There is no Afghani consensus! There are only factions of warlords!

[u2bsweet2me@...]

The chief warlord faction is the Taliban supported by Pakistan.
Everything in Davids post is accurate but sadly it is even more dire
in Afghanistan for the Afghanis than he depicted!

I don't think anyone in our military expects to carpet bomb
Afghanistan. This war declared upon America by the Taliban and Osama
ben Laden is a holy war! There is no logical reason for the calling
for Jihad on America but fancy prose and wistful Islamic mysticism
touted by Osama ben Laden. Osama ben Laden is the Mystical center of
the Islamic terror wave striking the world. There are a great number
of Islamic schools churning out thousands of ben Ladens every year in
Afghanistan and Pakistan. If you do not know it, many posters and
bill boards abound in Afghanistan of billowing atomic mushroom clouds
exploding over America and the West touting that Islam has the bomb
and they will use it! Have no doubts that no matter what America will
do there are already terrorist cells infiltrated into this country
with many weapons of mass destruction, from Anthrax to VX! They have
yet not penetrated with nuclear devices.

A hundred years and thousands of mass murders of Americans and
Western people are already planned and the Mullahs are drooling for
war with the West. If you go to Islamic sites you will see their
agenda. World conquest for Islam at any cost! If you have any doubts
of this then do your due dilegence if you doubt. I have done the
homework and I have no doubts as to the seriousness of our situation.

All of the brotherly love, mediations and peaceful intentions will
not stop this war as it has already been declared by Islam. We are
forced to react and to win this struggle. How many millions of
Americans do you want to die? Because that is the real equation! It
is not whether we are at war, it is not how poor and how desperate
are the Afhganistan people! The equations are already devised by our
enemy. We must get ahead of the curve before we buy the farm. I am
sure you would feel just fine stoking the Islamic imposed nuclear
fire over your home but I do not. Thank the Lord our President feels
differently as well.

I really get a laugh when supposedly intelligent and sensitive people
fail to grasp the enormity of the coming world cataclysm thrust upon
us by our enemies. This strife is the age old Muslim strife against
the West. It is called IBLISS, that is the Muslim name for it, do
your research and then come back and talk intelligently of what our
nation faces, all we got is a wake up call.

We will not win by killing the wrong people, we will win by
destroying our enemies. It just so happens that Islam is a
singularity unlike Christianity with so many different colors and
flavors of faiths. You have no idea what Islam is, you have no idea
of the beast. I can tell you from experience, NO AMERICAN SOLDIER
LOVES TO KILL INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN EXCEPT FOR A FEW NUTCASES!
A good friend of mine in Vietnam was a Christian and he was terribly
disabled emotionally when he had to kill a 6 year old boy strapped
with satchel charges and grenades running to an American bunker.

This is it my friends the fight of our life, this is more desperate
than WW2 by far! Get your game faces on if you want your children to
have a home in ten years, the game is already in play and we didn't
even know it!


--- In asc2k@y..., jasonx3001@y... wrote:
> David,
>
> I second that motion. Thank you. It is very difficult for us to get
a
> clear understanding of the situation. Your post has been very
> helpful. I only wish more people were made aware of that
information
> although the way the television coverage had gone so far, I'm not
> holding my breath. The thing that disturbs me most is, why isn't
> that "perspective" explained, conveyed to the American public? So
> many hours of coverage, yet not one piece containing the
informationi
> in your post. The real crime is if that information is not
> communicated and we begin to see bombing take place
indiscriminately.
> I pray that is not the case.
>
> jason
>
> --- In asc2k@y..., "Aaron Elder" <karnisov@h...> wrote:
> > Thanks for the informative post David. things are clearer now.
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "David Wilcock" <djw333@e...>
> > Subject: [asc2k] Afghani Perspective
> > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:19:10 -0400
> >
> > I got this from my friend Francis here in VB. I think it is very
> astute and
> > shows us why the Code of Hammurabi can't work in this case.
> >
> > Peace be with you -
> >
> > - David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________ _______________
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

[Jason]

"We will not win by killing the wrong people, we will win by
destroying our enemies."

Who is the enemy? Can they be destroyed? I think your entire view has
some serious faults due to misunderstandings as to the nature of
reality.

If you approach this, as I believe it should be, from the
understanding that all is consciousness and ultimately One, then
perhaps that part externalized in the Taliban and the evil you say is
coming, is a part of our own consciousness that needs to be healed.
Everything external is only a reflection of the state within. Now you
may say "dont give me that new age fluff" BUT mediation and the
raising of consciousness CAN change things and CAN prevent more evil
from being expressed. Surely as the Global Consciousness changes, so
does the behavior of those on the planet. The changes within will
then be reflected on the outside/external reality. There was an
experiment done by Maharishi Yogi where a group of people MEDITATED
in a major city in the US. As a result of the increased vibrations
due to their expanded consciousness which allowed more divine energy
to flow into the mass consciousness or "global grid", the crime rate
WENT DOWN. Meditating does change things in the collective
consciousness and I believe as many other do, that is the way we will
make the transition into a new world of peace love and
harmony...through the increase energy of pure consciousness itself.
We are the transmitters of this energy and meditation opens up the
channels so the divine can flow into this dimension, this planet, and
the hearts and minds of all who are present at this time.

I just felt it was necessary to state my opinion on this because I
know many have a hard time accepting that someone sitting silently in
meditation can do more to positively change the world than
any "action" or organization can. You can feel free to disagree, but
when we finally reach critical mass, the argument will be null and
void!

You said that we need to educate ourselves so we can discuss the
issues of Arghanastan and Bin Laden more "intelligently", well may I
suggest you study the latest understandings dealing with the science
of consciousness, quantum physics, the unified field..etc, all of
which provide the foundation for David's own work and many others who
are beginning to see and understand the implications of the simple
facts...we are all One, all is Consciousness. You cannot ignore thes
truths and they must play a role in our approach to the situation. I
only wish more in the mainstream media were educated on these
matters.


jason


--- In asc2k@y..., u2bsweet2me@y... wrote:
> The chief warlord faction is the Taliban supported by Pakistan.
> Everything in Davids post is accurate but sadly it is even more
dire
> in Afghanistan for the Afghanis than he depicted!
>
> I don't think anyone in our military expects to carpet bomb
> Afghanistan. This war declared upon America by the Taliban and
Osama
> ben Laden is a holy war! There is no logical reason for the calling
> for Jihad on America but fancy prose and wistful Islamic mysticism
> touted by Osama ben Laden. Osama ben Laden is the Mystical center
of
> the Islamic terror wave striking the world. There are a great
number
> of Islamic schools churning out thousands of ben Ladens every year
in
> Afghanistan and Pakistan. If you do not know it, many posters and
> bill boards abound in Afghanistan of billowing atomic mushroom
clouds
> exploding over America and the West touting that Islam has the bomb
> and they will use it! Have no doubts that no matter what America
will
> do there are already terrorist cells infiltrated into this country
> with many weapons of mass destruction, from Anthrax to VX! They
have
> yet not penetrated with nuclear devices.
>
> A hundred years and thousands of mass murders of Americans and
> Western people are already planned and the Mullahs are drooling for
> war with the West. If you go to Islamic sites you will see their
> agenda. World conquest for Islam at any cost! If you have any
doubts
> of this then do your due dilegence if you doubt. I have done the
> homework and I have no doubts as to the seriousness of our
situation.
>
> All of the brotherly love, mediations and peaceful intentions will
> not stop this war as it has already been declared by Islam. We are
> forced to react and to win this struggle. How many millions of
> Americans do you want to die? Because that is the real equation! It
> is not whether we are at war, it is not how poor and how desperate
> are the Afhganistan people! The equations are already devised by
our
> enemy. We must get ahead of the curve before we buy the farm. I am
> sure you would feel just fine stoking the Islamic imposed nuclear
> fire over your home but I do not. Thank the Lord our President
feels
> differently as well.
>
> I really get a laugh when supposedly intelligent and sensitive
people
> fail to grasp the enormity of the coming world cataclysm thrust
upon
> us by our enemies. This strife is the age old Muslim strife against
> the West. It is called IBLISS, that is the Muslim name for it, do
> your research and then come back and talk intelligently of what our
> nation faces, all we got is a wake up call.
>
> We will not win by killing the wrong people, we will win by
> destroying our enemies. It just so happens that Islam is a
> singularity unlike Christianity with so many different colors and
> flavors of faiths. You have no idea what Islam is, you have no idea
> of the beast. I can tell you from experience, NO AMERICAN SOLDIER
> LOVES TO KILL INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN EXCEPT FOR A FEW
NUTCASES!
> A good friend of mine in Vietnam was a Christian and he was
terribly
> disabled emotionally when he had to kill a 6 year old boy strapped
> with satchel charges and grenades running to an American bunker.
>
> This is it my friends the fight of our life, this is more desperate
> than WW2 by far! Get your game faces on if you want your children
to
> have a home in ten years, the game is already in play and we didn't
> even know it!
>
>
> --- In asc2k@y..., jasonx3001@y... wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > I second that motion. Thank you. It is very difficult for us to
get
> a
> > clear understanding of the situation. Your post has been very
> > helpful. I only wish more people were made aware of that
> information
> > although the way the television coverage had gone so far, I'm not
> > holding my breath. The thing that disturbs me most is, why isn't
> > that "perspective" explained, conveyed to the American public? So
> > many hours of coverage, yet not one piece containing the
> informationi
> > in your post. The real crime is if that information is not
> > communicated and we begin to see bombing take place
> indiscriminately.
> > I pray that is not the case.
> >
> > jason
> >
> > --- In asc2k@y..., "Aaron Elder" <karnisov@h...> wrote:
> > > Thanks for the informative post David. things are clearer now.
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: "David Wilcock" <djw333@e...>
> > > Subject: [asc2k] Afghani Perspective
> > > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:19:10 -0400
> > >
> > > I got this from my friend Francis here in VB. I think it is
very
> > astute and
> > > shows us why the Code of Hammurabi can't work in this case.
> > >
> > > Peace be with you -
> > >
> > > - David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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[Gaspar Villegas]

Dear Jason,

I am way ahead of you my friend. I agree with
everything that you are saying with absolute
conviction and I have one comment to help you
understand, "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!"

If we were dealing with people who truly loved life
and were not so bent on needing an enemy to suicide
themselves upon I would agree with you! In fact, I
have been diligently working metaphysically to prevent
this war from happening! I am not a war monger, I am
against war!

The time to deflect an asteroid is when it is 36
million miles out in space, not when it is entering
the atmosphere. Mankind needs this war to grow or else
it could have been stopped by the means of myself and
many others of peace who abhorr war! The present
terrorist campaign waging against us has been in the
planning stages for 10 years! That is when it was 36
million miles away! I have been working against this
war for 2 years, when I saw it coming! I have enlisted
the aid of many people! We are still striving for
peace but preparing for war! It is folly and insanity
not to know truth of war even though it is unwanted
and despised!


--- Jason <jasonx3001@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=OfwRZXuXkFiSkVIw12Ask3En1lgLZqE-si7Gi5kgcYgRSPu0lxG-sfrfCPk8gFrF5N7CnubzzEzSPm0)> wrote:
> "We will not win by killing the wrong people, we
> will win by
> destroying our enemies."
>
> Who is the enemy? Can they be destroyed? I think
> your entire view has
> some serious faults due to misunderstandings as to
> the nature of
> reality.
>
> If you approach this, as I believe it should be,
> from the
> understanding that all is consciousness and
> ultimately One, then
> perhaps that part externalized in the Taliban and
> the evil you say is
> coming, is a part of our own consciousness that
> needs to be healed.
> Everything external is only a reflection of the
> state within. Now you
> may say "dont give me that new age fluff" BUT
> mediation and the
> raising of consciousness CAN change things and CAN
> prevent more evil
> from being expressed. Surely as the Global
> Consciousness changes, so
> does the behavior of those on the planet. The
> changes within will
> then be reflected on the outside/external reality.
> There was an
> experiment done by Maharishi Yogi where a group of
> people MEDITATED
> in a major city in the US. As a result of the
> increased vibrations
> due to their expanded consciousness which allowed
> more divine energy
> to flow into the mass consciousness or "global
> grid", the crime rate
> WENT DOWN. Meditating does change things in the
> collective
> consciousness and I believe as many other do, that
> is the way we will
> make the transition into a new world of peace love
> and
> harmony...through the increase energy of pure
> consciousness itself.
> We are the transmitters of this energy and
> meditation opens up the
> channels so the divine can flow into this dimension,
> this planet, and
> the hearts and minds of all who are present at this
> time.
>
> I just felt it was necessary to state my opinion on
> this because I
> know many have a hard time accepting that someone
> sitting silently in
> meditation can do more to positively change the
> world than
> any "action" or organization can. You can feel free
> to disagree, but
> when we finally reach critical mass, the argument
> will be null and
> void!
>
> You said that we need to educate ourselves so we can
> discuss the
> issues of Arghanastan and Bin Laden more
> "intelligently", well may I
> suggest you study the latest understandings dealing
> with the science
> of consciousness, quantum physics, the unified
> field..etc, all of
> which provide the foundation for David's own work
> and many others who
> are beginning to see and understand the implications
> of the simple
> facts...we are all One, all is Consciousness. You
> cannot ignore thes
> truths and they must play a role in our approach to
> the situation. I
> only wish more in the mainstream media were educated
> on these
> matters.
>
>
> jason
>
>
> --- In asc2k@y..., u2bsweet2me@y... wrote:
> > The chief warlord faction is the Taliban supported
> by Pakistan.
> > Everything in Davids post is accurate but sadly it
> is even more
> dire
> > in Afghanistan for the Afghanis than he depicted!
> >
> > I don't think anyone in our military expects to
> carpet bomb
> > Afghanistan. This war declared upon America by the
> Taliban and
> Osama
> > ben Laden is a holy war! There is no logical
> reason for the calling
> > for Jihad on America but fancy prose and wistful
> Islamic mysticism
> > touted by Osama ben Laden. Osama ben Laden is the
> Mystical center
> of
> > the Islamic terror wave striking the world. There
> are a great
> number
> > of Islamic schools churning out thousands of ben
> Ladens every year
> in
> > Afghanistan and Pakistan. If you do not know it,
> many posters and
> > bill boards abound in Afghanistan of billowing
> atomic mushroom
> clouds
> > exploding over America and the West touting that
> Islam has the bomb
> > and they will use it! Have no doubts that no
> matter what America
> will
> > do there are already terrorist cells infiltrated
> into this country
> > with many weapons of mass destruction, from
> Anthrax to VX! They
> have
> > yet not penetrated with nuclear devices.
> >
> > A hundred years and thousands of mass murders of
> Americans and
> > Western people are already planned and the Mullahs
> are drooling for
> > war with the West. If you go to Islamic sites you
> will see their
> > agenda. World conquest for Islam at any cost! If
> you have any
> doubts
> > of this then do your due dilegence if you doubt. I
> have done the
> > homework and I have no doubts as to the
> seriousness of our
> situation.
> >
> > All of the brotherly love, mediations and peaceful
> intentions will
> > not stop this war as it has already been declared
> by Islam. We are
> > forced to react and to win this struggle. How many
> millions of
> > Americans do you want to die? Because that is the
> real equation! It
> > is not whether we are at war, it is not how poor
> and how desperate
> > are the Afhganistan people! The equations are
> already devised by
> our
> > enemy. We must get ahead of the curve before we
> buy the farm. I am
> > sure you would feel just fine stoking the Islamic
> imposed nuclear
> > fire over your home but I do not. Thank the Lord
> our President
> feels
> > differently as well.
> >
> > I really get a laugh when supposedly intelligent
> and sensitive
> people
> > fail to grasp the enormity of the coming world
> cataclysm thrust
> upon
> > us by our enemies. This strife is the age old
> Muslim strife against
> > the West. It is called IBLISS, that is the Muslim
> name for it, do
> > your research and then come back and talk
> intelligently of what our
> > nation faces, all we got is a wake up call.
> >
> > We will not win by killing the wrong people, we
> will win by
> > destroying our enemies. It just so happens that
> Islam is a
> > singularity unlike Christianity with so many
> different colors and
> > flavors of faiths. You have no idea what Islam is,
> you have no idea
> > of the beast. I can tell you from experience, NO
> AMERICAN SOLDIER
> > LOVES TO KILL INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN EXCEPT
> FOR A FEW
> NUTCASES!
> > A good friend of mine in Vietnam was a Christian
> and he was
> terribly
> > disabled emotionally when he had to kill a 6 year
> old boy strapped
>
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