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korga@...

12-17-2000, 09:07 AM

this is by no means to dismiss the ra material, but to change the angle a bit
and concern ourselves with
what can be learned from more recent history. who are the ascended among this
era of humanity? what can be
learned from them, and how does it relate to the concept of ascension and
harvest which david proposes? by
example it can be said that jesus ascended, how was he able to achieve this?
interesting about jesus is at his
birth he was visited by the wise men from the east. it should also be
remembered that jesus spent quite a bit of
time in the east before his big return when he began speaking his philosophies.
what is it about the east? well
if you look to the east, there are tales of ascended masters throughout asian
culture most prominently in china
with the taoist immortals who exist his historical figures for many. sufi
wisdom speaks much of the paths to an
ascension. the bodhidarma was said to have been following the path to ascension
(though in that incarnation he
did not make it). the history of the dahli lamas and indeed tibetan buddhism
has a lot to do with ascension.
many african cultures also attribute much to spiritual cultivation and
refinement toward what can be considered
'ascension.'
taking all of this into account what does ascension mean to us? what metaphor
do we shape and how does
it compare to those that have gone before?

incarnations
korga

p.s. here's a question (okay 2): if there were no on-coming harvest would you
honestly be prepared to cultivate
mind, body and soul in preparation for ascension? was there ever a time when
there wasn't an on-coming
harvest to inspire human souls to pursue cultivation? refine your metaphor.

David Wilcock

12-17-2000, 01:35 PM

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>now this is actually a good question.
>
>dr. mandelker has a ph.d. in east-west psychology and spent many years living in ashrams, touring through the "hot spots" and seeking enlightenment. he is about as much of an expert on these systems of philosophy as was thomas merton before him, truly a rare breed. and in his estimation, the law of one series has fused all of these teachings together so clearly and cleanly that it is "the single most important source of written teaching [he] has ever encountered." as in - the best parts of all teachings that got these guys where they are can all be found in the law of one series.
>
>i know i must sound like a broken record, but really it's quite simple. ra gave us the blueprints for how each of these souls got where they got. it involves clearing the blockages at each chakra level, which also corresponds to that density and the karmic lessons for that density, until you get to a point where you have some degree of balanced flow between all of them. once this is open to at least a minimal degree, you have access to the violet-ray center which can allow you to perform ascended feats. i'm not there yet though i can tap into the akashics, heal people, effect electronics and get telekinetic effects on smaller scales, usually spontaneously. and the psychic function is certainly not lacking. 
>
>now you get into the finesse of how do you face yourself on every level of being: forgiveness of self, acceptance of self, direction of will, becoming the creator. it all comes back to self-acceptance and forgiveness, and "service to others becomes automatic at this point." best way to figure out where the hotspots are? dreamwork. if you're not taking notes on the messages from your higher self then you're not going to find out the problem anywhere near as quickly, if at all. that's why i took the time to give everyone that checklist. if you remember a dream and run it through the checklist, you will be able to decode it, at least partially, if you follow the formula. but don't email me and ask me to do it for you! this is your gig, and it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!and you've gotta put the grr in swinger, baby!
>
>most clients of mine need to hear messages that go all the way back to very early in their life, and they have gone a lifetime without figuring it out. why do you think they've got their astrology, their parents, their trends in life? think that was all accidental or coincidental? not. i simply tie together their stuff with mom, dad, relationships, jobs, prosperity attitude, body esteem, diet and health and voila! suddenly it all fits together. my dream nails it, the reading comes in to explain it. most of the time it's so obvious i really don't even need to do the dream or reading. it's always the victim thing. whichever parent victimized you the most shows you which aspect of yourself feels more disconnected from god. and you'll discover that you're still making the same mistakes.
>
>talk to mom if she's still around. forgive, accept, direct, become. love yourself, nurture yourself. projection-wise, what comes out in this forum shows the issues black and white. (dr. perls: "look to what the person accuses you of saying, doing or being, and there you find the real subconscious issues with self that they haven't faced and are still upset about.") someone wasn't available enough. 
>
>the reason why i'm here and doing what i'm doing is that at every stage of the battle, i have faced myself, accepted, integrated and gone up the ladder. lost 85 pounds, quit getting high, quit meat / sugar / fried food / dairy / white flour / et cetera, exercised, stopped hating myself, stopped worrying, meditated, studied, gained wisdom, directed creativity, practiced compassion and service to others, made a commitment to dedicate my life to healing this planet in the way i knew best. that's all that these other guys have done as well, and everybody reaches their own notch. there's a good reading early along in the archives on my site about jesus, saying that even though there was a plan, he had to make conscious choices every step of the way to become that person.
>
>there's no shortcut - no etherium gold powder under the tongue that will blast you into a higher level of being. get on your ****-wading boots and prepare to unclog the cesspool of the monkey mind. i'm serious. slow down your thoughts, get control of yourself, stop fluttering like a moth in front of a lightbulb, never giving yourself a breather from chatter-chatter-chatter in the head. how is this done? forgive, accept, direct, become. simple equation. knowledge is easy, application is freakin' hard. 
>
>you don't walk the path of the master by making one choice, one day - you have to go back through your entire life, "defrag" every time where you didn't make the optimal choices for your own highest good, relive those times in the dream plane, "do the right thing," make the better choice, heal yourself, see how it works in your life now, integrate the information, put your knowledge into application, keep on working. 
>
>it's not something easy - it is a constant process. the more you do this, the more your life will be filled with joy, synchronicity, blessings, love, wisdom, compassion, intelligence. i am so much smarter than i was before i went on this diet and self-transformation path; there's a significant gain in iq points, not to mention simple popularity because everybody wants to feel your light. yes, you make tons of sacrifices that the ego doesn't like. you give up all your addictions, habits, dietetic hangups, anger - "there is no such thing as an emotionally charged situation. there are only two choices- to be of service or to withdraw from the situation." i still blow that one sometimes.
>
>the tools for how to do all this are in every reading on the site! question is: are you ready to do the homework on self instead of looking for the magic panacea, the "one thing" that's suddenly going to make it all fit together?
>
>what feelings of limitation hold you back from being able to accept our immediate future transformation? did god abandon you somewhere along the line? is it "too fantastic" to be true? too "perfect?"do i need to beat you over the head with science to convince you that this is really going to happen? well, that's-a what i'm-a gonna do in the next book, if i haven't already done enough. 
>
>if you're not studying the law of one or are not inclined to study it, (and the study guide works best in conjunction with the books themselves, it is not a stand-alone,) then you're not really going to understand why we keep wanting to divert the flow of conversation back that way. all of your questions are answered quite well therein. 
>
>even the hard-nosed skeptic will have a very hard time denying the case that there is to be some form of energetic shift on our planet in the near future after reading c-iii. essentially, you cannot deny that it is happening now, because it fits so perfectly with the physics. all that you can do is to quibble about what it will actually "do" to each human being. and i feel that ra has given us the best answer.
>
>seriously, i'm too busy to keep doing this - but this was another warm-up! 
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
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<tt> this is by no means to dismiss the ra material, but to change the angle a bit and concern ourselves with
what can be learned from more recent history. who are the ascended among this era of humanity? what can be
learned from them, and how does it relate to the concept of ascension and harvest which david proposes? by
example it can be said that jesus ascended, how was he able to achieve this? interesting about jesus is at his
birth he was visited by the wise men from the east. it should also be remembered that jesus spent quite a bit of
time in the east before his big return when he began speaking his philosophies. what is it about the east? well
if you look to the east, there are tales of ascended masters throughout asian culture most prominently in china
with the taoist immortals who exist his historical figures for many. sufi wisdom speaks much of the paths to an
ascension. the bodhidarma was said to have been following the path to ascension (though in that incarnation he
did not make it). the history of the dahli lamas and indeed tibetan buddhism has a lot to do with ascension.
many african cultures also attribute much to spiritual cultivation and refinement toward what can be considered
'ascension.'
taking all of this into account what does ascension mean to us? what metaphor do we shape and how does
it compare to those that have gone before?

incarnations
korga

p.s. here's a question (okay 2): if there were no on-coming harvest would you honestly be prepared to cultivate
mind, body and soul in preparation for ascension? was there ever a time when there wasn't an on-coming
harvest to inspire human souls to pursue cultivation? refine your metaphor.

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korga@...

12-19-2000, 08:45 AM

david wrote:
> seriously, i'm too busy to keep doing this - but this was another warm-up!

indeed you have been posting quite a bit lately david. i hope that doesn't mean
we will have to wait any longer
for ciii. hehehehe. in that sense i don't want to keep engaging you on these
points but (maybe someone else
will take up the reigns so you can get back to work....)

>
> dr. mandelker has a ph.d. in east-west psychology and spent many years living
in ashrams, touring through the "hot spots" and seeking enlightenment. he is
about as much of an expert on these systems of philosophy as was thomas merton
before him, truly a rare breed. and in his estimation, the law of one series has
fused all of these teachings together so clearly and cleanly that it is "the
single most important source of written teaching [he] has ever encountered." as
in - the best parts of all teachings that got these guys where they are can all
be found in the law of one series.

this is not surprising but what does it mean? what are the 'best parts' of
these teachings? and what about those
points which these teaching touch on which are not addressed by the law of one?
are these the 'bad parts'? that
the law of one encompasses all of this, is that added merit to the law of one
teaching or the teachings which it
encompases? these questions are fasisously (sp) serious.

>
> i know i must sound like a broken record, but really it's quite simple. ra
gave us the blueprints for how each of these souls got where they got. it
involves clearing the blockages at each chakra level, which also corresponds to
that density and the karmic lessons for that density, until you get to a point
where you have some degree of balanced flow between all of them. once this is
open to at least a minimal degree, you have access to the violet-ray center
which can allow you to perform ascended feats. i'm not there yet though i can
tap into the akashics, heal people, effect electronics and get telekinetic
effects on smaller scales, usually spontaneously. and the psychic function is
certainly not lacking.

please don't take this as an attack but i find it interesting that ra can
proclaim that which the majority of these
souls adamently proclaim words cannot express. what you say sounds good and
logical and any other number of
words which can describe it, but i'd be willing to bet if this was explained to
an ascended master as what they did
to ascend, they would partake in the heartiest of laughter.

after this point david, i'm not sure if you are speaking directly to me or to
the forum as a whole.

>
> now you get into the finesse of how do you face yourself on every level of
being: forgiveness of self, acceptance of self, direction of will, becoming the
creator. it all comes back to self-acceptance and forgiveness, and "service to
others becomes automatic at this point." best way to figure out where the
hotspots are? dreamwork. if you're not taking notes on the messages from your
higher self then you're not going to find out the problem anywhere near as
quickly, if at all. that's why i took the time to give everyone that checklist.
if you remember a dream and run it through the checklist, you will be able to
decode it, at least partially, if you follow the formula. but don't email me and
ask me to do it for you! this is your gig, and it don't mean a thing if it ain't
got that swing! and you've gotta put the grr in swinger, baby!
>
> most clients of mine need to hear messages that go all the way back to very
early in their life, and they have gone a lifetime without figuring it out. why
do you think they've got their astrology, their parents, their trends in life?
think that was all accidental or coincidental? not. i simply tie together their
stuff with mom, dad, relationships, jobs, prosperity attitude, body esteem, diet
and health and voila! suddenly it all fits together. my dream nails it, the
reading comes in to explain it. most of the time it's so obvious i really don't
even need to do the dream or reading. it's always the victim thing. whichever
parent victimized you the most shows you which aspect of yourself feels more
disconnected from god. and you'll discover that you're still making the same
mistakes.
>
> talk to mom if she's still around. forgive, accept, direct, become. love
yourself, nurture yourself. projection-wise, what comes out in this forum shows
the issues black and white. (dr. perls: "look to what the person accuses you of
saying, doing or being, and there you find the real subconscious issues with
self that they haven't faced and are still upset about.") someone wasn't
available enough.
>
> the reason why i'm here and doing what i'm doing is that at every stage of the
battle, i have faced myself, accepted, integrated and gone up the ladder. lost
85 pounds, quit getting high, quit meat / sugar / fried food / dairy / white
flour / et cetera, exercised, stopped hating myself, stopped worrying,
meditated, studied, gained wisdom, directed creativity, practiced compassion and
service to others, made a commitment to dedicate my life to healing this planet
in the way i knew best. that's all that these other guys have done as well, and
everybody reaches their own notch. there's a good reading early along in the
archives on my site about jesus, saying that even though there was a plan, he
had to make conscious choices every step of the way to become that person.
>
> there's no shortcut - no etherium gold powder under the tongue that will blast
you into a higher level of being. get on your ****-wading boots and prepare to
unclog the cesspool of the monkey mind. i'm serious. slow down your thoughts,
get control of yourself, stop fluttering like a moth in front of a lightbulb,
never giving yourself a breather from chatter-chatter-chatter in the head. how
is this done? forgive, accept, direct, become. simple equation. knowledge is
easy, application is freakin' hard.
>
> you don't walk the path of the master by making one choice, one day - you have
to go back through your entire life, "defrag" every time where you didn't make
the optimal choices for your own highest good, relive those times in the dream
plane, "do the right thing," make the better choice, heal yourself, see how it
works in your life now, integrate the information, put your knowledge into
application, keep on working.
>
> it's not something easy - it is a constant process. the more you do this, the
more your life will be filled with joy, synchronicity, blessings, love, wisdom,
compassion, intelligence. i am so much smarter than i was before i went on this
diet and self-transformation path; there's a significant gain in iq points, not
to mention simple popularity because everybody wants to feel your light. yes,
you make tons of sacrifices that the ego doesn't like. you give up all your
addictions, habits, dietetic hangups, anger - "there is no such thing as an
emotionally charged situation. there are only two choices - to be of service or
to withdraw from the situation." i still blow that one sometimes.
>
> the tools for how to do all this are in every reading on the site! question
is: are you ready to do the homework on self instead of looking for the magic
panacea, the "one thing" that's suddenly going to make it all fit together?
>
> what feelings of limitation hold you back from being able to accept our
immediate future transformation? did god abandon you somewhere along the line?
is it "too fantastic" to be true? too "perfect?" do i need to beat you over the
head with science to convince you that this is really going to happen? well,
that's-a what i'm-a gonna do in the next book, if i haven't already done enough.
>
> if you're not studying the law of one or are not inclined to study it, (and
the study guide works best in conjunction with the books themselves, it is not a
stand-alone,) then you're not really going to understand why we keep wanting to
divert the flow of conversation back that way. all of your questions are
answered quite well therein.
>
> even the hard-nosed skeptic will have a very hard time denying the case that
there is to be some form of energetic shift on our planet in the near future
after reading c-iii. essentially, you cannot deny that it is happening now,
because it fits so perfectly with the physics. all that you can do is to quibble
about what it will actually "do" to each human being. and i feel that ra has
given us the best answer.
>

okay lets talk metaphor's here because what you detail here is absoultely
beautiful and really does get at the
heart of the topic of ascension, but it is all but only a metaphor. the same
goes for all religious texts, all the ra
material, all the seth material, all surgeon general warnings, and generally
speaking all things. that you can
share this metaphor with others in such an eloquent manner is beautiful. that
it has done so much to improve
the lives of yourself and others is equally beautiful. but if you or anyone
else regards it as more than a
metaphor, then for all the beauty that is entailed within it, it has limited
your progress.

what is the purpose of these metaphors? the diamond sutra states (watch out
i've started going to sources),
"all things are caused by me - that i may attain liberation nirvana"
(paraphrased). let me explain this a bit
further. as said by the buddha 'caused by me' does not mean me as an individual
nature but as entailing the
whole of everything, without ego or individual identity. as such the cause and
the effect are the same. there is
no doer separate from what is done. you are the metaphor you create. as you
refine that metaphor you refine
yourself. refining that metaphor is broadening it to encompass all
causes/effects, or all things, which in turn
broadens you to encompass all things until the ego is removed and one rejoins
all things, thereby attaining
liberation or ascending. at the same time the diamond sutra would be careful to
express that this is not the way.
the way is unreal. this is merely called the way.

okay let me go one step further. ra is said to be a sixth density being. as
such ra is still able to interact with
us here in the third density as individuals. but ra is not ra, ra is merely
called ra. the sixth density is not the
sixth density it is merely called the sixth density. what is my point? where
while you may say that ra and the
ra material capture the best parts of all the previous ascended souls, by no
means has ra or the material ra
presents shown that ra has achieved any wisdom beyond them. taking the diamond
sutra alone, that ra still
relates in an ego manner (no i am not saying ra is egotistical) shows his
limits. he professes this as being only
a sixth density being which we think of as higher than us and thus the metaphor
presented (like most other
metaphors of the kind) amaze us with what they entail. but fundamentally ra and
the law of one are not ra or
the law of one they are merely called such. they are but the metaphors.

the primary danger (this is not a scare tactic) of metaphors is the human
tendency to reify them. this is derrived
from our desires to know. we yearn in some sense (even the most humble of us)
for some sense of certainty
and search the metaphor for truth, turning those things which please us about
the metaphor into reality. what
reification does however is begin slowing the metaphor down until it becomes
real. explained better, the truth is
fluid and ever changing. metaphors flow with the truth and as such we are able
to learn from them. but if we reify
the metaphors, they potentially can become real, solid, still and thus no longer
abide in the motion of truth.

i wrote:
> p.s. here's a question (okay 2): if there were no on-coming harvest would
you honestly be prepared to cultivate
> mind, body and soul in preparation for ascension? was there ever a time
when there wasn't an on-coming
> harvest to inspire human souls to pursue cultivation? refine your metaphor.

this is similar to a favorite question for me to pose to christians - could you
follow the teachings of christ if there
were no jesus? and the follow-up - because the teachings of christ exist with
or without jesus.

in the seven taoist masters (with regard to the second question), the queen of
all things proclaims that she will
share the nectre of the sacred fruit on a specific day and that this fruit would
not bloom again for ten thousand
years (again i am paraphrasing). tasting this fruit is the crowning of
immortality, but in order to taste one must
have already ascended prior to the set date. is this not similar to the coming
of a harvest in which one must walk
the ascension path to reap the benefits of the harvest? would not the coming of
this event be as critical to a
taoist at the time as the on-coming harvest is to you?

okay i've said enough for now, but there is more. i'm about to go on vacation
for a month so....

incarnations
korga