Time and relationships

[darktemplarssj]

Ok, this is something I was thinking of today while cutting the
boxes in my summer factory job. It's been a while since i've read
the Ra material, like 8 monthes, so I don't clearly rememeber how
the concepts of time are broached. But after listening to Dave on
the Lou Gentelli show one line about this stuck in my head. It was
something like "in 4th density one has the ability to fastforward
and rewind linear time".

Now thinking about this there was something that made me uneasy,
something that didn't fit, something that I didn't understand. But
I couldn't identify it at first, and infact maybe it is many things,
but something of the dilemma did come to me.

How could you possibly have a relation with another entity if you
don't have a linear temporal base, how could the relationship
evolve? And if in that world there is this swirling shifting
timeline then I could see how one would look for something
perennial, something that could be found in all times to stabalize
the self; so as not to go mad. A new base. Because a base could not
be found in time anymore like 3rd density entities do. Then through
this is the relization of STS and STO. This is something that can
be applied anywhere and anytime.

Anyways, does anyone want to comment on how they forsee relationship
development in this 4th dimensional matrix of varigated time? I
know it's a tricky one to speak on but any light shed on this would
be helpful.

The only way I could see it would be that a relationship is always
perfectly open and a stranger is treated as a longtime friend
because there is less causality than there is here and relations can
not always be carried to their furthest ends.
Good Journey
-Dave

[Tony P.]

I tend to think of the concept of time as a progression of gravity.
That time is nothing more than a hidden dimension of space. That it's
a physical thing you can walk back and for on.

Here's how I see it. I could focus my consciousness on five apples or
one apple at once. After five relative unit seconds of observation,
the five apples would age one second. Or I could observe one apple
for five relative unit seconds of observation. This is my opinion and
assumption however.

I see that there has to be a relative time of myself. That no matter
what I'm doing, ticks occur for myself, no matter how fast other
stuff outside myself age. But if I focus all my consciousness on a
specific thing, whether it be me or a single other thing, I'm
ignoring a whole lot of the other stuff in the universe.

I don't know if that makes any sense, if not, I'll try again.

[Kay Dayss]

At first, my thought was that the assumption about being able to fast
forward and rewind time in 4th density was just plain incorrect because we
will still have a physical body in 4d. But then I realized that we have the
ability NOW in 3d to fast forward and rewind time. I've been doing it all my
life and calling it 'running a scenario' in my mind. Ever since I was a kid,
I'd set up a scenario either in the present or in the past and then "live
it" in thought. This was in fact what I called "thinking". When I was in my
20s, I went in for counseling and the guy wanted me to say everything that I
was thinking about. This was impossible for me because everything moves too
fast in thought. Later, after several sessions where I just sat there for an
hour saying nothing, I found out that most people think in words, not
scenarios.

So, regarding your question, I think this is what will happen in 4d. More
and more people will think in this scenario way and because we will have the
ability in 4d to communicate with each other telepathically, we'll be able
to have a "group think" scenario thinking. This means that we can be
conscious of relationships evolving simultaneously in many different
timelines, and we can choose the timelines we prefer to explore in depth.
This is really enlightening and it deepens and frees relationships. I also
used it to practice for the times I thought I would not be able to survive.
For example, I thought I would never be able to survive my mother's death,
so I practiced experiencing it in scenario thinking before she actually
died. Also, I know that they have tested this with basketball players and
found that those who practiced shooting hoops in their head using scenario
thinking did just as well as those who practiced their hoops physically.

This is also similar to the concept of reincarnation in that we all know
that all these "lives" are actually happening simultaneously as in reality
there is no such thing as time; there is only a single moment viewed from
many different perspectives. But because of our physical local lives, we
line up perspectives and call them "time".

So I see the ability to fast forward and rewind linear time as the ability
to step in and out of various timelines (probable timelines, simultaneous
lives, etc -- whatever you want to call them).

Also, even aside from scenario thinking, I've done this now in 3d, so I know
others can do it too, but it is rare. I did it through a kind of pulsing
energy where one split second I'm in one time/place and the next I'm in
another. But it only happened once when I was in a meditative state at my
cabin in the total dark on an island surrounded by ocean water. It scared me
big time, so I've never tried to do it again. Perhaps in 4d, it will be
easier for us because we will be less likely to scare ourselves into
believing in the limitations that we live with in 3d.

Blessings,
Kay

----- Original Message -----
From: "darktemplarssj" <whited4@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=DA-G3rxup-LpXiG_KGnkOJ3gWVTOO-k7Jk_6Lz9ctxrxaS_Wx42Qa37OEMV1VETaOSuWw08)>

<snip> [David W. says that] "in 4th density one has the ability to
fastforward and rewind linear time".

<snip> How could you possibly have a relation with another entity if you
don't have a linear temporal base, how could the relationship
evolve?

[Lesley Schultz]

Dear Dave:

I just love your closing line, "Good Journey." What
an excellent wish for everyone! I wish we could bring
it into common use, so that instead of people saying
"Goodbye", which is short for "God be with you", we
could say "Good Journey."

--- darktemplarssj <whited4@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=VfeVHy6BE_58PoU1uAte4iqnoGV67UmfwcrmFU PjGtDvhkh67ao5KHW1mkoK47AsEhsycJzF2NspPw)> wrote:

>snip>> How could you possibly have a relation with
another entity if you don't have a linear temporal
base, how could the relationship evolve? And if in
that world there is this swirling shifting timeline
then I could see how one would look for something
perennial, something that could be found in all
times to stabalize the self; so as not to go mad. A
new base.

LS: Wow, that's a really interesting question. I've
never thought about this before. In time/space vs.
space/time, time is able to be manipulated, sped up or
slowed down, moved around-- but space is not. In
space time, we define time in terms of the distance
between events, and events take place in space. Time
goes one direction- forward. In time/space, space
does not require a definition outside of whatever time
gives it. I may be wrong about this, but my thinking
is that it might be something like sitting in a chair
in your living room and being able to move backwards
and forwards in time-- the chair doesn't move and
doesn't change-- but everything around it changes as
you go. Like sitting in a time machine and watching
the years pass as you move. You might be altered by
the experience of watching the passage of time, but
you have no power to alter anything that happens.

In fourth dimension, I'm guessing, our perception of
time becomes more fluid. Perhaps we can recall both
the future and the past. All of us, I think, have had
moments of deja vu, where we feel like a place is
strangely familiar or where we've "seen" events occur
before they happen. I think that this will become
much broader and more general. Since it will take
some time to become accustomed to the extra
information coming into our brains and the additional
sensory load, and we probably can't imagine it very
well right now, it's hard to say how destabilizing it
will be. It will probably be hard to handle at first.
Given the circumstances of early 4D as we think they
will be, our extra information might be used in
deciding how, where, when, with what, etc. a new
society will be built. Very practical applications.
It might become possible to observe an attractive
person across a street and think that it would be nice
to establish a relationship with that person-- and
then look ahead to a future time where maybe things
don't work out very well. Or that maybe they would
work out well, and be very fruitful, but very brief.
You could make a decision as to whether you cross the
street and introduce yourself or not. It could be
that, having some additional control over where your
life path goes, this new ability to see into the
future will add incredibility stability to our
emotional life.

I'm just guessing, of course. I really don't know.
But your question brought up another question: When
our cherised 2nd density animal pets become "vested"
with 3rd density consciousness, and they leave this
life and graduate to the new and wonderful world of
3rd density, at what point do they gain the guidence
of their 7th density Higher Self? Does the Higher
Self sort of formulate at the end of 2nd density and
then, when the 2nd density entity becomes able to
experience 3rd density, it crystalizes and its
consciousness guides the entity from then on?

I've read that there are a few types of helpers that
assist during a Harvest, such as is happening right
now. One class of helpers are octave-level entities
that are able to emit very, very precise love/light
vibrations, so that each entity can find the vibratory
level that is best and most appropriate for them.
There are other entities that stand by the entity
undergoing harvest, and assist them to find their way
to their best love/light vibration. The overriding
concern is to ensure that each entity being harvested
is brought to the very best place for it ["bounty
collected without bruise or blemish", as those of Ra
put it.] What role, if any, does a Higher Self play
in the Harvesting process?

This is a very personal issue for me, because on
Sunday I lost a very cherished 2nd density friend,
whom I'm pretty well convinced chose that moment in
time to leave the physical because she was ready for
3rd density, and now is a particularly auspicous time
to go ahead and 'graduate'. She had a great deal of
love/light around her, probably the most she'd ever
had, and the window of opportunity opened. [No, those
of you who know I am a pet parent of a elderly cat, it
was not my kitty but a dear canine friend named Kiwi.]
All of us that have been close to Kiwi are devasted
at the loss, but the manner of her passing, and the
timing of it, just seemed to suggest so much a
graduation into 3rd density that I couldn't ignore the
possibility. For those of you that are curious, Kiwi
was a chihauhua that was pecked on the head by a nasty
Canadian wild goose at the Lake where she was playing.
The peck got her on the soft spot on her skull and
she died almost instantaneously.
I'd been thinking for weeks that her eyes were looking
so "human" and conscious, she was so *smart*, with
almost human mannerisms....it looked like she was
ready to go on. I could see that she was ready,
although she loved her human caretakers. She left us
with adorable puppies to cherish, at least, to
ameliorate our great grief.

Sorry this post is so long.

Blessings, and Good Journey,
~lesley





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[muldurath]

Greetings,

As I seldom take the opportunity to post, being more of that of an
observer, I felt moved to write upon this particular point, as it
seems there will be greater vested interest in such, in a "time"
forthcoming.

It is within this explanation or analogy expressed here by Kay that
we may be touching closer to the truth. To say that one will be
able to move forward or backward in time, in this context of third
dimensionality, actually becomes a gross misunderstanding as the
very phraseology is limited within a linear scope.

Perhaps we can then settle upon this concept from a different
perspective that may help to widen the scope of what we truly may be
experiencing herein.

Consider the mechanics of human vision, for instance. Your eyes are
able to focus upon a singular point in which your concentration
resides upon a form of space that is, by comparison, more limited in
scope. You could be gazing upon a seed held within hand, or upon a
tiny grain of sand that has nestled itself upon your toes.

Now consider that your vision shifts and you see before you the
entire horizon. Within that grand expanse you see far and wide a
multitude of trees, or the brimming skyline of a city turning down
for a restful lull. Or then, perhaps, it is the very sky and the
stars in which you settle upon your sight, entracing you with
visions of the very heavens that expand before you.

Indeed, it is by your very perspective that you see a shift. And it
is in this that the true meaning of fourth density space/time can
then be perceived as the great experience of "All at Oneness".
Though there is that varying of greater or lesser degree in which
one experiences, it is still by perspective that one finds
themselves in one's experience.

As we begin upon that journey, it can be likened like a drop of ink
settling in a clear glass of water. It begins its existance within
its experience as concentrated, or focused within a limited and
singular point. But as it expands its awareness and perspective, it
begins to move out from itself in all directions, becoming
integrated in that which it indwells.

So as we imagine ourselves moving upon a singular line that has only
forward or reverse motion, even in a third dimensional sense, this
can be perceived as a very two dimensional thought process. Though
we have observable movement, such as aging and changing of events,
we really limit our perception of what that movement truly is.

For verily it is movement, as we perceive it to be, in all its
possibilities and experiences. So think, therein, what scope this
now plays upon your current experience. Perhaps one can ask the
self what we limit ourselves to do. What is the full measure of
what we are capable of, even now?

The mind is limited only by itself. The constructs of its creation
can either become its box, or its step. Even in this lifetime, what
do you still hold within your memories? How can you change your
perception of your own life? I dare say to challenge that you can
even reshape your past -- even now, by your very perception of it in
the now.

Think upon these things and what is verily at hand. Should any of
this make pause to think, then so be it. If this presents greater
challenge that what is within the scope of your gowth, then please
think no more upon it.

Live well,

-David Bryson

[rus tle]

--- Kay Dayss <kay@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=XDihAh5wm8wsEsAlfvpqwDgSEoD-7nCCiXu35krbeDFlxPlJs50YNOeBK1tgcMLG_4KjiRY)> wrote:

??I found out that most people think in words, not
scenarios.?

This is the premise behind many symptoms of dyslexia?
Those who are dyslexic associate pictures to words
when they first start learning the alphabet etc? A
picture carries a great deal more coding potential
than a word does.

However a picture of an elephant is easy to visualise
whereas the picture of the word ?the? is not so easy.

So in learning picture thinkers skip the words ?the?
and ?that? and ?this? and ?TIME? because they have no
picture (concept) of the words?

A chap called Ronald Davis noticed this when he was
autistic, he used certain skills to learn to speak and
communicate and developed a system to treat dyslexia
the same way he overcame his autistic symptoms and
learnt to read?

If you would like to know more? www.dyslexia.com

It seems to me that 3d time is common to word
thinking. The word must be read forwards in a certain
order in order to make sense. This is how we learn to
identify the chaos around us into objects/subjects.

In 4d we are able to make up pictures that group
together these objectified words into concepts or
gestalts. We begin to see the PURPOSE behind
everything we do and have done when we see the full
picture and where all the isolated incidents come
together. In reviewing all these seemingly
inconsequential events we sense the pattern linking
them all together and it is from this that the new
picture emerges from where it seemingly has always
been.






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[Stephen Tyman]

"It seems to me that 3d time is common to word
thinking. The word must be read forwards in a certain
order in order to make sense."

An insightful post. Thank you. Lo/Li Stephen

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Kay Dayss]

YES! Beautiful!

rus tle <profrustyleafiii@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=EMMKPaODf8Q_UCt698r7Um90wUfKxl0gAAdVPy 18B9LK2mytnt44_XopZAwZ2q1v5dfSpvDQ34uwHSou1suz1Rhe )> shared: "It seems to me that 3d time
is common to word thinking. The word must be read forwards in a certain
order in order to make sense. This is how we learn to identify the chaos
around us into objects/subjects."

Yes! And this is why it was always easy for me to simply walk around in the
chaos and notice the pushes and pulls from certain parts and start relating
them together. This is how "story thinking" works. The chaos was never
uncomfortable. It was like an adventure called "lets see what this chaos is
birthing". 8-)

This is also why I've always HATED reading fiction stories even though I
loved movies, because the act of reading -- such a linear thing -- was just
foreign to story thinking, so the reading would interfere for me. However,
I've always loved nonfiction reading because, I guess, it just made sense to
learn about 3d reality using a 3d tool. Very interesting!

The book "The Spell of the Sensuous" goes into this too. I don't think that
before I took this adventure on earth that I realized how hard it would be
to move back into a 3d world "after" knowing life in 4d. Relationships are
so hard here in the linear 3d world that I have great compassion for
everyone here and I'm excited for everyone to know 4d.

rus tle <profrustyleafiii@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=EMMKPaODf8Q_UCt698r7Um90wUfKxl0gAAdVPy 18B9LK2mytnt44_XopZAwZ2q1v5dfSpvDQ34uwHSou1suz1Rhe )> shared: "In 4d we are able to make up
pictures that group together these objectified words into concepts or
gestalts. We begin to see the PURPOSE behind everything we do and have done
when we see the full picture and where all the isolated incidents come
together. In reviewing all these seemingly inconsequential events we sense
the pattern linking them all together and it is from this that the new
picture emerges from where it seemingly has always been."

Exactly! Very well put. This is how I describe it also. I think that I am a
4d wanderer who came back to help with the transformation here on Earth. But
along the way, I've never been quite sure that I was up to the task. I've
always drifted back into 4d thinking. I think too that this is how the
telepathy and levitation in 4d work, with this same wholistic/gestalt skills
learned through story thinking. That special kind of "all at once" or AHA
understanding seems to be the doorway for me. I can kind of "walk into" the
energy and just feel it and merge with it and then as ONE we "gestalt it"
together. When my baby was new, I would lie on the bed with her and we were
still symbiotically attached and I could feel exactly what it was like to be
a new baby feeling those first feelings of what it was like to have this
physical body. This is the same energy I would enter when I was a kid and
the only one in our MI family who could start the car on a cold morning. I
would just enter the energy. It was what I call an "el dente" thing. This is
why I get excited to hear that the FREE ENERGY that is coming is a
combination of a 3d machine with 4d "el dente thinking".

Relationships in this 3d world seem VERY much harder than in the 4d world
because of the more linear nature of 3d. Homesickness is hard too.

Blessings,
Kay

PS I've always thought that what we call autistic is really just a 4d
wanderer being trying to learn how to be in 3d again.

[protoplasmicorganism]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=Yh-shHJ5CYmdPrUni3wM3E97uMObdS6LzR3aY8QhWYVgsBIajVzQC dxuNy5Ak75V9b-3O_7Rmw5iw4UO), Lesley Schultz <msthoth@y...> wrote:
> I've read that there are a few types of helpers that
assist during a Harvest, such as is happening right
now. One class of helpers are octave-level entities
that are able to emit very, very precise love/light
vibrations, so that each entity can find the vibratory
level that is best and most appropriate for them.
There are other entities that stand by the entity
undergoing harvest, and assist them to find their way
to their best love/light vibration. The overriding
concern is to ensure that each entity being harvested
is brought to the very best place for it ["bounty
collected without bruise or blemish", as those of Ra
put it.] What role, if any, does a Higher Self play
in the Harvesting process?

The suggestion without bruise or blemish
seems to draw on the idea of distortion,
as we prefer apetizing fruit, so higher
density beings prefer apetizing energy.
The suggestion of helpers seems to support
this idea of reciprocation - in the form
of Grace or energetic reflection which may
catalyze growth. In some ways, these higher
density beings could be thought of as some
sort of gardener who is caring for the garden,
trying to promote an abundance of delicious
energy to share for growth in love and happiness.

Smiling in the abundance of the season, patrick