Charles Hall

[Joy Fox]

Hello All!

I am relatively new to the group. I was very interested in what Mr. Hall had to
say. He is a very credentialed individual, and he speaks well on this recording.
I ordered his 1st book so I could learn more about his experiences. I appreciate
the heads up on the two links (BTW they worked fine for me on 1st try-- I
believe the WMA format is coded for Microsoft media player only, which may have
caused MAC users some problems without a good conversion method).

I still have to be skeptical, and ask questions like -- what does Mr. Hall have
to gain from this public dissemination of information? He does mention that he
is out of a job -- he does mention his books a lot throughout the narrative.
Does anyone else have anything to ask that might make the material he presents
less likely to be true?

Thanks! Joy

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[srachele2004]

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> Does anyone else have anything to ask that might make the material
he > presents less likely to be true?

Dear Joy,

The information is most likely true, but not very relevant to the
purposes of this group. If these beings are, in fact, as Mr. Hall
describes, they would be fourth density, with only a limited
understanding of the principles of Law of One and spiritual evolution.
The beings of the Confederation (Ra and others) have love for all life
and evolution of awareness as their central premise. The "tall whites"
seem to be more ego-centered, with only a little "do unto others"
philosophy woven in. Also, more highly evolved ETs would likely not be
working with any branch of any government directly, due to
non-interference policies.

--Sal

[jha_amin]

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wrote:
>
>
> --- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=3iEo_wr1ZzwBi-I40Xj6Uc9OQLwnm0xZv3nBo8J2FCDojZwAacYdHF_9QExQ_nGx _MKCSabNAFWhbkWO), Joy Fox <foxprojoy@y...> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone else have anything to ask that might make the
material
> he > presents less likely to be true?
>
> Dear Joy,
>
> The information is most likely true, but not very relevant to the
> purposes of this group. If these beings are, in fact, as Mr. Hall
> describes, they would be fourth density, with only a limited
> understanding of the principles of Law of One and spiritual
evolution.

Question please...why would these beings be 4d? Wouldn't 4d, being
supposedly more advanced, have a better idea of what the score is
(law of one) than we 3d beings?

thanks
glen
>
> --Sal

[srachele2004]

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> Question please...why would these beings be 4d? Wouldn't 4d, being
> supposedly more advanced, have a better idea of what the score is
> (law of one) than we 3d beings?
>
> thanks
> glen

Dear Glen,

That would certainly be true for the general populace, but asc2k is
not the general populace. There are many members in this group that
are here on Earth solely to help others advance their understanding of
the LoO principles. We are called "Wanderers" by the Ra complex. Many
of us volunteered to drop from 6th density to 3rd in order to
participate in this exciting time. We are now remembering and
returning. I'm sure Lesley or someone can find an appropriate quote
from the material.

--Sal

[jha_amin]

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wrote:
>
>
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>
> > Question please...why would these beings be 4d? Wouldn't 4d,
being
> > supposedly more advanced, have a better idea of what the score
is
> > (law of one) than we 3d beings?
> >
> > thanks
> > glen
>
> Dear Glen,
>
> That would certainly be true for the general populace, but asc2k is
> not the general populace. There are many members in this group that
> are here on Earth solely to help others advance their
understanding of
> the LoO principles. We are called "Wanderers" by the Ra complex.
Many
> of us volunteered to drop from 6th density to 3rd in order to
> participate in this exciting time. We are now remembering and
> returning. I'm sure Lesley or someone can find an appropriate quote
> from the material.
>
> --Sal

Yes...I understand there would be wanderers here.
What i do not understnad is why would the "whites" be 4d?
thanks
glen

[Lesley Schultz]

Dear Glen, Sal, et al Otherselves:

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> wrote: Question please...why would these beings be
4d? Wouldn't 4d, being supposedly more advanced, have
a better idea of what the score is (law of one) than
we 3d beings?
> >
thanks
glen

Sal wrote:

Dear Glen,That would certainly be true for the general
populace, but asc2k is not the general populace. There
are many members in this group that
are here on Earth solely to help others advance
their understanding of the LoO principles. We are
called "Wanderers" by the Ra complex.

LS writes: Those of Ra say a good bit in Books I and
II about what Wanderers are and where they come from,
and why they're here. Also, Carla wrote a book called
"The Wanderer's Handbook," which talks on the subject
at considerable length. A big part of Wandering in 3D
is trying to remember who we are and why we are here,
also what we can do to help and what we were here to
learn. The Wanderer accepts the veil of forgetting
when they take on a mission, and this causes the
entity to not remember any of the hard-won lessons
they've attained not only in the millions of years
that they've enjoyed awareness, but also whatever they
manage to re-remember from one incarnation in 3D to
the next. The Wanderer also accepts life in a body
that is much more dense and less full of life than the
one they have enjoyed at the higher densities.

Imagine, if you will, waking up one morning and
finding yourself alive in the body of a primate. You
brain is not capable of many of the things that just
yesterday you could do easily. Soon you forget that
you could ever write poetry, do advanced mathematics,
etc. You can't even walk upright- your body isn't
fashioned for that. You can't speak, because you
don't have the vocal apparatus. Bigger, stronger
primates beat up on you all the time. Your own family
of primates ostracize you because you're so different.
Soon, being human is just a distant memory. Yet,
your essential nature remains intact. From time to
time you nurse a baby squirrel or a bird or other
jungle animal whose mother died and make it able to
survive. Sometimes you can help other primates survive
attacks from other animals. You share your food with
a sick primate relative who in earlier times used to
pull your ears and be mean to you. These are small
things, maybe foolish things in terms of primate goals
to survive in a primate's world, but they are terribly
important to the evolution of your planet.

And remember, this is just one density step down.
Imagine what it must be for a fifth or sixth or
seventh density entity to serve in 3rd density. The
only force in the universe powerful enough to motivate
that kind of service is boundless, incandescent love.

We are loved more than we can ever possibly imagine.

good journey,
~lesley



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[jha_amin]

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> Dear Glen, Sal, et al Otherselves:
>
>
> Imagine, if you will, waking up one morning and
> finding yourself alive in the body of a primate. You
> brain is not capable of many of the things that just
> yesterday you could do easily. Soon you forget that
> you could ever write poetry, do advanced mathematics,
> etc. You can't even walk upright- your body isn't
> fashioned for that. You can't speak, because you
> don't have the vocal apparatus. Bigger, stronger
> primates beat up on you all the time. Your own family
> of primates ostracize you because you're so different.
> Soon, being human is just a distant memory. Yet,
> your essential nature remains intact. From time to
> time you nurse a baby squirrel or a bird or other
> jungle animal whose mother died and make it able to
> survive. Sometimes you can help other primates survive
> attacks from other animals. You share your food with
> a sick primate relative who in earlier times used to
> pull your ears and be mean to you. These are small
> things, maybe foolish things in terms of primate goals
> to survive in a primate's world, but they are terribly
> important to the evolution of your planet.
> good journey,
> ~lesley

Well said, Lesley.

Although some wanderers in this cyber medium, because of their
exceeding brilliant minds, seem to do well at defending themselves
almost to the point of being the aggressor.

There are other ways to "beat up" someone.

All in all, though, I'm quite thankful for the 70 or 80 million
wanderers and I have great admiration toward any soul that would take
on such a mission.

thanks
glen

btw.......my question was....why soes Sal think the "whites" are 4d.

[Erik]

Yes...I understand there would be wanderers here.
What i do not understnad is why would the "whites" be 4d?
thanks
glen

Erik: When one trusts the testemonies of Charles Hall and one feels resonance
with Sala's analyses ( owner of ExoPolitics), it becomes obvious that what
Charles Hall refers to as tallwhites are entities that are presumebly of a 4D
sts nature:

They operate inside the military-complex of humankind.
They do not hesitate to kill.
They seem to be inside the pecking-order of the sts-hiearchy.

As a side note i would like to mention that all this stuff is of an extremely
transient nature.






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