worldly focus

[raconsel@...]

hello all.

i just wanted to share my concerned observation of how this list appears to be
prone to so easily lose its spiritual focus to the first major new world order
ploy that comes along. which is exactly what the nwo want you all to do! and
it's just the beginning you know.

is this list supposed to be for people interested in ascension or more worldly
things? i ask because i do not see how a person can have both interests and yet
be serious about the spiritual life and therefore ascension.

can you not all feel the decline of vibration in the recent discussions about
the US, terrorism, war, etc.? is that not in itself warrant enough for us to
choose to drop the subject in favor of a higher and more inspiring focus?

ron

[Jeremy Weiland]

> can you not all feel the decline of vibration in the
> recent discussions about the US, terrorism, war,
> etc.? is that not in itself warrant enough for us to
> choose to drop the subject in favor of a higher and
> more inspiring focus?

You're probably right, Ron. We should be talking
about more spiritually pertinent things. However, I'm
on several email lists, from music to spirituality,
and *everybody* in America is talking about this.
It's probably healthy, too, even though it seems like
everybody has their own analysis and their own
solution. Things are starting to settle down, and
I've already started seeing some really interesting
things on this list. Be patient with us Americans -
we like to obsess about tragedy :-)

Jeremy

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[Steve]

At 16:48 17/09/01, you wrote:

<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite=""><tt>hello all.


i just wanted to share my concerned observation of how this list appears
to be prone to so easily lose its spiritual focus to the first major new
world order ploy that comes along. which is exactly what the nwo want you
all to do! and it's just the beginning you know.


is this list supposed to be for people interested in ascension or more
worldly things? i ask because i do not see how a person can have both
interests and yet be serious about the spiritual life and therefore
ascension.


can you not all feel the decline of vibration in the recent discussions
about the US, terrorism, war, etc.? is that not in itself warrant enough
for us to choose to drop the subject in favor of a higher and more
inspiring focus?


ron

</blockquote>

Good point Ron, it seems many people will lose sight of the truth and
continue to give themselves away to such things. Not realising that this
is only the start of fear raising its head in the world, coming into the
open so to speak, Before the ascension, as though clearing a path
?


I do feel myself that the energy in this world has changed, it seems
there is a greater reaction and rising to fear in the collective since
what has taken place.


I agree, let us choose to drop the subject, as you say, "in favour
of a higher and more inspiring focus". What do you think that focus
should be ? And how best can one regain and gather themselves in light of
recent event and move forward ?


Steve

[Laura]

Funny! I feel an increased vibration! Also I'm experiencing
increased telepathic capabilities. Anyone else?

What might help interpret the seeming inconsistency is reading the
Ra/The Law of One Study Guide on David Wilcock's web site:
http://www.ascension2000.com/. It explains how physically manifested
events relate to the evolution of consciousness. And you'll
thoroughly enjoy it!!!

Much Love,
Laura

--- In asc2k@y..., raconsel@y... wrote:
> hello all.
>
> i just wanted to share my concerned observation of how this list
appears to be prone to so easily lose its spiritual focus to the
first major new world order ploy that comes along. which is exactly
what the nwo want you all to do! and it's just the beginning you know.
>
> is this list supposed to be for people interested in ascension or
more worldly things? i ask because i do not see how a person can have
both interests and yet be serious about the spiritual life and
therefore ascension.
>
> can you not all feel the decline of vibration in the recent
discussions about the US, terrorism, war, etc.? is that not in itself
warrant enough for us to choose to drop the subject in favor of a
higher and more inspiring focus?
>
> ron

[Jason]

Laura! same here. I sat in meditation last night..and felt a
wonderful peace and love that I havent felt in quite some time. I
think we are being showered with much compassion from higher realms
and if we attune ourselves in the silence we can FEEL it! So i agree,
in some ways the vibrations have risen. The ourpouring of love on a
global scale cannot be denied. I live near new york city, and
everyone is acting *differently*. People are friendlier and closer
than ever before in my opinion. Random acts of kindness are becoming
commonplace. Old friends are saying hello, and those who were before
in conflict and making ammends and healing relationships. All in a
week since this tragedy..not bad at all! Keep our eyes on the ball
folks... Everything is moving along with divine perfection...If any
meaning is to come of those who lost their lives in the bombings,
it's that we become a more loving compassionate humanity. I think
that is already happened. Let's hope it sustains itself, I think it
will!


jason


--- In asc2k@y..., "Laura" <laura@e...> wrote:
> Funny! I feel an increased vibration! Also I'm experiencing
> increased telepathic capabilities. Anyone else?
>
> What might help interpret the seeming inconsistency is reading the
> Ra/The Law of One Study Guide on David Wilcock's web site:
> http://www.ascension2000.com/. It explains how physically
manifested
> events relate to the evolution of consciousness. And you'll
> thoroughly enjoy it!!!
>
> Much Love,
> Laura
>
> --- In asc2k@y..., raconsel@y... wrote:
> > hello all.
> >
> > i just wanted to share my concerned observation of how this list
> appears to be prone to so easily lose its spiritual focus to the
> first major new world order ploy that comes along. which is exactly
> what the nwo want you all to do! and it's just the beginning you
know.
> >
> > is this list supposed to be for people interested in ascension or
> more worldly things? i ask because i do not see how a person can
have
> both interests and yet be serious about the spiritual life and
> therefore ascension.
> >
> > can you not all feel the decline of vibration in the recent
> discussions about the US, terrorism, war, etc.? is that not in
itself
> warrant enough for us to choose to drop the subject in favor of a
> higher and more inspiring focus?
> >
> > ron

[. .]

Question:
Is God not Omniscient?
Is He not Omnipotent?
Is He not Omnipresent?
And so if indeed He/She It/ All there is, is indeed
all and everywhere, then is He not here, even now?
And so what matters it if we be here, or we be
transposed to there? Is He still not with me, and I
with Him regardless? As the saying goes...
"where ever thou goest, there thou art".
And in this awareness state let whatever may happen
happen...For the Lord art with Thou.
He is here,we is here,all is here...in the now.
So even the talk of fear, or not fear,is seperation.
Let there be both, and simply be with it. There may be
good reason to fear. It might be unreasonable to not
fear and a denial of our humanity. I fear for my
child, for my mother/father/brother/sister and the
world. To do less would be less than loving...no?
But there is better reason to stand in faith.In the
faith may I balance the fear. So be afraid...and then
be in faith...and then be in balance...and then
release the human part of the glory that too is
ours...that of fear. And denying this fear is a denial
of what may or may not come.But it would also be
spiritual denial to suggest we should not fear. It is
in the fear that we may indeed grow as a people, and
as a spirit, by using this catalyst as an opportunity
of poloraizing. And perhaps it will in the final
analysis be fear that indeed sobers the fuels of
seperation. To judge anything is to confine it
narrowly to but one meaning. Even in fear there may be
the love. The love of family and friend, and the fear
for them. And this love/fear for them is a bad thing?
No...it may a good thing..meant from a good heart.And
this fearful heart may be doing the best that it can
at the level it is at. And its level and capacity to
love may indeed far surpass your own hearts capacity
for the same. What do I know? What do you know? Judge
it not. Restrict it not. Be not above it or superior
or better than it. Be in balance, even with it. In the
end and final analysis, this bit of contribution ends
as it began. If God is everywhere, then peace be
still. He is here even now, in spite of what our eyes
may be telling us otherwise. And if He is here even
now, then it doesn't really matter what happens...only
what you do with it.
All is grist for the mill.If your brother is afraid,
give him a word of encouragement, not a judgement.
I am reminded of Carlos Castenada asking Don Juan what
a warrior does when he is afraid. And Don Juan
replied..."He ****s in his pants like a warrior".
And so let us be warriors of the spirit and in the
faith. And if there is fear...let it be. We are all
hero's and warriors. And let us not judge eachothers
****.To do so would be spiritual elitism...no?


--- Laura <laura@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=wpvU_RinUF1xn2H1zrxKH4bIbmPxCm_6v1AsOQ OwEhxA1WvA5b7mcIhYXmDXG-O_C6z0B7V73_B8Vv7xTpgw)> wrote:
> Funny! I feel an increased vibration! Also I'm
> experiencing
> increased telepathic capabilities. Anyone else?
>
> What might help interpret the seeming inconsistency
> is reading the
> Ra/The Law of One Study Guide on David Wilcock's web
> site:
> http://www.ascension2000.com/. It explains how
> physically manifested
> events relate to the evolution of consciousness.
> And you'll
> thoroughly enjoy it!!!
>
> Much Love,
> Laura
>
> --- In asc2k@y..., raconsel@y... wrote:
> > hello all.
> >
> > i just wanted to share my concerned observation of
> how this list
> appears to be prone to so easily lose its spiritual
> focus to the
> first major new world order ploy that comes along.
> which is exactly
> what the nwo want you all to do! and it's just the
> beginning you know.
> >
> > is this list supposed to be for people interested
> in ascension or
> more worldly things? i ask because i do not see how
> a person can have
> both interests and yet be serious about the
> spiritual life and
> therefore ascension.
> >
> > can you not all feel the decline of vibration in
> the recent
> discussions about the US, terrorism, war, etc.? is
> that not in itself
> warrant enough for us to choose to drop the subject
> in favor of a
> higher and more inspiring focus?
> >
> > ron
>
>


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[Jeremy Weiland]

> Funny! I feel an increased vibration! Also I'm
> experiencing
> increased telepathic capabilities. Anyone else?

Well, the telepathic abilities haven't shown up yet,
but I definately have felt an increase in energetic
flow. It used to be I'd have to concentrate to get
"charged up". Now, if I just sit still, I start
feeling the energy flow into and out of the body.
It's nice because I'm starting to do some experiments
with directing it through different chakras and
noticing the effects.

> What might help interpret the seeming inconsistency
> is reading the
> Ra/The Law of One Study Guide on David Wilcock's web
> site:
> http://www.ascension2000.com/. It explains how
> physically manifested
> events relate to the evolution of consciousness.
> And you'll
> thoroughly enjoy it!!!

Another Ra concept that I found helpful during this
whole crisis is the law of balance. Specifically,
that the sum total of negative and positive influences
on this planet will be balanced. So when the negs up
the ante, you can be sure our guys are pumping extra
energy down here.

Thanks for your post, Laura.

Jeremy

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[Rod]

Yes! Yes! Yes! to Jeremy's response to Ron's concern below.

DeeBokonon

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Subject: Re: [asc2k] worldly focus

> can you not all feel the decline of vibration in the
> recent discussions about the US, terrorism, war,
> etc.? is that not in itself warrant enough for us to
> choose to drop the subject in favor of a higher and
> more inspiring focus?

You're probably right, Ron. We should be talking
about more spiritually pertinent things. However, I'm
on several email lists, from music to spirituality,
and *everybody* in America is talking about this.
It's probably healthy, too, even though it seems like
everybody has their own analysis and their own
solution. Things are starting to settle down, and
I've already started seeing some really interesting
things on this list. Be patient with us Americans -
we like to obsess about tragedy :-)

Jeremy

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[Rod]

ron wrote: i just wanted to share my concerned observation of how this list
appears to be prone to so easily lose its spiritual focus to the first major
new world order ploy that comes along. on,

Hi Ron,

That is a very lofty concern. But, perhaps a little on the fanatic side of
ascension concerns.

Spiritual paths are often in the company of fanaticisms which attempt to
separate spiritual from real. To emphasize this as foolish the Zen say
"Before spiritual arrival and ascension one must chop wood and carry water.
However, after spiritual arrival and ascension one must still chop wood and
carry water."

The human motion is the temporal experience for souls. Dealing with it as
experience for the evolution of one's soul is the actual spiritual aspect of
soul work.

Deebokonon






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[Aaron Elder]

Thats a kool zen quote rod, thanks for the fish as pat parker would say.
Aaron


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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:04:16 -0700


To emphasize this as foolish the Zen say
"Before spiritual arrival and ascension one must chop wood and carry water.
However, after spiritual arrival and ascension one must still chop wood and
carry water."

Deebokonon






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