Afghani Perspective

[ibphyb@...]

David, thank you for posting this. It is a wonderful insight. While all of
the messages about the attack have been posting this week, I received another
one passing around a petition to be signed protesting the horrible treatment
of women in Afghanistan. Then, I remembered something I thought I had
heard/read about the Taliban-Afghanistan? requiring Hindus to wear yellow
identifiers. I immediately started thinking "Hitler again." As i pondered
these things, it suddenly crossed my mind that perhaps this situation with
Osama bin Laden had a more undefined element (higher purpose) concerning the
plight of Afghanistan....I began to put all the situations together and
wondered if a higher purpose in this pending "war" might just be HELPING
Afghanistan by ridding the country of the Taliban control while seeking to
get bin Laden and the terrorists out. I wondered if it might bring a
different connotation to the situation if somehow the Taliban could be
eradicated from control and peace-keeping forces were in place to allow for
free elections, support from other countries, etc., allowing the country to
heal. Could this be possible? Phyllis

[David Wilcock]

I got this from my friend Francis here in VB. I think it is very astute and
shows us why the Code of Hammurabi can't work in this case.

Peace be with you -

- David


Dear Friends,

The following was sent to me by my friend Tamim Ansary. Tamim

is an Afghani-American writer. He is also one of the most brilliant
people I know in this life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I
listen.

Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we are in.

-Gary T.

>

Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread:


I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the
Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would
mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this
atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage.

What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing
whether we "have the belly to do what must be done."


And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am
from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never
lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will
listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.


I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no
doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in
New
York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters.



But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the
government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics
who
took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a
plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think
Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in
the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had
nothing to do with this atrocity.

They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if
someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats
nest of international thugs holed up in their country.


Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban?
The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated,
suffering.

A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000
disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food.

There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these
widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines,

the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the
reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.


We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.
Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the
Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses?

Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their
hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine
and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that.

New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at
least
get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat,
only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe
the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too
fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping
bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this
horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the
Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time


So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true
fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with
ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do

what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to
kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms

about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand.

What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some
Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's
hideout. It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any > troops to
Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not
likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim
nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world
war between Islam and the West.



And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants.
That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements.

It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It

might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into
Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a
holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left

to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's

probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean,
but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs
but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?


Tamim Ansary

*********************************************


Dear Barbara,


The terror in New York and Washington forces you to choose your reaction
consciously or unconsciously. The violence that we saw today was the
consequence of unconscious choices -- choices driven by pain, fear, and
desperation. Who among us has not experienced pain, fear and desperation?
Who
among us will not experience them in the future? The question of whether
they
will determine your responses to the circumstances of your life, no matter
how painful, is critical, because your future depends upon it.


I hope that these thoughts will be helpful to you.


Love,


Gary



**********************


COMPASSION AND REVENGE


The attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are

occasions of great significance. They are opportunities for

you to feel inside, to find those parts of yourself that are

in fear, and to make the decision to move forward in your life

without fear. That is the challenge for each individual on

this planet today. The pursuit of external power - the ability

to manipulate and control - creates only violence and

destruction. The painful events in New York and Washington are

living examples of that reality.


The causal chain that created this violence is one in which

compassion and wisdom are absent. Are wisdom and compassion

present in you as you watch the television, and read the

papers? It is important to realize that you do not know all

that came to conclusion, or into karmic balance, as a result

of these events. Because you are not able to know all that can

be known about them, you are not in a position to judge them.


When you are able to look at the events of the Earth School

from this perspective, you will see clearly the central

importance of the role that you play in it. That role is this:

It is for you to decide what you will contribute to this world.

Many will be asking your opinion of these events. Each question

is an opportunity for you to contribute to the love that is in

the world or to the fear that is in the world. This is the same

opportunity that presents itself to you at each moment.


If you hate those who hate, you become like them. You add to the

violence and the destructive energy that now fills our world. As

you make the decision to see with clarity and compassion, you

will see that those who committed these acts of violence were in

extreme pain themselves, and that they were fueled by the

violent parts of ourselves - the parts that judge without mercy,

strike in anger, and rejoice in the suffering of others. They

were our proxy representatives. If you can look with compassion

upon those who have suffered and those who have committed acts

of cruelty alike, then you will see that all are suffering. The

remedy for suffering is not to inflict more suffering.


This is an opportunity for a massive expression of compassion.

It is also an opportunity for a massive expression of revenge.

Which world do you intend to live in -- a world of revenge or a

world of compassion?


**********************

[Aaron Elder]

Thanks for the informative post David. things are clearer now.
Aaron


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Subject: [asc2k] Afghani Perspective
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:19:10 -0400

I got this from my friend Francis here in VB. I think it is very astute and
shows us why the Code of Hammurabi can't work in this case.

Peace be with you -

- David




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[jasonx3001@...]

David,

I second that motion. Thank you. It is very difficult for us to get a
clear understanding of the situation. Your post has been very
helpful. I only wish more people were made aware of that information
although the way the television coverage had gone so far, I'm not
holding my breath. The thing that disturbs me most is, why isn't
that "perspective" explained, conveyed to the American public? So
many hours of coverage, yet not one piece containing the informationi
in your post. The real crime is if that information is not
communicated and we begin to see bombing take place indiscriminately.
I pray that is not the case.

jason

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> Thanks for the informative post David. things are clearer now.
> Aaron
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "David Wilcock" <djw333@e...>
> Subject: [asc2k] Afghani Perspective
> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:19:10 -0400
>
> I got this from my friend Francis here in VB. I think it is very
astute and
> shows us why the Code of Hammurabi can't work in this case.
>
> Peace be with you -
>
> - David
>
>
>
>
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[JIM FERGUSON]

I am not from Afgani but I had already decided that what Tamim wrote of the
motives for the attack was exactly what the Taliban hopes for.We are at the
crossroads again,we must choose our path carefully.Why not choose the path
of peace and love for a change and see what happens?As a country we can
always choose the other path at a later time.I personally do not believed
God raised this country up to go down this path of distruction.As nations
go,this country is the light of the world in this dark time.We need to pray
fervently that the correct path will be lighted for this country to follow.
Sodom & Gomorrah could have been saved for 10 righteous people.How many
does it take to save a world?I for one will continue to pray for
peace,love,compassion & wisdom for our country in handling this situation.We
wrestle not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickiness in
heavenly places.It is against these fallen lords that we do our battle.
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> I got this from my friend Francis here in VB. I think it is very astute
and
> shows us why the Code of Hammurabi can't work in this case.
>
> Peace be with you -
>
> - David
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> The following was sent to me by my friend Tamim Ansary. Tamim
>
> is an Afghani-American writer. He is also one of the most brilliant
> people I know in this life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I
> listen.
>
> Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we are in.
>
> -Gary T.
>
> >
>
> Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread:
>
>
> I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the
> Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would
> mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this
> atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage.
>
> What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing
> whether we "have the belly to do what must be done."
>
>
> And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am
> from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never
> lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will
> listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.
>
>
> I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no
> doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in
> New
> York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters.
>
>
>
> But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the
> government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics
> who
> took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a
> plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden,
think
> Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in
> the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had
> nothing to do with this atrocity.
>
> They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if
> someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats
> nest of international thugs holed up in their country.
>
>
> Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban?
> The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated,
> suffering.
>
> A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000
> disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food.
>
> There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these
> widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines,
>
> the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the
> reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.
>
>
> We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone
Age.
> Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make
the
> Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses?
>
> Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their
> hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from
medicine
> and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that.
>
> New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at
> least
> get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban
eat,
> only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide.
Maybe
> the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too
> fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and
dropping
> bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this
> horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the
> Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been raping all this
time
>
>
> So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with
true
> fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with
> ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do
>
> what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to
> kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms
>
> about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand.
>
> What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because
some
> Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's
> hideout. It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any > troops
to
> Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not
> likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other
Muslim
> nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a
world
> war between Islam and the West.
>
>
>
> And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he
wants.
> That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements.
>
> It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It
>
> might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into
> Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a
> holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left
>
> to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's
>
> probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean,
> but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs
> but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?
>
>
> Tamim Ansary
>
> *********************************************
>
>
> Dear Barbara,
>
>
> The terror in New York and Washington forces you to choose your reaction
> consciously or unconsciously. The violence that we saw today was the
> consequence of unconscious choices -- choices driven by pain, fear, and
> desperation. Who among us has not experienced pain, fear and desperation?
> Who
> among us will not experience them in the future? The question of whether
> they
> will determine your responses to the circumstances of your life, no matter
> how painful, is critical, because your future depends upon it.
>
>
> I hope that these thoughts will be helpful to you.
>
>
> Love,
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> **********************
>
>
> COMPASSION AND REVENGE
>
>
> The attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are
>
> occasions of great significance. They are opportunities for
>
> you to feel inside, to find those parts of yourself that are
>
> in fear, and to make the decision to move forward in your life
>
> without fear. That is the challenge for each individual on
>
> this planet today. The pursuit of external power - the ability
>
> to manipulate and control - creates only violence and
>
> destruction. The painful events in New York and Washington are
>
> living examples of that reality.
>
>
> The causal chain that created this violence is one in which
>
> compassion and wisdom are absent. Are wisdom and compassion
>
> present in you as you watch the television, and read the
>
> papers? It is important to realize that you do not know all
>
> that came to conclusion, or into karmic balance, as a result
>
> of these events. Because you are not able to know all that can
>
> be known about them, you are not in a position to judge them.
>
>
> When you are able to look at the events of the Earth School
>
> from this perspective, you will see clearly the central
>
> importance of the role that you play in it. That role is this:
>
> It is for you to decide what you will contribute to this world.
>
> Many will be asking your opinion of these events. Each question
>
> is an opportunity for you to contribute to the love that is in
>
> the world or to the fear that is in the world. This is the same
>
> opportunity that presents itself to you at each moment.
>
>
> If you hate those who hate, you become like them. You add to the
>
> violence and the destructive energy that now fills our world. As
>
> you make the decision to see with clarity and compassion, you
>
> will see that those who committed these acts of violence were in
>
> extreme pain themselves, and that they were fueled by the
>
> violent parts of ourselves - the parts that judge without mercy,
>
> strike in anger, and rejoice in the suffering of others. They
>
> were our proxy representatives. If you can look with compassion
>
> upon those who have suffered and those who have committed acts
>
> of cruelty alike, then you will see that all are suffering. The
>
> remedy for suffering is not to inflict more suffering.
>
>
> This is an opportunity for a massive expression of compassion.
>
> It is also an opportunity for a massive expression of revenge.
>
> Which world do you intend to live in -- a world of revenge or a
>
> world of compassion?
>
>
> **********************
>
>
>
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