2012 - The End Of Time

[Light Eye]

Dear Friends,

Some time ago I sent an interesting article by Jay Weidner entitled 2012: The
Topology of Time - http://www.jayweidner.com/2012Topology.html

Here's an interesting interview with Jay. The interview is in the second hour of
the link, but it's worth the wait.

http://www.radiorbit.com/audio/071105jayweidner.mp3

Be Well, Be Love.

David


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[aaaxxxisss]

In light of the information related to, and conveyed
in the radio program suggested below, consider these
articles and sites attesting to the same, and that
ultimately nevertheless "All is well".

This is for information only, and not meant to open up
either a debate or a firestorm...simply consider these
in the same vein as nothing more or less than a
weather aberration, a solar flare, or the distant
possible rumble of a quake off the coast:

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/july2005/070705standstogain.htm

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/july2005/230705channel4whitewash.htm



> Dear Friends,
>
> Some time ago I sent an interesting article by Jay
> Weidner entitled 2012: The Topology of Time -
> http://www.jayweidner.com/2012Topology.html
>
> Here's an interesting interview with Jay. The
> interview is in the second hour of the link, but
> it's worth the wait.
>
> http://www.radiorbit.com/audio/071105jayweidner.mp3
>
> Be Well, Be Love.
>
> David
>
>
>




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[Ron Erickson]

David: Here's an interesting interview with Jay. The interview is in the second
hour of the link, but it's worth the wait.
http://www.radiorbit.com/audio/071105jayweidner.mp3

Ron: Thanks David for pointing us to this. I downloaded the radio archive and
listened to it in its entirety, and then listened to the interview a second
time. This is really strange and inspiring stuff - and if the key predictions
are essentially true, then we are close to (7 years from) major changes - and
indeed the end of time as we have known it. Most of us have been raised on and
influenced by scientific rationalism and scepticism, and I still reserve some
sceptical detachment, but the coincidences/synchronicities between the Weidner
interview and my own life are compelling, to put it mildly. Here are a few
thoughts and some Hawkwind song lyrics that these thoughts remind of:

Year 2012 is expected to be the approximate time of major change - allignment
with the Mayan calendar, procession of the equinox, birth of the golden/Aquarian
age. The period before this is expected to be a time of extreme chaos, strife
and suffering, but also a time of great developments in technology, creativity
and spiritual growth. Although many will die in a major catastrophe, others
will survive to seed the age of enlightenment. According to Weidner, this
catastrophe will involve one or more exploding stars near the center of our
galaxy, which will spray cosmic (irridium) dust on the solar system, which will
cause the sun to produce huge solar flairs that reach out toward the inner
planets. Weidner says that these events are predicted in icons on the Cross at
Hendaye: the exploding star, the angry sun, etc. In fact, this galactic event
is supposed to have a 26,000 year cycle, precisely alligned with the "procession
of the equinox".

The last chapter of the book "The Great Cross at Hendaye" was added in 1957 -
some 30 years after the first publication - apparently in order that it would
coincide with the emergence of the "the last generation" before the end of the
world (as we know it), also referred to as "the terminal generation".
Incidentally, 1957 was the year I was born.


This all reminds me of a song by Hawkwind. Note that I am not aware of any
connections between the band Hawkwind and Weidner, the Mayan calendar, or The
Law of One, for that matter. Here are the complete lyrics to "Children of the
Sun", from the album "In search of Space" (1971):

The golden age of the future comes
That which was dreamed of in the past
Where freedom reigns on minds of peace
Minds rich in wisdom to the last
We are the children of the sun

and this is our inheritance
No longer chaos and confusion
But love and laughter
Song and dance



Weidner says that the mountains of Peru are especially well suited to surviving
this catastrophe - and that there are already miles of tunnels through the Andes
- which the Peruvian government has plans for.


Here's a Hawkwind except from "The Golden Void":

So you think the time is past,
The life you lead will always last
Chaotic fusion's of your soul,
Down below that rocky knoll
Through the clouds an open sky,
The wind flows through your watering eyes
The sounds are pitched to draw you
On your never ending journey
On the edge of time,
The edge of time





"Day 7" from the "Hawkwind log" (from "In search of Space"):



If I can ever get out of the city,

I'll go to the mountains..

If I can ever get out of the city.





Hawkwind lyric, "Seven by Seven"



Seven signs rode on seven stars,
Seven ways to find the long lost bards
Seven days became seven years
While Pocus laughed and called foul jeers
Seven times he cursed their seven tears
Till each one became their seven fears
What is lost is never gained again
I've cast the spell that eternity chained
No more to cry oh mortal soul
The astral path is now your fortuitous role

Lost am I in this world
of timelessness and woe
Can I find the doorway
to which I must go
Is the key to this plane,
Too much for me to try to gain
Is the passport to this world,
My astral soul?


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[Ron Erickson]

I have a small correction to make regarding my previous message - where I say
"The last chapter of the book "The Great Cross at Hendaye" was added in 1957 -
some 30 years after the first publication - ". The book is actually called 'le
mystere des cathedrales' (Mystery of the Cathedrals), originally written by
Fulcanelli in 1926. "The Great Cross at Hendaye" is the name of the chapter
which was added in 1957. Mike Hagan, the host of radiOrbit provided me with
this clarification.

Ron

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[ajlong001]

Interesting stuff to say the least.
I listen to the interview and read what he had online.

A problem that I have with his scenario is at no point are we told to
go ahead look through a telescope to see the 'end' comming.
That is, an explosion in the middle of the galaxy is going to take time
to get to us - maybe someone knows how many LIGHTYEARS it takes.. then
you can try and figure it out for particles of dust and gass...
As well, you would be able to see 'something' as he
describes 'creeping' through the galaxy as it came towards us.
If it is to reach us in 2012 I imagine it would have had to already
occur....

But what do I know? Maybe someone more elightned than myself could
clarify better...

Otherwise - Fascinating to say the least. Have to do some of my own
research on the "End Of Time" w.r.t. different cultures having the same
time 'calandar' comming to an end...

Peace to All
Andrew



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> I have a small correction to make regarding my previous message -
where I say "The last chapter of the book "The Great Cross at Hendaye"
was added in 1957 - some 30 years after the first publication - ". The
book is actually called 'le mystere des cathedrales' (Mystery of the
Cathedrals), originally written by Fulcanelli in 1926. "The Great
Cross at Hendaye" is the name of the chapter which was added in 1957.
Mike Hagan, the host of radiOrbit provided me with this clarification.
>
> Ron
>
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[David Wilcock]

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ajlong001

>Interesting stuff to say the least.
I listen to the interview and read what he had online.

A problem that I have with his scenario is at no point are we told to
go ahead look through a telescope to see the 'end' comming.
That is, an explosion in the middle of the galaxy is going to take time
to get to us - maybe someone knows how many LIGHTYEARS it takes.. then
you can try and figure it out for particles of dust and gass...
As well, you would be able to see 'something' as he
describes 'creeping' through the galaxy as it came towards us.
If it is to reach us in 2012 I imagine it would have had to already
occur....

DW: It was disappointing to hear that he advocates Dr. Paul LaViolette's
"Galactic Superwave Theory" as if it were gospel truth. This Hendaye cross
info has been around for years now but he never really seems to get it
together and get any publicity for it. I myself actually paid for an earlier
copy of the book by credit card and never received it, way back in 96 or 97
- and as a result this data never had the chance to make it into the
Convergence series.

Trust me, the Galactic superwave theory is just that - a theory, and one
that is not backed up with tangible evidence. It's not quite as crude as the
Planet X theory but not a whole lot better either, quite honestly.

In order to really understand what's going on you have to see that there are
aetheric energy zones within galaxies that we move through in even intervals
of time. When we move into a more energetic zone, it activates the entire
solar system, such as we are now seeing with interplanetary climate change.

It is also unfortunate that this teaching appears to be infused with a
prophecy of doom. Whether it is true or not, my understanding is that either
you have immediate light-body activation, in which case it does not matter,
or you are given the opportunity to evacuate with higher entities, in which
case it does not matter if you accept. Everyone is given an opportunity to
break out of here before it hits, due to the unique nature of this
particular type of event.

Law of One scholars should remember that Ra indicated a 22-degree pole shift
would happen - but they also said that it is of "extremely transient"
importance.

Peace be with you -

- David

[Ron Erickson]

Andrew: A problem that I have with his scenario is at no point are we told to go
ahead look through a telescope to see the 'end' comming. That is, an explosion
in the middle of the galaxy is going to take time to get to us - maybe someone
knows how many LIGHTYEARS it takes.. then you can try and figure it out for
particles of dust and gass... As well, you would be able to see 'something' as
he describes 'creeping' through the galaxy as it came towards us. If it is to
reach us in 2012 I imagine it would have had to already occur....

Ron: You raised a very important point that needs to be explained. When we look
out into the night sky, we are not seeing celestial objects as they are in the
present - but rather how they were when light left these objects. Now, our
galaxy is very large: the distance between the sun and the center of our galaxy
is 26,000 light years. Note that this is also the period of the procession of
the equinox. Because of this, these events that we are soon supposedly to
witness have already happened - 26,000 years ago. There is expected to be
another galactic explosion occurring in 2012 - but this "new one" will not be
the one that will be visible here - but rather the previous one. Because light
travels much faster than the explosion (of dust), we would see the light (of the
explosion) well before the second event - which is the galactic dust storm.
Assuming that these events are indeed in progress, we will not see anything
"creeping through the galaxy", but rather it will arrive in two distinct stages:
first - a visible explosion (in 2012?), followed by a galactic storm - arriving
at explosive (but not light-speed) velocity.

Perhaps the "age of enlightenment" will be the period between these two events.
Something else to think about: Perhaps these events have already been witnessed
by humans (or higher-dimensional beings) who are able to see the universe from a
higher-dimensional perspective - such that the state of the galaxy (and entire
universe) can actually be seen as it is in the present - rather than
after-the-fact. This possibility seems to be supported by the principle of
quantum "non-locality" (which is not restricted by the speed-of-light limit of
Einstein's theory of relativity) and by the concept of hyper-dimensional space.

Ron

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[lealdragon]

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>...some Hawkwind song lyrics that these thoughts remind of:
>

Hey, so cool to find another Hawkwind fan! I am familiar with these
songs; first discovered Hawkwind in 1975. Their music is definitely
mystical.

> ... According to Weidner, this catastrophe will involve one or
more exploding stars near the center of our galaxy, which will spray
cosmic (irridium) dust on the solar system, which will cause the sun
to produce huge solar flairs that reach out toward the inner
planets.


Sounds exciting; another of many possible scenarios. Whenever I hear
of predictions, I am always reminded of when Ra (or was it Hatonn?)
said (paraphrased): 'To use an analogy, imagine that you are walking
down the aisle of your grocery store, looking at the breakfast foods
available. That this planet will have breakfast (translate: 'go thru
a shift') is certain. What variety of breakfast cereal shall be
eaten, is still subject to various factors, based on free will.'

[Ron Erickson]

I have a few thoughts to add to my previous message post.

First, the distance figure of 26,000 LY between the sun and galaxy center came
from
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/solarsystem/where.shtml -
but this is only an approximation, and I've found another web source that give
the figure 25,000 LT, and Dr. Paul LaViolette (www.etheric.com) mentioned the
figure 23,000 LT in an interview on radiOrbit (aired on January, 23, 2005).
This doesn't mean that the date of 2012 is wrong, but I don't know if this is
related to specific cyclic events such as the Mayan calendar. If it is, then
it's kind of like a galactic "standing wave", if you get my drift.

Second, I believe that my statement "Perhaps the "age of enlightenment" will be
the period between these two events." is probably the most important thing I
said. Think about this: If we knew with some certainty that we were headed
toward a two-stage galactic cataclysm, which might cause another ice age, I
think it would greatly change social values - hopefully away from greed and
materialism and toward a drastic re-evaluation of purpose for humanity.

After listening to the LaViolette interview, I need to revise a few details. If
we are all sitting on hill tops with telescopes in 2012 waiting to see some
galactic light show, we may be making a grave mistake - literally. You see, the
electromagnetic waves would apparently be cosmic, gamma and ultraviolet rays -
so we would not be able to see these with our eyes. These rays would go through
us, and if these were sufficiently intense, the effect might be comparable to
the people who watched the first tests of nuclear explosions in Arizona/Nevada
and believed that they would be protected by wearing sunglasses. As we know,
they quickly died of various nuclear radiation-related illnesses. I don't know
how long something like this would last, but perhaps there might be a
devastating cataclysm in 2012, and we may need to live for a period of time
underground or otherwise in areas that would shield us sufficiently from harmful
rays. I don't know if this hypothesis has a solid basis in fact, but I think
it's worth investigating further - considering what's at stake.

Ron

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[aaaxxxisss]

Dear David,

You state: "Whether it is true or not, my
understanding is that either you have immediate
light-body activation, in which case it does not
matter, or you are given the opportunity to evacuate
with higher entities, in which case it does not matter
if you accept. Everyone is given an opportunity to
break out of here before it hits, due to the unique
nature of this particular type of event."


Might you please be so kind as to direct me to to any
material of "The Law Of One" which specifically refers
to this either/or 'opportunity' you make referance to?
I am familiar with this thought and concept, to be
sure, but would be more thrilled to find it uniquely
cited in the Loo material. If it is not contained in
the Loo material, then perhaps that referance source
might also be shared as well.

My gratitude and thanks in advance.









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If it is, then it's kind of
> like a galactic "standing wave", if you get my
> drift.

Now that you mention "standing wave", I've been
meaning to post this link... worth a read by everyone
here, don't know if David has seen this but I'd be
interested in his opinion of this material.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave_i.htm



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[David Wilcock]

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aaaxxxisss

>Dear David,

>You state: "Whether it is true or not, my
understanding is that either you have immediate
light-body activation, in which case it does not
matter, or you are given the opportunity to evacuate
with higher entities, in which case it does not matter
if you accept. Everyone is given an opportunity to
break out of here before it hits, due to the unique
nature of this particular type of event."

>Might you please be so kind as to direct me to to any
material of "The Law Of One" which specifically refers
to this either/or 'opportunity' you make referance to?
I am familiar with this thought and concept, to be
sure, but would be more thrilled to find it uniquely
cited in the Loo material. If it is not contained in
the Loo material, then perhaps that referance source
might also be shared as well.

My gratitude and thanks in advance.

DW: First off I should remind everyone that this is not the "ask David a
question" list - there wouldn't be much of a discussion if I was the only
one with any answers to provide.

That being said, we are now working in the dicey area of interpretation,
which is never easy. I can see from the way you wrote this that you're
hoping to reduce some of the confusion around how the Law of One series
phrases these critical issues. Yet, trying to get the Law of One series to
commit to a physical scenario is like trying to nail Jello to a tree. This
gets back to the Law of Confusion. They kept it very, very vague, which is
precisely what leads to the opportunity for discussions and further
elaboration like we are now doing. So here goes:

1. The idea of an "assisted transfer" at the crucial point was never
explicitly mentioned in the Law of One series. Nonetheless, my understanding
that something like this might happen has come from a variety of sources.
Law of One scholar Dr. Scott Mandelker had a pivotal, life-changing dream
that featured such a scenario. Joseph Mason (www.greatdreams.com) went into
great detail with me about this concept the very night before my own
channeling contact began - and he had gotten this data from his own Dream
Voice. He tied in the critical data linking this to Revelations 11:11 in the
Bible, which is mirrored in my article "Revelation on the Revelation."

Joseph Myers, in his book "Edward Bellamy Writes Again,"
(www.reincarntion2002.com) has an assisted transfer scenario where everyone,
regardless of orientation, is given the opportunity, and negative people
innately think it's a trap and sort themselves out that way. I myself have
had scores and scores of Ascension dreams that either implied or directly
stated that this would happen. Though it is always possible that my
conscious mind may have interfered with the information, there is a reading
that came through me that seems to spell this all out as well, which
provoked a lot of discussion when I first posted it back in December 2002.

I want to state, for the record, that this "assisted transfer" probably does
involve the transmutation of your physical body once you agree to get on
with it - you're basically done with third-density at that point. In the
sense that the essence of your body Ascends, the body you had before is no
longer there. And no one can ever change the fact that the Law of One series
did say, unequivocally, that "the entrance into fourth density requires that
transition known as death, for (in fourth density) the third-density energy
fields would fail due to electrical incompatibility." That's a paraphrase,
but it's in there if you look for it. (See http://wiki.lawof1.org for a
search.)

Another clue is when Ra says that they are responsible for "the management
and transfer of planetary populations," and then go into the story of what
happened with Mars. You can also ruminate on this from the quote about how
the Guardians insure that "the harvest will take place without bruise or
blemish."

2. The idea of "light body activation", again, is not spelled out in black
and white in the Law of One series. Nonetheless, as you can see here, the
two concepts basically become one and the same. I do feel that light-body
activation involves a meeting with a more evolved aspect of yourself, which
is what the "assisted transfer" is all about. And whether you're a Wanderer
or otherwise, it's probably likely that most people who were just doing the
Earth experience will stick together once this happens - for the biggest
I-told-you-so party in human history... ;)

While we're here someone is invariably going to bring up the Law of One 2012
paradox. On the one hand they say that the core vibrations of the green-ray
photon will be activated between 2011 and 2013, and on the other hand they
say that the Earth's transition into fourth-density could take as much as
300 to 700 years.

There does appear to be ONLY one solution that can rectify this apparent
paradox. If some people are offered "assisted transfer" and turn it down,
and then more intense Earth Changes happen but they survive those, no higher
being is going to step in and take 'em out like a gangster. Nonetheless, as
the 4D vibrations engulf the planet more and more in these early stages,
people will become more and more sterile and unable to reproduce, due to the
"electrical incompatibility" of third-density and fourth-density bodies - so
people basically stop being able to have children, and this takes between
300 to 700 years to set in depending on how resilient the survivors are and
how many there are.

With all this being said, we really need to be careful that we not obsess on
these ideas. We don't want this online mystery school to promote fear and
separation, and talk of Earth Changes invariably invokes that. There are
plenty of channeled sources out there that are "mixed" and invoke a sense of
fear and doom in talking about this even while they claim not to, and one of
them was just brought up again in another recent post.

If you are afraid of Earth Changes and 2012 then you have totally missed the
point.

Peace be with you -

- David

[raistlinflux]

> If you are afraid of Earth Changes and 2012 then you have totally
missed the
> point.
>
> Peace be with you -
>
> - David

Hi David,

I partially agree with your comment above, yet it seems in a way that
we're not allowed to be afraid of "Earth Changes and 2012". That is,
that if we are afraid, we missed the point. Yet how can we not be
afraid (at least a bit) of something we don't know, (we may never)
and
we don't fully understand. Yes, faith, I know, but many people don't
have that faith yet.

I had a dream a few nights ago, where I was in front of my computer,
and I suddenly knew that "the greatest moment of all ages" had
finally
arrived. There was some sort of subconscious voice which seemed to
penetrate through everything and everyone and let everyone know that
the moment is now. I assumed it was 2012. Then as I was looking
around, in my room, everything was vibrating. Everything that I could
see was vibrating with a warm glow around it. The walls, pictures,
windows, everything. It was like a mass "wave" as it has been written
before, but a wave of consciousness, overwhelming.

Yet once I realized that, I felt something wrong. I felt like this is
not supposed to happen this way. And in my dream I asked myself, "if
this is the greates moment of all time" then where is the free-will
in
it, if I and everyone else don't have the choice to not participate?"
And as soon as I realized that, I simply denied my current reality,
and fell through empty space back to my physical body. I woke up and
for a few minutes I felt afraid, but happy in a strange way that I
did
break through that particular illusion.

I don't know if this has any relevance, yet, I tend to believe in my
heart that this moment will not be a sudden thing at all, and more
like a gradual process. If a person truly desires to live, and have
children, and turn 40, and 50 and 60, and live with their own faith
in
love, and with the hope to learn more of the lessons they came here
to
learn, how can it be that such a person will be "forced" to make a
choice. The choice to "ascend" that is. Again, I don't see the free
will in that. I would love to hear your comments, or anyone else's
for
that matter on this subject.

I was told before (by you, as I recall during my reading) that I was
a
wonderer, and for a time I believed in it too. Yet I don't consider
myself one, I just try to be a human and make the best I can of my
time here, regardless of who I really am. Same thing with the 2012
thing, I used to believe in a more "dramatic", if you will, comming
about of the 4th dimension... then I gave up.

I don't see the point in living with the thought that we have 8 more
years to live within this illusion, when we can simply live our lives
as best as we can, and if the time comes then so be it. You have to
understand that for many people who have come to the notion of 2012
as
described by your work, the element of fear is and will be there,
until they either truly understand it (which could only be when it
actually happens) or until they have 100% faith in the positive
outcome of it.

I hope I wasn't being critical, that wasn't my intention. Just wanted
to share some few thoughts, since I haven't written in a while.

love is all,
Vlad

[amilius2001]

Vlad, I think I may have an insight that may asist you in resolving
the question you pose here:

Yet once I realized that, I felt something wrong. I felt like this is
not supposed to happen this way. And in my dream I asked
myself, "if
this is the greates moment of all time" then where is the free-will
in
it, if I and everyone else don't have the choice to not participate?"

What if we chose the experience of many incarnations not unlike
choosing to ride a roller coaster several times in a row, with a
different seat each time? What if offspring of Total Awareness
choose experiences of partial awareness for the experience of
appreciating the roller coaster ride back to Total Awareness? I
once asked in meditation 'In what context might Predestination
and Free Will exist even though they seem mutually exclusive?
The answer I got was simple:
The only thing predestined by the Universe is Absolute Joy. You
all have the Free Will to avoid it.
We are creative beings of the One Source capable of
appreciating any and all experience by virtue of aligning choice
and purpose in acknowledging our own creation. Where is the
Free Will in any moment of Life? In your choice to find a context
of appreciation. Everything else you chose before you began
your cycles of incarnation the decision to remember the nature
and Being of Graciously Organized Design through the chosen
forgetting of the fullness of Being. How else would you imagine
creative eternal beings to pass a few billion years for the fun of
it? Next time you have that dream, open to the experience as a
wonder rather than choosing to feel submissive. You gain in the
former what you lose in the latter: responsibility for your chosen
experience and , with that, the ability to appreciate and change it.
We are all One. Separation is an illusion within the One
Graciously Organized Design that is. We designed it this way.
Amilius
2012 will be quite the party!

[Ron Erickson]

I was looking on the web for some information about exploding stars. Here's some
information that I've collected..

It seems that NASA has been exploring this for some time - which is no surprise,
but it doesn't get the same press coverage as manned Space Shuttle launches -
but this may change if something major is detected. The Swift satellite was
launched last year by a consortium of countries (US, UK and Italy) to detect
gamma-ray bursts from exploding stars. Here's a quote from the BBC: "The Burst
Alert Telescope has been built by the US space agency's (Nasa) Goddard research
centre to detect and locate a gamma-ray burst over a wide portion of the sky."

The 2012 scenario that we've been discussing is by no means "the only
attraction". There are cosmic explosions happening quite often - even
supernovae - but fortunately, these have been extremely far away in other
galaxies. According to Dr Neil Gehrels (Swift's Principal Investigator at
Goddard) "We expect to detect and analyse over 100 gamma-ray bursts a year".
BBC: "They will be keen to know, too, if the sorts of stars that give rise to
gamma-ray bursts could exist nearby in our galaxy." Here are some comments from
University of Leicester professor Alan Wells, "If an event were to occur
relatively close to our position in our galaxy, the energy emission is so
intense that you could envisage massive doses of gamma-ray radiation reaching
the Earth's surface. That would be very damaging to life as we know it and have
a very serious effect on the preservation of the atmosphere around the Earth."
Dr Nial Tanviar, from the University of Hertfordshire added "Even if we survived
that, the expectation is that following the gamma-rays there would be very
high-energy particles - cosmic rays - which would arrive over a period of weeks
and even months from which, to be honest, there is no escape." Keep in mind
that the "2012 scenario" is by no means "close to our position", but it's
interesting (and perhaps somewhat alarming) that $250M is being spent on this
satellite at this time.

Here's some specific information, if you're interested (Professor Mason,
reporting to the BBC):
"The gamma-ray event itself may last only a few seconds - although the afterglow
that frequently follows a burst continues to emit X-rays, optical light and
radio waves for hours or weeks afterwards. They pack more energy into their
fleeting appearance than our Sun will release in its entire lifetime. Theory
suggests a giant short-lived star can experience a catastrophic collapse when
the nuclear reactions in its core can no longer support its mass. This type of
star implodes, creating a black hole at its centre and sucking in all the
material around it. This material spirals down into the black hole very
quickly. One of the consequences of this is that a high velocity jet is formed.
This jet is travelling at very close to the speed of light, and it punches its
way out through the star, producing shocks which produce gamma-rays, which
produce X-rays, which produce the flash that we see."

Ron

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[Jane Seymour]

Greetings,

Interesting dream you had. This reality in which we
live is indeed very much different from what i
previously thought not long ago through studies
including a book i've read recently called "The
Holographic Universe". I actually found myself
experiencing odd things while reading it, such as the
feeling everything was fake around me and that i was
only an observer in a physical body. I definately
believe in free will and that everyone has a choice.
I've noticed lately though in myself that my thoughts
spoken aloud have been manifesting at a rapid pace
like never before. Also a dream i had 3 mths ago, i
remember waking up in the 5th Dimension and speaking
it outloud wondering why i had to adjust my eyes
because it resembled static. Anyways just my thoughts
on this very interesting topic. Personally i cannot
wait till 2012 comes, i believe beyond doubt that it
will be the beginning of the new Aeon (Aquarius)
almost like the 1000 yr peace period mentioned in
Revelations.

God Bless,
Divine Beauty


--- raistlinflux <raistlinflux@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=rc-IEpW4CgR-mjq6x9bXyfySs4gZssOiHk8TREoFMthrA0sRpvSKvNLFv8T3sf sRCTjL_-RDhHj0siL0fWM)> wrote:

>
> Hi David,
>
> I partially agree with your comment above, yet it
> seems in a way that
> we're not allowed to be afraid of "Earth Changes and
> 2012". That is,
> that if we are afraid, we missed the point. Yet how
> can we not be
> afraid (at least a bit) of something we don't know,
> (we may never)
> and
> we don't fully understand. Yes, faith, I know, but
> many people don't
> have that faith yet.
>
> I had a dream a few nights ago, where I was in front
> of my computer,
> and I suddenly knew that "the greatest moment of all
> ages" had
> finally
> arrived. There was some sort of subconscious voice
> which seemed to
> penetrate through everything and everyone and let
> everyone know that
> the moment is now. I assumed it was 2012. Then as I
> was looking
> around, in my room, everything was vibrating.
> Everything that I could
> see was vibrating with a warm glow around it. The
> walls, pictures,
> windows, everything. It was like a mass "wave" as it
> has been written
> before, but a wave of consciousness, overwhelming.
>
> Yet once I realized that, I felt something wrong. I
> felt like this is
> not supposed to happen this way. And in my dream I
> asked myself, "if
> this is the greates moment of all time" then where
> is the free-will
> in
> it, if I and everyone else don't have the choice to
> not participate?"
> And as soon as I realized that, I simply denied my
> current reality,
> and fell through empty space back to my physical
> body. I woke up and
> for a few minutes I felt afraid, but happy in a
> strange way that I
> did
> break through that particular illusion.
>
> I don't know if this has any relevance, yet, I tend
> to believe in my
> heart that this moment will not be a sudden thing at
> all, and more
> like a gradual process. If a person truly desires
> to live, and have
> children, and turn 40, and 50 and 60, and live with
> their own faith
> in
> love, and with the hope to learn more of the lessons
> they came here
> to
> learn, how can it be that such a person will be
> "forced" to make a
> choice. The choice to "ascend" that is. Again, I
> don't see the free
> will in that. I would love to hear your comments, or
> anyone else's
> for
> that matter on this subject.
>
> I was told before (by you, as I recall during my
> reading) that I was
> a
> wonderer, and for a time I believed in it too. Yet I
> don't consider
> myself one, I just try to be a human and make the
> best I can of my
> time here, regardless of who I really am. Same thing
> with the 2012
> thing, I used to believe in a more "dramatic", if
> you will, comming
> about of the 4th dimension... then I gave up.
>
> I don't see the point in living with the thought
> that we have 8 more
> years to live within this illusion, when we can
> simply live our lives
> as best as we can, and if the time comes then so be
> it. You have to
> understand that for many people who have come to the
> notion of 2012
> as
> described by your work, the element of fear is and
> will be there,
> until they either truly understand it (which could
> only be when it
> actually happens) or until they have 100% faith in
> the positive
> outcome of it.
>
> I hope I wasn't being critical, that wasn't my
> intention. Just wanted
> to share some few thoughts, since I haven't written
> in a while.
>
> love is all,
> Vlad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


"When the Power of Love overcomes the Love of Power, then we will have Peace!"
Jimi Hendrix



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[Petrus]

>(www.reincarntion2002.com) has an assisted transfer scenario where everyone,
>regardless of orientation, is given the opportunity, and negative people
>innately think it's a trap and sort themselves out that way. I myself have

I had a dream once (close to ten years ago, when my own belief system was
completely different) where I and a lot of other people had boarded what in the
dream looked like a large passenger jet, except it was piloted by Greys, who had
told us that the world was ending and that they were taking us somewhere where
we would be a lot happier. There was a last "stopover" where a large number of
people got off the plane. There wasn't one of the usual mobile staircases from
the plane to the ground; in this scenario, angels were actually flying back and
forth from the plane to the ground carrying people. I felt a strong urge to get
off the plane with the other people, but didn't...I stayed on. After I stayed
on, the plane actually went to hell...the sky outside it became red, and the
Greys who were piloting it became taller and developed these horrible leering
grins...all the other passengers began screaming. I woke up at that point, and
had a fair amount of difficulty getting back to sleep afterward. I can only
assume that in having that dream, I was interpreting what I was seeing/info I
was being sent through the lens of my then-current belief system (a particularly
fearful brand of fundamentalist Christianity) at the time...and thus the dream
was intended to come through as something positive, but was severely distorted
by my own fear.


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[Petrus]

Hi Raistlin,
Love the nick...he was always one of my favourite chars as well.

>I partially agree with your comment above, yet it seems in a way that
>we're not allowed to be afraid of "Earth Changes and 2012". That is,
>that if we are afraid, we missed the point. Yet how can we not be

I can't speak for David, and I wouldn't try to...but my own perspective here is
that it's not so much the case that we're *not allowed* to feel afraid, as that
we're encouraged to look at the idea that fear isn't going to do anything to
help us. You're right I think when you say that a certain amount of fear is
human and normal, at least for most of us...the point though is that this is one
situation where fear is actually going to make our lives more difficult, rather
than easier.
That I think is the main thing to realise...sure, we're allowed to be
afraid...we can get as scared as we want, if we choose to do that. Doing that
however could prevent us from experiencing something very positive; fear can
sometimes be a barrier to growth. I wrote a post here a bit back about the film
Batman Begins, with regard to this topic...I think that film has some very
interesting things to say about fear in general and how to deal with it.


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