angry
and frustrated, and for a very short while, the readings during that
time were introduced with an entity's name, and the focus shifted to
one of fear.

Where there is fear, that is a giveaway as to the polarity of the
info!

>
> Personally, I made changes to certain long-term plans.
> I stopped contributing to my 401K. My wife and I
> decided against having a baby.

I definitely understand about the 401K - this is the kind of thing I
am questioning myself. I sometimes wonder, well maybe 4D will just
be like it is now, except with all the evil people gone. So, we'd
still have jobs, cars, houses, etc. but just no more murderers,
rapists, terrrorists, wars, etc. I don't know, but it's a thought.

The part about the baby saddens me. Having a child can be the single
most important thing you could do to become more loving; at least
that has been my experience. My husband will also attest to this! He
feels that he would not be where he is now were it not for having a
child. We consider parenting to be a profound spiritual path. Very
challenging - the child will mirror to you in ways that no one else
can! But oh so rewarding!

Now that our son is 16, and it seems unlikely that we will have
another, I have to think in terms of, will my son have a child? I do
not want to discourage him from this when he is older. There is an
old saying 'the world ends for those who die' and another 'as long
as there is new life, there is hope.'

I too have mixed feelings about that; hey, I COULD stil get a
surprise myself, and how would I feel about that? But then I
remember the story about the newborn baby in a hospital, in her
mother's arms, when the earthquake hit Mexico 18 or so years ago.
There was death and destruction all around this baby, but a little
pocket of air, and the last remaining milk in her dead mother's
breasts, keep this infant alive for several days until she was
rescued. I've always found inspiration in this story - this child
obviously had important work to do!

My son has asked about this, and I told him that any soul who would
choose to incarnate, would surely know what's going on over the next
few years, and might very well welcome the opportunity. Rather than
seeing it in terms of 'we don't want to bring a child into this
wretched world' I am trying to see it in terms of 'this is a
beautiful opportunity for some soul to polarize, and be of service.'

I HAVE to see it that way, as I do not want to steal my son's hopes
for HIS future!



>I still go to work
> everyday, but I've made drastic changes... I treat
> everybody I encounter, even past enemies, as a friend
> now.

Sounds like you're doing great! That alone is a huge thing!

> I know I'm
> ready to move out of 3D. It's heartbreaking to see how
> we treat each other at this level.

Yes I agree.

> "My goal is to get to heaven, and to take my friends
> with me"

That reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw (in contrast to those
elitist 'God Bless America' stickers) that said 'God Bless the
World.'

Thanks for sharing.

[lealdragon]

> --- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=PXbPzvCcvzK3pxgPtYZ7K9I4bpZFTaUAyWhgkh JIB0BsTKVnskOSfXoHGeG2-djgbCyjpDLGNoPbQeMFUOE), Elmer <tree5131@y...> wrote:
> > Personally, I made changes to certain long-term plans.
> > I stopped contributing to my 401K. My wife and I
> > decided against having a baby.
>

This is no way is intended to question your decision; I know full
well what a difficult decision that is!

But, it reminds me so much of how my husband and I felt in the 80s.
Back then, the 'Big Date' was 1987 - it was pretty much a given
among New Agers that Halley's Comet in 87 would herald the beginning
of the Earth Changes.

Keep in mind, at that time nuclear war seemed to be the biggest
concern.

No one knew anything about 2012, at least I had never heard of it.
But 1987...

Then, to top it all off, my hubby & I attended a healing workshop in
which the channel claimed the shift would occur in 2 years! Which
would be...1987. We TRUSTED this channel!

Basically, we just QUIT LIVING. Quit planning. Why bother?

Well, 1987 came and went. Now didn't we feel sheepish!

Meanwhile, we very much wanted a child. So...we decided to...TRUST.
And, we were a little miffed at our gullibility, so in a way it was
kinda like, well, we're gonna just do it anyway!

And guess what, I found myself pregnant...in early 1988!

Well, it didn't end there...the next big date was Harmonic
Convergence. Then there was the 'famous' (or is it infamous?) '1996'
map that graced all the New Age stores - it showed the New Mexico
coastline. We got caught up in that too for awhile, until
1996...came...and...went...

Um, yeah, wasn't there an 11:11 date in there somewhere? And let's
not forget the biggie, Y2K!

I don't mean to be sarcastic here, or demeaning to any of these
dates. Undoubtedly they were important planetary events!

But in terms of living my life...well, I'm really excited about
2012. I hope something really does happen, and I hope it's GLORIOUS!

Even Carla, in The Wanderer's Handbook, speculated that it MIGHT not
be an instantaneous transition. There's alot to suggest it will be,
but, I'm not sure that we should just assume that we are
interpreting everything correctly; we'll be too disappointed if it
doesn't happen right on schedule. We know 2012 is a demarcation, but
it's subject to interpretation as to how that will manifest here in
this dimension. If even Ra would not commit to a definite scenario,
I'm not sure any of us could even attempt to do so.

DW has done a tremendous job of sorting it all out, and I am so
grateful that he has focused on the positive aspects. Since finding
DW's asc2k website, I now feel EXCITED and HOPEFUL (well, mostly!)
about 2012!

But meanwhile, I might have some grandkids to look forward to. I'm
saving my son's baby clothes and special toys and books, to pass on
to those delightful 4D children...

[Makram Abu-Shakra]

Just thought I should relate a
"my-life-is-my-ouija-board" story. Earlier today,
while reading these emails I got pretty doom and gloom
oriented myself. As images of mass extinction and
havoc ran through my head I decided to get up and grab
a drink of water. I turned around and saw, for the
first time, a two-foot rainbow prism-reflected upon
the wall right above where my head would be were I
still sitting. At least for me, this was the clearest
sign I could get of hope and "all will be well"
reaction to troubled thoughts about the future.

Cheers,
Makram


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[David Wilcock]

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>Just thought I should relate a
"my-life-is-my-ouija-board" story. Earlier today,
while reading these emails I got pretty doom and gloom
oriented myself. As images of mass extinction and
havoc ran through my head I decided to get up and grab
a drink of water. I turned around and saw, for the
first time, a two-foot rainbow prism-reflected upon
the wall right above where my head would be were I
still sitting. At least for me, this was the clearest
sign I could get of hope and "all will be well"
reaction to troubled thoughts about the future.

DW: Thank you for sharing this. I see it as just another of an enormous
number of confirmations that all lead back to the same central point: it is
downright irresponsible to indulge in fear over something that has not yet
happened when there is such a STRONG body of evidence to show that we have
absolutely nothing to worry about.

Again and again and again, we are told NOT to fear this. Anyone who wants to
think otherwise is entitled to do so, but they should be aware that rather
than this being a wise decision, if you believe the Law of One source or my
own source to have any credibility at all, then you should recognize that
your opinion is technically considered to be the result of negative
greeting, and counterproductive. Even if you WERE going to die a natural
death rather than Ascend, what in the hell is the point of spending your
whole life thinking about the END of your life? What about all the time in
between?

Since I could easily end up with an early check-out ticket for some of the
things I write about, I see it like this: I would rather die once at the
hands of an assassin than die every day in fear of assassination. So just
get the ego out of the way and let the rainbows of light in!

Well group, on another positive note, I'm aware that probably most of you
can't follow musican geekspeak, but I can say that after talking about all
this I dug back into my keyboards,(which I hope to do more often as some of
the urgent deadlines are accomplished,) specifically the Audity 2000 which
has some of the trippiest sounds, and am banking all sorts of ideas for
composition as I go. By the time you actually listen to the finished
products, you'll probably never go through and analyze any of it like I do -
in fact most likely you'll drift into a trance and wake up when it's over.

This is one of the really great things about getting a streaming audio site
going - I can create music that is ambient and cool, and great by most
people's standards, but I might never commit to a for-sale CD because I'm
such an insane perfectionist when it comes to music. I fully intend to have
a whole "ambient" section to the site that's just for meditation and
psychedelic journeys - no vocals. It's probably good for me to force myself
to put it out and "Get 'R Done" without agonizing over it for prolonged
periods - and this is the perfect type of venue to do so.

I guess to put it in more conventional terms, this type of music puts you
into the realm of dreams while you are still conscious, providing that you
can hold consciousness while you are listening to it. Actually, to be ABLE
to follow it and stay awake is the sign of a more evolved, psychic
consciousness. It gives you a guided tour of the etheric plane and teaches
you where things are, quite without your needing to think or "do" anything -
you just find out for yourself as the 'Trip' goes along.

There's definitely a reason why I get so excited about this kind of music,
and with the technology we now have I can emulate these styles far easier
than how they had to do it way back when. I have got quite a palette to work
with when all the keyboards are seen and integrated as a whole - and I
haven't even started messing around with softsynths yet, OR Gigastudio for
acoustic instrument emulations - but don't get me started!

Peace be with you -

- David

[Bjorn Nitmou]

-- David Wilcock <djw333@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=qdCu__6saSNDy9XD6mufT4QC8b9GOmLtiNTPEe HV3Wtk6OJwfLiqqlyQRfdXa_AFs6WjsEzm8zVdhqFb)> wrote:
it is
> downright irresponsible to indulge in fear over
> something that has not yet
> happened when there is such a STRONG body of
> evidence to show that we have
> absolutely nothing to worry about.
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Its odd reading all this, because for me, I have to
battle feelings of guilt in regard to Earth Changes.
This is because they excite me! I dont want people to
die, I just want change. Im not a martyr, I dont have
a death wish, but I just dont fear Earth Changes.

It sounds like awesome fun. I almost hope Im in some
way able to see some incredible things while still on
Earth. I know we are not going to be struck by an
asteroid or another planet, but I think it would be an
incredible experience just to watch. Death would be
quick and everyone would be gone at the same time. I
know its an odd perspective.

Maybe its because I really dont feel as though Ive
got anything great to hang onto in this life time, but
I cant wait to see some radical changes. Somehow my
instincts have lead me to believe that no harm will
come to me.




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[Bryson, David]

Greetings,

I am one who seldom posts as I choose to simply observe the experiences
that each of you share and see how your thought processes evolve.
However, there is the occasion that I feel important to offer a choice
of clarity among those who do so seek it.

Elmer - "That euphoria soon became confusion about how to
manage my day-to-day affairs given this knowledge
about our immediate future."

Here you are already beginning to express your second level of
confusion. It began as a seeker, not unlike any of us, who now searches
for what you believe to be truth. But in this statement you begin your
first step in giving away your power. Here you are asking yourself,
"Whom do I believe? Whom do I follow? Have I found truth, or more
misunderstanding?"

On this foundational basis, there is a tendency to set the self upon
shaky ground. Growing upon this will lead upon a path of further
confusion and despair. Might I suggest that you take a different
approach. Ask yourself what truths resonate to you. What is your
truth? What gives you a sense of peace, excitement, and energizes you?
Any basis of thought on fear only leads to more fear. Fear is self
serving by nature, but not in a sense that would be conducive for
healthy growth of the self towards fulfillment.

Elmer - "How does one know what your individual experience is
going to be? Should you move to one of Cayce's safe
zones? If there will be an economic collapse do you
empty your savings account and hide the cash under a
mattress? Do you go to work tomorrow or stand on a
street corner with a "love thy neighbor" placard?"

What does your intuition tell you? Where do you feel pulled to be?
Follow your inclinations that lead you to a place where you are
living your best and at your fullest potential. If you make your
choices based upon fear, it will only lead to more of it.

Live each day to its fullest. What choices did you make before you knew
of these potential changes? You know how to live in ways that honor
you. If you are making financial decisions because you fear prophecy of
economic calamity, then you miss the moments that are here now by
frivolously running from tomorrow. If the economy truly will be worth
nothing tomorrow, then what real concern do you have for the value of
that dollar today? As was said by the Master, "Give unto Caeser what
belongs to Caeser, and unto God what belongs to God." To truly
understand that statement has more to do with energy dynamics of you.

Work tomorrow and love thy neighbor. It does not have to be one nor the
other. It is not in words that one truly expresses who one is, but in
the deeds and actions that one does. Whatever it is that one wishes to
be, one merely needs to practice it. Be the example you wish to follow.

Elmer - I remember RA saying they don't concern themselves
with the method of harvest - but since I'm standing on
a planet that's going to be demolished, I'm kinda
concerned! How do you plan for a pole shift? Cross
your fingers and hope ET knocks on your door before it
happens?


As Ra does not concern themselves with the method of harvest, ultimately
why would anyone else? As the method and the means are of little
importance, but rather the choices and the energies we choose to create
in ourselves today. The planet will simply shift as it does. It
depends entirely upon each of us and the energies we exhibit. Yes, we
each influence the earth and its energies, not only by our actions, but
by our thought. To dwell upon the fear of a thing is to make itself
manifest, as you the collective creator make it so. Putting concequence
into such matters little except for the life you choose to miss in the
meantime. Fearing harm or death that may or may not inevitably come
only serves to detract. As yourself, "What would I do if these things
were not meant to come about? Or if these things were to transition as
effortlessly and smoothly as imaginable?" What would you then choose to
do?


Elmer - Personally, I made changes to certain long-term plans.
I stopped contributing to my 401K. My wife and I
decided against having a baby. I still go to work
everyday, but I've made drastic changes in the way I
spend my spare time, and the way I relate to other
people. I'm still doing a lot of research and
exploring ways to increase my sprituality. I treat
everybody I encounter, even past enemies, as a friend
now. And I discuss my thoughts and findings with
family, friends and anyone that will listen. I've
joined this discussion group.

You are doing some wonderful things and some things that may need second
thought. Why would you stop your contribution to a 401k plan? The
energy that you invest in this effort is always worth it. Whether
economics or the value of the dollar exists or does not, it is what you
are telling yourself and your loved ones that is the energetic
importance here. If you fear lack, that is what will manifest. But if
you worry yourself not for it and give yourself permission to be of
abundance, then that will be so.

To choose not to bring life into this world because you fear a future
that has not yet happened is a choice that may lead down a road of much
frustration and regret. Never have I encountered one who has regretted a
choice of action than inaction. Invariably it is, "Why did I choose not
to do this? Why did I not have the courage to do that?" Was it ever in
the desire of your heart to raise children? To experience what it would
be like to be a loving parent? Do you not see the potential growth, joy,
and love to experience from such? And what of the child? If we each
choose to be here for the very reason that this world is as it is, then
we do not move forward blindly. From the energy of your thoughts, I
challenge you to search for what it is you truly want. Leave fear out of
the process. What would bring you joy? What would bring you
fulfillment?

Elmer - I still have no idea exactly what will happen to me in
the next 7 years or where I'll end up. I know I'm
ready to move out of 3D. It's heartbreaking to see how
we treat each other at this level.

Perhaps I can share with you a Zen parable upon this:

-- There was a monk who sat in deep meditation. Upon his master's
approach, he stirred and posed a question. "Master, how many lifetimes
do I have left before I reach enlightenment?"
His master looked upon him with reflection and said, "My son, you have 3
more lifetimes left before you reach enlightenment."
"Three more lifetimes?", he said with a somber voice. He then nodded,
closed his eyes and went back into meditation dissapointed.
As the master continued his walk, another monk came up to him and said,
"Master, how many lifetimes do I have left before I reach
enlightenment?"
The old master paused and gave his student a stern look, "Oh my son, you
have 300 lifetimes yet to live."
The young monk blinked with wide eyes and exclaimed, "Three hundred
more? That's wonderful!!!" and skipped off into the forest and became
immediately enlightened. --

Read that parable carefully and then consider the wonderful opportunity
that is life upon this plane.

I would leave you with a final thought. What is it that you truly wish
of life? What advantages can you take in your time here? Are you
taking steps to live life to its fullest potential? What valuable
lesson might that be in the persuit of personal mastery? What service
to others and to yourself might that present?

Live the life that you wish to live. The energy that you sow is what
you shall verily reap. Remember that the universe is as a mirror,
reflecting everything back to you that you ask for, whether you
consciously realize it or not. Take the steps to become a conscious
creator. Therein shall you find the secrets and the answers you have
been looking for. They are within.

Live well,

- David Bryson



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[mawk]

Dear David Bryson,

I just wanted to let you know that in my opinion your response to Elmer was
wonderfully articulated. You should post more often.

Yours Sincerely in Love and light,

Mawk

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Subject: RE: [asc2k] 4D questions and ponderings


> Greetings,
>
> I am one who seldom posts as I choose to simply observe the experiences
> that each of you share and see how your thought processes evolve.
> However, there is the occasion that I feel important to offer a choice
> of clarity among those who do so seek it.
>
> Elmer - "That euphoria soon became confusion about how to
> manage my day-to-day affairs given this knowledge
> about our immediate future."
>
> Here you are already beginning to express your second level of
> confusion. It began as a seeker, not unlike any of us, who now searches
> for what you believe to be truth. But in this statement you begin your
> first step in giving away your power. Here you are asking yourself,
> "Whom do I believe? Whom do I follow? Have I found truth, or more
> misunderstanding?"
>
> On this foundational basis, there is a tendency to set the self upon
> shaky ground. Growing upon this will lead upon a path of further
> confusion and despair. Might I suggest that you take a different
> approach. Ask yourself what truths resonate to you. What is your
> truth? What gives you a sense of peace, excitement, and energizes you?
> Any basis of thought on fear only leads to more fear. Fear is self
> serving by nature, but not in a sense that would be conducive for
> healthy growth of the self towards fulfillment.
>
> Elmer - "How does one know what your individual experience is
> going to be? Should you move to one of Cayce's safe
> zones? If there will be an economic collapse do you
> empty your savings account and hide the cash under a
> mattress? Do you go to work tomorrow or stand on a
> street corner with a "love thy neighbor" placard?"
>
> What does your intuition tell you? Where do you feel pulled to be?
> Follow your inclinations that lead you to a place where you are
> living your best and at your fullest potential. If you make your
> choices based upon fear, it will only lead to more of it.
>
> Live each day to its fullest. What choices did you make before you knew
> of these potential changes? You know how to live in ways that honor
> you. If you are making financial decisions because you fear prophecy of
> economic calamity, then you miss the moments that are here now by
> frivolously running from tomorrow. If the economy truly will be worth
> nothing tomorrow, then what real concern do you have for the value of
> that dollar today? As was said by the Master, "Give unto Caeser what
> belongs to Caeser, and unto God what belongs to God." To truly
> understand that statement has more to do with energy dynamics of you.
>
> Work tomorrow and love thy neighbor. It does not have to be one nor the
> other. It is not in words that one truly expresses who one is, but in
> the deeds and actions that one does. Whatever it is that one wishes to
> be, one merely needs to practice it. Be the example you wish to follow.
>
> Elmer - I remember RA saying they don't concern themselves
> with the method of harvest - but since I'm standing on
> a planet that's going to be demolished, I'm kinda
> concerned! How do you plan for a pole shift? Cross
> your fingers and hope ET knocks on your door before it
> happens?
>
>
> As Ra does not concern themselves with the method of harvest, ultimately
> why would anyone else? As the method and the means are of little
> importance, but rather the choices and the energies we choose to create
> in ourselves today. The planet will simply shift as it does. It
> depends entirely upon each of us and the energies we exhibit. Yes, we
> each influence the earth and its energies, not only by our actions, but
> by our thought. To dwell upon the fear of a thing is to make itself
> manifest, as you the collective creator make it so. Putting concequence
> into such matters little except for the life you choose to miss in the
> meantime. Fearing harm or death that may or may not inevitably come
> only serves to detract. As yourself, "What would I do if these things
> were not meant to come about? Or if these things were to transition as
> effortlessly and smoothly as imaginable?" What would you then choose to
> do?
>
>
> Elmer - Personally, I made changes to certain long-term plans.
> I stopped contributing to my 401K. My wife and I
> decided against having a baby. I still go to work
> everyday, but I've made drastic changes in the way I
> spend my spare time, and the way I relate to other
> people. I'm still doing a lot of research and
> exploring ways to increase my sprituality. I treat
> everybody I encounter, even past enemies, as a friend
> now. And I discuss my thoughts and findings with
> family, friends and anyone that will listen. I've
> joined this discussion group.
>
> You are doing some wonderful things and some things that may need second
> thought. Why would you stop your contribution to a 401k plan? The
> energy that you invest in this effort is always worth it. Whether
> economics or the value of the dollar exists or does not, it is what you
> are telling yourself and your loved ones that is the energetic
> importance here. If you fear lack, that is what will manifest. But if
> you worry yourself not for it and give yourself permission to be of
> abundance, then that will be so.
>
> To choose not to bring life into this world because you fear a future
> that has not yet happened is a choice that may lead down a road of much
> frustration and regret. Never have I encountered one who has regretted a
> choice of action than inaction. Invariably it is, "Why did I choose not
> to do this? Why did I not have the courage to do that?" Was it ever in
> the desire of your heart to raise children? To experience what it would
> be like to be a loving parent? Do you not see the potential growth, joy,
> and love to experience from such? And what of the child? If we each
> choose to be here for the very reason that this world is as it is, then
> we do not move forward blindly. From the energy of your thoughts, I
> challenge you to search for what it is you truly want. Leave fear out of
> the process. What would bring you joy? What would bring you
> fulfillment?
>
> Elmer - I still have no idea exactly what will happen to me in
> the next 7 years or where I'll end up. I know I'm
> ready to move out of 3D. It's heartbreaking to see how
> we treat each other at this level.
>
> Perhaps I can share with you a Zen parable upon this:
>
> -- There was a monk who sat in deep meditation. Upon his master's
> approach, he stirred and posed a question. "Master, how many lifetimes
> do I have left before I reach enlightenment?"
> His master looked upon him with reflection and said, "My son, you have 3
> more lifetimes left before you reach enlightenment."
> "Three more lifetimes?", he said with a somber voice. He then nodded,
> closed his eyes and went back into meditation dissapointed.
> As the master continued his walk, another monk came up to him and said,
> "Master, how many lifetimes do I have left before I reach
> enlightenment?"
> The old master paused and gave his student a stern look, "Oh my son, you
> have 300 lifetimes yet to live."
> The young monk blinked with wide eyes and exclaimed, "Three hundred
> more? That's wonderful!!!" and skipped off into the forest and became
> immediately enlightened. --
>
> Read that parable carefully and then consider the wonderful opportunity
> that is life upon this plane.
>
> I would leave you with a final thought. What is it that you truly wish
> of life? What advantages can you take in your time here? Are you
> taking steps to live life to its fullest potential? What valuable
> lesson might that be in the persuit of personal mastery? What service
> to others and to yourself might that present?
>
> Live the life that you wish to live. The energy that you sow is what
> you shall verily reap. Remember that the universe is as a mirror,
> reflecting everything back to you that you ask for, whether you
> consciously realize it or not. Take the steps to become a conscious
> creator. Therein shall you find the secrets and the answers you have
> been looking for. They are within.
>
> Live well,
>
> - David Bryson
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

[Peter Duggan]

On 29/07/2005, at 11:08 AM, lealdragon wrote:

>
>>
>
> I definitely understand about the 401K - this is the kind of thing I
> am questioning myself. I sometimes wonder, well maybe 4D will just
> be like it is now, except with all the evil people gone. So, we'd
> still have jobs, cars, houses, etc. but just no more murderers,
> rapists, terrrorists, wars, etc. I don't know, but it's a thought.
>

I think Ra say in the LoO that in 4d STO people are so into serving
others that they find eating gets in the way. That's a long way from
our present 3d world

[Filip Van Droogenbroeck]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=nMeD0vJlDSa-v6Q5DJICRL4YH1QHqPGoiO6T62LAaZb6PTKyNHGl_64kVgfRds QTF5leSEKqQ_VGsoE), Bjorn Nitmou <bjorn_nitmou@y...> wrote:
> Its odd reading all this, because for me, I have to
> battle feelings of guilt in regard to Earth Changes.
> This is because they excite me! I dont want people to
> die, I just want change. Im not a martyr, I dont have
> a death wish, but I just dont fear Earth Changes.

I have the same feeling Bjorn. I don't have fear of death cause I know
that we will live on, so if big earth changes would be happening I
will be very excited cause it would mean that the shift is growing and
growing closer. Sometimes I have guilt feelings to, because I'm
looking forward to the earth changes as they point to the shift and
because of this, it seems that I don't care about people dying from
the earth changes. So it's a dilemma between being enthousiastic about
the shift and being serene about cause the changes will create
suffering for the people that die and have fear of death.

From a normal society perspective not having a problem with death is
kind of strange but from a spiritual perspective it's pretty normal.
It's sad for the people that are suffering because of dying and I have
compassion for them but everything still lives on and will keep
experiencing things.
Like they say in Near Death Experiences "there's nothing better then
dying" :)
In my view it's all a perspective of having fear of death or not,
cause then it doesn't matter at all if earth changes would come or not.
I'm still not sure what will happen in 2012, there is a big paradox as
David said a day or 2 ago, with an instant transformation or a
transformation that will take 100 to 700 years. The earth is obviously
changing and it definetly seems to point to 2012 but I can never know
for sure. If it doesn't come in 2012 a lot of people will be pretty
dissillusioned or how do you call that, for myself I try to remain
calmly optimistic without getting to crazy about it cause eventually
we live NOW in this moment, and as it has been said in many readings
ascension is in every moment not on 2012 alone.

peace
filip

[Mary]

That's sort of what I was trying to say - why fear death?

Now, I don't *want* to die right now! My perspective is not
that death is better than life, etc. I need to state that up
front, because I do know people with very fatalistic outlooks
that do believe death will be an improvement! I enjoy life!! However I accept
the fact that this body will give out on me
sooner or later, much in the same way I accept that my car
won't last forever. I look around me and I realize that
everything is always in a state of transition, this is just my current state.
Pretty cool if you ask me. :-)

The way things are set up now, we die. We all die. It's just
a fact of life. I think it'd be kind of pointless to spend
my time fretting about something I know will happen, and there
is nothing I can do about. I was afraid of the transition to
4D at first, but I realized it doesn't matter.
I guess that the details on how this will happen are vague,
and of course we are curious . . . but ultimately does it
matter how it happens?

Throughout my life I have made many mistakes, I can look back
and ask "what WAS I thinking?!?" Yet it usually seems that at
the time I made the best decisions I could with the information
I had at the time. And as I like to say "things always work out, whether you
like the outcome or not". LOL I have very few regrets. But I won't live my
life in fear of what might
happen in the future!!! I could go out tomorrow and be killed
in a car accident - should I not live my life normally because
that might happen?

Mary

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Subject: [asc2k] Re: 4D questions and ponderings

From a normal society perspective not having a problem with death is
kind of strange but from a spiritual perspective it's pretty normal.
It's sad for the people that are suffering because of dying and I have
compassion for them but everything still lives on and will keep
experiencing things.
Like they say in Near Death Experiences "there's nothing better then
dying" :)

[amilius2001]

Filip, You write
> I'm still not sure what will happen in 2012, there is a big
paradox as
> David said a day or 2 ago, with an instant transformation or a
> transformation that will take 100 to 700 years. The earth is
obviously
> changing and it definetly seems to point to 2012 but I can never
know
> for sure. If it doesn't come in 2012 a lot of people will be pretty
> dissillusioned or how do you call that, for myself I try to remain
> calmly optimistic without getting to crazy about it cause
eventually
> we live NOW in this moment, and as it has been said in many
readings
> ascension is in every moment not on 2012 alone.

Fear is not real, so why choose it? What if the possibility for
ascension present in every moment is simply understanding the
gracious context within we have been creating our own
experience? Many already know, understand, and appreciate
this context. Here are some clues:
Of what is One reminded by the taste of the fruit of the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil? How is it similar to the knowledge
of sweet and sour? When is evil not evil? What theme is
common to all Sacred Texts, History, and the Ra Channelings?
December 22, 2012 is the beginning of the Age of Aquarius,
what is the event foretold by the Myth of Aquarius? Just a few
clues... that we left ourselves when last we all were aware of
Being One.
Amilius

[Petrus]

Hi lealdragon,

>I'm wondering how all of you are dealing with this upcoming 2012.
>Are you excited? Nervous? How do you make plans for the future?
>Especially for those of you who have children. I sometimes wonder,

I had a dream a few years ago which recurred in the same form for probably about
a week, and which I think was about the 4D transition. I don't think I've
mentioned this on the list before because I didn't want to steal anyone else's
thunder, and also because I will admit it freaked me out...or I may have
mentioned it, but don't think I have...My short term memory isn't very good at
the moment.

Anyway...this dream started off with me walking across a desert or sandscape
with my mother. We were going up a hill, or an uphill slope, and at one side was
a large screen with images from what I knew was the war in Iraq. As we went
further on, the slope got steeper, and became what seemed like an actual
mountain, as the sandscape also changed and became grey and rocky. Then suddenly
the scene was indoors...I was on a *very* rickety, unstable wooden staircase
inside what seemed to be a very wide tower...it was like a lighthouse, except
square rather then circular, and extremely wide...I was against one wall of it,
but I could hardly see the other walls. At this point I also couldn't see the
top or bottom either...it extended in both directions as far as I could see. As
I was trying to make my way up this staircase, there were several occasions when
the step I was standing on broke, and the only thing I was holding myself up
with were wooden bannisters on either side, although they weren't much more
stable than the stairs themselves. At times I felt not only like I was floating
in space, held up by nothing at all, but it also felt as though my spine was
broken...no pain, but just a sense of not having any kind of foundation.

I eventually made it to the top of the stairs, and the scene shifted to me being
inside a very old, dilapidated
single-room house at the top of the mountain. The only room I can remember was a
dirty, rundown kitchen. The floor in this room was so fragile that I couldn't
walk on it, or I would have fallen through...There were benches and a sink
running around the walls, and I had to get up on those and run across them in
order to get to a wooden door on the far end. When I got through that I was out
in the open air, and I can remember an overcast sky...clouds. There was another
small flight of wooden stairs here (only about four) and at the top of that was
a door with a lot of light coming out around the edges. I opened that and went
through it, and had the sensation of becoming non-corporeal. I can't describe it
and won't really try...the only part of it which I can describe is a feeling of
expanding. I know that probably sounds crazy...but I can remember very
consciously wondering how it was that I could still see the light that I was
surrounded by, since I no longer had physical eyes.

I was an obsessive fan of the Matrix films, and so know that there was a scene
almost identical to this near the end of the Matrix Reloaded. The thing was, I
had this dream probably six months *before* I saw Reloaded. The dream occured
for about a week in October of 2002, and I saw Reloaded in June of 2003. When I
first saw the scene in Reloaded I actually became somewhat scared because of the
degree of similarity...I wondered what was wrong with me, or if anything was.

What I've interpreted this as though is as a possible precognitive dream of what
is going to happen to me in 2012...at least I hope that is what it is. That
probably sounds arrogant...I'm no saint, and in fact lately have been feeling
exactly the opposite because of what happened with my ex-girlfriend.

My point though is...Am I scared of 2012? Yeah, I am a bit...I won't lie to you.
Although I will also say that it's the sort of fear that I used to have when I
had to go and have intravenous blood tests as a kid because of kidney stones. As
a child, a needle could be a very scary thing to me...I feared the pain, and
also the loss of blood. It however was temporary, and led to a positive
outcome...the kidney was full of stones, and they had to eventually pull it out
because in the end it was giving me near constant pain...they needed the blood
to do tests and also to give me transfusions after they figured out what my type
was, etc.

That's the perspective I'm trying to maintain about this...that yes, part of me
(probably my ego, mostly) would prefer to stay in the world as it currently
exists, simply because that way at least I know I'll survive in some form.
Another part of me though is maintaining the belief that a change is
necessary...not just for me, but for the planet in general, but that God is in
control, and that ultimately it will be a beneficial experience. This requires
faith...and maintaining faith is probably the most difficult thing for
me...especially in more recent years because of my having engaged in various
substances which I really shouldn't have, as well as having done a number of
other rather questionable things in order to survive. I don't want to be STS,
and I really try not to be...but the world went crazy for me in 1995 and hasn't
really returned to sanity since, and most of what I've been focused on has been
about keeping myself and one or two other people as whole mentally and
physically as possible.

I'm meandering a lot in this post, I know...rambling...but here I think is why.
Although I've just broken up with my ex and I'm probably not making a lot of
sense because of that, the point is also that in the transition to 4D, we're in
the proverbial home stretch now. It is getting a lot closer to crunch time, and
we're going to start witnessing a lot more unions between fecal matter and rotor
blades, to quote another somewhat crude expression. This is something I've known
about on some level since the end of the 80s, but that hasn't made it any easier
to deal with...in fact it's probably made it a whole lot harder.

Is it going to temporarily get seriously scary? Yes. Is it going to get chaotic?
You bet. Fasten your seatbelt...if it's one thing we're guaranteed on this ride,
it's turbulence. The point is though, that if you find somewhere to keep your
head down, and hold yourself together emotionally to whatever degree you can, at
one point you'll feel a jolt, after which it'll be all over. You'll look around
in amazement and wonder what everybody was so worried about. I've had more
dreams than just the one I described above where that has happened...and as I
said, in those the only thing that happened was that there was a jolt, or some
kind of noticeable transition which lasted for maybe a few seconds, and then
after that, I realised I was dead, got together with my family, and we started
to do far more positive things together than what we'd been doing in life. This
whole post probably sounds crazy I know...but we live in crazy times...and I
hope that the reason why I've had some of these dreams is so I can use them to
reassure other people who are worried about this that they don't need to be. It
is exactly like a trip to the dentist...initially it scares the hell out of you,
but you walk out of it wondering what you were afraid of.

I'm also aware that there is a rule in this list against self-promotion and
blowing your own horn, and I apologise if I've done that here...I refrain from
probably saying a lot that I otherwise would here because I worry about that.
This is David's list though, and David's show...I'm not arguing with that, and
have never wanted to. This post is actually about seconding what I think his
material has talked about...that despite how everything looks most of the time
these days, God is in control and we will ultimately survive it...maybe not
physically, no...but we will survive it.


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[Petrus]

Hi lealdragon,

>But, it reminds me so much of how my husband and I felt in the 80s.
>Back then, the 'Big Date' was 1987 - it was pretty much a given

I think a lot of these other dates have been genuinely important. I don't
believe that nothing happened during those times...rather that what did happen
was misinterpreted. Personally I saw 1989 as the beginning of the end of the
degree of stability that had existed for me before that, but that was in
hindsight.



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