Astronomers Enter Mayan Calendar Debate

[Light Eye]

Dear Friends,

Dec. 21st 2012 here we come ;-)

http://www.astro.uu.nl/~strous/AA/en/2012.html

Love and Light.

David

Astronomy Answers
21 December 2012
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On 21 December 2012 the Long Count of the calendar of the Mayas will start back
at 0.0.0.0.0 again (see the Historical Calendar Page), and some people expect
special sights in the sky because of this. Concerning 21 December 2012 and the
calendar of the Mayas, I've heard the claims that I list below, with hints that
these claims are extraordinary. However, all of them are wrong or at least not
very special.

The Sun is then in conjunction with the intersection of the ecliptic and the
Milky Way for the first time in 26,000 years.
The Sun is then in conjunction with the center of the Milky Way for the first
time in 26,000 years.
The vernal equinox then crosses the center line of the Milky Way for the
first time in 26,000 years.
These conjunctions happen at sunrise.
The planets are then in remarkable positions.
We cross the plane of the Milky Way to the other side then.
The Mayas knew the precession of the equinoxes and knew that five times the
period of 13 baktuns of the Long Count was equal to the period of the precession
of the equinoxes.
The Mayas designed their calendar just so that the Long Count would restart
on 21 December 2012, because they knew that that would be a special day.
The Mayas used amazingly accurate astronomical knowledge to make their
calendar, and that is why even nowadays special things happen in the sky when
the date in their calendar is round.




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[Graeme]

Er...

Doesn't this demolish a load of the stuff about the 2012 solstice on
David Wilcock's website? I mean, I'm saying that even though I wish
it didn't - but if the astronomical assertions are hogwash, and there
is no certain date for the start of the long count calendar anyway,
where does that leave us?

I guess it leaves us with the same basic reality. We must heal
ourselves and the world. I don't need prophecies in order to know the
worth of meditation and love.

Graeme x

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wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> Dec. 21st 2012 here we come ;-)

[Brian Cox]

i wouldnt be so quick to assume these websites' claims are true,
either. the "once a year" alignment claim is saying the sun passes
through the ecliptic of the milky way once a year. that's not the
point. the sun is ON the ecliptic of the milky way all the time,
that's why it's the ecliptic plane (all of the stars of the milky way
are always contained in this 2D plane).

the important alignment is of the ecliptic plane *angle* of the milky
way to the ecliptic plane angle of our solar system, literally when
our angle is "in phase" with the galaxy's. we are always on the
ecliptic plane, but our phase angle only lines up twice in each
precession, as i recall.

i dont think the author truly understands the alignments at all.

in electrical engineering, you calculate "maximum power transfer" when
phase angle = 0, when two waves are in phase with each other then the
node alignments promote maximum efficiency...same thing with the
ecliptic alignments. the instreaming HD energy reaches its max
power transfer rate at the exact phase alignment of our planetary
system's electromagnetic/HD field with the EB/HD field of the galaxy,
which is postulated as the 12/21/2012 date in David's work.



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>
> Doesn't this demolish a load of the stuff about the 2012 solstice on
> David Wilcock's website?

[Filip Van Droogenbroeck]

Hi Brian and everybody else :)

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>
> the important alignment is of the ecliptic plane *angle* of the milky
> way to the ecliptic plane angle of our solar system, literally when
> our angle is "in phase" with the galaxy's. we are always on the
> ecliptic plane, but our phase angle only lines up twice in each
> precession, as i recall.

What do you mean with in phase? The ecliptic plane of the milky way
cuts the ecliptic plane of our solar system always.
A drawing would be helpfull ey :)
The ecliptic plane of the milky way cuts the ecliptic plane of our
solar system in the area of sagittarius.
Like in 21 12 2012 the sun is supposed to be in conjunction with the
center of the milky way but it's still 5 degree's of and every year
the sun is in conjunction with the center of the milky way according
to the astronomer.
John major jenkins says that on 21 12 2012 the sun stands exactly in
the center of the cross that the ecliptic plane of the milky way makes
with the ecliptic plane of our solar system and the center of this
cross is also the center of the milky way according to him. But it
seems this isn't so special and the center is still some degrees of.

I'll have to read JMJ his book 2012 maya cosmogenis again cause he
said something about how it was the exact center but I can't remember
his arguments.
Also JMJ said that the sun will cross the center line of the milky way
on that day but it seems like this already happened in the beginning
of 1999 unless the maya's took another center line for the milky way
then we do but I think JMJ took the same line as we do now.
So it's kind of confusing to hear all this stuff and wich one to
believe cause my own astronomical knowledge is to small to check this
although there are some cool pc programs out there that can show the
star system in the future etc but they are expensive.

It could be wrong how the astronomer interprets the data or how I
interpret it but it would be helpfull to hear someone that has more
knowledge about this like David or John Major Jenkins :)

peace & joy
filip

[Graeme]

Hi,

This would be more convincing - are you sure of it? And how about
some of the other claims re the eclipse of the galactic centre by the
sun? It also occured to me that if true, this would occur for the
Earth only, not for any of the other planets. Is this a problem?

It would be good to get to the bottom of this - I'm one of those kooky
'you have to show me evidence' guys ;-D

Graeme x

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we are always on the ecliptic plane, but our phase angle only lines up
twice in each precession, as i recall.