Is Sex boring in 4d?

[bjorn_nitmou]

from quo:

within fourth density, the casual sexual expression is not simply
common but is as much a part of courtesy as shaking hands is within
your density. it is as if when entities meet, they have sex. that is
the way that you would describe it within your density. the potential
difference between the two entities is expressed naturally and without
any shame, removal of clothing, or the exchange of bodily fluids. it is
an energy exchange. the children produced of this energy exchange are
those opportunities for souls who wish to learn from the two entities
which exchanged energy in such a way as to make an opportunity. the
bodies are more refined. sexuality does not have those physicalities of
third density. and yet there is the possibility for enormous love. and
when it is seen between two entities that there is this unique
potential for teaching and learning together, a mating is formed.

[smileyjaiy]

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wrote:
> from quo:
>
> within fourth density, the casual sexual expression is not simply
> common but is as much a part of courtesy as shaking hands is within
> your density. it is as if when entities meet, they have sex..... and
>yet there is the possibility for enormous love.

doesn't sound boring to me...something to look forward too actually...
jd

[Shawn Bernal]

here we are in this now, and still we project and wonder what life will be like
there. i work so hard to stay in the now, as this is all there is (which is so
much more than anything my mind had ever imagined). my 2 cents...

smileyjaiy <jdillon@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=i5wqbja5qtuy8mp30ybn-m9og8766olappbqpynb2zzualov2ry0prwisiqavzzpilo0zzq fewmjmd4)> wrote:--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=eitvfm3knglseap_xcz7byjweodnfpkgj373yh bsdy9iujdzd0m8xdbowaj7hwx0c-sil_33bzrq8sralbq), "bjorn_nitmou"
<bjorn_nitmou@y...>
wrote:
> from quo:
>
> within fourth density, the casual sexual expression is not simply
> common but is as much a part of courtesy as shaking hands is within
> your density. it is as if when entities meet, they have sex..... and
>yet there is the possibility for enormous love.

doesn't sound boring to me...something to look forward too actually...
jd







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[Matthew Merrill-Wilson]

who cares what sex is going to be like in fourth
density? i haven't had sex in third density yet! (at
least in this lifetime)

my two cents: stay focused on the now. if you must
wonder, wonder about how you can make your day better.


-matthew



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steady, lad!
there's still six years to go....

love. neil
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who cares what sex is going to be like in fourth
density? i haven't had sex in third density yet! (at
least in this lifetime)



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[Bjorn Nitmou]

isnt it 7? 2005 + 7 would be may 6 2012. we need to
get to 12-21-2012 right?
well enyway, heres another stupoid q, in 4d are we all
the same gender? i dont know folks that hand shaking
analogy is pretty crazy stuff for a person in 3d to
handle. quo would not make an analogy like that
haphazourdly so you really need to imagine what in the
heck is going on??

also what about free will in 4d? you make an
incredibly important decision in 3d to advance in a
postive way. but what if you get to 4d and get
involved in politics and everyone starts reading your
mind and you start schemeing and getting upset? what
happens then? if sex is like a handshake what happens
when someone throwns a punch?

i absolutley hate specualting about 4d - but its not
against the "rules" casue we are given so many tidbits
by these channelers.......


--- neil haddon <wayshower@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=purbclesphw7orbfhte390gzqxlopanvga5wty t_djtfvsu53rf9olv_f-h9xkznpc05brjiwokk)> wrote:
> steady, lad!
> there's still six years to go....
>
> love. neil
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>
>
> who cares what sex is going to be like in fourth
> density? i haven't had sex in third density yet!
> (at
> least in this lifetime)
>
>
>
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[Bjorn Nitmou]

once again, if quo would even comment on sex in 4d
then there must be something for us to gain in 3d from
that info.....
so, if sex is like a handshake, its time to rethink
about your issues with sex in 3d currently.
__________


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wrote:
> who cares what sex is going to be like in fourth
> density? i haven't had sex in third density yet! (at
> least in this lifetime)
>
> my two cents: stay focused on the now. if you must
> wonder, wonder about how you can make your day
> better.
>
>
> -matthew
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[Muckerheide, James]

and is there an association with the young generation who may be "4d-ready"
(teens, early 20s) who are engaging in casual intimacy in the context of
"hooking up."

unsettling? jim

from: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=6xjq74hk77v7kunc2n0czmyr_im71y1-eowhdlowpgezerfier1n_goeuttqlcedudhksblkstcbjf9i) on behalf of bjorn nitmou

isnt it 7? 2005 + 7 would be may 6 2012. we need to
get to 12-21-2012 right?
well enyway, heres another stupoid q, in 4d are we all
the same gender? i dont know folks that hand shaking
analogy is pretty crazy stuff for a person in 3d to
handle. quo would not make an analogy like that
haphazourdly so you really need to imagine what in the
heck is going on??

also what about free will in 4d?

[wubby gump]

guys, guys, guys, guys........

....this is really simple. please visit (or revisit)
the film "cocoon." (the first one, which was done by
our pal "opey" (a.k.a. ron howard) & watch the pool
scene with steve guttenberg and you'll get the idea.

(again, i do not like making film references as most
everything in hollywood is so far-fetched &
"distorted" from reality, it's not worth bringing up,
but there are always exceptions)

as for free will......nothing is encroached......it is
a mutual exchange. if it is not mutual, it doesn't
happen, it's that simple. remember, you don't need to
eat in 4d, you don't use your physical body the way
you do here & now. if you learn discipline enough, you
won't even need a spaceship to go anywhere, you just
think about it & poof! you're there.......

....for reference to this & a description of those
involved, visit http://llresearch.org & read the law
of one, book iii, or, more specifically, ra, session
#51, may 13, 1981



--- "muckerheide, james" <jimm@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=o8alt_gjyit2daayqoyqupgymzoi7bhi6my6oz dvfqkbn297fqtsgzt7qww71rrgbja)> wrote:
> and is there an association with the young
> generation who may be "4d-ready"
> (teens, early 20s) who are engaging in casual
> intimacy in the context of
> "hooking up."
>
> unsettling? jim
>
> from: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=v7zfsb7_ljehsjywukobbxhrb_habkutfidcpw nhn80if7zz3qwl3eheh-wvmvyny6xgcuiyup3cend5) on behalf of bjorn
> nitmou
>
> isnt it 7? 2005 + 7 would be may 6 2012. we need
> to
> get to 12-21-2012 right?
> well enyway, heres another stupoid q, in 4d are we
> all
> the same gender? i dont know folks that hand
> shaking
> analogy is pretty crazy stuff for a person in 3d to
> handle. quo would not make an analogy like that
> haphazourdly so you really need to imagine what in
> the
> heck is going on??
>
> also what about free will in 4d?
>
>
>



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[Chris Hamilton]

interesting thread guys:) the q'uo quote, i don't believe, was meant to
imply "casual sex", and here is why. as the loo discusses many times the
qualities of 4d (and what it is not book 1 session 16), it says that actual
3d physical properties (physical bodies) are not part of the 4d scene.

in book 1 as ra spoke of the pyramids, they talk about the difference
between our current quest to understand and what the understanding will be
as we move toward a social memory complex, which is the basis for 4d
positive.."the progress is normally from the understanding you now seek to a
dimension of understanding which is governed by the laws of love, and which
seeks the laws of light."

the point being that the rules will be much different in 4d, as those in the
positive will strive for service to others, and energy transfer will be one
form of catalyst. iow, casual sex in 3d isn't the same thing as energy
transfer in 4d. 3d is physical, and the sexual encounter can create all
sorts of different reactions (our wonderful propensity to judge:). but, in
4d positive, the energy transfer is out of love to another entity and to be
of service to the other. without actual physical bodies, the contact between
entities is just plain different than 3d sex.

in book 2, ra states : "energy transfers only take place in fourth, fifth,
and sixth densities. these are still of what you would call a polarized
nature. however, due to the ability of these densities to see the harmonies
between individuals, these entities choose those mates which are harmonious,
thus allowing constant transfer of energy and the propagation of the body
complexes which each density uses."

this might elude to bjorn's question of whether there is only one gender in
4d...i would say that gender may not be an appropriate word here as it is
again another 3d word. not being physical, the terms male and female may be
the wrong words for the entities who partake of energy transfers, but there
are still polarities to differentiate entities from each other, perhaps
subtle vibrations of light with each entity. gender may be an obsolete idea
in 4th :)

so, yes, i do believe there are energy transfers in the other densities, but
that they are different than our 3d sex in which our outer physical bodies
partake. ra says that 4d is "not of heavy chemical vehicles for body
complex activities" bk 1 session 16. i think 4d will be a very interesting
experience, whatever it is really like :) chris


> and is there an association with the young generation who may be
> "4d-ready"
> (teens, early 20s) who are engaging in casual intimacy in the context of
> "hooking up."
>
> unsettling? jim
>
> from: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=krgzbw0-rce5j53gb5_i1kdfa2dtk-shfoczxk4xtn8gurwgjimyxr4h8g-88fzabzz25-i1mea9qaozpsq) on behalf of bjorn nitmou
>
> isnt it 7? 2005 + 7 would be may 6 2012. we need to
> get to 12-21-2012 right?
> well enyway, heres another stupoid q, in 4d are we all
> the same gender?

[vuy_iswa]

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wrote:
> from quo:
>
> within fourth density, the casual sexual expression is not simply
> common but is as much a part of courtesy as shaking hands is
within
> your density. it is as if when entities meet, they have sex. that
is
> the way that you would describe it within your density. the
potential
> difference between the two entities is expressed naturally and
without
> any shame, removal of clothing, or the exchange of bodily fluids.
it is
> an energy exchange.


hi all,

i agree with 'wubbygump', that sex in 4d sounds pretty wonderful.
perhaps when bjorn mentions the "boring" aspect, it is the lack of
physicality that is being intepreted as potentially boring. of
course that is based on 3d thinking, and it is bordering on futile
to transpose 3d thinking into speculations about 4d. to play on the
word "boring", there certainly isn't any boring going on in the type
of energy exchange described by the principle of quo!:) the energy
exchange described sounds exquisite to me and can only occur in an
open hearted manner. 4d is the denisty of love - no betrayal,
false "i love yous" and desires for possession, or to be "cared
for"/possessed by another etc that many that enter romance or
marriage can fall prey to.

i love the idea of being totally exposed regarding the emotions;
seems to simplify matters don't you think bjorn? note that those of
quo say:

it is as if when entities meet, they have sex. that is
> the way that you would describe it within your density

so if you enjoy sex in 3d imagine how ecstatic you might be just
meeting/"shaking hands" in 4d?. i take the analogy to mean that as
all is exposed because none can hide anything, that all aspects of
feeling and potential, including the sexual are open for all to see.
its like an extension of that old saying, "wearing your heart on
your sleeve", except that it is your whole beingness that is open.

you could argue that sex in 3d is boring.i can't speak for the male
of our species, but from my feminine perspective, sex is more than a
physical act. my question to myself is what is the nature/signature
of the energy exchange being experienced, or potentially
experienced? i have come to the conclusion that sex without a deep
heart connection is just not worth experiencing; it hurts my spirit,
being an acute reminder that the love i seek is not there. i would
rather be celibate and consciously channel my inuitive reserves to
loving all. it is in this way that i hope to be awake enough to
notice when a similarly resonating seeker of love wants to "shake my
hand" ;)

love,

v

[Bjorn Nitmou]

-- vuy_iswa <vuy_iswa@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=oct5sxickc28g-jn4p45qtqdkfjt-kyfv1bj8teulzl7dctytcokas70ijea02qd-6qegin5jarci48)> wrote:
> i love the idea of being totally exposed regarding
> the emotions;
> seems to simplify matters don't you think bjorn?
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yes agree very much with you. i can almost assume
that concepts such as "cheating" on your mate will be
outdated. i guess you cant get mad at your wife for
shaking hands with someone else.

one of the complexities in 3d sex is the perceived
"specialness" of the relationship and the idea of
chastity. will there be any "virgins" in 4d, anyone
too young for hand shaking? all these concepts may
fall away in 4d thus making things more simple.



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<bjorn_nitmou@y...> wrote:

> one of the complexities in 3d sex is the perceived
> "specialness" of the relationship and the idea of
> chastity. will there be any "virgins" in 4d, anyone
> too young for hand shaking? all these concepts may
> fall away in 4d thus making things more simple.
>
>
>
hello, i am a new member. skimmed over the study guide for "a
law of one" i thought i read that we would have to die or
transition to make it into the 4d. so by 2012 i will be
a. relocated on another 3d world. b. have no physical body to
have sex with? c. have a completely new 4d physical body here
on earth to continue on.

everyone is excited about the earth moving to a higher
density/demension but the idea that we physicaly die has not
been getting much press. am i understanding this right?

so...if i have no physical body it seems like the whole idea of sex
is just not valid. we need a new word maybe.
best regards
rh

[jon]

hi v.

thanks for sharing that for us. i agree with 'wubbygump' as well.
i don't know if i can speak for the male of the human species
either. hahaha. but i can at least speak for the feminine aspect of
my male incarnation, now. i've just come to the realization that
i've always been pretty sensitive to the 'energy transfers,'
whatever way, shape, or form they seem to pass in.

you said:
"i have come to the conclusion that sex without a deep heart
connection is just not worth experiencing; it hurts my spirit, being
an acute reminder that the love i seek is not there."

me:
i absolutely loved this comment because it reminds me of what it was
that originally struck me so many years ago now.
it reminds me of why i chose celibacy for so long. actually i could
not imagine sex in 3d without this heart connection, as it's never
been in my reality really. going on 28, i've used that energy to
channel my 'reserves' creatively through art and right-brain uses.
i still don't feel any need for 3d sex if that absolute heart
connection and emotional openness is not there.

i've also come across someone who referred to the situation the
other way around as well, 'shaking hands' as like a sexual energy
transfer, or heart-to-heart transfer. it's as if that deep
connection is transferred from the heart chakras through the minor
hand chakras from one to another, and the feeling is of intense love
and openness. but i guess you'd have to have a pretty developed
sensitivity to feel this. just my guess, as i am already pretty
sensitive to that stuff anyway.

it also seems like to me that if we are to get to this stage in our
society, everyone would have to cross that wall of fear about being
completely open in 3d regardint the emotions. isn't this when the
most profound transfers take place, when all is dropped and laid
open?


i'm just curious, but is this reference to 4d energy transfer from
the wanderer's handbook? and if so, which pages (i have the book)?

thanks, v and everyone, for your comments. what interesting
perspectives on these topics. haha^^


jon




--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bo8ig_eojqc8qpt9ygo8rn7zubmlnl3nhwvu0o q6vawfrewp3ortubwuw15cwnq3cngowmppcnxnz9bhdtf3), "vuy_iswa" <vuy_iswa@y...> wrote:
> hi all,
>
> i agree with 'wubbygump', that sex in 4d sounds pretty wonderful.
> perhaps when bjorn mentions the "boring" aspect, it is the lack of
> physicality that is being intepreted as potentially boring. of
> course that is based on 3d thinking, and it is bordering on futile
> to transpose 3d thinking into speculations about 4d. to play on
the
> word "boring", there certainly isn't any boring going on in the
type
> of energy exchange described by the principle of quo!:) the energy
> exchange described sounds exquisite to me and can only occur in an
> open hearted manner. 4d is the denisty of love - no betrayal,
> false "i love yous" and desires for possession, or to be "cared
> for"/possessed by another etc that many that enter romance or
> marriage can fall prey to.
>
> i love the idea of being totally exposed regarding the emotions;
> seems to simplify matters don't you think bjorn? note that those
of
> quo say:
>
> it is as if when entities meet, they have sex. that is
> > the way that you would describe it within your density
>
> so if you enjoy sex in 3d imagine how ecstatic you might be just
> meeting/"shaking hands" in 4d?. i take the analogy to mean that as
> all is exposed because none can hide anything, that all aspects of
> feeling and potential, including the sexual are open for all to
see.
> its like an extension of that old saying, "wearing your heart on
> your sleeve", except that it is your whole beingness that is open.
>
> you could argue that sex in 3d is boring.i can't speak for the
male
> of our species, but from my feminine perspective, sex is more than
a
> physical act. my question to myself is what is the
nature/signature
> of the energy exchange being experienced, or potentially
> experienced? i have come to the conclusion that sex without a deep
> heart connection is just not worth experiencing; it hurts my
spirit,
> being an acute reminder that the love i seek is not there. i would
> rather be celibate and consciously channel my inuitive reserves to
> loving all. it is in this way that i hope to be awake enough to
> notice when a similarly resonating seeker of love wants to "shake
my
> hand" ;)
>
> love,
>
> v