R R
09-21-2001, 03:14 PM
at 01:15 pm 9/21/01 -0400, david wilcock wrote:
>seriously... what are you trying to get by all this?
>failing to use capital
>letters and taking on several different names all
over >again, then having
>your personalities agree with each other as if to
>suggest consensus... i'm
>getting all sorts of private emails from people who
>know what's going on here...
>
>let us heathens all sink together; we don't need you
>to 'save' us and i certainly don't need your advice
on >my character flaws.
>
>really. i'm not going to play hydra with you simon. i
>consider this to be very unbecoming of a master
>teacher.
>
>- david
it's not at all like you think it is, david, and
neither am i a master teacher.
i am once only on your list and i am there for people
with eyes to see and ears to hear. as usual, you are
hasty in your conclusions. i have also received
personal emails from people on your list telling me
that they cannot understand why people can't
comprehend what is being said by ron or see what is
being offered.
these are very serious times and we are all presented
with a serious and blessed opportunity, yet few can
hear the call to get serious and attain right attitude
before the oncoming onslaught. that doesn't mean,
however, that we should stop giving the call, however
many times is necessary before the harvest time.
by expressing the following: "seriously... what are
you trying to get by all this?", you demonstrate what
path you are on and that you do not understand the
path of love that speaks the truth and which is not
about getting. come jday you will understand - or
rather see - much more than you do now. but then it
may be too late to actually receive the christine
grace, david, and you will have to wait for another
cycle. however, today it is not yet too late!
can you, therefore, understand my motives?
look to your heart and see the truth of what i am
saying above, if you dare and if you have the courage
to be honest.
you see, i cannot let a lie go unchallenged, david.
part of the inevitable function of a lover of truth is
to explode delusions (a major part today actually!),
to therefore shatter illusions and so let in the light
of truth for those with hearts to understand. the
lover of truth must do this, you see, because it is
the great delusion that prevents ecstasy and
liberation. of course, this is very upsetting for most
people in their attachment to the 'known' and
comfortable. but who said that the truth was ever
comfortable to the deluded ego-self?
maybe ron's messages are just not about/for you,
david, or anyone else who does not love the truth. yet
maybe there are fertile souls here on asc2k who can
court the light of truth and so benefit, right here on
your very own list. and maybe you would not even know
what was happening under yor own nose, for seeds
planted today may sprout tomorrow.
it is apparent that certain truths that challenge your
mindset and belief system upset you, david, but if
spiritual aspirants think that walking the path is
going to make them feel good and more happy, then they
should think again, for the true path is not for the
faint of heart or for those who are in it for self
gain: "my ascension, my healing, my teaching
ministry", etc., etc. to such people the truth always
burns, and their separative reactions always
demonstrate their duality, their egotism, their
ignorance and foolishness. but it does not have to be
that way.
i do what i am spirited to do, david, without recourse
to the reactions or opinions of ignorance. surely you
understand that by now.
the fact is there is an awful lot of delusion, pride
and plain ignorance among the posts on your list
(harsh but simply true), yet you choose to allow it
all as long as people applaud you or your work, which
actually has nothing to do with the true path of
holiness leading to ascension, yet you advertise your
work as being about ascension. shame on you, david,
blind leader of the blind.
again, there is no charge here or accusation or blame,
i am simply being honest, and others may benefit.
can you handle that, david, another person's simple
honesty? even if it means that to consider what they
say might implore you to eventually have to entirely
review all your pet theories and attachments and
ultimately relinquish them all, every single one, and
admit to all your students that you got it wrong? are
you spiritual enough to give up all your personal
investments in your own little work in order to just
receive god's grace and so, in ascending at the
harvest time (as indeed you imply that you will),
actually be an example to others instead of just an
unenlightened teacher of fools?
again, i know that these words may seem harsh,
unfriendly and censuring, but look deeper if you can,
asc2k list-members, and, david, you had it coming,
mate, for you have a very large ego.
what you teach as being ascension, david, is a lie.
you lack true knowledge, you are bereft of gnosis, you
have not contacted living wisdom (which is why you
lean on books such as 'the ra material' for your
spiritual authority and upon good people like scott
mandelker to justify your own work and beliefs, while
all the time you sense and so know something is
missing). thus so you can only lead people astray in
your unenlightened convictions. this is the simple
truth, and i do not wish to fight with you or jeremy
about it, david. so i will leave soon if you like, and
if you do not throw me off first for fear of the truth
further spoling your personal investments and plans.
"fools argue [and, due to fear or pride, expel
reasonable men that challenge their status quo], wise
men discuss."
now i will give you scientific proof of why your
understanding and teaching is false with regard to
ascension.
it is evident, david, that you not realise that in
order to ascend one has to live a holy life, like
jesus did, for example, sacrificing everything of the
self, even one's precious beliefs, life's work, books
and scientific opinions, thus so dying to all that is
of self. the one who attains the goal of ascension
dies as an ego-self, but in a very glorious way.
everyone else dies in the common way. the lower
vehicles of consciousness (the personality-self)
slowly dissolve after corporeal death and so also die
in the usual way, and later, if the soul has truly
finished with the majority of its lessons in 3d (the
vast majority of human beings come jday will not have
done so due to the fact that they do not have gnosis,
or right understanding), the karmic bundle will
reincarnate only as low as 4d for a while in order to
continue its learning in suffering in that substratum
of duality before being required under the law to once
again incarnate in 3d - possibly at the end of a world
cycle like this present one on earth - in order to
attempt to attain the goal once again, the goal that
could be attained in this cycle if people just got
right attitude and right understanding. but this does
not mean that you, the david personality will be
promoted to 4d or 5d! that is not how it works at all,
david. it is a part of the great illusion and is
leading so many fools away from the simple truth and
today's wondrous opportunity. and you are partaking in
this travesty by teaching others before you have even
understood some of the most fundamental divine
mysteries.
you see, david, what you as well as most spiritual
hopefuls do not seem to be able to accept or
understand is that in order to truly ascend, to attain
the goal of mankind, the crown of all unenlightened
life, one requires to do so from 3d. ascension - that
is, the final liberation from all delusion - must be
achieved while in a physical body. this is why the
buddha told his monks not to waste their lives and to
appreciate the grand opportunity that they had in
being physically incarnate. the buddha also explained
that even the angels (dakinis/dakas) require to take
physical incarnation on earth in order to attain the
goal because they could not do so from the higher
spheres. (hence the physical incarnation of many
angelic essences and starseeds here on earth today).
now, because he lacks a material body, man can never,
while dwelling in the subtle spheres, achieve the
complete process of transfiguration (ascension), since
this process requires the transmutation of all his
vehicles, right down to the physical. this is a
requirement of the law of karma. in order for man to
regain possession of a complete set of vehicles, he
must, of course, return to the visible part of
duality, i.e., to the physical 3d plane.
this is gnosis, and if this were not so, then the
perfect demonstration by the gnostic/essene, jesus*,
of the way and the attainment of the goal would not
have been given in the physical world, would it? it
would have been demonstrated only in the higher
densities, e.g., 4d or 5th. but since jesus was the
perfect prototypical man who came to show the way back
to god, he was required to incarnate into a physical
body. "you know that all my life was one great drama
for the sons of men; a pattern for the sons of men. i
lived to show the possibilities of man. what i have
done all men can do, and what i am all men shall be."
- jesus.
* the piscean passion play on earth was a
demonstration for many galactic civilisations, by the
way, not only earth-humanity. and the aquarian passion
play on earth - now underway - will even more widely
benefit our galactic neighbourhood.
finally, if ra did not speak of the above gnosis
(which never changes for everything is under the same
eternal law of one), then maybe he/they did not
understand it themselves or simply were not asked the
right questions by don elkins. whatever the case, the
ra material is not a complete teaching, and so is
misleading. there are far higher teachings available
in this world (whatever scott mandelker might say,
david). try 'the aquarian gospel of jesus the christ'
for one, and feel the difference in vibration in that
book to that in the ra material or any of your own
writings.
those with eyes to see, let them see; those with ears
to hear, let them hear; and those with hearts to
understand, let them prepare themselves wisely to
receive the grace of an age in these times and so
return to that place that was prepared for them from
the beginning of the world, the time of the fall from
paradise.
>seriously... what are you trying to get by all this?
>failing to use capital
>letters and taking on several different names all
over >again, then having
>your personalities agree with each other as if to
>suggest consensus... i'm
>getting all sorts of private emails from people who
>know what's going on here...
>
>let us heathens all sink together; we don't need you
>to 'save' us and i certainly don't need your advice
on >my character flaws.
>
>really. i'm not going to play hydra with you simon. i
>consider this to be very unbecoming of a master
>teacher.
>
>- david
it's not at all like you think it is, david, and
neither am i a master teacher.
i am once only on your list and i am there for people
with eyes to see and ears to hear. as usual, you are
hasty in your conclusions. i have also received
personal emails from people on your list telling me
that they cannot understand why people can't
comprehend what is being said by ron or see what is
being offered.
these are very serious times and we are all presented
with a serious and blessed opportunity, yet few can
hear the call to get serious and attain right attitude
before the oncoming onslaught. that doesn't mean,
however, that we should stop giving the call, however
many times is necessary before the harvest time.
by expressing the following: "seriously... what are
you trying to get by all this?", you demonstrate what
path you are on and that you do not understand the
path of love that speaks the truth and which is not
about getting. come jday you will understand - or
rather see - much more than you do now. but then it
may be too late to actually receive the christine
grace, david, and you will have to wait for another
cycle. however, today it is not yet too late!
can you, therefore, understand my motives?
look to your heart and see the truth of what i am
saying above, if you dare and if you have the courage
to be honest.
you see, i cannot let a lie go unchallenged, david.
part of the inevitable function of a lover of truth is
to explode delusions (a major part today actually!),
to therefore shatter illusions and so let in the light
of truth for those with hearts to understand. the
lover of truth must do this, you see, because it is
the great delusion that prevents ecstasy and
liberation. of course, this is very upsetting for most
people in their attachment to the 'known' and
comfortable. but who said that the truth was ever
comfortable to the deluded ego-self?
maybe ron's messages are just not about/for you,
david, or anyone else who does not love the truth. yet
maybe there are fertile souls here on asc2k who can
court the light of truth and so benefit, right here on
your very own list. and maybe you would not even know
what was happening under yor own nose, for seeds
planted today may sprout tomorrow.
it is apparent that certain truths that challenge your
mindset and belief system upset you, david, but if
spiritual aspirants think that walking the path is
going to make them feel good and more happy, then they
should think again, for the true path is not for the
faint of heart or for those who are in it for self
gain: "my ascension, my healing, my teaching
ministry", etc., etc. to such people the truth always
burns, and their separative reactions always
demonstrate their duality, their egotism, their
ignorance and foolishness. but it does not have to be
that way.
i do what i am spirited to do, david, without recourse
to the reactions or opinions of ignorance. surely you
understand that by now.
the fact is there is an awful lot of delusion, pride
and plain ignorance among the posts on your list
(harsh but simply true), yet you choose to allow it
all as long as people applaud you or your work, which
actually has nothing to do with the true path of
holiness leading to ascension, yet you advertise your
work as being about ascension. shame on you, david,
blind leader of the blind.
again, there is no charge here or accusation or blame,
i am simply being honest, and others may benefit.
can you handle that, david, another person's simple
honesty? even if it means that to consider what they
say might implore you to eventually have to entirely
review all your pet theories and attachments and
ultimately relinquish them all, every single one, and
admit to all your students that you got it wrong? are
you spiritual enough to give up all your personal
investments in your own little work in order to just
receive god's grace and so, in ascending at the
harvest time (as indeed you imply that you will),
actually be an example to others instead of just an
unenlightened teacher of fools?
again, i know that these words may seem harsh,
unfriendly and censuring, but look deeper if you can,
asc2k list-members, and, david, you had it coming,
mate, for you have a very large ego.
what you teach as being ascension, david, is a lie.
you lack true knowledge, you are bereft of gnosis, you
have not contacted living wisdom (which is why you
lean on books such as 'the ra material' for your
spiritual authority and upon good people like scott
mandelker to justify your own work and beliefs, while
all the time you sense and so know something is
missing). thus so you can only lead people astray in
your unenlightened convictions. this is the simple
truth, and i do not wish to fight with you or jeremy
about it, david. so i will leave soon if you like, and
if you do not throw me off first for fear of the truth
further spoling your personal investments and plans.
"fools argue [and, due to fear or pride, expel
reasonable men that challenge their status quo], wise
men discuss."
now i will give you scientific proof of why your
understanding and teaching is false with regard to
ascension.
it is evident, david, that you not realise that in
order to ascend one has to live a holy life, like
jesus did, for example, sacrificing everything of the
self, even one's precious beliefs, life's work, books
and scientific opinions, thus so dying to all that is
of self. the one who attains the goal of ascension
dies as an ego-self, but in a very glorious way.
everyone else dies in the common way. the lower
vehicles of consciousness (the personality-self)
slowly dissolve after corporeal death and so also die
in the usual way, and later, if the soul has truly
finished with the majority of its lessons in 3d (the
vast majority of human beings come jday will not have
done so due to the fact that they do not have gnosis,
or right understanding), the karmic bundle will
reincarnate only as low as 4d for a while in order to
continue its learning in suffering in that substratum
of duality before being required under the law to once
again incarnate in 3d - possibly at the end of a world
cycle like this present one on earth - in order to
attempt to attain the goal once again, the goal that
could be attained in this cycle if people just got
right attitude and right understanding. but this does
not mean that you, the david personality will be
promoted to 4d or 5d! that is not how it works at all,
david. it is a part of the great illusion and is
leading so many fools away from the simple truth and
today's wondrous opportunity. and you are partaking in
this travesty by teaching others before you have even
understood some of the most fundamental divine
mysteries.
you see, david, what you as well as most spiritual
hopefuls do not seem to be able to accept or
understand is that in order to truly ascend, to attain
the goal of mankind, the crown of all unenlightened
life, one requires to do so from 3d. ascension - that
is, the final liberation from all delusion - must be
achieved while in a physical body. this is why the
buddha told his monks not to waste their lives and to
appreciate the grand opportunity that they had in
being physically incarnate. the buddha also explained
that even the angels (dakinis/dakas) require to take
physical incarnation on earth in order to attain the
goal because they could not do so from the higher
spheres. (hence the physical incarnation of many
angelic essences and starseeds here on earth today).
now, because he lacks a material body, man can never,
while dwelling in the subtle spheres, achieve the
complete process of transfiguration (ascension), since
this process requires the transmutation of all his
vehicles, right down to the physical. this is a
requirement of the law of karma. in order for man to
regain possession of a complete set of vehicles, he
must, of course, return to the visible part of
duality, i.e., to the physical 3d plane.
this is gnosis, and if this were not so, then the
perfect demonstration by the gnostic/essene, jesus*,
of the way and the attainment of the goal would not
have been given in the physical world, would it? it
would have been demonstrated only in the higher
densities, e.g., 4d or 5th. but since jesus was the
perfect prototypical man who came to show the way back
to god, he was required to incarnate into a physical
body. "you know that all my life was one great drama
for the sons of men; a pattern for the sons of men. i
lived to show the possibilities of man. what i have
done all men can do, and what i am all men shall be."
- jesus.
* the piscean passion play on earth was a
demonstration for many galactic civilisations, by the
way, not only earth-humanity. and the aquarian passion
play on earth - now underway - will even more widely
benefit our galactic neighbourhood.
finally, if ra did not speak of the above gnosis
(which never changes for everything is under the same
eternal law of one), then maybe he/they did not
understand it themselves or simply were not asked the
right questions by don elkins. whatever the case, the
ra material is not a complete teaching, and so is
misleading. there are far higher teachings available
in this world (whatever scott mandelker might say,
david). try 'the aquarian gospel of jesus the christ'
for one, and feel the difference in vibration in that
book to that in the ra material or any of your own
writings.
those with eyes to see, let them see; those with ears
to hear, let them hear; and those with hearts to
understand, let them prepare themselves wisely to
receive the grace of an age in these times and so
return to that place that was prepared for them from
the beginning of the world, the time of the fall from
paradise.