Mirror?

[Charlie]

"Chris Hamilton" wrote:

> Chris: Perhaps it is because whenever DW has responded with anger, it hits
> him full-force back in the face:). He is just a very good mirror, and when
> he produces anger, it incites the same in the other person :) He has chosen
> not to continue projecting anger and to not make a big deal out of someone
> else's projections and opinions...which works much better for him
> anyway...the anger can make him, literally, ill.

Surely wouldn't that make the other person the mirror? If David got angry
and the other person reflected that back, I don't see how David could be the
mirror to that anger, seeing as it originated with him.

How does this mirroring thing work anyway?

Ra states: "The disciplined personality, when faced with an other-self, has
all centers balanced according to its unique balance. Thusly the other-self
looks in a mirror seeing its self."

Now for example if I go up to one of the most unevolved big local guys where
I live and get angry with him I am most likely going to end up in hospital.
Now is this unevolved MBSC mirroring back to me my anger? Conversely, if I
had the opportunity to have met Buddha and got angry with him, I can't
imagine he would react and get angry back. So can someone please explain how
this mirroring works? Is it the true self that is getting mirrored? Or is it
like a real mirror and the reverse is what is seen in the mirror? e.g. Put
in anger and you get compassion back, put in fear and love comes back, etc,
etc.

Aloha
Charlie

[Chris Hamilton]

From: "Charlie" <charlie@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=Uy0jz0Sx452GWwoNvIAtUbejzCKfzQuaxGkv59 hIx0iS50OH_7V5g2ou-EN9HZ-PD4zD15__4cz1fiSq)>
How does this mirroring thing work anyway?

> Ra states: "The disciplined personality, when faced with an other-self,
> has all centers balanced according to its unique balance. Thusly the
> other-self looks in a mirror seeing its self."

Chris: Super question Charlie. First the Ra quote above speaks of the
diciplined personality...How many of us can claim to be constantly balanced
and disciplined:) . Hey, I get mad and say something that hurts the other
person, and, of course they are going to fire back in self-defense :). Maybe
it's not precisely a mirror, but a cause and effect :)

> Now for example if I go up to one of the most unevolved big local guys
> where I live and get angry with him I am most likely going to end up in
> hospital.

Chris: Good example, cuz we would both get our butts whooped :)

> Now is this unevolved MBSC mirroring back to me my anger? Conversely, if I
> had the opportunity to have met Buddha and got angry with him, I can't
> imagine he would react and get angry back. So can someone please explain
> how this mirroring works?

Chris: Because what the other person perceives as your mirror comes into
play. There are 2 selves, each seeing what they want and bouncing it back to
the other self. The 3rd density critter thinks they are looking at a
separate self, so finds the need to argue and 'prove' they are the right
self :) When you get to the point where it doesn't matter to get your own
point across, then I think you have become that disciplined personality. I'm
certainly not there :) Wish I was, but I constantly work on that point.

Is it the true self that is getting mirrored? Or is it
> like a real mirror and the reverse is what is seen in the mirror? e.g. Put
> in anger and you get compassion back, put in fear and love comes back,
> etc, etc.

Chris: Hmm. In the disciplined personality, the self will understand how to
push somebody's buttons psychologically to get the response they want...my
opinion only! In other words, someone like Buddha would say "I will find a
way to turn this dude's anger around", because he is disciplined. But some
guy in a bar is just going to haul off and clobber you :) Pure ego, no
discipline. Good stuff Charlie:)

[smileyjaiy]

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>
> "Chris Hamilton" wrote:
>
> > Chris: Perhaps it is because whenever DW has responded with anger,
it hits
> > him full-force back in the face:). He is just a very good mirror,
and when
> > he produces anger, it incites the same in the other person :) He
has chosen
> > not to continue projecting anger and to not make a big deal out of
someone
> > else's projections and opinions...which works much better for him
> > anyway...the anger can make him, literally, ill.
>
> Surely wouldn't that make the other person the mirror? If David got
angry
> and the other person reflected that back, I don't see how David
could be the
> mirror to that anger, seeing as it originated with him.
>
> How does this mirroring thing work anyway?
>
> Ra states: "The disciplined personality, when faced with an other-
self, has
> all centers balanced according to its unique balance. Thusly the
other-self
> looks in a mirror seeing its self."
>
> Now for example if I go up to one of the most unevolved big local
guys where
> I live and get angry with him I am most likely going to end up in
hospital.
> Now is this unevolved MBSC mirroring back to me my anger?

No...I think he would mirroring our lack of exercising wisdom

Conversely, if I
> had the opportunity to have met Buddha and got angry with him, I
can't
> imagine he would react and get angry back. So can someone please
explain how
> this mirroring works?

I think the Buddha would mirror your anger, but would send it out as
love...the mirror would be ourselves...do we want to stay angry or
shall we adopt love....

Is it the true self that is getting mirrored? Or is it
> like a real mirror and the reverse is what is seen in the mirror? e.
g. Put
> in anger and you get compassion back, put in fear and love comes
back, etc,
> etc.

It's a wonderfull aspect of ourselves to make intellectual inquiry and
discern meaning but when we go to far and long in trying to get to the
'bottom of it' we inevitably keep ourselves away from it, like a
mirror.

>
> Aloha
> Charlie

[lealdragon]

This seems to be a big one for me lately. I don't mind when people
disagree with me, but it really bothers me when they don't understand
the point I am trying to make. Especially when they completely twist
it around and misinterpret my 'well-intentioned' words!

So then they would think I was trying to convince them of something,
when in actuality all I wanted to do was just make sure I had
communicated clearly. I would not give up until I was satisfied that,
even if they disagreed with me, at least they were disagreeing with
what I really said and not some twisted version of what they thought I
said.

Ah, but this has gotten me into trouble! My persistance in wanting to
be understood has caused discord.

What a novel idea, that it doesn't matter whether I get my point
across! I shall have to ponder that one.


> ... When you get to the point where it doesn't matter to get your own
> point across, then I think you have become that disciplined
personality. I'm
> certainly not there :) Wish I was, but I constantly work on that point.
>

[tobbe jansson]

Hello!

A mirror is what it is.. ALLWAYS!!
You NEVER leave it.. you ALLWAYS "bring" it with you!

I do LOVE you all you know!
TorbjÃÃÂà ‚‚ƒÃ ‚¶rn.




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[c bean]

> Chris: Super question Charlie. First the Ra quote
> above speaks of the
> diciplined personality...How many of us can claim to
> be constantly balanced
> and disciplined:) . Hey, I get mad and say something
> that hurts the other
> person, and, of course they are going to fire back
> in self-defense :). Maybe
> it's not precisely a mirror, but a cause and effect
> :)
Chill: A truly balanced and disciplined individuals
serve their polarity (STS,STO) with little or no
interaction with other selves in this density. When we
choose of our own free will to provide service through
interaction with other selves in 3d, we will naturally
become unbalanced through the Law of Balance. By
paying attention to the "mirror" effects of this
imbalance we can guage the effect our actions have on
us. When we take on too much, the energy drain
provides wonderful opportunities for negative entities
to gain access to our mind/body/spirit complex in such
a deceptive way that we blame ourselves for the
behavior. All we can do is forgive ourselves and
otherselves and pay closer attention to what component
within the mind/body/spirit complex is weakened
allowing access to the negs. I've been in a ten month
power lesson on this subject. The magnitude of what I
choose to take on has produced many moments of
reflection like "where did that come from?". The
result of this introspection when done correctly
reveals areas within my m/b/s complex that I need to
focus on. Sometimes its nutrition, other times its
exposure to unbalancing information, or simply not
enough dedication to the spirit. Its entirely an
individual and complicated journey.

> Chris: Hmm. In the disciplined personality, the self
> will understand how to
> push somebody's buttons psychologically to get the
> response they want...my
> opinion only! In other words, someone like Buddha
> would say "I will find a
> way to turn this dude's anger around", because he is
> disciplined.

Chill: True disciplined personality knows exactly how
to hurt the otherself and unless physically threatened
will choose no action. Buddha would more likely ask
why are you angry when its all temporary anyway.
Turning ones anger around on themself is effectively a
hurtful action which does not comply enlightened
understanding. I did not understand the magnitude of
catalyst headed my way when I chose to attempt the
conquer evil with good lesson. Many times I"ve
wondered "what the heck was I thinking." On the other
hand the choice has provided a large amount of
experience in a short period of time which although
unbalancing/painful,Etc. has brought with it much
awareness. I have noticed that when I'm slack in the
effort to gain understanding or forgive that the
catalyst gets internalized in my body. The LoO has
shed light on why not fighting back made my body ache
as well as every other aspect of the journey. The more
that I strive to understand the catalysts and myself
the less physical stress as well as the fewer
occasions that I have to ask for forgiveness.

The concept of otherselves being a mirror is difficult
to grasp but valuable to know. As we study ourself in
that mirror and accept what its trying to tell us, we
make real progress by just being aware of its
existance. The image in the mirror begins to change
with the gain in awareness and difficult people no
longer wish to interact with you. Its really an
amazing process although it may take a lifetime to
master. The mirror also may tell us when its time to
take a break from interaction to recharge. I don't
know but I'm going to the beach next week to find out.

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[Charlie]

"smileyjaiy" wrote:

> It's a wonderfull aspect of ourselves to make intellectual inquiry and
> discern meaning but when we go to far and long in trying to get to the
> 'bottom of it' we inevitably keep ourselves away from it, like a
> mirror.

Hi Smileyjaiy,

I don't know what makes you think this.

Take for example the tremendous effort that was undertaken to bring us the
Ra Material, focused intellectual inquiry and discernment of meaning. The
incredible sacrifice of these beautiful people, Jim, Don and Carla to reveal
this information while being besieged by what other traditions call demonic
forces. I for one am grateful LL Research didn't think they were going "too
far" when they dedicated their lives and I mean that quite literally, to the
pursuit of truth and service.

Just read the bit about Jesus in the Ra books, "The entity you call Jesus
was galvanized by this experience and began a lifetime of seeking and
searching. This entity studied first day and night in its own religious
constructs which you call Judaism and was learned enough to be a rabbi, as
you call teach/learners of this particular rhythm or distortion of
understanding, at a very young age."

Do you see how contrary the statement "when we go to far and long in trying
to get to the 'bottom of it' we inevitably keep ourselves away from it" is
to that of seek and you shall find.

There are may paths home.

Aloha
Charlie

[Dave M.]

Hi Charlie,

You said:
"Do you see how contrary the statement "when we go to far and long in trying
to get to the 'bottom of it' we inevitably keep ourselves away from it" is
to that of seek and you shall find."

Me:
I don't want to put words in smileyjaiy's mouth, but I think the key phrase in
his statement (and what
you left out of your quote of his) is "intellectual inquiry". LL Research
had/have truth seeking minds
and curiosity, but theirs was/is not purely/merely an intellectual inquiry.

Jesus was intelligent, but he wasn't merely an intellectual. He sought
stillness to commune with his
Father and find balance. He used his intelligence in combination with his
connection to Source.

When smileyjaiy talks about going too far, I think he means it in context to
forcing an intellectual
solution. Forcing is a quality of ego and is antithetical to connecting with
Source. Thus, the result
will be an answer from ego rather than from Source.

Incidentally, your post is an example of mirroring. Your tendency to
pick-apart/analyze someone's
statements is a sign that your crown chakra is much stronger than your third eye
chakra. The statement
by sj is challenging your over-reliance on your intellectual aspects and need
for a canonical recipe for
enlightenment. Thus, you are defending your intellectual point of reference
because you see the
differences between the particular balancing of your chakras and sj's.

Your ego wants to believe that it has the correct balance, and thus takes issue
with the otherself. The
reflection of your particular balancing is shown to you when you come in contact
with someone with a
much different balancing or with someone who is very balanced.

This is why highly disciplined/balanced personalities are such strong mirrors.
The unbalanced
personality sees exactly what it is (its' chakra strengths) and what it is not
(its' chakra weaknesses)
in the person who has balanced those strengths and weaknesses.

Love & Light,

Dave

[smileyjaiy]

Dear Charlie....when I say when we go too far I am referring to the
intellectual pursuit that brings us to the conclusion that there is no
conclusion...this is not a judgement on anyone or anything but a
suggestion for those to consider for themselves...there is no teaching
or doctrine including the LoO that gets to the bottom of it...all goes
on infinitely in a 'circle' for ever expressing in infinite different
ways..taken in that context there is no contradiction unless we insist
there is an absolute truth, besides absoluteness, which of coarse can
never be described absolutely because it is absolute...we perhaps take
on teachings or beliefs that serve us but it is never absolute...a
play that keeps on going and changing...on and on...I realize all my
beliefs have some fault or limitation inherent within it...it is just
infinitely poking through to show me to be easy and just enjoy the
intellectual aspect of that belief as it arises and expresses...play,
play , play it enjoys itself as it may.....

[Charlie]

"Dave M." wrote:

>
> Hi Charlie,
>
> You said:
> "Do you see how contrary the statement "when we go to far and long in trying
> to get to the 'bottom of it' we inevitably keep ourselves away from it" is
> to that of seek and you shall find."
>
> Me:
> I don't want to put words in smileyjaiy's mouth, but I think the key phrase in
> his statement (and what
> you left out of your quote of his) is "intellectual inquiry". LL Research
> had/have truth seeking minds
> and curiosity, but theirs was/is not purely/merely an intellectual inquiry.
>
> Jesus was intelligent, but he wasn't merely an intellectual. He sought
> stillness to commune with his
> Father and find balance. He used his intelligence in combination with his
> connection to Source.
>
> When smileyjaiy talks about going too far, I think he means it in context to
> forcing an intellectual
> solution. Forcing is a quality of ego and is antithetical to connecting with
> Source. Thus, the result
> will be an answer from ego rather than from Source.
>
> Incidentally, your post is an example of mirroring. Your tendency to
> pick-apart/analyze someone's
> statements is a sign that your crown chakra is much stronger than your third
> eye chakra. The statement
> by sj is challenging your over-reliance on your intellectual aspects and need
> for a canonical recipe for
> enlightenment. Thus, you are defending your intellectual point of reference
> because you see the
> differences between the particular balancing of your chakras and sj's.
>
> Your ego wants to believe that it has the correct balance, and thus takes
> issue with the otherself. The
> reflection of your particular balancing is shown to you when you come in
> contact with someone with a
> much different balancing or with someone who is very balanced.
>
> This is why highly disciplined/balanced personalities are such strong mirrors.
> The unbalanced
> personality sees exactly what it is (its' chakra strengths) and what it is not
> (its' chakra weaknesses)
> in the person who has balanced those strengths and weaknesses.
>
> Love & Light,
>
> Dave


Hey Dave,

I am sure you are right about the Chakra thing as I don't believe I have
them all in perfect balance and you are right about the intellectual thing
as this is reiterated through the Ra books.

I really thought this forum would be the place for intellectual inquiry, I
will stop now.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Aloha
Charlie

[Dave M.]

>I really thought this forum would be the place for intellectual inquiry, I
>will stop now.

Hi Charlie,

I wasn't trying to stifle your intellectual inquiry, and there's no ban against
such on this forum that
I am aware of. So please don't cease and desist because of me. :)

I was just pointing out that in concentrating on the intellectual aspects of
enlightened persons, you
were not looking at the whole person or even the most important aspect. There
are plenty of examples of
intellectuals who also lack spiritual maturity.

I also took the opportunity to give you an example of mirroring (you asked :)
that you could relate to
personally, since I find this to be a good method to aid understanding.

L&L,
Dave