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energie7@...

09-21-2001, 03:13 PM

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align="center">seven densities
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align="left">here is a nice picture that shows just how nature works to create the appearance of a finite form from something that is in-finite and isotropic. a movement occurs in a formless void, and increases in successive stages of density and pressure until a force is generated that is sufficient to hold a pile of dust in a coherent form. a form that is finite in space for a finite duration.
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align="left">on the lower three densities, all that is visible are the artifacts that the process creates. the process that is creating the artifacts is at best, an unworkable theory. on the fourth density, the kinetic interactions that are creating and maintaining the material artifact can all be directly perceived.
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align="center">what would it mean to me to perceive the energetic essence of things?”
i once asked don juan.
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"it would mean that you perceive energy directly,” he replied. “by
separating the social part of perception, you’ll perceive the essence
of everything. whatever we are perceiving is energy, but since we
can’t directly perceive energy, we process our perception to fit a
mold. this mold is the social part of perception, which you have to
separate.”
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why do i have to separate it?”
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because it deliberately reduces the scope of what can be perceived
and makes us believe that the mold into which we fit our perception
is all that exists. i am convinced that for man to survive now, his
perception must change at its social base.”
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what is the social base of perception, don juan?”
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the physical certainty that the world is made of concrete objects.
i call this the social base because a serious and fierce effort is
put out by everybody to guide us to perceive the world the way we
do.”
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how then should we perceive the world?”
align="center">
everything is energy. the whole universe is energy. the social base
of our perception should be the physical certainty that energy is
all there is. a mighty effort should be made to guide us to perceive
energy as energy. then we would have both alternatives at our fingertips.”
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09-21-2001, 06:00 PM

very nicely stated...applause and kuddos to you

--- energie7@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=gl6g88fehrdnxhyfnt3w9uxdwfcboivjbzgcno qdfacxu3dgj1pnpqtdklewa919jsfyzxhbcqgc6w) wrote:
>
>
>
> seven densities
>
> here is a nice picture that shows just how nature
> works to create the
> appearance of a finite form from something that is
> in-finite and
> isotropic. a movement occurs in a formless void, and
> increases in
> successive stages of density and pressure until a
> force is generated that
> is sufficient to hold a pile of dust in a coherent
> form. a form that is
> finite in space for a finite duration.
>
> on the lower three densities, all that is visible
> are the artifacts that
> the process creates. the process that is creating
> the artifacts is at
> best, an unworkable theory. on the fourth density,
> the kinetic
> interactions that are creating and maintaining the
> material artifact can
> all be directly perceived.
>
>
> what would it mean to me to perceive the energetic
> essence of things??
> i once asked don juan.
>
> "it would mean that you perceive energy directly,?
> he replied. ?by
> separating the social part of perception, you?ll
> perceive the essence
> of everything. whatever we are perceiving is energy,
> but since we
> can?t directly perceive energy, we process our
> perception to fit a
> mold. this mold is the social part of perception,
> which you have to
> separate.?
>
> why do i have to separate it??
>
> because it deliberately reduces the scope of what
> can be perceived
> and makes us believe that the mold into which we fit
> our perception
> is all that exists. i am convinced that for man to
> survive now, his
> perception must change at its social base.?
>
> what is the social base of perception, don juan??
>
> the physical certainty that the world is made of
> concrete objects.
> i call this the social base because a serious and
> fierce effort is
> put out by everybody to guide us to perceive the
> world the way we
> do.?
>
> how then should we perceive the world??
>
> everything is energy. the whole universe is energy.
> the social base
> of our perception should be the physical certainty
> that energy is
> all there is. a mighty effort should be made to
> guide us to perceive
> energy as energy. then we would have both
> alternatives at our
> fingertips.?
>
> carlos casteneda

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09-21-2001, 08:42 PM

i agree with steve... this was cool.

- david

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subject: [asc2k] seven densities

seven densities

here is a nice picture that shows just how nature works to create the
appearance of a finite form from something that is in-finite and isotropic.
a movement occurs in a formless void, and increases in successive stages of
density and pressure until a force is generated that is sufficient to hold a
pile of dust in a coherent form. a form that is finite in space for a finite
duration.

on the lower three densities, all that is visible are the artifacts that the
process creates. the process that is creating the artifacts is at best, an
unworkable theory. on the fourth density, the kinetic interactions that are
creating and maintaining the material artifact can all be directly
perceived.

what would it mean to me to perceive the energetic essence of things??
i once asked don juan.

"it would mean that you perceive energy directly,? he replied. ?by
separating the social part of perception, you?ll perceive the essence
of everything. whatever we are perceiving is energy, but since we
can?t directly perceive energy, we process our perception to fit a
mold. this mold is the social part of perception, which you have to
separate.?

why do i have to separate it??

because it deliberately reduces the scope of what can be perceived
and makes us believe that the mold into which we fit our perception
is all that exists. i am convinced that for man to survive now, his
perception must change at its social base.?

what is the social base of perception, don juan??

the physical certainty that the world is made of concrete objects.
i call this the social base because a serious and fierce effort is
put out by everybody to guide us to perceive the world the way we
do.?

how then should we perceive the world??

everything is energy. the whole universe is energy. the social base
of our perception should be the physical certainty that energy is
all there is. a mighty effort should be made to guide us to perceive
energy as energy. then we would have both alternatives at our fingertips.?

carlos casteneda

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sol72us@...

09-21-2001, 09:32 PM

pardon me, i can't access your picture.
please post it in the files section.

i'm curious to learn about the relationship of the
7 densities with the octave. intuitively, i
would imagine it combines with the all nothingness
to create an octave, but it's only a guess.

pat

--- in asc2k@y..., energie7@j... wrote:
>
>
>
> seven densities
>
> here is a nice picture that shows just how nature works to create
the
> appearance of a finite form from something that is in-finite and
> isotropic. a movement occurs in a formless void, and increases in
> successive stages of density and pressure until a force is
generated that
> is sufficient to hold a pile of dust in a coherent form. a form
that is
> finite in space for a finite duration.
>
> on the lower three densities, all that is visible are the artifacts
that
> the process creates. the process that is creating the artifacts is
at
> best, an unworkable theory. on the fourth density, the kinetic
> interactions that are creating and maintaining the material
artifact can
> all be directly perceived.
>
>
> what would it mean to me to perceive the energetic essence of
things?"
> i once asked don juan.
>
> "it would mean that you perceive energy directly," he replied. "by
> separating the social part of perception, you'll perceive the
essence
> of everything. whatever we are perceiving is energy, but since we
> can't directly perceive energy, we process our perception to fit a
> mold. this mold is the social part of perception, which you have to
> separate."
>
> why do i have to separate it?"
>
> because it deliberately reduces the scope of what can be perceived
> and makes us believe that the mold into which we fit our perception
> is all that exists. i am convinced that for man to survive now, his
> perception must change at its social base."
>
> what is the social base of perception, don juan?"
>
> the physical certainty that the world is made of concrete objects.
> i call this the social base because a serious and fierce effort is
> put out by everybody to guide us to perceive the world the way we
> do."
>
> how then should we perceive the world?"
>
> everything is energy. the whole universe is energy. the social base
> of our perception should be the physical certainty that energy is
> all there is. a mighty effort should be made to guide us to perceive
> energy as energy. then we would have both alternatives at our
> fingertips."
>
> carlos casteneda

David Wilcock

09-22-2001, 09:29 AM

<table>
><tt>pardon me, i can't access your picture.
please post it in the files section.

i'm curious to learn about the relationship of the
7 densities with the octave. intuitively, i
would imagine it combines with the all nothingness
to create an octave, but it's only a guess.

[david wilcock]don't want to sound like a broken record here, but read the book:</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>http://ascension2000.com/shift-of-the-ages</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>i think i've already doneas good a job as can be done on explaining this! :)</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>there's also a chapter about it in ciii as well:</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>http://ascension2000.com/convergenceiii</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>peace be with you -</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>- david</tt>
><tt>
pat

--- in asc2k@y..., energie7@j... wrote:
>
>
>
> seven densities
>
> here is a nice picture that shows just how nature works to create
the
> appearance of a finite form from something that is in-finite and
> isotropic. a movement occurs in a formless void, and increases in
> successive stages of density and pressure until a force is
generated that
> is sufficient to hold a pile of dust in a coherent form. a form
that is
> finite in space for a finite duration.
>
> on the lower three densities, all that is visible are the artifacts
that
> the process creates. the process that is creating the artifacts is
at
> best, an unworkable theory. on the fourth density, the kinetic
> interactions that are creating and maintaining the material
artifact can
> all be directly perceived.
>
>
> what would it mean to me to perceive the energetic essence of
things?"
> i once asked don juan.
>
> "it would mean that you perceive energy directly," he replied. "by
> separating the social part of perception, you'll perceive the
essence
> of everything. whatever we are perceiving is energy, but since we
> can't directly perceive energy, we process our perception to fit a
> mold. this mold is the social part of perception, which you have to
> separate."
>
> why do i have to separate it?"
>
> because it deliberately reduces the scope of what can be perceived
> and makes us believe that the mold into which we fit our perception
> is all that exists. i am convinced that for man to survive now, his
> perception must change at its social base."
>
> what is the social base of perception, don juan?"
>
> the physical certainty that the world is made of concrete objects.
> i call this the social base because a serious and fierce effort is
> put out by everybody to guide us to perceive the world the way we
> do."
>
> how then should we perceive the world?"
>
> everything is energy. the whole universe is energy. the social base
> of our perception should be the physical certainty that energy is
> all there is. a mighty effort should be made to guide us to perceive
> energy as energy. then we would have both alternatives at our
> fingertips."
>
> carlos casteneda

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energie7@...

09-23-2001, 09:44 AM

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>
>i'm curious to learn about the relationship of the
7 densities with the octave. intuitively, i
would imagine it combines with the all nothingness
to create an octave, but it's only a guess.

pat

>hi pat,
>
>david has lots of information about the seven densities and the harmonics of creation there on his web site. that is a good a place to start.
>
>it is important to recongise though, that there is no intrinsic value in 'information' of any kind. the only kind of information that is really worth anything, is information we are ready, willing and able to do something with. it is only in the 'do'-ing that useful information can be separated out of the flood of useless information that is available these days. it is only in the 'do'-ing that information becomes practical knowledge.
>
>

Rod

09-24-2001, 05:04 AM

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subject: [asc2k] seven densities

i have a very personal response to the don juan statement that i was never
aware of.

25 years ago i looked at the finite origin of infinite form and came to the
sequential perspective. what i discovered i have interspersed into the quote
at appropriate places.

you will have to read through the entire post to get the picture.

rod johnson

seven densities

here is a nice picture that shows just how nature works to create the
appearance of a finite form from something that is in-finite and isotropic.

it can be mathematically handled and quantified as an isotropic vector
system.

a movement occurs in a formless void, and increases in successive stages of
density and pressure until a force is generated that is sufficient to hold a
pile of dust in a coherent form. a form that is finite in space for a finite
duration.

the movement is an 3-space illusion and the force that is generated is the
potential of a natural discrepancy between universes.

on the lower three densities, all that is visible are the artifacts that the
process creates.

very much so!

the process that is creating the artifacts is at best, an unworkable theory.
on the fourth density, the kinetic interactions that are creating and
maintaining the material artifact can all be directly perceived.

yes, if we know what we are looking for.

what would it mean to me to perceive the energetic essence of things?? i
once asked don juan.

"it would mean that you perceive energy directly,? he replied. ?by
separating the social part of perception, you?ll perceive the essence of
everything. whatever we are perceiving is energy, but since we can?t
directly perceive energy, we process our perception to fit a mold. this mold
is the social part of perception, which you have to
separate.?

that mold is the present paradigm.

why do i have to separate it??

because it deliberately reduces the scope of what can be perceived and makes
us believe that the mold into which we fit our perception is all that
exists.

an only theory as presently held by modern science instructions contradicts
the definition of theory.

i am convinced that for man to survive now, his perception must change at
its social base.?

our future reality will depend on an accurate model of the essential
sub-molecular forms of both matter and space.

what is the social base of perception, don juan??

the physical certainty that the world is made of concrete objects. i call
this the social base because a serious and fierce effort is put out by
everybody to guide us to perceive the world the way we do.?

yes, the popular paradigm for particles as the basis of matter and space
which is intellectually enforced by both institutional science and its
media.

how then should we perceive the world??

everything is energy. the whole universe is energy. the social base of our
perception should be the physical certainty that energy is all there is.

this statement is the fundamental basis of the sequential model.

a mighty effort should be made to guide us to perceive
energy as energy. then we would have both alternatives at our fingertips.?

carlos casteneda

i am presently the author of some viable examples of those alternatives. i
invite all people to adsorb and judge my perceptions of them. i do so
without any requirements other than an open examination of my concepts. they
are extremely simple but i will not say that they are easy to understand.

rod johnson

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energie7@...

09-25-2001, 12:54 PM

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>
>i am presently the author of some viable examples of those alternatives. i
invite all people to adsorb and judge my perceptions of them. i do so
without any requirements other than an open examination of my concepts. they
are extremely simple but i will not say that they are easy to understand.

>hi rod,
>
>that was a good illucidation of those concepts i put forth there.
>
>i would like to hear about some of your viable examples. 'extremely simple' is a good thing to keep in mind.
>

Rod

09-26-2001, 12:15 PM

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>hi pat and e7,
>
>i respond below to you each from my scientific point of view,
>
>rod
<blockquote>
align="left" class="outlookmessageheader" dir="ltr">-----original message-----
from: energie7@juno.com [mailto:energie7@juno.com]
sent: sunday, september 23, 2001 9:44 am
to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
subject: re: [asc2k] re: seven densities


>
>i'm curious to learn about the relationship of the
7 densities with the octave. intuitively, i would imagine it
>combines with the all nothingness
to create an octave, but it's
only a guess.

pat

[rodj]if 7 densities and octave references are a metaphoric use with respects to the bio-essence of spiritual practicei.e. charkas, then the relationship would be a lengthy correlation between the meanings of density and those of octave.
>
>there is a geometry of meaning. it is pure information from which all of these references spring.
>
>boiled down to geometric relationships octave implies an eight phase progression of elements within a system. bethe matter period of elements or any other kind of elementof a system, an octave of 8 elements expresses 7 nodes. you might say "spaces in between." these nodes can have meaning also. in the case of periods of matter elements the nodes progress aselectron valence.
>
>i could deal with this in terms of physical science. it would take several paragraphs to show how the octave and its nodes are an intrinsic aspect of fundamental physical existence. but know, as david has illustrated in convergence iii, these 7-8 relationships are the harmonic basis of all existence. the aspects of metaphysical reality are rooted in the fundamentals of physical reality. so, it is not surprising that our spiritual motifs are the same.
>
>hence, i have the opinion that peoplewho see pure science asnot spiritual are protecting themselves from thinking on a level at which they can both comprehend and apply basic knowledge (information) to their spiritual wondering. that, i believe, is the 'do'-ing that e7 mentions below.
>
>chew on this with lots of good humor happiness,
>
>rod
>
>hi pat,
>
>david has lots of information about the seven densities and the harmonics of creation there on his web site. that is a good a place to start.
>
>it is important to recongise though, that there is no intrinsic value in 'information' of any kind. the only kind of information that is really worth anything, is information we are ready, willing and able to do something with. it is only in the 'do'-ing that useful information can be separated out of the flood of useless information that is available these days. it is only in the 'do'-ing that information becomes practical knowledge.
>
>

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sol72us@...

09-26-2001, 10:09 PM

rod,

thank you for the reply.
i'm working on my homework; unfortunately i'm a slow learner.
i tread a crooked, quagmire path that leads me into all sorts of
things that i don't understand. since you were kind enough to reply,
i would like to share some of my curiosities, and maybe you could
shed some more light if you like.

first, the seti messages exhibit a wonderful symmetry. i beleive the
author of neffer's temple has honest intent but personal conflict
exemplified by his secrecy. these are in the file section, under
scarab-o (inspired on 8-1-01, my day of email abstinance in honor of
0, new life=scarab.) the patterns remind me of oscillations. the
author decoded a couple of the messages. i'm curious to learn of
their true translation.

second, i have fallen in love with the i ching. my impression is that
there is a beautiful mathematical translation to it involving nested
octaves corresponding to the trigrams. has this already been done?
i'm curious to explore this possibility.

third, this gurdjieff work relates the law of 3, with the law of 7, to
octaves and dna and the periodic table. unfortunately, these dogs are
tough to dig up. okay i need to do my homework, read david's
convergenceiii, and this should bump start me out of stagnation.

my impression is that these three things are related. i have other
curiosities, but these are the ones that drove my question.
i believe the answers are simple, yet hard to understand.

most gratefully,
pat