Has Ra ever commented on "God the Father" (a.k.a. Yahweh or Jehovah)?

[Arthur Thomas]

Dear group,
I was wondering if Ra has ever commented on the nature of the
God of the Old Testament, Yahweh. For so many years I noticed how
Yahweh's nature depicted in the Old Testament seemed to be very
cruel to the people of the world. Is it possible that the teachings
of Jesus have been distorted in the New Testament as to having Him
acknowledge the vengeful and jealous Yahweh as "our Heavenly
Father"? Since leaving organized fundamental Christianity this
question has really plagued me. Christians are taught that God the
Father (Yahweh) and God the Son (Jesus) are the same universal God.
If that is true then why such different actions have been attributed
to them in the Bible? Is it possible that part of the mission of
Jesus was to actually help release people from the oppressive hold
of this "jealous God"? I would appreciate any feedback. Thank you.
Peace be with you all,
Artie

[Lesley Schultz]

Hello Artie, L/L & Peace to All:


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wrote:

>snip>> I was wondering if Ra has ever commented on
the nature of the God of the Old Testament, Yahweh.
>>> snip>> Since leaving organized fundamental
> Christianity this question has really plagued me.
Christians are taught that God the Father (Yahweh) and
God the Son (Jesus) are the same universal God.
>>>>snip>>> Is it possible that part of the mission of
Jesus was to actually help release people from the
oppressive hold of this "jealous God"?

LS: Welcome to the free air, Brother! I came from
the same situation.

Ra does indeed go over the whole Yahweh issue at
considerable length on the end of Book I. I encourage
you to get on the L/L Research website and read it.
The short answer is that the message that Moses taught
was a positive one, but it was taken and distorted to
be fairly negative by teachers and priests that came
later.

Well, we certainly know all about that from all the
distortion of Jesus' message that has come to us over
the centuries.

Ra also talks about Jesus' mission, which was to show
unconditional and unlimited love to the world. Jesus
was a 4th-almost-5th density Wanderer, not affiliated
with Ra but a part of the Confederation. The 4th
density is the density of Love, and Jesus was
expressing this to the full. I don't necessarily
think that the preincarnative mission of Jesus was to
undo the damage of the Old Testament teaching of the
nature of Yahweh, as the entity Jesus was not a part
of the social memory complex Yahweh and had no karmic
burden for this. However, Jesus did want to allow the
love of the ONE to shine through him as much as
possible, so that the love nature of the ONE could be
seen as clearly as he could show it.

Ultimately, there is only ONE life, ONE love, ONE
light, ONE being and we are all a part of the ONE. If
you want to know what the true nature of God is, look
in a mirror. See the ONE there. The idea of a God
the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is a
definition of God that was created by 3rd dimensional
human representations of the ONE, which means that it
is good and servicable, with its own truth and beauty,
but ultimately distorted. Those of Ra have admitted
that their understanding of the ONE is also distorted,
but they're getting better at clearing the distortion.


This stuff is hard to grasp, Artie, after all the
years of religious training that you've had, and
congratulations for coming this far. I would
encourage you to seek the truth that resonates with
you best, and pursue that.

Blessings,
~lesley
>




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[Stephen Tyman]

Hello Leslie and Artie. I would not cavil at Leslie's response, which is on the
whole a good one. There is something, however,it might be useful to add. If
follows.
Yahweh is the name taken by a social memory complex of 4th density positive,
long dedicated to the aid of this planet. But with a history of a few telling
mistakes. Moses, trained in Egyptian adepthood, in the early impulse of his
seeking managed to make contact with Yahweh. Information of a positive nature
was imparted. Consult the creation mythos of Genesis.
Then, increasingly Moses began to ask for specific earthly effects. "Save
my people!" said he. This is not something that a positive entity, bent on
avoiding infringement, would or could do. Yet the requests continued unabated,
and even strengthened. This left Moses vulnerable to the reception of a message
from the (negative) Orion group, mimicking the telepathic contact with Yahweh,
and agreeing to the request. Since this was properly speaking a 'calling', the
Orion group was allowed to do this. All of the events associated with the
exodus, and the subsequent genocides in the area of the so-called 'promised
land' & the ten commandments & the 'chosen people' motif, involve the Orion
crusaders now passed off as Yahweh.
The upshot is that there is now an ambiguity in the fundamental sense and
energy connoted by the term Yahweh.
If this helps, I am very glad. If it does not, hit the delete button as
fast as you can.
Love over light, Stephen
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Subject: Re: [asc2k] Has Ra ever commented on "God the Father" (a.k.a. Yahweh
or Jehovah)?


Hello Artie, L/L & Peace to All:


--- Arthur Thomas <lionartthesearcher@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=5ev5JsXLoE9M1JtzF7HHDXP-mhWx1cTRNLDqWU6PpTV9xZVEcAj8yC5suG_IPfcfhydn8dNN8x tsv8sIzpTZZTc4Kdb2)>
wrote:

>snip>> I was wondering if Ra has ever commented on
the nature of the God of the Old Testament, Yahweh.
>>> snip>> Since leaving organized fundamental
> Christianity this question has really plagued me.
Christians are taught that God the Father (Yahweh) and
God the Son (Jesus) are the same universal God.
>>>>snip>>> Is it possible that part of the mission of
Jesus was to actually help release people from the
oppressive hold of this "jealous God"?

LS: Welcome to the free air, Brother! I came from
the same situation.

Ra does indeed go over the whole Yahweh issue at
considerable length on the end of Book I. I encourage
you to get on the L/L Research website and read it.
The short answer is that the message that Moses taught
was a positive one, but it was taken and distorted to
be fairly negative by teachers and priests that came
later.

Well, we certainly know all about that from all the
distortion of Jesus' message that has come to us over
the centuries.

Ra also talks about Jesus' mission, which was to show
unconditional and unlimited love to the world. Jesus
was a 4th-almost-5th density Wanderer, not affiliated
with Ra but a part of the Confederation. The 4th
density is the density of Love, and Jesus was
expressing this to the full. I don't necessarily
think that the preincarnative mission of Jesus was to
undo the damage of the Old Testament teaching of the
nature of Yahweh, as the entity Jesus was not a part
of the social memory complex Yahweh and had no karmic
burden for this. However, Jesus did want to allow the
love of the ONE to shine through him as much as
possible, so that the love nature of the ONE could be
seen as clearly as he could show it.

Ultimately, there is only ONE life, ONE love, ONE
light, ONE being and we are all a part of the ONE. If
you want to know what the true nature of God is, look
in a mirror. See the ONE there. The idea of a God
the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is a
definition of God that was created by 3rd dimensional
human representations of the ONE, which means that it
is good and servicable, with its own truth and beauty,
but ultimately distorted. Those of Ra have admitted
that their understanding of the ONE is also distorted,
but they're getting better at clearing the distortion.


This stuff is hard to grasp, Artie, after all the
years of religious training that you've had, and
congratulations for coming this far. I would
encourage you to seek the truth that resonates with
you best, and pursue that.

Blessings,
~lesley
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[Jim Holmes]

You may find the work of Z. Stichen very interesting.

Also, "The Greatest Story Every Sold", and "The Suns of God", both by
Arcahrya S.

The word Elohim in the "Old Testament" is plural; there were three major
"Gods"; all non-earther alien overlords.

According to some researchers...

Jim

From: Arthur Thomas [mailto:lionartthesearcher@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=H4XvZJgsxjVxsLP_eWl3-HJGyAeI-UkGMY0KK0lKCaqGpx_l7RSyfXfTMZk2sYT34X4WRov4KuB4hxy BBKTaSINHzgxvbNc)]

Dear group,
I was wondering if Ra has ever commented on the nature of the
God of the Old Testament, Yahweh. For so many years I noticed how
Yahweh's nature depicted in the Old Testament seemed to be very
cruel to the people of the world.

[Chris Hamilton]

There are quite a few places that Ra discusses Yahweh. Now, again, anyone
can do this by simply searching the LL Research site by picking a key word
or two-much easier than flipping thru the books, which is what I had been
doing for 5 years:) I am thankful for this wonderful search capability. The
Ra Material can be discerned in the picks by looking at the end of a pick
for 'book_ 1' or whatever. Again, the site is www.llresearch.org and then
look at the left side of the page and scroll down to "search".

Here is one excerpt from Book I:

Questioner: When Jesus of Nazareth incarnated was there an attempt by the
Orion group to discredit him in some way?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: Can you tell me what the Orion group did in order to try to
cause his downfall?

Ra: I am Ra. We may describe in general what occurred. The technique was
that of building upon other negatively oriented information. This
information had been given by the one whom your peoples called "Yahweh."
This information involved many strictures upon behavior and promised power
of the third-density, service-to-self nature. These two types of distortions
were impressed upon those already oriented to think these thought-forms.

This one from Book I is a little long, but explains many things. Again, if
you do the search thing, you can bring up a few more excerpts.

"Questioner: Can you tell me how Yahweh communicated to Earth's people?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a somewhat complex question.
The first communication was what you would call genetic. The second
communication was the walking among your peoples to produce further genetic
changes in consciousness. The third was a series of dialogues with chosen
channels.

Questioner: Can you tell me what these genetic changes were and how they
were brought about?

Ra: I am Ra. Some of these genetic changes were in a form similar to what
you call the cloning process. Thus, entities incarnated in the image of the
Yahweh entities. The second was a contact of the nature you know as sexual,
changing the mind/body/spirit complex through the natural means of the
patterns of reproduction devised by the intelligent energy of your physical
complex.

Questioner: Can you tell me specifically what they did in this case?

Ra: I am Ra. We have answered this question. Please restate for further
information.

Questioner: Can you tell me the difference between the sexual programming
prior to Yahweh's intervention and after intervention?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a question which we can only answer by stating that
intervention by genetic means is the same no matter what the source of this
change.

Questioner: Can you tell me Yahweh's purpose in making the genetic sexual
changes?

Ra: I am Ra. The purpose 75,000 years ago, as you measure time, was of one
purpose only: that to express in the mind/body complex those characteristics
which would lead to further and more speedy development of the spiritual
complex.

Questioner: How did these characteristics go about leading to the more
spiritual development?

Ra: I am Ra. The characteristics which were encouraged included sensitivity
of all the physical senses to sharpen the experiences, and the strengthening
of the mind complex in order to promote the ability to analyze these
experiences.

Questioner: When did Yahweh act to perform the genetic changes?

Ra: I am Ra. The Yahweh group worked with those of the planet you call Mars
75,000 years ago in what you would call the cloning process. There are
differences, but they lie in the future of your time/space continuum and we
cannot break the free will Law of Confusion.

The 2,600, approximately, time was the second time-we correct ourselves:
3,600-approximately, the time of attempts by those of the Orion group during
this cultural complex; this was a series of encounters in which the ones
called Anak were impregnated with the new genetic coding by your physical
complex means so that the organisms would be larger and stronger.[Annunaki
are listed in Sitchin's archaeological research..Chris]

Questioner: Why did they want larger and stronger organisms?

Ra: I am Ra. The ones of Yahweh were attempting to create an understanding
of the Law of One by creating mind/body complexes capable of grasping the
Law of One. The experiment was a decided failure from the view of the
desired distortions due to the fact that rather than assimilating the Law of
One, it was a great temptation to consider the so-called social complex or
subcomplex elite or different and better than other-selves, this one of the
techniques of service to self."

[Erik]

Also...

I believe that Ra communicated that Yahweh is a Guardian.
Seventh Density.

Take a closer look at Infinity, my Self.

In Compassion,
Erik.

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[Chris Hamilton]

From: "Erik" <e.strasser@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=TPSWXw7BuSOeYa176a7QV6o5bldJ1ksI2tJqjt vzclydzXMo4SFbCEp9gDrdiU7zezxHbpDBRWBYYbCy6Yic)>
> Also...>
> I believe that Ra communicated that Yahweh is a Guardian.
> Seventh Density.
> In Compassion,
> Erik.

Chris-Actually, the rest of that Yahweh clip read this:

Questioner: Was Yahweh then of the Confederation?

Ra: I am Ra. Yahweh was of the Confederation but was mistaken in its
attempts to aid.

Questioner: Then Yahweh's communications did not help or create what Yahweh
wished for them to create. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The results of this interaction were quite mixed. Where the
entities were of a vibrational sum characteristic which embraced oneness,
the manipulations of Yahweh were very useful. Wherein the entities of free
will had chosen a less positively oriented configuration of sum total
vibratory complex, those of the Orion group were able for the first time to
make serious inroads upon the consciousness of the planetary complex.

Questioner: Can you tell me specifically what allowed the most serious of
these inroads to be made by the Orion group?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the final full question.

Specifically those who are strong, intelligent, etc., have a temptation to
feel different from those who are less intelligent and less strong. This is
a distorted perception of oneness with otherselves. It allowed the Orion
group to form the concept of the holy war, as you may call it. This is a
seriously distorted perception. There were many of these wars of a
destructive nature.

[Stephen Tyman]

Yes, Chris. I might hazard going a bit further. Perhaps you can roust out the
texts either to back me up or refute me.
I have the impression that Jesus was also of Yahweh. Sent as a corrective
to distortions of bellicosity, elitism, and the cult of revenge. We now teach
turn the other cheek. And, in martyr dom, to absorb negativity without giving
it back. I am interested by the fact that Jesus seemed (a) to have been subject
to the veil, and needed to discover who he was (the hard way -- causing the
death of a playmate), and (b) not so completely subject to the veil not to have
'supenatural' powers. It is these powers that drew attention to him. But they
also create distance, humanly speaking. Thus, in many appropriations, Jesus is
not perceived so much as other-self as a face of the deity which absconds to the
heights. Here the sense of exemplarity is lost. So one might again ask whether
the offer of help does not lead to an infringement.
Here we come to the nub, do we not? It seems that this particular (trans-)
planetary adventure has befuddled a host of willing helpers. How easy it seems
to turn silk purses into sows ears. Transsubstation of the sacred to the
profane. It is all too easy when the flesh is willing. And on this globe, as
on two others before us in this very system, the flesh has proved all too
willing.
This is a real problem for those of us earnestly wishing to serve. Is it
not hard when a fond hello is met with the back of a hand? Or when a generous
offer of thought is met with vitriolic argument? I cannot find it in my heart
to blame the unwisdom of those who have attempted to aid this planet. The
experience has been a learning one on many different levels, reverberating
throughout the densities.
But down here in 3D the intensity can be overwhelming. And quite isolating.
Thank God for the pull of that inner light.
Stephen

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[Erik]

Yes, Chris. I might hazard going a bit further. Perhaps you can roust out the
texts either to back me up or refute me.
I have the impression that Jesus was also of Yahweh.

Erik: Jeshua as per identity ( still alive and kicking) has no memory of
affiliation with either Yahweh the Guardian ( unknown if this was a social
complex) or the Orion Entity ( part of God that doesnt give) from density 5
negative or.. with Ra in the literal speaking.

Jeshua is now channeling awesome teachings, set for this Time.

Erik.

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[Chris Hamilton]

From: "Stephen Tyman" <sttyman@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=SeOwcJpDEaT71vBTvMnIV9lYztztjzy-LXpdWe7ZqcQ-ivzE6HZnVF7VXB2U6O7wQr59CJc)>
> I have the impression that Jesus was also of Yahweh. Sent as a
corrective to distortions of bellicosity, elitism, and the cult of revenge.
We now teach turn the other cheek. And, in martyr dom, to absorb negativity
without giving it back.

Hello Stephen,
It is good to hear from you after all this time. I send you L/L always into
your life:) I will try to answer your question as best as possible here. Ra
has some interesting explanations. Here is one from Book 1, session 17:

"Questioner: What I meant to say was can you tell me if Jesus of Nazareth
came from the Confederation before incarnation here?

Ra: I am Ra. The one known to you as Jesus of Nazareth did not have a name.
This entity was a member of fifth density of the highest level of that
sub-octave. This entity was desirous of entering this planetary sphere in
order to share the love vibration in as pure a manner as possible. Thus,
this entity received permission to perform this mission. This entity was
then a Wanderer of no name, of Confederation origins, of fifth density,
representing the fifth-density understanding of the vibration of
understanding or love.

Questioner: Did you say the fifth vibration was that of love?

Ra: I am Ra. I have made an error. The fourth-density being is that which we
intended to say, the highest level of fourth density going into the fifth.
This entity could have gone on to the fifth but chose instead to return to
third for this particular mission. This entity was of the highest sub-octave
of the vibration of love. This is fourth density."

Ra made a mistake! :) But, here, we support the 4th almost 5th density that
Lesley spoke of. It doesn't say here that he was from Yahweh. But there is
more from this section:

"Questioner: Can you tell me what the Orion group did in order to try to
cause his [Jesus] downfall?

Ra: I am Ra. We may describe in general what occurred. The technique was
that of building upon other negatively oriented information. This
information had been given by the one whom your peoples called "Yahweh."
This information involved many strictures upon behavior and promised power
of the third-density, service-to-self nature. These two types of distortions
were impressed upon those already oriented to think these thought-forms.

This eventually led to many challenges of the entity known as Jesus. It
eventually led to one, sound vibration complex "Judas," as you call this
entity, who believed that it was doing the appropriate thing in bringing
about or forcing upon the one you call Jesus the necessity for bringing in
the third-density planetary power distortion of third-density rule over
others.

This entity, Judas, felt that, if pushed into a corner, the entity you call
Jesus would then be able to see the wisdom of using the power of intelligent
infinity in order to rule others. The one you call Judas was mistaken in
this estimation of the reaction of the entity, Jesus, whose teach/learning
was not oriented towards this distortion. This resulted in the destruction
of the bodily complex of the one known as Jesus."

So, Jesus was not of Yahweh. The teachings of Yahweh, which had hidden
negative power meaning, were impressed upon Judas, who became the instrument
in Jesus' incarceration.

[Stephen Tyman]

Thank you, Chris, for these texts, which do shed light upon the problem.
Let us come back to the question of the 'who' of Yahweh again. In my
reading there are two Yahwehs. The original is the positive SMC who helped
Moses in his early telepathic encounter. The interloper is the pseudo-Yahweh
that infiltrated this contact, and was responsive to Moses increasing calling
for 3D results.
At such a point the STO Yahweh would have no choice but to withdraw, and to
contemplate making amends. The individual we call Jehoshua is the messenger
charged with the rectification of the message. Clue: Yod-He-Vau-He latterly
becomes more eloquently Yod-He-Shin-Vau-He. Does this resonate of truth?
Perhaps you can find the indicated text. Lo/ Li. St

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[Arthur Thomas]

Dear all,
My thanks to everyone who responded to my question. Thank you
Chris for informing me of the search engine on the L/L Research
website. I do have to admit that one reading from those of Q'uo
confused me. It seems as Q'uo contradicted itself as well as
contradicting what those of Ra and those of Hatonn said concerning
the nature of Yahweh. Here is an excerpt from the April 2, 1995
session:

K: Were there two Yahwehs in the Old Testament? Or was there just
one?

We are those of Q'uo. That which you have called Yahweh was,
within
the framework of the culture to which it came, as was understood
then, God Itself. However, that personality which often was termed
Jehovah or Yahweh was perhaps what you might call an angelic entity.
This entity was responsible along with others for looking after the
development of self-consciousness upon your planet and to aid in
that development this entity chose to concern itself in the affairs
of those within third density.

As the centuries passed and this very wise entity learned more about
how to serve it chose to re-invent itself and did so along lines
which created the possibility of the coming of the so-called
Messiah. The Yahweh which many worshipped was the Creator rather
than this personality. However, throughout most of the beginning,
shall we say, or the Torah of the Old Testament the Jehovah
character is a personality.

May we answer further, my brother?

K: Then you are saying that there was just one entity that chose to
reinvent himself and that there were not two entities, one a
negative and one a positive?

We are those of Q'uo. This is correct, my brother.


The other readings that Chris had posted from the L/L Research
archives seem to state that there were two "Yahwehs"; the original
one oriented to service-to-others and the second oriented to service-
to-self. If someone could clarify this for me I would appreciate it.
Peace & Love,
Artie

[Stephen Tyman]

Hello Artie. If you do not mind hearing from me again, I will speak to this
question.

To begin with, the point of first importance is that there are, at bottom,
no names. Secondly, however, we who use the linear-linguistic mind are bound
somewhat to the fate of names -- that is, to what is not.

Herein lies the source of confusion. The one STO entity which once made
itself known under the name of Yahweh is not one of two entitites already going
by that name. The Orion intrusion was a case of mimicry. But when the mimic
gains the upper hand in securing the attention of the channel (Moses, for
example), the real Yahweh can but retreat.

Imagine the situation of the channel (or prophet, as then they were called).
One hears within oneself a voice. Attention becomes more focussed. The voice
becomes more articulate. One finally recognizes its source as an other-self.
The other self gives itself a name. Communication continues as it would, for
example, on the analogy of a phone call.

But does one see who is at the other end of the line? No; one hears only a
voice. Now in physical hearing we can distinguish different qualities of tone
by means of which we identify varying voices. But in telepathic contact we must
supply from our own inner resources all that is suggestive of these sensory
characteristics. From this point of view we are easy marks for those who wish
to mix in a message from the loyal opposition.

Here lies the importance of challenging the contact. This is not
something that Moses understood. Thus, when he contacted what he still called
Yahweh in the latter part of his drama (from a time just prior to the Exodus
onward), he was actually in contact with Orion crusaders.

How successful were they in this strategem? More, certainly, than we would
like. We have legalistic commandments, elites and holy wars as a legacy. But
another point you quote from Q'uo is significant. Moses, like the children of
Israel generally, still took himself to be in contact with the One Creator, and
still wished to serve others. This is not nothing. The result is the mixed
legacy of a mixed contact.

Finally, to the specific point addressed in your citation: only one entity
chose to reinvent itself. That is true, is it not? It is the real Yahweh.
Now, re-invented, called Yod-He-Shin-Vau-He.

Does this sound right?

Love before light, Stephen


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[Chris Hamilton]

From: "Stephen Tyman" <sttyman@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=65niLs-gaNiAHfYYGlao6t7xaMJSwg84wSXKIEcFf356HjIrwVMmKnldF Fd39mVrS4yPJ-DdUOo)>
> Finally, to the specific point addressed in your citation: only one
entity chose to reinvent itself. That is true, is it not? It is the real
Yahweh. Now, re-invented, called Yod-He-Shin-Vau-He.>
> Does this sound right? Love before light, Stephen

Thank you for answering your original question posed:) I am thankful you
have known LOO as long as you have. Artie brought in a great question with
Q'uo's apparent contradiction on Yahweh. I am down to one computer as of
late, my lap top having been zapped by lightening that moved thru the ground
and into the telephone wires. The lone puter remaining has to be shared with
my husband, who is self-employed and does his work at the house:) I have
been kicked out of puter time, so was unable to reply as quickly as I wanted
to this Yahweh question. So, it forced me back into flipping book pages to
answer your question properly:)

Stephen had stated "In my reading there are two Yahwehs. The original is
the positive SMC who helped Moses in his early telepathic encounter. The
interloper is the pseudo-Yahweh that infiltrated this contact, and was
responsive to Moses increasing calling for 3D results."
This remark sent me flipping, flipping:) You are indeed a great
teach/learner Stephen. Carla knows a good guy when she finds one.
What I found I will list chronologically, as I am a hopeless Taurus tethered
to space/time :)

About 75,000 years ago, Yahweh, who was a member of the Confederation (a
group of 53 civilizations) went to Mars and performed some genetic cloning.
The second visitation was to Earth around 3600 BCE, and Yahweh came as an
incarnate, and apparently introduced the Mars cloning. However, Yahweh's
intention to make the race stronger backfired when the Orion entities
appealed to the races new-found feelings of being better than everyone else,
and as time passed, the elitist manipulative patterns were ascribed to
Yahweh (by clever Orion entities). So, Yahweh, realizing that his intentions
had been distorted reviewed "its vibratory patterns, and became, in effect a
more eloquently effective sound vibration complex. In this complex, now
unmamed, by meaning "He comes", began sending positively oriented
philosophy. "This entity, now named Yod-heh-Shin-Vau-heh, returned in 3300
BCE and reproduced normally creating the Anak. Yahweh left around 3000 BCE
when the elitist group dispersed and involved into a "humbler and more
honorable breed." This may have been the Tribes scattering. Hope I read this
correctly, but Stephen, help me out if I messed up :) Chris

[Stephen Tyman]

By golly I think you've got it, Chris! Those are precisely the texts I
remembered. I just love it when texts agree with my interpretation of them.
For one thing, it means my senior moments are not as pronounced as I sometimes
fear. But fear not -- they are pronounced enough to keep humility in the
picture.
IMHO, the moral to the whole story comes down to taking responsibility for
ourselves, and discovering the heart of the will to serve. Not so easy, to be
sure. Especially when one is numb in the depths half the time. Did we know
this when we signed up for this little adventure? Lo/Li, Stephen

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[Chris Hamilton]

From: "Stephen Tyman" <sttyman@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=33tOiRd77AtlKq-22CWaJof3y-0btdr9oIASnR4oXdXnHl1M106D6k50DzZUPh7KkQJLvx4lyQ)>


> By golly I think you've got it, Chris! Those are precisely the texts I
remembered. I just love it when texts agree with my interpretation of them.
For one thing, it means my senior moments are not as pronounced as I
sometimes fear. But fear not -- they are pronounced enough to keep humility
in the picture.

Now, Stephen, after I wrote that, my husband dragged me out of the house,
so I didn't get to comment on the Moses thing. I checked on that also and
Moses was given the Ten Commandments by the Orions, not Yahweh. Moses, being
as poitive as he was able to handle the negativity in them however.

> Not so easy, to be sure. Especially when one is numb in the depths half
the time. Did we know this when we signed up for this little adventure?
Lo/Li, Stephen

But, if we didn't have those depths, how would one know the heights:) You're
almost at the top and then you can see forever. Hang in there. Ditto/ditto,
C.

[Stephen Tyman]

Hello again, Chris. Just one more word before I turn in. But before I utter
it, I want to say that we should start up a fund to get you, as moderator, a
computer of your own. Mark me down as a contributor.
What you say about Orion agrees entirely with my interpretation -- that is,
that Orion gave ALL the negatively-oriented information for which Moses
inadvertently/advertently became conduit. This includes the commandments as
well as the chosen people motif. But who did Moses THINK these folks were?
Yahweh. That is the point. That is why it's only the matter of a name here.
But O what has been perpetrated in that name, eh? 'Tis known in half the world
as the God of wrath. Meanwhile, the originals to that name, very much STO, can
have nothing but chagrin at that development.

Lo/Li Stephen

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[srachele2004]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=9PC8J-buM-3eHoGeQNpOBWk8UtBxIUsGo9X1DwPXyZAzS6auEInqUwK79wIh zcpXTRmGXIOVmBLIr3g), "Stephen Tyman" <sttyman@s...> wrote:

>...in telepathic contact we must supply from our own inner
>resources all that is suggestive of these sensory characteristics.
>From this point of view we are easy marks for those who wish to mix
>in a message from the loyal opposition.
>
> Here lies the importance of challenging the contact.
>This is not something that Moses understood. Thus, when he
>contacted what he still called Yahweh in the latter part of his
>drama (from a time just prior to the Exodus onward), he was
>actually in contact with Orion crusaders.

Sal here:
Stephen, you've touched on a subject that I feel strongly about. As
a telepath myself, I recognize the EXTREME importance of
discernment. I also recognize that day by day, hour by hour, we are
becoming more aware of our telepathic abilities and we are
remembering more and more of our relationship with those that guide
and inspire us, including Ra, the Confederation and other very
loving beings.

I have been aware for some time of the distortions in the Old
Testament and the wrath of Yahweh as Jehovah, the 7th density god
full of ego and desire to control the populace. I have pondered how
a 7th density being from Orion and/or Sirius B (I hear he comes from
both sectors) could possibly fall into the ego manipulation clearly
indicated in the Old Testament. I used to believe that a 7th density
being could not possibly fall into STS (ego-mentality), but I guess
that's either not true, or we are not in alignment with Ra's
definition of densities. (As an aside, I received the message that
Jehovah (as Yahweh) was a 7th density being long before I happened
on the Ra material.)

So we have a god of the Old Testament telling warring factions to
divide and conquer (and tear open the bellies of pregnant women,
etc.) and at the same time we have a loving God who created the
Heavens and Earth and saw that it was good. Is it any wonder that we
humans have become confused? Is it any wonder that Ra has had such a
difficult time working with us? The good news is that finally, we
are rising to a level of awareness where we can make sense of all
this and see that God's Love is the one reality we must embrace and
in so doing, all ego-based STS mentality will fall away.

(I'm not judging STS, only seeing its limitations and the havoc it
has wrought.)

--Sal

[Stephen Tyman]

Thank you for your inspiring remarks, Sal. I largely agree with what you've
said. The only exception pertains to the question of the density of the STS
pseudo-Yahweh. I suspect that is 5th density negative, with help from 4th
density minions. That figure, note, has been ratiocinatively derived by me,
using evidentiary considerations. It is not telepathically grounded. But do
you, like I, have problems with numbers in the telepathic mode? Note to
friends: never send me your telephone number telepathically. I may wind up with
long distance charges to the Orion sector. Lo/Li St

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[Erik]

Sal wrote:
I have been aware for some time of the distortions in the Old
Testament and the wrath of Yahweh as Jehovah, the 7th density god
full of ego and desire to control the populace. I have pondered how
a 7th density being from Orion and/or Sirius B (I hear he comes from
both sectors) could possibly fall into the ego manipulation clearly
indicated in the Old Testament. I used to believe that a 7th density
being could not possibly fall into STS (ego-mentality), but I guess
that's either not true, or we are not in alignment with Ra's
definition of densities. (As an aside, I received the message that
Jehovah (as Yahweh) was a 7th density being long before I happened
on the Ra material.)

Erik: From what i read out of the Ra-material is that the Original "YahWeh"
is/was? a Guardian from density 7.
This to the very limits of my understanding is always STO.
Ra stated that YahWeh was part of the Confederation, how sts can that be? :)

It were Orion entities that used YahWeh's name to interact with Moses& Co.

L/L, Erik





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[brandon knodel]

I have recently tried to look at the bible as negative//positive channeling, and
you should use your own discernment on wha tyou want to believe. Most people
would look at a verse like Luke 14:26 and say that its crazy, and they could
lose their faith. I have come to realize that any belief system is flawed, and
we have to work through those flaws, and to try and make the most loving out of
them. SO whatever you believe make the best of it I guess, and really really
work towards it. STO or STS Ra talks about the importance of Polorization, and
how many upon our plane are "lost in the middle." I dunno it seems to me people
absorb all of it, and if taken directly and fully the Bible will trap most in
the middle because on the one hand you have "do unto others" and on the other
you have cruel punishment (sodom and Lor) I am sorry if maybe I am misintpreting
these, and it is not my intent to offend anyone. SO I would say if anyone on
this board is Christian then it would probably be
helpful to try and absorb the most love/light from the holy works as possible
with your own discernment. Feedback is much appreciated

srachele2004 <srachele2004@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=BD4d5iWvJ7b113CXNafRIFUmKxu78DrkWy-9O84LM9UT4ytZbbJSI3D23bsUJPomhO-psY4GN5gbeiWZMDhamg)> wrote:--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=6S4jz4Y0tFyi-dU8M6GW68v5qjIR6Dhbo4Ab4XRIe0dN4neB0iM_kw5jKoJurZQ YIpCfKHvmiUht1sofwyM),
"Stephen Tyman" <sttyman@s...> wrote:

>...in telepathic contact we must supply from our own inner
>resources all that is suggestive of these sensory characteristics.
>From this point of view we are easy marks for those who wish to mix
>in a message from the loyal opposition.
>
> Here lies the importance of challenging the contact.
>This is not something that Moses understood. Thus, when he
>contacted what he still called Yahweh in the latter part of his
>drama (from a time just prior to the Exodus onward), he was
>actually in contact with Orion crusaders.

Sal here:
Stephen, you've touched on a subject that I feel strongly about. As
a telepath myself, I recognize the EXTREME importance of
discernment. I
I have been aware for some time of the distortions in the Old
Testament and the wrath of Yahweh as Jehovah,

[fran.vincent@...>]

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From: brandon knodel [mailto:superdudesellout@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=EfKmzH-OVuMCas6h8p61dNnmMppbY-NF3KBxEgHGjKKqHzhafeMe78zNThz2R6TeUH_t38JAUK36Yirr W7IwFBVV6l3E)]
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:51 PM
To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=s6Je9e09uKujqn90rSxb6dizBwEhG6iFBbqAKQ VCpoOBBSOohXqWNhSRO0jETqSnkq9PUrOUhU0lnb4k0igbcw)
Subject: Re: [asc2k] Re: Has Ra ever commented on "God the Father"
(a.k.a. Yahweh or Jehovah)?

Brandon wrote: in reference to the bible and the possibility of positive
and negative entities channeling inconsistent information..."I dunno it
seems to me people absorb all of it, and if taken directly and fully the
Bible will trap most in the middle because on the one hand you have "do
unto others" and on the other you have cruel punishment (sodom and Lor)
I am sorry if maybe I am misintpreting these, and it is not my intent to
offend anyone. SO I would say if anyone on this board is Christian then
it would probably behelpful to try and absorb the most love/light from
the holy works as possible with your own discernment. Feedback is much
appreciated",

Fran writes: Brandon, I think you are right on in this area. The
inconsistencies in the bible are responsible for me analyzing the
possibilities that mankind has been receiving channeling information
since mankind first had memory. My conclusion was that some entities
were from a higher density than others. The reason many of our
religions are very similar is due to the higher density channeling. Yes,
we strongly need to exercise our discernment.

Please do not misunderstand all, most of the bible is of the positive
light, but some is not. The Yahweh issue is just one of them.

...And this is also true for all channeling information. The channeling
must be checked with our discernment.

Also, we have the ego issue of the individual receiving the information
who may misconstrue the message, or relaying what they want to hear, and
or requesting information that the higher densities will not answer.
This opens the door to lower density entities responding to the request
with less light.

This is probably opening a large can of worms: I think some of our
historical prophets misunderstood, and thought they were to be
worshipped as Gods, and or their followers misunderstood the message and
worshipped their prophets.

Our prophets are our teachers and our templates. They are loved for
their service to others, for their sacrifices for the all, and earned
our respect, and gratitude. They are Gods in their own right, but so
are we a spark of God!

In Love and Light,

The Lucky Unicorn,

Fran