How to explain to someone so they understand

[peacenluvinaction]

hi all,

my mother and i are trying to come up with a way to explain to her
husband, my step-dad, that we do not take these 3d bodies with us when
we leave this plane/realm. [snip-personal information not needed on this forum.
ch] anyone have a good explanation? how would you explain the different
dimensions, what they are, etc., so that he can grasp this? also, is there any
explanation of what we truly are, in a short version, beyond this physical body,
something that is understandable and simple for him to get this? any input
would be much appreciated. any books, reading material, videos, etc.?
anything.

love in action
murphy

[Chris Hamilton]

hello murphy,

of course, since we are a site that studies and discusses the law of one
books channelled by carla rueckert, we highly recommend them. we also have a
book list in our files section that david wilcock (the owner of this
list)compiled. chris

> hi all,
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> my mother and i are trying to come up with a way to explain to her
> husband, my step-dad, that we do not take these 3d bodies with us when we
> leave this lane/realm. any books, reading material, videos, etc.?
> anything.
>
> love in action
> murphy
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[Leslie Tenold]

excuse me for butting in, but according to information available to me, we do
take our bodies with us, although they will be new 4th dimension bodies. my
body is already undergoing such changes now. les
www.healingangels.net

from: chris hamilton
hello murphy,

of course, since we are a site that studies and discusses the law of one
books channelled by carla rueckert, we highly recommend them. we also have a
book list in our files section that david wilcock (the owner of this
list)compiled. chris

> hi all,
>
> my mother and i are trying to come up with a way to explain to her
> husband, my step-dad, that we do not take these 3d bodies with us when we
> leave this lane/realm. any books, reading material, videos, etc.?
> anything.
>
> love in action
> murphy

[Chris Hamilton]

you are not butting in les :) my point here to murphy is that because we are
a law of one group, perhaps someone can reference the loo books and help
murphy explain these things from the law of one perspective? we are supposed
to be studying the loo here along with dw's theories. at least that's how dw
set up his forum. so, anyone want to help murphy out from the loo viewpoint?
chris
___________________
> excuse me for butting in, but according to information available to me, we
> do take our bodies with us, although they will be new 4th dimension
> bodies. my body is already undergoing such changes now. les

[peacenluvinaction]

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wrote:
> hello murphy,
>
> of course, since we are a site that studies and discusses the law of
one
> books channelled by carla rueckert, we highly recommend them. we
also have a
> book list in our files section that david wilcock (the owner of this
> list)compiled. chris
>


chris,

thank you for your response. i have been following david's stuff for
quite some time, so am not naieve where his information is concerned,
by any means. have read his and wynn free's book, as well as his
online convergence series books, am re-reading them now, and have
studied quite a bit of carla's stuff as well. here's the thing, as we
all know, conventional religions ingrain things in people so deeply.
as those of us know who have read david's material, carla's material,
one needs to be open minded to grasp it, to not think it is just way
out there somewhere. i am trying to help approach this in a way that
someone that has been in the mormon religion for so long will start to
broaden their perspective, a simplistic way of explaining, without
overwhelming them. so many people in this group (i have been
following this message board for about a year now, but have never
posted before), have a way of explaining things so simplistically, it
seems anyone could grasp it quickly and a seed is planted. that is
what i am hoping will happen with this. again, thank you for your
response, as it is truly appreciated.

love in action,

murphy

[peacenluvinaction]

leslie,

your not butting in, by any means. let me try to explain plainly
here. mormons are taught that they simply come to this earth this one
time, to "get" or acquire this body that we are now in. there is no
such thing as reincarnation in their minds. then, when they "die"
they go to another place (heaven, different levels of heaven depending
on the life you live, and whether you are male or female, minority or
white), and you reunite with your body, flesh and bones, as they are
right now. they have believed and been taught this for over a century
now. yes leslie, i agree, we have dna that is coming alive right now,
pushing us to upgrade per se, to 4d, that is still different than what
i was talking about. the mormons truly believe god is a flesh and
bones human being, such as we are right now, is a white bearded male,
human. sorry, but god is not this. god is never ending energy, all
encompassing energy. so, what is happening right now in this 3d realm
and what we are approaching, is much different than what i was
speaking of. i am speaking about death and reincarnation, what
happens on a soul level, that these shells we have chosen are not who
we are, they are the shell, like a hermit crab sheds when necessary to
evolve. i am not speaking of us shifting into 4d. anyone who knows
anything about the mormon religion, would understand exactly what i am
getting at here. they do not believe in reincarnation, at all. they
do not believe we live many lifetimes. they do not believe in 3d, 4d,
5d, 6d, and so on. they believe this is "it." how can they broaden
their minds to get beyond these beliefs? as i recall, in david's
material, he speaks of how the conventional religions hold
people/humans back. that anyone who remains locked in the
conventional religions will not be harvestable into the 4d.
obviously, we cannot infringe on anyone's free will, and he is
grasping so many other things rapidly, shedding so many of his old
"beliefs," but this one area he is having a hard time with. as we
know, it takes many incarnations in all different worlds/realms to
finally reach our final destination per se. this is not "it," the one
and only time/thing. this is not truly reality, it is a school
house/yard, we live to learn, to grow, to gain knowledge, but it is
not "it."

love in action,
murphy

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>
> excuse me for butting in, but according to information available to
me, we do take our bodies with us, although they will be new 4th
dimension bodies. my body is already undergoing such changes now. les
> www.healingangels.net
>
> from: chris hamilton
> hello murphy,
>
> of course, since we are a site that studies and discusses the law
of one
> books channelled by carla rueckert, we highly recommend them. we
also have a
> book list in our files section that david wilcock (the owner of this
> list)compiled. chris
>
> > hi all,
> >
> > my mother and i are trying to come up with a way to explain to her
> > husband, my step-dad, that we do not take these 3d bodies with
us when we
> > leave this lane/realm. any books, reading material, videos,
etc.?
> > anything.
> >
> > love in action
> > murphy

[Ed]

peacenluvinaction wrote:
>
> mormons are taught that they simply come to this earth this one
> time, to "get" or acquire this body that we are now in. there is no
> such thing as reincarnation in their minds. as we
> know, it takes many incarnations in all different worlds/realms to
> finally reach our final destination per se. this is not "it," the one
> and only time/thing. this is not truly reality, it is a school
> house/yard, we live to learn, to grow, to gain knowledge, but it is
> not "it.">
> love in action,
> murphy


there are lots of really good books documenting that
reincarnation exists. there are innumerable cases where some small
child tells his or her parents about having just been so and so in
such and such village. the child remembers details of the home, the
village, and other people. the child is taken to the old village and
immediately knows all sorts of things about it and recognizes people
and knows their names, etc. there are cases where the child can speak
in some other language that he hasn't been exposed to in this
lifetime.

for that matter, the great child musical prodigies prove
reincarnation. a small child sees a piano or a violin for the first
time and immediately starts playing it with great familiarity. you
can't explain this with genetics or anything else in the physical
plane.

i would give your friend the mellen-thomas benedict story. see
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhne/message/102 (which also includes
some verification that the guy and the story are real.)

also, the two michael newton books, journey of souls and destiny of
souls, where people are regressed to the interval between lifetimes
and there is a fair amount of description and explanation of how that
all works.

these things may not appear to directly relate to law of one, etc.,
but i would say that one of the greatest services for others that we
can provide is what i would call "intellectual healing"; that is,
helping others to find and clear up the wrong data in their computers.
when someone realizes that some chunk of dogma is false, all sorts of
good follows. you usually can't just tell someone that xyz is false,
but if you let them see the truth, they can realize for themselves,
which is quite a good empowering thing to have happen.

all the best, ed

[Unknown]

hi murphy,

something that interests almost every person are near death
experiences and those can really give great insights on current
religious beliefs. www.near-death.com is a great site wich lists a
lot of books and has a lot of people their experiences transcribed
from diffrent religions.
like somebody inhere already suggested try suggesting some books
about reincarnation: this is a good one: shanti devi
it's about a girl in india that remembers her past life and meets
her previous husband, the case was investigated by an assigned
(commitee)? by mahatma ghandi.
other things that can break some borders of the mind are out of body
experiences, lucid dreams, check www.robertpeterson.org there is a
free online book about obe's.
ofcourse your steph dad has to be ready and willing to do this, he is
the only one that can learn nobody can force him. you can bring
somebody food but you can't eat it for him.
near death experiences are great because they show that everybody
experiences what they believe in, books by kenneth ring are very good.
out of body experiences & lucid dreams are great if the person is
really intrested in exploring himself. because with obe's & ld's you
experience the existence of the mind outside of the body yourself and
nothing is better & more convincing then our own experiences.

if the person has been following a big religion like christianity or
islam i personally wouldn't say much about dimensions and stuff like
that :) i would say stuff that is common or that the person is
interested in etc.
like dreams are allways very intresting, i had great experiences with
telling people about lucid dreams. that it's possible to be totally
conscious like this moment in the dream world. and everything has the
same realism, is the same reality as on this moment. the only
diffrence is that you are aware that it's a dream. this has great
implications cause it means that our dreams can be as real as our
physical life. and when people think about it, they question reality.
and much people already experienced lucid dreams.
ofcourse some people don't see the implications but that's okey.
everybody is living the moment they are ready for.
out of body experiences are the best experience to see that the mind
can exist outside of the body & near death experiences.
the diffrence is that with out of body experiences you can experience
it safe without being "death". :)
the best way to explain dimensions is relating to them as non
physical. where does your steph dad thinks that he goes when he dies?
it must be a non physical reality right? wich implys a non physical
mind etc...

peace & joy
Unknown

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wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
> my mother and i are trying to come up with a way to explain to her
> husband, my step-dad, that we do not take these 3d bodies with us
when
> we leave this plane/realm. [snip-personal information not needed
on this forum. ch] anyone have a good explanation? how would you
explain the different dimensions, what they are, etc., so that he can
grasp this? also, is there any explanation of what we truly are, in
a short version, beyond this physical body, something that is
understandable and simple for him to get this? any input would be
much appreciated. any books, reading material, videos, etc.?
anything.
>
> love in action
> murphy

[Unknown]

hi chris,

from a loo perspective i think that we need to help him in the way we
think is the best ourselves.
i don't think recommending the law of one books is the best thing to
do here. it may well "freak" out the person that is in a major
religion.

one love
Unknown

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wrote:
> you are not butting in les :) my point here to murphy is that
because we are
> a law of one group, perhaps someone can reference the loo books and
help
> murphy explain these things from the law of one perspective? we are
supposed
> to be studying the loo here along with dw's theories. at least
that's how dw
> set up his forum. so, anyone want to help murphy out from the loo
viewpoint?
> chris
> ___________________
> > excuse me for butting in, but according to information available
to me, we
> > do take our bodies with us, although they will be new 4th
dimension
> > bodies. my body is already undergoing such changes now. les

[Leslie Tenold]

you are speaking of the mormon religion but not what many mormons really
believe. one of my best friends pre-ww ii was a mormon but he did not believe
everything the mormon church put out. no different than many catholics i have
known. les
www.healingangels.net

from: peacenluvinaction
leslie,

your not butting in, by any means. let me try to explain plainly
here. mormons are taught that they simply come to this earth this one
time, to "get" or acquire this body that we are now in. there is no
such thing as reincarnation in their minds. love in action,
murphy

[WWWqWWW = Thunderbird]

murphy, since you asked ---

i recently turned 64; and just a few days ago
i found an obscure book, only available at one
location that nicely explains it all. and remember,
that as a naval academy graduate i have been looking
for a long time.


i suggest that you invest $15 in a slight but powerful
book entitled "the key". and i am 'cheap' by
avocation, so i don't suggest that lightly.

1/ go to http:\\unknowncountry.com

2/ go to the store section

3/ select the pull down section entitled "whitley's books"

4/ purchase the key

5/ in any event, let me know back what you do or don't do
so that i may know if my time here was well spent.


greg salyards

born in jeffersonville, 1941

[Pi]

murphy wrote: ...they go to another place (heaven, different levels
of heaven depending on the life you live, and whether you are male
or female, minority or white), and you reunite with your body, flesh
and bones, as they are right now. they have believed and been
taught this for over a century now. ...
the mormons truly believe god is a flesh and bones human being, such
as we are right now, is a white bearded male, human. sorry, but god
is not this. god is never ending energy, all encompassing energy.
so, what is happening right now in this 3d realm and what we are
approaching, is much different than what i was speaking of. i am
speaking about death and reincarnation, what happens on a soul
level, that these shells we have chosen are not who we are, they are
the shell, like a hermit crab sheds when necessary to evolve. i am
not speaking of us shifting into 4d. anyone who knows anything about
the mormon religion, would understand exactly what i am getting at
here. they do not believe in reincarnation, at all. they do not
believe we live many lifetimes. they do not believe in 3d, 4d, 5d,
6d, and so on. they believe this is "it." how can they broaden
their minds to get beyond these beliefs?

pi: perhaps these 2 passages would help:

on the transformation to spirit: 1st corinthians 15
35 but some man will say, how are the dead raised up? and with what
body do they come? 36 thou fool, that which thou sowest is not
quickened, except it die: 37 and that which thou sowest, thou
sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of
wheat, or of some other grain: 38 but god giveth it a body as it
hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. ... 42 ...it [the
body] is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 it is
sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it
is raised in power: 44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a
spiritual body. there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual
body. ... 49 and as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall
also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 now this i say, brethren,
that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of god; neither doth
corruption inherit incorruption.

on the belief of jesus & disciples in reincarnation: john 9
1 and as jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his
birth. 2 and his disciples asked him, saying, master, who did sin,
this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 jesus answered,
neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of
god should be made manifest in him.

i can't recall the specific source offhand, but either the loo or a
l/l research transcript draws an analogy between the relationship of
spiritual body to material body & use of a car. the body is like a
car. we get the first one based on aspects of need for use, personal
taste, resources available to us, etc. as any aspect changes, it'll
affect the features we choose for the next car we get.

hope this helps. peace & love. johnny

[peacenluvinaction]

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> there are lots of really good books documenting that
> reincarnation exists. i would give your friend the mellen-thomas benedict
story. see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhne/message/102 (which also includes
> some verification that the guy and the story are real.)
>
> also, the two michael newton books, journey of souls and destiny of
> souls, ed,

thank you so much for this. i could not remember any of the books i
had read in regards to the children. my mother has read many, many
books on this as well, but we could not bring to mind any of the names
of the books. your ending thoughts in this post is exactly what i was
trying to say. he has been experiencing so many things, almost
overwhelming for him, and he has hit his angry points where he feels
as if he has been lied to all of the years. but, we all know, ego
steps in during these moments, and he has to hang onto something so
that he does not feel so naieve. he has read some of david's
readings, and is absolutely taken to them, really grasps them, but it
is like baby steps. so, again, i appreciate your taking time to
express your thoughts and input. i am going to start searching for
some more books involving children, documenting these things. i'm
sure there are plenty of skeptics who can claim the writer just made
it up, but that is there own lack of choosing to see the truth. i
cannot really throw him into carla's and david's full throttle stuff
yet, as this would be too much for him, and he would shut it down,
much like ra said cayce would do. i give him little baby bites here
and there, something i know he will not toss aside.

love in action,
murphy

[peacenluvinaction]

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> pi: perhaps these 2 passages would help:
>
> on the transformation to spirit: 1st corinthians 15
> 35 36 37 ... 42 ... 43 44 49 50 john 9
> 1 2 3
> i can't recall the specific source offhand, but either the loo or a
> l/l research transcript draws an analogy between the relationship of
> spiritual body to material body & use of a car. the body is like a
> car. we get the first one based on aspects of need for use, personal
> taste, resources available to us, etc. as any aspect changes, it'll
> affect the features we choose for the next car we get.
>
> hope this helps. peace & love. johnny

johnny,

thank you for your input, i appreciate the time you took to add this
entry. i am going to use it as another piece of reference. i must
say, i have never been a studier of the bible, and have always swayed
more towards metaphysics/astrology/tarot, etc., native american, off
the mainstream beaten path so to speak. so, this clearly gives me a
piece of the puzzle to bring forth where the bible is concerned.
again, thank you for your input.

love in action,
murphy

[Ed]

peacenluvinaction wrote:
> >
> > also, the two michael newton books, journey of souls and destiny of
> > souls, ed,
>
> thank you so much for this. i could not remember any of the books i
> had read in regards to the children. > love in action,
> murphy

i also don't remember the specific books about children's
past lives. not to belabor the obvious, but if there is a new age,
metaphysical bookstore place near you, they will be able to help you
with those books and other good things. and they would probably love
to have and sell the ra books. from what you say in this post your
stepfather sounds quite receptive, so i think you will be successful.

all the best, ed

[peacenluvinaction]

leslie,

this is where, to a degree, i will disagree. most mormons are staunch
believers, especially when they are participating every day/week in
it. they are, most times than not, immovable in regards to it. it,
in my opinion, is the most critical "religion" about what their
"members" can and cannot do, no gray areas. if they question anything
about the belief to the hierarchy, they are simply told, "there are
some things that we are not supposed to know," but people are supposed
to just believe. they are not accepting of ones who do not fully
participate in the church, and literally almost condem them if they do
not participate whole heartedly. so, i am not talking about ones who
have drifted from the mormonism, or who don't participate in it fully.
i am talking 40 years in it, with 20 years of it being in the
hierarchy. people choose what is right for them at the time, and i
truly think some people literally get stuck because they choose to not
question, choose to not seek further. this is very convienent for the
conventional religions, as they know this factor. they use it to
their benefit. create fear of what "will happen," and they will stay.
make them believe this, and they will not need to seek anything
else. i'm not trying to generalize and state "all mormons believe
100%," but active mormons almost always do, without questioning. as
far as my explaining mormonism, it is because i was trying to explain
what they teach and ingrain in their "members" minds. i am coming
from that standpoint, what has been ingrained in his mind over a 40
year period of time, brain washing essentially. so, yes, i was
speaking of the mormon religion, and how it relates to the effects of
their teachings on their "members" minds. i'm not speaking about ones
who have gone awol from it or choose not to be "active." the ones who
have questioned it or things about it.

love in action,
murphy

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>
> you are speaking of the mormon religion but not what many mormons
really believe. one of my best friends pre-ww ii was a mormon but he
did not believe everything the mormon church put out. no different
than many catholics i have known. les
> www.healingangels.net
>
> from: peacenluvinaction
> leslie,
>
> your not butting in, by any means. let me try to explain plainly
> here. mormons are taught that they simply come to this earth this one
> time, to "get" or acquire this body that we are now in. there is no
> such thing as reincarnation in their minds. love in action,
> murphy

[Todd Jumper]

i was a mormon all my life up until they excommunicated me in 2002. as a
teenager for no reason, i started believing in reincarnation- there is no
specific doctrine in the lds church although the leaders claim its not true,
being clairvoyant it was really hard for me in the church in my later years
there. i still believe in the book of mormon though as a true record of a lost
race that lived in the america, 'lost tribe of joseph' even edgar cayce showed
interest in it and spoke of the lost tribe.

but as for the church itself, it has become too controlling and maintstream,
practicers of priestcraft and pride.


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you are speaking of the mormon religion but not what many mormons really
believe. one of my best friends pre-ww ii was a mormon but he did not believe
everything the mormon church put out. no different than many catholics i have
known. les
www.healingangels.net

from: peacenluvinaction
leslie,

your not butting in, by any means. let me try to explain plainly
here. mormons are taught that they simply come to this earth this one
time, to "get" or acquire this body that we are now in. there is no
such thing as reincarnation in their minds. love in action,
murphy




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[GenoNess1@...]

i dont think understanding hinges on the explanation or the messenger. i
think understanding hinges mostly on the receptivity of the reciever and so i
think the process of explaining so someone else understands and 'merges' with
your
point of view is a very subtle process. i firmly believe that no matter how
clear the message or how knowledgeable the messenger, the reception of the
message depends upon the reciever. this is akin to the idea of light cannot
exist
without dark, male cannot exist without female, etc...there is no 'more
important' side of the scale.

think of it this way...god explained it to us, is constantly explaining it to
us...god created it so god knows what god is talking about...and we still
don't fully get it. its all there already, its the receptivity (divine feminine
anyone?) that is the next step of that process....love, me!


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