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NEIL HADDON
08-09-2004, 02:15 AM
Zee reminded us:
"Remember the New Testament advocacy:
"Judge not, that ye be not judged".

It seems to me that much of what the group has been exercising itself with
recently has to do with 'judgement'.
Several times, Ra mentions the difficulties caused by the myriad nuances
available in our spoken language, and it is not easy to pin down the exact
meaning we have of 'judgement'. Perhaps " condemnation" relating to
'other-selves' is the most evocative term.

Third density, we are told, is about 'choice' and is pivotal to future growth.
We make our choice through judgement based upon experience. If we can benefit
from another-self's experience - either 'positive' or 'negative' (our judgement)
is this not to our advantage? This involves observing another's
experience/behaviour, and deciding whether we agree or disagree with it as
something to adopt into our own code of conduct.
I believe the essential thing is to be grateful for the benefit of learning from
the observation, to remember that the other-self *is* self having the experience
- and therefore that 'judgement' is upon self ("Lest ye be judged, judge not"
as Wally Minto put it), and that at the end of the day it is a *choice* - it is
not 'right' nor 'wrong', - and who are we to know the difference anyway, for we
must accept our ignorance to grow beyond this realm.

In that context then, we should also give credence to Daniel's point that we
should not "settle for stagnation by trying to shut out all but
the most soothing voices."
To quote Edgar Cayce,
" Man may not have the same IDEA. Man - ALL men - may have the same IDEAL!... "
Back to Daniel, to paraphrase, 'if sincere contributions ... make someone
uncomfortable then who really has the problem?'
I cannot count the times I have taken offence, grown angry and dismissive of
another's 'judgement' of me or something I've done, only to realise - sometimes
years afterwards - that that very criticism helped me to grow, taught me a
valuable lesson, added to my realisation (memory?) of who I am. We should
celebrate our differences - of opinion and outlook as well as culture,
lifestyle, race, beliefs.

The key is assertion, not aggression.

We should also remember that in doing a most valuable service to us all, at no
little cost to herself in time and attention if nothing else, Chris also has to
make judgement calls within the framework of what the group is about. She
volunteered to be Moderator, to keep the group going, and maintaining the
integrity of the group must occasionally require tough decisions - "Lord, let me
walk a mile in another man's moccasins...." I'm sure her intent is for the
greater good, and that's good enough for me.

Love.
Neil



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GenoNess1@...
08-09-2004, 11:39 AM
I have some interesting ideas on the thought of 'judgement' and
interpretation of nuances of witten language. it is based on this - some say
that
'enlightenment' is being able to sit alone in a room for 10 minutes without
getting
bored. They also say that true bliss lies in the focus of attention WITHOUT
thought - a pure mind holds more appreciation, a mind with no 'boundaries' can
hold
an infinite amount of perception, etc. Think of it this way - your thoughts
are like water. your 'mind' holds the water as a container. But if your mind is
of a fluid-like nature, you 'become' the water. What this has to do with
judegment, is that i believe any THOUGHT put towards gaining perception of
someone
or something, is like trying to contain the water to a certain shape -
judgement is the state of thought, of chasing after the truth - non-judgement is
the
state of acceptance, of ALLOWING the truth. so to me the word 'judgement'
holds many nuances that run deep, all the way into the source of your BEING -
the
nature of your thoughts. Love, Kyle!


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McNulty, Michael
08-09-2004, 05:16 PM
Thanks Neil, you mentioned some interesting points to ponder. I believe
that judging if a certain behavior is resonate for myself is different than
judging another. I am an artist who loves to work with clay because I
resonate to that medium. I have friends who are artist who work in
different mediums. Those mediums do not excite me, do not resonate with my
soul, do not make my heart sing as clay does. That is my choice. The
others choose paint or stone. None is better or worst than the other,
except for the individual doing the choosing, i.e., stone would be a "bad"
choice for me since it doesn't pluck my strings. If I am judged my another
and feel attached by it, I know I have an issue that I haven't resolved and
need to look at that. For me the judging isn't the cause of any growth in
myself, but my reaction to being judged.

Love,
Michael

From: NEIL HADDON [mailto:wayshower@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=aUos8umCITCZ4OAONZJiX_6h3yu-Rvr0H4vgPUm8Acp7jofFnL7EYJulWB2Yl3uYauJvBj1IpENOoz d0ihqi)]
Zee reminded us:
"Remember the New Testament advocacy:
"Judge not, that ye be not judged".

It seems to me that much of what the group has been exercising itself with
recently has to do with 'judgement'.
Love.
Neil

protoplasmicorganism
08-16-2004, 10:31 PM
--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=JW5OH4QY6NuaGmBL_Zs_gNI-K6lczBxCGOM8QRn9lMzP2nOudy3ommh_7I47lnp13lSMbhJUxm 9F8Cc), GenoNess1@a... wrote:
> judgement is the state of thought,
of chasing after the truth - non-judgement
is the state of acceptance, of ALLOWING the truth.


A great suggestion
seems that Judgment
is a means of balancing
a closed heart on the
way toward opening the
heart - a shortcut to
Acceptance yet with the
risk of getting stuck
within a path which is
difficult to open the
heart - hence the idea
of non-Judgment promotes
the idea of changing
paths toward greater
love and happiness;
(not answering questions
is another way of
suggesting path change.)

Kay Dayss
08-17-2004, 12:12 PM
Dear Proto,

Your sharing is brilliant! Thank you! Yes, I can see the key now, the key
to unlock the slammed doors of judgment. It helps me to cease judging the
judgers when I see that judgment is not good/bad but just another burden
that makes the journey to unity more difficult.

Something else just came to me as a gift from the Universe. I like to focus
on positives, so it occurs to me that the opposite of judgment (a separating
energy) is not non-judgment, which to me is just "trying" not to judge. The
opposite of judgment is compassion (seeing the humanity of another and
feeling our oneness). I felt this very strongly last night while watching
the movie, "Monster".

Thank you dear one!
Kay

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A great suggestion
seems that Judgment
is a means of balancing
a closed heart on the
way toward opening the
heart - a shortcut to
Acceptance yet with the
risk of getting stuck
within a path which is
difficult to open the
heart - hence the idea
of non-Judgment promotes
the idea of changing
paths toward greater
love and happiness;
(not answering questions
is another way of
suggesting path change.)

detlef
08-17-2004, 03:36 PM
Kay:
> Something else just came to me as a gift from the Universe. I like to focus
> on positives, so it occurs to me that the opposite of judgment (a separating
> energy) is not non-judgment, which to me is just "trying" not to judge. The
> opposite of judgment is compassion (seeing the humanity of another and
> feeling our oneness). I felt this very strongly last night while watching
> the movie, "Monster".

And so it is.

Detlef



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