Apologies for Unity

[GenoNess1@...]

In a message dated 8/7/2004 9:03:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
chris.hamilton2@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=TUwEwo9P3B-4_ch7WkBqT85AT-lEDxYoKWNe3sdKqohpf5UCC0F9w4ijUWDcnE_cFYh9EN_39_TS 12ssh0i_k7z6PrBl) writes:
In expressing his view, he is teaching separateness, not Unity.

I disagree. I view his expressions as expressions of unity. It is only when
we are contained by separation that we are not able to see Unity everywhere we
go. So who is separating? I say niether. Win-Win! Love, Kyle!


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[Chris Hamilton]

When we study the Law of One, it is always with the intent of learning more
about love/light and how to distill this in our lives. We keep this in mind as
we deal with otherselves, realizing we are all actually just One. With that in
mind, I apologize to all of you for releasing Jason's posts. In expressing his
view, he is teaching separateness, not Unity. He is putting himself on one side
of the fence and saying that those on the other side aren't him, when according
to Ra there is no difference. I apologize to all of you hurt by his remarks, for
when one is hurt, we are all wounded. Discussion of whether homosexuality is
right or wrong does not belong on this site and the thread will not be
continued. If any of you want to continue your conversations with Jason, please
email him privately. Thank you, Chris

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[Lesley Schultz]

Dear Kyle and Chris, L/L & Peace to ALL:

Chris, I appreciated your message very much as there
was much opportunity for things to get out of hand
during that discussion. However, I think we can say
three things about the whole situation: 1) There are
no accidents- there was a reason or a good
teach/learning experience to be had out of it, 2)
although the issue is a potentially contentious one,
it is one that people do think about and the responses
to the thread showed that the people on this list can
be gentle and kind about responses, even when there is
strong disagreement and 3) it showed us how far we've
come in trying to embrace what we do not necessarily
understand.

We are ONE, and all of us know what self-doubt and
internal conflict feels like. It feels like and
sounds like the traffic on this list sometimes. If
there is no internal dialogue or considerations of
different aspects of situations when they arise, then
there is no growth going on.

Still, while this is a discussion forum where we
discuss many things related to the Ra Material, the
Law of One and DW's work, a hot topic like a thread
about homosexuality is one that kind of tests the
boundries. Thanks for thinking of the peace and
harmony of the list, Chris and the greater goals of
learn/teaching the Law of One.

Blessings,
~lesley



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[raistlinflux]

I tend to agree with the above posters. I think there is indeed a
fine line when debates such as this occur, when rudeness and an
obvious disregard for the ideas of others and a lack of cooperation
is evident, then it should be stopped.

Yet "kicking" someone out just because he strongly disagrees with
other's beliefs is not what we should be doing. We need to see both
sides of the story as long (as I said above) a certain threshold of
rudeness and disrespect of others is not stepped over.

I think we are a very civilized discussion board overall, thanks to
the moderators too, but we need to be careful (especially you guys
who take care of this forum) not to see only the good part of the
story. How would we know happiness if we didn't know suffering? How
could we know what is right if we never heard what is wrong? And how
could we ever understand the light, if we were never in the darkness.
So it is my belief that incidents like that must not be shut off
completely, yet must be discussed (just like we're doing now) and
thought through. So you're on the right track but there's always
things in the road and we need to see how to overpass all of them
safely, just pushing everything aside may not always be the best
solution.

So there, that's my view on it!

love is all
Vlad

[Jason Wharton]

I believe I have been impeccably respectful and sincere in my willingness to
receive comments and feedback from others. I believe I have demonstrated a
willingness to listen to what others have given and truly taken it to heart.
I believe I have shown personal respect to all individuals on this list in
spite of holding different viewpoints than some.

I clearly see there are those who's posts are not moderated who have spoken
in my behalf suggesting that I am being unjustly dealt with. I feel in my
bones that injustice has been administered to me. I also feel a great sense
of loss since I spent many hours on some material that is being denied, even
though it does not break any rules of the list and gives deeper insight into
my feelings and conceptions of oneness and the Law of One as conceived by
Ra.

I believe I am being discriminated against unjustly and hypocritically.

I request you respond to me in private for every post of mine that you are
denying with a detailed explanation as to why you are rejecting it.

Regards,
Jason Wharton

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hamilton [mailto:chris.hamilton2@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=Cp4h609PFaTvxNluR3nCIG3jS9l87IgVWhzqp8 jr8s0SfMhoBZTkGC96BXRem9iXSnBKS3NH_fiE-ZrW0d89IhnK)]
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Subject: [asc2k] Apologies for Unity


When we study the Law of One, it is always with the intent of learning more
about love/light and how to distill this in our lives. We keep this in mind
as we deal with otherselves, realizing we are all actually just One. With
that in mind, I apologize to all of you for releasing Jason's posts. In
expressing his view, he is teaching separateness, not Unity. He is putting
himself on one side of the fence and saying that those on the other side
aren't him, when according to Ra there is no difference. I apologize to all
of you hurt by his remarks, for when one is hurt, we are all wounded.
Discussion of whether homosexuality is right or wrong does not belong on
this site and the thread will not be continued. If any of you want to
continue your conversations with Jason, please email him privately. Thank
you, Chris

[Mary]

Chris,

It's a sore subject for me all right, because of everything I've been through
with a close friend who is gay. However, I think this topic coming up here was
a good way for me to try to deal with someone - who I don't know who is
upsetting me - kindly and with love. I am really new to the Law of One, but it
makes more sense to me than anything else. And I am trying to learn to live my
life that way, and while I'm not that good at it yet, I guess I get as long as I
need to figure it out!!! :-) And I tried to remember that Jason is also one
and that if I hurt him I hurt myself, and everyone else. But still I hoped to
get him to think about what he was saying. So there are cetainly no hard
feelings on my part that you sent his posts through, and no need to apologize as
far as I'm concerned. And maybe sometimes we need an example of what
seperateness IS so that we can check ourselves? Sometimes I feel like our
entire society is built on putting other people down so that we can feel better
about ourselves . . . and I slip back into that now and again and I try to
watch myself. I truly believe that NOT indulging in that kind of thing raises
everyone up, and that's what unity is about, right?

:-)

Mary
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From: Chris Hamilton
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Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 10:05 AM
Subject: [asc2k] Apologies for Unity


When we study the Law of One, it is always with the intent of learning more
about love/light and how to distill this in our lives. We keep this in mind as
we deal with otherselves, realizing we are all actually just One. With that in
mind, I apologize to all of you for releasing Jason's posts. In expressing his
view, he is teaching separateness, not Unity. He is putting himself on one side
of the fence and saying that those on the other side aren't him, when according
to Ra there is no difference. I apologize to all of you hurt by his remarks, for
when one is hurt, we are all wounded. Discussion of whether homosexuality is
right or wrong does not belong on this site and the thread will not be
continued. If any of you want to continue your conversations with Jason, please
email him privately. Thank you, Chris

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[Daniel Moeck]

Chris & group,

I really do appreciate the great job Chris does when she moderates and I
know she has a strict set of guidelines to follow. But I want to endorse
some of what Jason says here about his posts being denied because it is my
experience as well. I usually feel some level of hurt or anger when my
posts are rejected. I would ask for a personal explanation from Chris too
but I know she is probably too busy to reply on all such requests. So I am
left with the knowledge in my own heart that my post was sincere and based
in love but is not considered worthy for reasons I can only guess at. Maybe
because it slipped too far into the gray area of being off-topic, or, maybe
because I don't choose to wrap my posts in perfunctory phrases confirming
"love and light". My mind is left to wander through all kinds of paranoid
thoughts of my inadequacy or someone else's prejudice against me. Sometimes
I am left with an unshakable impression that the deeper study of The Law of
One is being jealously guarded by a select few.

Maintaining a decorum of respect, decency, and staying on topic is an
obvious must for any forum to be truly successful. But when the main topic
is LoO shouldn't sincere contributions on all sides of any related issue be
welcome? If it makes someone uncomfortable then who really has the problem?
Real growth is about facing one's dark side, not just hanging out in
perpetual artificial bliss.

I know I tend to come across with rough edges in a setting like asc2k. But
please, everyone, don't settle for stagnation by trying to shut out all but
the most soothing voices. It takes real courage and hard work for people
like Jason and myself to post some of the controversial things that we do.
Speaking for myself, I do it to grow and learn more about how LoO works in
my own life. And this is the best gift I have to give the world right now.

The love that I received back from OzarkMark in our recent exchange where I
offended him helped me tremendously in my own growth. If I had been
censored that time we both would have missed something valuable. I think
the deepest lessons of love can only be absorbed by experience (and in this
dimension that has certainly never been a cake walk). Just saying the
pretty words never really gets it done.

Daniel Moeck



At 02:34 AM 8/8/2004, you wrote:

>I believe I have been impeccably respectful and sincere in my willingness to
>receive comments and feedback from others. I believe I have demonstrated a
>willingness to listen to what others have given and truly taken it to heart.
>I believe I have shown personal respect to all individuals on this list in
>spite of holding different viewpoints than some.
>Regards,
>Jason Wharton

>From: Chris Hamilton [mailto:chris.hamilton2@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=jlKOyv4ab4bcyOIQcf4Hl_wakyT4wjcG2xw3zS siuVgu2Rdr_S5ZLjuhnDptuDqHKgbvdmPBG0lNzJvZhu7HigV4 ABE)]
>
>When we study the Law of One, it is always with the intent of learning more
>about love/light and how to distill this in our lives. Thank
>you, Chris
>

[Peter Duggan]

The law of One is about accepting our differences and moving to Unity in
that acceptance. To censor a viewpoint because it is based on separation and
judgement is also judging and separating. At what point do you draw the
line?



on 8/8/04 2:05 AM, Chris Hamilton at chris.hamilton2@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=IUK-xCPXZe_rolYukdRrLA3zhDLwb0uOPoSB6TnqF9fwVoT4TtNT_x AbY2-QKbHPjeyPOV1DXJz-Z06rCoqIFGejP5jt6w) wrote:

> When we study the Law of One, it is always with the intent of learning more
> about love/light and how to distill this in our lives. We keep this in mind as
> we deal with otherselves, realizing we are all actually just One. With that in
> mind, I apologize to all of you for releasing Jason's posts. In expressing his
> view, he is teaching separateness, not Unity. He is putting himself on one
> side of the fence and saying that those on the other side aren't him, when
> according to Ra there is no difference. I apologize to all of you hurt by his
> remarks, for when one is hurt, we are all wounded. Discussion of whether
> homosexuality is right or wrong does not belong on this site and the thread
> will not be continued. If any of you want to continue your conversations with
> Jason, please email him privately. Thank you, Chris

[Gail Sherman]

I am one that also has a problem in judging the judgers however it is a step
up for me. LOL
I had an emotional response to what Jason was saying, I had to get to a
quiet place before
responding to his post so I did not respond in anger. I have to admit that
his post took me by
surprise. I know that I have to look inside myself for the reasons for my
emotional response.
I do support Chris's decision and wisdom in deciding not to post certain
things. My post was
changed a little for reasons that Chris knows and it bothered me slightly
because it did
somewhat change the meaning of what I was trying to say. But I understand
the reasons and
accept them. We need to look inside ourselves if we have strong negative
emotional responses
to what is not posted as well as what is posted. Keep up the good work
Chris!


Gail Sherman

From: Peter Duggan [mailto:pdd2004@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=GSpOQS2TuY0WCBhztMhdBhKDFNBLJX8S2yyWBz JfwsOtIgPWhBbvpqGxt35688anCKCrC9noSog31pwHLZs5k6kH )]
The law of One is about accepting our differences and moving to Unity in
that acceptance. To censor a viewpoint because it is based on separation and
judgement is also judging and separating. At what point do you draw the
line?