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grantcleveland
09-10-2004, 10:21 AM
hi all,

i came across this reference from ouspensky. he says there is an
additional unifying element that closes the circle between the 1st
and 8th elements of the octave. does any one have any information on
this concept that they could share with the group?

"there is an even more esoteric meaning to the
number nine which i will describe only briefly because it is
extremely complex and much study is required to understand
the fundamentals behind it. there is a certain symbol which
takes the form of a circle divided into nine parts with lines
connecting the nine points of the circumference in a certain
order... the circle is divided into nine equal parts. six
points are connected by a figure which is symmetrical in
relation to a diameter passing through the uppermost point of
the divisions of the circumference. further, the uppermost
point of the divisions is the apex of an equilateral triangle
linking together the points of the divisions which do not
enter into the construction of the original complicated
figure... this symbol cannot be met with anywhere in the
study of occultism, either in books or in oral transmission.
it was given such significance by those who knew, that they
considered it necessary to keep the knowledge of it secret.
only some hints and partial representations of it can be met
with in literature... (this) symbol expresses the law of
seven in its union with the law of three. the octave
possesses seven tones and the eighth is a repetition of the
first. together with the two (additional elements) there are
nine elements... the isolated existence of a thing or
phenomenon under examination is the closed circle of an
eternally returning and uninterruptedly flowing process. the
succession of stages in the process must be connected with
the succession of the remaining numbers from 1 to 9. the
presence of the ninth step filling up the interval completes
the cycle, that is, it closes the circle, which begins anew
at this point... therefore every beginning and completion of
the cycle is situated in the apex of the triangle, in the
point where the beginning and the end merge, where the circle
is closed, and which sounds in the endlessly flowing cycle...
but it is the ninth step that closes and again begins a
cycle."

peace- grant

grantcleveland
09-10-2004, 12:22 PM
god i love it when i come to a new path of mystery to walk along!!

i take it ouspensky (i obviously have not read him) was refering to
the enneagram. here is what apreas to be a decent, general source of
info on the subject:

http://www.endlesssearch.co.uk/philo_enneagram1.htm

"speaking in general it must be understood that the enneagram is a
universal symbol. all knowledge can be included in the enneagram and
with the help of the enneagram it can be interpreted. and in this
connection only what a man is able to put into the enneagram does he
actually know, that is, understand. what he cannot put into the
enneagram he does not understand. for the man who is able to make
use of it, the enneagram makes books and libraries entirely
unnecessary. everything can be included and read in the enneagram. a
man may be quite alone in the desert and he can trace the enneagram
in the sand and in it read the eternal laws of the universe. and
every time he can learn something new, something he did not know
before."


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<grant_a_cleveland@p...> wrote:
> hi all,
>
> i came across this reference from ouspensky. he says there is an
> additional unifying element that closes the circle between the 1st
> and 8th elements of the octave.

protoplasmicorganism
09-11-2004, 11:48 AM
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<grant_a_cleveland@p...> wrote:
> "speaking in general it must be
> understood that the enneagram is a
> universal symbol.

thank you grant !
so in synchrony with another
suggestion, the mayan calender
seems to run off wheels that
turn clockwise as does the
enneagram...

http://www.crystalinks.com/may.html

related to that seems the
"council of nine" based
in the rings of saturn?
possibly the connection is
through kronos an influence
of chronology, the clock,
which also goes clockwise
and seems to have worldwide
acceptance. (there seems
some tie to the day
saturday...)