steve_01@...
09-21-2001, 03:36 PM
hello group,
i wanted to say a few things to this group as a whole, i have only been on this
list for a week or two, but was on it a while back.
and have read may of the posts. i have to say i have not seen hardly anyone
seeking the truth since being here. where exactly is it you all imagine you are
ascending to ? and how do you propose to reach it ? because your attachments and
the vibrational signature of many in here, and the emails they send tells me you
are not going anywhere unless you can give up yourself to what is true. you
cannot carry your own ideas of a self, which is a dream into some other ideas of
self, or into another dream. unless you begin to seek to wake up you stay
asleep.
unless you can give up yourself without regret, because you love god, you stay
exactly where you are.
how can you move forward without honesty ? how can you reach up to another level
when you are not done on this one ?
how can you wake up from a dream when you have not understood, recognised or
finished dreaming it? and so how can you ascend ?
it is the self that creates the self, and continues to do so through what it
wishes to see as real, as motivated by its own ideas and fears about life. it
has nothing at all to do with reality, or what is true. most of the emails on
this list actually say nothing at all. saying the same thing over and over and
yet never actually realising the truth is foolish, and leads only to more
illusion.
"to look for reality with the mind is delusion" - bodhidharma
how many on this list really understand what this means. it is not just a quote,
it's not just words in an email, it is the difference between seeing and not
seeing. if you read the truth and yet do not recognise or realise it as true
because your not seeking it, how will you ascend to that truth if you are unable
to know it or recognise as true ? if you speak of ascension everyday and night
and still don't realise anything other than what you what to see, what pleases
you, your "i", then nothing is ever achieved and you stay stuck.
many people it seems use the ascension to grasp at, they cling to it with their
ego, but that is only changing from being a fool who knows nothing about the
ascension or the plan for this reality, into a fool with grand ideas. it does
not matter what proof you think you might have, if you don't seek the truth for
its own sake and not your sense of self's sake, then its empty and worthless.
if you don't understand your are in a delusion how can you find reality ? how
can you find what is real through being attached and believing what is not real?
is there anyone on this list that can comprehend that their "i" their "self"
sees only what it wants to see all the time you believe that is who you really
are ? which has nothing at all to do with reality. and if you cannot be honest
about your lack of vision or understanding and do not even seek it, then how can
you see the truth ? and so reach to it ?
i am not interested in pointing the finger at anyone on this list in particular,
but where in all these emails is the truth that will set you free ? to move out
of this reality you have to be done with it. to move into the next you have to
be ready for it. to be done with it you have to see the truth of it, to be
ready for the next you have to surrender to it, by seeing your own illusions,
and who you are as a personality within them. if you don't seek to see those
things you are not going anywhere but deeper into your own daydreams.
is there anyone here who really and truly wishes through seeking, and eventual
realisation to become harvested ? and are you willing to do what ever it takes
no matter what ? the reason i ask this is because so many people seem to see the
truth as something that makes their "i" happy, and if it does not make their "i"
happy then it can't be true. but that is a fantasy created through fear. what is
true is true, and it often brings much pain to the forefront, and for good
reason. but when people say "love and light" "peace" ect ect, and yet do not
realise the truth, they are lying to themselves, and it is an empty gesture to
others. the truth will, and always does shatter what is not true. how can it be
any other way ?
if come the hour of the harvest or ascension you are lost in your own ideas and
daydreams about what your "i" thinks is true, then you will miss the opportunity
that is being presented to all humanity for this cycle. the little personality
self is not going to ascend. the truth will annihilate it. so, is it not best to
surrender it now of your own volition ? and seek only what is real and true
regardless of your own false imagines, and stop fantasizing about what you want
the ascension to be about and so open yourself in sensitive expectation of the
simple truth.
why waste your breath in endless debate and philosophy with each others
personalities, when it is not who you really are ? why spend time trying learn
through proof and science what is true, when what is true already exists, and
can been seen in a flash through surrender? why teach your self all about the
ascension, and then not give yourself to the truth completely ? it does not
matter what you understand at the point of the harvest times arrival, it is the
level at which you have given yourself to god, to the truth in surrender that
will count.
i suggest everyone on this list take a good hard look at why they are here, and
for whom does their being here really serve ? i would further recommend that you
forget anything your "i" thinks it knows about the ascension, and all other
unrealised ideas and instead surrender to the one truth that knows everything in
fullness and completion already. its time to get serious about seeking what is
really and honestly true ! if you want to be involved in the coming transition.
if you don't, come the appointed hour you will be to full of your "self" to
receive the truth, the light, and love which is who you really are. but you can
only become who you really are to the extent at which empty yourself of who you
are not.
the self is not real, don't get attached to it ! if you seek to please your
self then you will only see your self, and god or divinity will remain a mystery
to you. it would be more accurate to call the ascension "the day of
purification" because that's exactly what it is. it is the purifying of human
delusion into clarity and liberation. there is only god, any ideas of a self
that "knows something" is a self created illusion, and any attachments to that
will in the end cause only more suffering. and will certainly not lead to
ascension.
this whole universe is a illusion, it is a transitory daydream that will end as
surely as it begun, it is temporal, it lives in time, and so will end in time.
so why focus on it ? what is beyond, or behind it is eternal, and that truth can
never die. so surely then that should be the focus of this group ? and awakening
that within its purpose. not some imagination or self orientated desire to be in
a nicer world because you don't much care for this one. suffering exists
wherever delusion does, that means regardless of where you are, or where you
would like to be, or where you image you are going, if you don't seek what is
true there will always be what is not true, and so more suffering.
seek waking up or die in your own dream, those are the only two choices left.
and the one and only true choice that can ever be made with ones freewill as a
separate self, is to surrender it to the truth.
steve
i wanted to say a few things to this group as a whole, i have only been on this
list for a week or two, but was on it a while back.
and have read may of the posts. i have to say i have not seen hardly anyone
seeking the truth since being here. where exactly is it you all imagine you are
ascending to ? and how do you propose to reach it ? because your attachments and
the vibrational signature of many in here, and the emails they send tells me you
are not going anywhere unless you can give up yourself to what is true. you
cannot carry your own ideas of a self, which is a dream into some other ideas of
self, or into another dream. unless you begin to seek to wake up you stay
asleep.
unless you can give up yourself without regret, because you love god, you stay
exactly where you are.
how can you move forward without honesty ? how can you reach up to another level
when you are not done on this one ?
how can you wake up from a dream when you have not understood, recognised or
finished dreaming it? and so how can you ascend ?
it is the self that creates the self, and continues to do so through what it
wishes to see as real, as motivated by its own ideas and fears about life. it
has nothing at all to do with reality, or what is true. most of the emails on
this list actually say nothing at all. saying the same thing over and over and
yet never actually realising the truth is foolish, and leads only to more
illusion.
"to look for reality with the mind is delusion" - bodhidharma
how many on this list really understand what this means. it is not just a quote,
it's not just words in an email, it is the difference between seeing and not
seeing. if you read the truth and yet do not recognise or realise it as true
because your not seeking it, how will you ascend to that truth if you are unable
to know it or recognise as true ? if you speak of ascension everyday and night
and still don't realise anything other than what you what to see, what pleases
you, your "i", then nothing is ever achieved and you stay stuck.
many people it seems use the ascension to grasp at, they cling to it with their
ego, but that is only changing from being a fool who knows nothing about the
ascension or the plan for this reality, into a fool with grand ideas. it does
not matter what proof you think you might have, if you don't seek the truth for
its own sake and not your sense of self's sake, then its empty and worthless.
if you don't understand your are in a delusion how can you find reality ? how
can you find what is real through being attached and believing what is not real?
is there anyone on this list that can comprehend that their "i" their "self"
sees only what it wants to see all the time you believe that is who you really
are ? which has nothing at all to do with reality. and if you cannot be honest
about your lack of vision or understanding and do not even seek it, then how can
you see the truth ? and so reach to it ?
i am not interested in pointing the finger at anyone on this list in particular,
but where in all these emails is the truth that will set you free ? to move out
of this reality you have to be done with it. to move into the next you have to
be ready for it. to be done with it you have to see the truth of it, to be
ready for the next you have to surrender to it, by seeing your own illusions,
and who you are as a personality within them. if you don't seek to see those
things you are not going anywhere but deeper into your own daydreams.
is there anyone here who really and truly wishes through seeking, and eventual
realisation to become harvested ? and are you willing to do what ever it takes
no matter what ? the reason i ask this is because so many people seem to see the
truth as something that makes their "i" happy, and if it does not make their "i"
happy then it can't be true. but that is a fantasy created through fear. what is
true is true, and it often brings much pain to the forefront, and for good
reason. but when people say "love and light" "peace" ect ect, and yet do not
realise the truth, they are lying to themselves, and it is an empty gesture to
others. the truth will, and always does shatter what is not true. how can it be
any other way ?
if come the hour of the harvest or ascension you are lost in your own ideas and
daydreams about what your "i" thinks is true, then you will miss the opportunity
that is being presented to all humanity for this cycle. the little personality
self is not going to ascend. the truth will annihilate it. so, is it not best to
surrender it now of your own volition ? and seek only what is real and true
regardless of your own false imagines, and stop fantasizing about what you want
the ascension to be about and so open yourself in sensitive expectation of the
simple truth.
why waste your breath in endless debate and philosophy with each others
personalities, when it is not who you really are ? why spend time trying learn
through proof and science what is true, when what is true already exists, and
can been seen in a flash through surrender? why teach your self all about the
ascension, and then not give yourself to the truth completely ? it does not
matter what you understand at the point of the harvest times arrival, it is the
level at which you have given yourself to god, to the truth in surrender that
will count.
i suggest everyone on this list take a good hard look at why they are here, and
for whom does their being here really serve ? i would further recommend that you
forget anything your "i" thinks it knows about the ascension, and all other
unrealised ideas and instead surrender to the one truth that knows everything in
fullness and completion already. its time to get serious about seeking what is
really and honestly true ! if you want to be involved in the coming transition.
if you don't, come the appointed hour you will be to full of your "self" to
receive the truth, the light, and love which is who you really are. but you can
only become who you really are to the extent at which empty yourself of who you
are not.
the self is not real, don't get attached to it ! if you seek to please your
self then you will only see your self, and god or divinity will remain a mystery
to you. it would be more accurate to call the ascension "the day of
purification" because that's exactly what it is. it is the purifying of human
delusion into clarity and liberation. there is only god, any ideas of a self
that "knows something" is a self created illusion, and any attachments to that
will in the end cause only more suffering. and will certainly not lead to
ascension.
this whole universe is a illusion, it is a transitory daydream that will end as
surely as it begun, it is temporal, it lives in time, and so will end in time.
so why focus on it ? what is beyond, or behind it is eternal, and that truth can
never die. so surely then that should be the focus of this group ? and awakening
that within its purpose. not some imagination or self orientated desire to be in
a nicer world because you don't much care for this one. suffering exists
wherever delusion does, that means regardless of where you are, or where you
would like to be, or where you image you are going, if you don't seek what is
true there will always be what is not true, and so more suffering.
seek waking up or die in your own dream, those are the only two choices left.
and the one and only true choice that can ever be made with ones freewill as a
separate self, is to surrender it to the truth.
steve