Ike & the Confederation ETs

[David Wilcock]

hey group,

this one was too cool not to mention. i had a dream this morning, partly
in which i was inside a cluttered house. i was told that "ike," i.e.
president eisenhower, had once lived there, and that he had left a lot
of valuable material behind that still needed to be salvaged. i was one
of the people charged with recovering the information that he left in
there. i knew, upon awakening, and even in the dream, that this had to
do with his meeting with the confederation. at the time, i saw it as
simply a mirror of my own process in trying to compile together the
stacks of info that i still have sitting all around. scientific products
of my own meetings.

then, as soon as i started surfing the net, i realized what was really
going on. the dream was alerting me to what might be one of the biggest
ufo "leaks" ever to hit mainstream media. this is a definite sign of
progress. to see something like this in the washington post. it is all
the more interesting that i had dreamed it in such detail just before i
actually read it.

see the article for yourself:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/a53203-2004feb18?language=print
er

for those of you who don't already know, the law of one series confirmed
that this meeting took place, that ike was offered confederation
cooperation in exchange for nuclr disarmament, and that he ended up
turning down the offer. this may be just the first of a series of
"trial balloons" with the public. as you may or may not know, richard
hoagland was interviewed by npr last night and probably mentioned our
work at some point during that appearance.

the dream itself suggested that some very profound and important changes
are ahead. perhaps in a relatively narrow window of time. i know, that
sounds horribly vague, but it is just a sense i'm getting. and the
article synchronicity seems to confirm that.

what we're trying to do with this article series is to bring in the
knowledge that the confederation had hoped to bring in directly through
the presidency of the us. there are things we can do now that can reduce
the severity of earth changes. this article coming out as it did
suggests that we might get some decent exposure on all of this.

in case some of you haven't been following closely, there are now three
complete sections to the "interplanetary day after tomorrow?" series on
richard's website, www.enterprisemission.com
<http://www.enterprisemission.com/> . we're trying to finish up the
fourth part right now. at present richard has my nearly finished
version, then he'll send it back to me with adjustments, then i make
more adjustments, then it goes out on the web. i was admittedly
surprised when this npr thing came out of the blue. and the rumor is
that both "wired" and "discover" might pick up on our data about the
interplanetary climate change.

so, this is certainly an exciting time. i honestly wasn't sure if we'd
ever get this much of a shot, so i am grateful for it, while also
remaining as unattached to "outcomes" as i can be - if it works, it
works, and if not, so be it. if it does work, it's still going to take
time to "incubate," for people to pick up on it, read it, understand it
and then do something about it, such as telling others. but i can say
that my overall traffic of unique emails has increased by roughly 250%,
and they are getting far more scientifically precise in their interest
than ever before. which makes it even more of a challenge to try to give
a substantial response in a short time, since everyone wants to know
things that are not in the books. yet.

peace be with you -

- david


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[martinhnl]

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> the dream itself suggested that some very profound and important changes
> are ahead. perhaps in a relatively narrow window of time. i know, that
> sounds horribly vague, but it is just a sense i'm getting. and the
> article synchronicity seems to confirm that.
>
> what we're trying to do with this article series is to bring in the
> knowledge that the confederation had hoped to bring in directly through
> the presidency of the us. there are things we can do now that can reduce
> the severity of earth changes. this article coming out as it did
> suggests that we might get some decent exposure on all of this.
>

dear david,

now i'm somewhat confused. what is the point in reducing the severity
of earthchanges, when there will be mbe's for the sto's before the
major earthchanges begin?

[David Wilcock]

dear david,

now i'm somewhat confused. what is the point in reducing the severity
of earthchanges, when there will be mbe's for the sto's before the
major earthchanges begin?

dw: did you really just ask "what is the point of reducing the severity
of earthchanges?"

peace be with you -

- david

[bjorn_nitmou]

maybe what he was getting at in a nut shell was "hey, i thought
people who were ascending wont be here anyway when things get bad,
and isn't the confederation preparing a whole new planet anyway for
people who don't ascend, and also wont earth changes screw everything
up for the evil powers that be which would actually be a good thing
on some level?"

.......it just seems like none of us feel as though we "deserve" the
fate of violent earth changes, so we have come to accept that for
whatever reason, earth changes are coming and have been planned by
people above us for some specific purpose and that the only way to
change that fate is on a spiritual level and not necessarily a
scientific one. i'm over my head here, so keep that in mind, thanks!


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> dear david,
>
> now i'm somewhat confused. what is the point in reducing the
severity
> of earthchanges, when there will be mbe's for the sto's before the
> major earthchanges begin?
>
> dw: did you really just ask "what is the point of reducing the
severity
> of earthchanges?"
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david

[NEIL HADDON]

i thought:
" you are every thing, every being, every emotion, every situation.
you are infinity. you are unity.
you are."

i thought that was the law of one?

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[Jeremy Weiland]

> dw: did you really just ask "what is the point of
> reducing the severity of earthchanges?"

i thought the negative nature of the earth changes
were a result of human distortions, so that by
balancing these distortions we would negate the need
for the worst of the earth changes. i agree with the
question, what is the point of focusing on the overt
earth changes as opposed to the inner problems and
distortions of humans that neccessitate them?

there may be a point, but it doesn't begin to replace
the main form of service on this planet now, which is
anchoring love and light. if there are technological
ways of enhancing this, great - but that's not the
main task here for wanderers, as i understand it. i
think that bears pointing out to prevent confusion.
your political work with hoagland on these matters is
a relatively new course that the list may not fully
appreciate as of yet.

this isn't a critique but just an observation that
your current intentions and plans vis a vis hoagland
and certain political institutions may not be entirely
understood by the group, especially in light of the
past message that the earth changes should not be
feared or dwelled upon. perhaps clarification is, in
fact, in order?

love and light,

jeremy



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[Lesley Schultz]

dear bjorn, l/l & peace to all:

--- bjorn_nitmou <bjorn_nitmou@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=6ojasgjtdppqvn9pm9k_5qqyn78n_koc70nryp xk8pttcp74bmagwg8684by15fmc_a41x4xb12w99nkjg)> wrote:
> snip>> it just seems like none of us feel as though
> we "deserve" the fate of violent earth changes, so
we have come to accept that for whatever reason, earth
changes are coming and have been planned by
> people above us for some specific purpose and that
> the only way to change that fate is on a spiritual
level and not necessarily a scientific one.

ls: i can understand your confusion. maybe it would
help if you think about the earth as also a living
entity, with a consciousness. every living thing that
lives on gaia contributes to it, just as all of us are
parts of the one, that live and breath in our
individual consciousnesses and lives, but yet we are
one life, one love, one light, one being.

when we have wars and killings, when we abuse
otherselves, not only do we as otherselves feel it but
gaia feels it also. it pains her. her body, which
gives us life, reacts in ways that seem on the surface
to be destructive: earthquakes, drought, wild-fires,
etc. etc. they are not destructive in any deliberate
attempt to harm, just reactions like swelling and heat
to any injury of one of our body parts. but, if you
have a devastating earthquake that kills many hundreds
or thousands of people, gais experiences this as a
hurtful loss, because some of the life that makes up
her overall biosphere has been removed. this is
painful.

the earth/gaia changes that would be a natural result
of it spinning into a new dimensional space would
cause some re-arrangement of its sphere, something
like growing 'pains' that young people have when going
through their biggest growth spurt in jr high & high
school. sometimes these young people's joints or ends
of long bones might be hurting [because they're
growing, getting longer & bigger], or their backs
aching [spinal bones are enlarging as the trunk gets
longer], or may experience fatigue and
emotional/hormonally-driven confusion as their new
bodies are coming into expression. it's an awkward
time, but not necessarily a bad one.

if this world had a population on it that lived in
harmony and oneness, the needed changes in the sphere
would not be terribly painful. there might be some
"collateral damage" to the populations that are
creating some of her consciousness/biosphere, and some
extinctions of species, which is a net loss. however,
new life is coming forth.

the necessity for an mbe, if there turns out to be
one, could be considered like an emergency cesearan
section to deliver a child that is struggling to be
born. or a medical intervention that is needed to
ensure that life continues, like an emergency surgery
or other emergency procedure. an mbe might be needed
if it looked like not enough 3d-going-on-4d life as
sto [the orientation of gaia] would survive without
help. gaia requires some minimum presence of life at
different vibratory levels in order to maintain her
newly-emerging consciousness of herself as an entity.
if it looked like the sts entities on our world might
be in danger of destroying or severely damaging the
bioshpere through their violence against otherselves
and/or the planet, thus making it impossible or
unlikely that 4d-gaia-positive could continue,
something would need to be done. that would be an mbe,
to remove a portion of positive entities away from the
planet in order to retain a 'critical mass' of
positive love/light, which would subsequently work to
build/rebuild life/civilization. if an mbe were
necessary, and it occurred, then it would be like
inducing labor in a pregnant woman: violent, bloody,
messy, exhausting and traumatizing to the woman's
body.

in short, an mbe-scenario is not the best option for
the bringing-in of 4d consciousness into our world.
much the best option is for the present world
population to (1) increasingly- on an exponential
scale- realize that we are all one, including this
planet, and start acting that way or (2) in one fine
moment, or collection of moments, everyone on
gaia/earth comes to realize that we are one and
polarizes positvely in one fine, brilliant,
transcendent moment of time. scenario (1) would
greatly reduce the 'growing pains' of gaia as she
finishes changing her web of life/biosphere into what
will be needed for 4d, thus making it much easier and
plesanter for all of us and scenario (2) would make
possible a huge bolus of transformational energy into
gaia and everything on it, the 'light' being turned on
everywhere, simultaneously. gaia, which has a
physical planetary form appropriate to the new
density, would then painlessly & joyously, be capulted
into her new existence, with a 4d-appropriate
biosphere.

scenario 2 is unlikely, but not impossible. scenario
1 becomes more possible every day, as more and more
people all over the world realize that, when it gets
right down to it, the web of life binds us all
together, and we can learn to love one another-if we
want to. those of qu'o are saying that gaia is doing
very well now, things are going much better than they
were.

i don't know that this helps you at all, bjorn, but
there it is.

blessings,
~lesley




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[bjorn_nitmou]

thanks lesley that does help, i like your analogy. so i am to
understand that all the discussion in the ra readings and all the
prophecies regarding earth changes are just probable realities and
basically even at this late moment its still not too late to make a
difference, which is what david is now attempting to do. and maybe i
could presume that the scientifically oriented solutions that may be
implemented, such as the capabilities of pyramids and what not, are
possibly just physical manifestations of the fact that we are making
spiritual progress.....


--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=m1ygtqoo9lcw6hecwuojuzja2b8u8amokhxjra y07msqltwrqzyoheo1tucdebo63hm8ktd1_6bm6e3z4cgl), lesley schultz <msthoth@y...> wrote:
> dear bjorn, l/l & peace to all:
>
> --- bjorn_nitmou <bjorn_nitmou@y...> wrote:
> > snip>> it just seems like none of us feel as though
> > we "deserve" the fate of violent earth changes, so
> we have come to accept that for whatever reason, earth
> changes are coming and have been planned by
> > people above us for some specific purpose and that
> > the only way to change that fate is on a spiritual
> level and not necessarily a scientific one.
>
> ls: i can understand your confusion. maybe it would
> help if you think about the earth as also a living
> entity, with a consciousness. every living thing that
> lives on gaia contributes to it, just as all of us are
> parts of the one, that live and breath in our
> individual consciousnesses and lives, but yet we are
> one life, one love, one light, one being.
>
> when we have wars and killings, when we abuse
> otherselves, not only do we as otherselves feel it but
> gaia feels it also. it pains her. her body, which
> gives us life, reacts in ways that seem on the surface
> to be destructive: earthquakes, drought, wild-fires,
> etc. etc. they are not destructive in any deliberate
> attempt to harm, just reactions like swelling and heat
> to any injury of one of our body parts. but, if you
> have a devastating earthquake that kills many hundreds
> or thousands of people, gais experiences this as a
> hurtful loss, because some of the life that makes up
> her overall biosphere has been removed. this is
> painful.
>
> the earth/gaia changes that would be a natural result
> of it spinning into a new dimensional space would
> cause some re-arrangement of its sphere, something
> like growing 'pains' that young people have when going
> through their biggest growth spurt in jr high & high
> school. sometimes these young people's joints or ends
> of long bones might be hurting [because they're
> growing, getting longer & bigger], or their backs
> aching [spinal bones are enlarging as the trunk gets
> longer], or may experience fatigue and
> emotional/hormonally-driven confusion as their new
> bodies are coming into expression. it's an awkward
> time, but not necessarily a bad one.
>
> if this world had a population on it that lived in
> harmony and oneness, the needed changes in the sphere
> would not be terribly painful. there might be some
> "collateral damage" to the populations that are
> creating some of her consciousness/biosphere, and some
> extinctions of species, which is a net loss. however,
> new life is coming forth.
>
> the necessity for an mbe, if there turns out to be
> one, could be considered like an emergency cesearan
> section to deliver a child that is struggling to be
> born. or a medical intervention that is needed to
> ensure that life continues, like an emergency surgery
> or other emergency procedure. an mbe might be needed
> if it looked like not enough 3d-going-on-4d life as
> sto [the orientation of gaia] would survive without
> help. gaia requires some minimum presence of life at
> different vibratory levels in order to maintain her
> newly-emerging consciousness of herself as an entity.
> if it looked like the sts entities on our world might
> be in danger of destroying or severely damaging the
> bioshpere through their violence against otherselves
> and/or the planet, thus making it impossible or
> unlikely that 4d-gaia-positive could continue,
> something would need to be done. that would be an mbe,
> to remove a portion of positive entities away from the
> planet in order to retain a 'critical mass' of
> positive love/light, which would subsequently work to
> build/rebuild life/civilization. if an mbe were
> necessary, and it occurred, then it would be like
> inducing labor in a pregnant woman: violent, bloody,
> messy, exhausting and traumatizing to the woman's
> body.
>
> in short, an mbe-scenario is not the best option for
> the bringing-in of 4d consciousness into our world.
> much the best option is for the present world
> population to (1) increasingly- on an exponential
> scale- realize that we are all one, including this
> planet, and start acting that way or (2) in one fine
> moment, or collection of moments, everyone on
> gaia/earth comes to realize that we are one and
> polarizes positvely in one fine, brilliant,
> transcendent moment of time. scenario (1) would
> greatly reduce the 'growing pains' of gaia as she
> finishes changing her web of life/biosphere into what
> will be needed for 4d, thus making it much easier and
> plesanter for all of us and scenario (2) would make
> possible a huge bolus of transformational energy into
> gaia and everything on it, the 'light' being turned on
> everywhere, simultaneously. gaia, which has a
> physical planetary form appropriate to the new
> density, would then painlessly & joyously, be capulted
> into her new existence, with a 4d-appropriate
> biosphere.
>
> scenario 2 is unlikely, but not impossible. scenario
> 1 becomes more possible every day, as more and more
> people all over the world realize that, when it gets
> right down to it, the web of life binds us all
> together, and we can learn to love one another-if we
> want to. those of qu'o are saying that gaia is doing
> very well now, things are going much better than they
> were.
>
> i don't know that this helps you at all, bjorn, but
> there it is.
>
> blessings,
> ~lesley
>
>
>
>
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[Lesley Schultz]

dear bjorn, l/l & peace to all:

--- bjorn_nitmou <bjorn_nitmou@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=l6rrynqwjfz1tf7cqmdacogtaba1wahcfllbt-bl4l_lm-waaoert8b6n5b3kt3tl2cl4_xjwtxwssldww)> wrote:
> snip>> so i am to understand that all the discussion
in the ra readings and all the prophecies regarding
earth changes are just probable realities and
basically even at this late moment its still not too
late to make a difference, which is what david is now
attempting to do.

ls: yes!!! my, you're quick!

>>snip>> and maybe i could presume that the
scientifically oriented solutions that may be
implemented, such as the capabilities of pyramids
and what not, are possibly just physical
manifestations of the fact that we are making
spiritual progress.....
>
ls: right again!! you're very good, bjorn.

the pyramids of giza, according to the ra material,
can still do some good stuff, but they're rather badly
"out-of-tune" as far as their function of bringing-in
and directing energies into optimal places in the
global grid is concerned. the earth sphere herself is
changing, her energies increasing and realigning to
suit her new dimensional shape.

the space/time continuum that those of ra inhabit,
indeed all of those that are in 5d or higher, see
events passing differently than we do here in 3d. we
see things in sequence, like a parade marching past
us. the higher up energetically you go, the more the
parade looks less like a line or chain of events going
one way only, and more like a living thing unfolding
and changing every moment. and of course, once the
threshold into 8th density is reached, causality and
outcome are merged into a state of being/becoming,
simultaneously everything and nothing at the same
time. infinite potential and infinite expression are
occurring not just simultaneously but actually right
on top of each other, superimposed. all things are
possible, but nothing has occurred. all things have
occurred, therefore nothing is possible. this is
where emanation begins, where timlessness starts to be
experienced.

bjorn, all of us are one, and we have the power to
envision and shape our reality to manifest that which
we are and and most desire. the universe is perfectly
holographic, but it does not project what we *think*
we want, but what we really believe inside about what
we want. it can't be faked out. it can't be cheated
or gotten-around. the one demands truth in its
reflections at all times, for the one knows that
itself holds all beauty and all life/love/light
within. it does not shrink from the projection of the
negative aspects of its possibilities, or remain
complacent with the positive expressions alone.

i wish i could better explain what the one really is,
as i see it, but really, you are a priceless
expression of the one and you can seek within yourself
the best and truest definition-- and your definition
has just as much beauty, truth and validity as mine.

blessings,
~lesley

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[Chris Hamilton]

yes neil,

you are correct. here is a copy of that paragraph from the first session:

"in truth there is no right or wrong. there is no polarity for all will be,
as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the
mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various
ways at this time. this distortion is not in any case necessary. it is
chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity
of thought which binds all things. you are not speaking of similar or
somewhat like entities or things. you are every thing, every being, every
emotion, every event, every situation. you are unity. you are infinity. you
are love/light, light/love. you are. this is the law of one."

love and light, chris


> i thought:
> " you are every thing, every being, every emotion, every situation.
> you are infinity. you are unity.
> you are."
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> i thought that was the law of one?
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[David Wilcock]

from: jeremy weiland

> dw: did you really just ask "what is the point of
> reducing the severity of earthchanges?"

>i thought the negative nature of the earth changes
were a result of human distortions, so that by
balancing these distortions we would negate the need
for the worst of the earth changes. i agree with the
question, what is the point of focusing on the overt
earth changes as opposed to the inner problems and
distortions of humans that neccessitate them?

dw: although they are far from a central focus, they are nonetheless
very real. we at l/l were recently shaved so closely by a series of
tornadoes that one only missed us by less than 0.25 miles. we also have
a very real change in the solar system going on -- a change that in any
fair world, people should know about, imo, since it is so increasingly
obvious if you simply look through a good telescope. in order for the
scientific reality of the ascension process to ever have a hope of even
going moderately mainstream, (which in and of itself would raise the
vibrations of the planet by getting people to "think outside the box,")
we have to start by rolling out the hard data about the whole solar
system.

>there may be a point, but it doesn't begin to replace
the main form of service on this planet now, which is
anchoring love and light. if there are technological
ways of enhancing this, great - but that's not the
main task here for wanderers, as i understand it.

dw: if anyone here felt that i disagreed with jeremy on this point, they
have come to a mistaken conclusion.

i think that bears pointing out to prevent confusion.

dw: done.

>your political work with hoagland on these matters is
a relatively new course that the list may not fully
appreciate as of yet.

>this isn't a critique but just an observation that
your current intentions and plans vis a vis hoagland
and certain political institutions may not be entirely
understood by the group, especially in light of the
past message that the earth changes should not be
feared or dwelled upon. perhaps clarification is, in
fact, in order?

dw: lesley schultz has done a most excellent job in clarifying all the
biggest points that i might have otherwise raised on my own -- so i
would begin by referring people to her responses to this thread.

here's the deal as i understand it.

richard and i do not completely agree on everything. part of the problem
with the metaphysical field in general is that every person seems most
focused on doing their own thing, rather than cooperative work. you can
let the 15% margin of disagreement drive you apart or you can choose to
focus on the 85% congruency. this was how i was able to join l/l in the
first place. richard and i have a different kind of 15% disagreement,
but there is enough reciprocity there that my higher self is encouraging
me to pursue it.

we do not want to attach an implicitly evangelical message to this
information, (i.e. "higher beings are going to save us",) as this would
guarantee that the information would never have a chance of being
publicized. should we come right up to 2012 itself and have this always
remain something blowing about in back-corner internet chatrooms, so
that those who are truly interested may never have even had a chance to
learn about it? the ironic thing is that people will read their personal
biases into the data anyway -- so by just presenting the data, the first
distortion (=free will) is preserved.

as we said on the show with art that night, the pyramid technology does
really work. thus, this planetary idea is no different than a person
realizing that they are the source of their own distortions, and that it
all originates in the mind, but that they may be well served by an
acupuncture treatment to speed up the process. i think that's why the
dream equated this with ike and the confederation. if there were no
point in any of these confederation principles being of any use to us at
the end of the cycle, then why would the confederation have contacted
him to begin with? what would be the point of it?

no one here can deny that the law of one series was indistinct in terms
of giving an exact outcome or timeline for this shift to 4d. there are
statements that undoubtedly point to 2011-2013 as a point of the
shifting of the photon to green-ray level, with dramatic and spontaneous
changes, and there are other statements that suggest that the shift
could take between 100 to 700 years to complete itself -- implying that
3d reality could persist for such a time period, even though the main
shift had already occurred.

some people who read the law of one implicitly gravitate to the 100-700
year figure and discard the 2012. i tend to implicitly gravitate towards
the 2012 and de-emphasize the 100-700 years. it did also say that 4d
can't begin in earnest until 3d is complete -- so if there is something
we can do now, while worldwide media is still easily available to all, i
say go for it. however much or however little the result, we did our
best. for most people, it is more than enough to simply anchor in the
love and light as best you can. teaching this science happens to be one
thing that i am very good at, so we're going to try to give it a shot.

so, if the science of hyperdimensional physics actually attracted
mainstream attention, including the idea of a transformation of the
solar system, with it comes a doorway to many, many other metaphysical
realizations along the way -- including a direct scientific case for why
light and love needs anchoring at this time, and why we are indeed
bringing these changes about through the focus of consciousness.

you can't start out from the beginning and say this and have it appear
on a tv special -- not with the way things are now. however, as soon as
someone hits my site and starts digging in, they're going to receive
that message loudly and clearly.

for others who do not have a spiritual focus, a massive dark night of
the soul could be triggered upon hearing this information -- thinking
that this equates to a universal armageddon. no one else who discusses
this transformation has ever presented any realistic and physical
options that could be chosen to help ease the process. sure -- if it's
an asteroid, blow up the asteroid. (deep impact, armageddon.) if it's
the core of the earth stopping turning, jump start it again. (the core.)
if it's et bad guys, wipe 'em out. (independence day.) if it's an
unavoidable weather change, ride it out and "save all you can." (day
after tomorrow.)

one of the requirements for those in control to ever allow the public to
be exposed to this information is that the science itself has to show
that things are not hopeless -- for those who have no other reason to
have faith in any "woo woo" material. as soon as someone asks, "why
might these pyramids work, and how did the ancient "cavemen" know about
this," you've opened the door to something that just grows and grows and
grows -- and in time, the "big picture" becomes not only obvious, but
inevitable.

the reason why i'm doing this now is that i may be the best person to do
it. the convergence material was always written in the hopes of starting
out with someone who was hardened and skeptical, and if they have enough
of an open mind to take in what is being said, the information itself
can transform them. we just had a recent participant who came to this
realization on his own -- so in some cases, it does work.

richard is one of a relatively small number of people who i would be
well served to work so closely with. i have already logged far more
talk-time with other great thinkers like rod johnson and bruce peret
than i ever have with richard. i have been psychically aware of richard,
in dreams and visions, for a long time -- and of his own free will, he
made shifts that made him able to accept the full implications of the
spiritual component to science. he wasn't there even last year. if you
look to the very end of the transcript of he and i on art bell, you'll
see how impressed i was when he came out with the spiritual message on
his own.

he's more interested in trying to lobby congress than i am, but let's
face it -- i was there on the front-lines of ufo disclosure back in 2001
with dr. greer and crew of the disclosure project. so, i already have
experience in a very unique category. it is more appropriate to give
people a message of hope that works on multiple levels. one of those
levels is the fact that we are not completely powerless, scientifically
speaking, against climate change.

i probably can't engage all the questions and comments that this raises,
(in fact i definitely can't,) but i can tell you that i myself
questioned whether this project had any value. i wondered at first if it
was just a "booster rocket" for my own work and nothing of any real
permanence. the dreams made it emphatically clear that this is part of
what i came here to do -- that it is part of my honor/duty as a result
of having compiled one of the best information sets about this material
on the planet. so, i will serve as requested, providing that my ideals
and the ideals of the law of one are not hopelessly compromised. i
certainly will take whatever chances i get to tactfully plant seeds in
people's minds about the "big picture" of the integration of science and
spirit, and the empowerment of the individual.

well, i hope that suffices. thanks for asking.

peace be with you -

- david

[Chris Hamilton]

> dw: although they [earth changes]are far from a central focus, they are
nonetheless very real. <snip>we also have a very real change in the solar
system going on -- we have to start by rolling out the hard data about the
whole solar system.

chris: agreed, and this will be what gets most press, imo. earth expansion,
energetic solar system expansion , can be understood by everyone when given
picture models we can all identify with. i think this is where alot of
interest in the dw material originates. i think the other portion is the dw
dream repertoire, but that is another conversation:)

dw: no one here can deny that the law of one series was indistinct in terms
of giving an exact outcome or timeline for this shift to 4d. some people
who read the law of one implicitly gravitate to the 100-700
> year figure and discard the 2012. i tend to implicitly gravitate towards
> the 2012 and de-emphasize the 100-700 years.

chris: i gravitate towards dna changes which will take that 100-700 year
span, thus perpetuating a gradual human change to 4d. now, the earth i
believe, because of the point of space we currently occupy, will have some
inconveniences. but, there are many other considerations like what lesley
said about human mutations due to viruses (maybe introduced from this more
energetic universal space we are coming into). i think this will be our
movement into 4d.

dw: it did also say that 4d can't begin in earnest until 3d is complete --
so if there is something we can do now, while worldwide media is still
easily available to all, i say go for it. however much or however little
the result, we did our best.

chris: as the collective memory of mankind accommodates these new ideas, it
will make way for the 4d mind. of course, this is the long-range model:) i
believe this will be an energetic change within the human form that causes
us all to think in different avenues. many of us who study the ra material
are already working towards that model, not just on the surface (smile, i
love you), but inside (i really do care about you). yin/yang, god/goddess
comes to mind here, where old out-dated patriarchal methods will fall away.

dw: for most people, it is more than enough to simply anchor in the
> love and light as best you can. teaching this science happens to be one
thing that i am very good at, so we're going to try to give it a shot.

chris: yes, do keep that up:)
>
dw: the reason why i'm doing this now is that i may be the best person to
do it.

chris: i have to agree on that, but don't get too clear, or we won't need
you any longer:) joking alot! thank you for post!

[Unknown]

hi reincarnated multidimensional beings,

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> ls:
> when we have wars and killings, when we abuse
> otherselves, not only do we as otherselves feel it but
> gaia feels it also. it pains her. her body, which
> gives us life, reacts in ways that seem on the surface
> to be destructive: earthquakes, drought, wild-fires,
> etc. etc. they are not destructive in any deliberate
> attempt to harm, just reactions like swelling and heat
> to any injury of one of our body parts. but, if you
> have a devastating earthquake that kills many hundreds
> or thousands of people, gais experiences this as a
> hurtful loss, because some of the life that makes up
> her overall biosphere has been removed. this is
> painful.

i always like to remember that death is an illusion, we just can't
stop living ;) and the people that die don't really leave earth as
they are still in contact with it from one of the other 7 worlds gaia
exists out.


> in short, an mbe-scenario is not the best option for
> the bringing-in of 4d consciousness into our world.
> much the best option is for the present world
> population to (1) increasingly- on an exponential
> scale- realize that we are all one, including this
> planet, and start acting that way or (2) in one fine
> moment, or collection of moments, everyone on
> gaia/earth comes to realize that we are one and
> polarizes positvely in one fine, brilliant,
> transcendent moment of time. scenario (1) would
> greatly reduce the 'growing pains' of gaia as she
> finishes changing her web of life/biosphere into what
> will be needed for 4d, thus making it much easier and
> plesanter for all of us and scenario (2) would make
> possible a huge bolus of transformational energy into
> gaia and everything on it, the 'light' being turned on
> everywhere, simultaneously. gaia, which has a
> physical planetary form appropriate to the new
> density, would then painlessly & joyously, be capulted
> into her new existence, with a 4d-appropriate
> biosphere.
>
> scenario 2 is unlikely, but not impossible. scenario
> 1 becomes more possible every day, as more and more
> people all over the world realize that, when it gets
> right down to it, the web of life binds us all
> together, and we can learn to love one another-if we
> want to. those of qu'o are saying that gaia is doing
> very well now, things are going much better than they
> were.

lesley i like your view and i agree with most of it.
but aren't big earth changes inevitable.
i mean earth changes look normal when a planet is activating it's next
dimension and on a harmonious 3d planet the changes will not be so
hard but in my view the people on earth still have a big way to go
before we can say we all live in harmony. i also think big earth
changes could wake up more people and work as a catalyst to polarize more.
we can do our best to help earth and send as much love and light as we
can cause we can only change ourselves but in my view the big earth
changes will still come. the ra material says that when the 4d switch
is fully made that 3d life isn't possible anymore. so if it's going to
come a mbe would be fun and helpfull.
all the solar system changes and earth changes seem to be pointing
that there will be big earth changes happening as they are already
happening and increasing as we near 2012.
for me and i hope i'm not alone there is such a huge diffrence between
the full change happening in 2012 and earth being a full 4d planet by
then or that it still needs 700 years to make the full switch.
it could be because i'm 19 and don't like making plans for the future
a lot ;)
i don't know if i really disagree with anything you said
just wanted to share my opinion.

peace and joy
Unknown

[eskmo]

dw wrote"
well, i hope that suffices. thanks for asking.


me:
haha - well i def didn't ask the question but it certainly was good reading
what you wrote.
hope all is well :)
brendan



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[Lesley Schultz]

my dear Unknown, l/l & peace to all:

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wrote:
>snip>> but aren't big earth changes inevitable.
> i mean earth changes look normal when a planet is
> activating it's next dimension and on a harmonious
3d planet the changes will not be so hard but in my
view the people on earth still have a big way to go
> before we can say we all live in harmony. i also
> think big earth changes could wake up more people
and work as a catalyst to polarize more. we can do our
best to help earth and send as much love and light as
we can cause we can only change ourselves but in my
> view the big earth changes will still come. the ra
material says that when the 4d switch is fully made
that 3d life isn't possible anymore. so if it's going
to come a mbe would be fun and helpfull. all the
solar system changes and earth changes seem to be
pointing that there will be big earth changes
happening as they are already happening and increasing
as we near 2012. for me and i hope i'm not alone there
is such a huge diffrence between the full change
happening in 2012 and earth being a full 4d planet by
> then or that it still needs 700 years to make the
> full switch. it could be because i'm 19 and don't
like making plans for the future a lot ;)

ls: i appreciate your arguments here, and thank you
for bringing them up. i admit that i'm somewhat in
the dark about what the final form of our earth will
look like when 4d is fully realized here. those of ra
said that the actual earth sphere is already fully 4d;
it's the 3d lifeforms on it that are retarding her
consciousness from reaching 4d. i think this means
that the 2d physical body, made of rock, molten rock
and a very-hot-super-molten/plasma-like core is in 4d
space and very heavily influenced by the higher
energies of 4d. so you could say that the raw
material of the gaia body is 4d. but 4d realization
in all levels requires some additional changes.

those of ra said that it would be useful to think of
the earth as seven earth spheres, all existing at the
same time, in different dimensions. right now four of
them are in activation, and three in potentiation.
just as, for all of us humans now, we have three
bodies now, the fourth coming into activation. we've
heard that our new 4d bodies will have abilities that
are far ahead of what our 3d bodies can do now,
including telepathic abilities, the ability to heal
ourselves very much better than we can now, perhaps to
fly and use our mental powers for transportation, and
to communicate with higher dimensions. this would
require, i would think, at a minimum some additional
"wiring" of our frontal lobes of our brains and
perhaps a more robust spinal cord and neural net
throughout our bodies. i have some ideas on this,
mostly connected with the increasing demands on our
central nervous systems by modern life and amusement
pursuits stimulating greater neural transmitter
activity at younger ages, but i will reserve this for
right now. suffice it to say that our brains will
need to become more active and we'll be needing to
find ways to use more of their capabilities than we
are now, much more, and gaia will be helping us out
there as we become increasingly 4d.

now the gaia sphere herself is tougher to speculate on
for me. i've read in a couple of places that we may
expect our actual physical sphere to get a bit bigger,
occupy a larger relative space within our solar
system. the sun, also, is to get larger and brighter.
the more recent pictures from space, which for some
reason are being rather heavily censored, show that
the earth is becoming much more oblat, almost
pumpkin-like. i think our sphere will be getting
bigger. i've also read that there will be more water
and less land than we have now. i would think it
would be more like a similar amount of land, but more
of it shifted towards the polar regions and less of it
in temperate zones. it also seems to be a consensus
that there will be a polar shift, and i think there
will be one too, which will cause the earth's axis to
move over another 5-6 degrees, with a tilt of maybe 29
degrees. the polar shift would probably cause some
significant displacement of land and water masses, and
that might look like a catastrophe if it happened
really fast. but it doesn't have to happen really
fast. that's my point here.

i think that the sun will be brighter, maybe our
atmosphere will change a bit also. if i try to look
ahead to the future, i see right now a most beautiful
gaia, a bit bigger than she is now, with turquoise
seas, icy poles that are larger than they are now.
the land masses are a bit different, but there is
enough to support a pretty good sized population.
there will still be mountains and valleys, lush green
lands and desert lands, lakes and rivers- some really
big ones too. there is much life, both plant and
animal and sealife, very rich diversity- just as there
is now. the air seems to be more energetic, it
sparkles, like there is more light coming into it. the
sky is a different color, a paler blue. while now we
know, more intellectually than experientially, that
everything is alive, on the 4d sphere it will be
totally obvious that everything is alive, every plant
and animal and rock and river and ocean. the gaia
sphere will seem ever more and more like a cradle of
life, awake and alive. she has a 4d consciousness
now, but it's still kind of sleepy.

the polar shift could happen in a couple hours, with
great numbers of people leaving the physical, or it
could happen over several months, making it a bit
easier to manage. i thought that the earth sphere
would get bigger, and if that were to happen then it
could happen in a couple of ways: our sphere,
according to the ra material, is honeycomb-like, not
solid from one side to the other. if the core of the
earth expands from superheating from the sun, that
could cause the crystaline structure of our
honeycomb-earth to expand somewhat. also, we might
remember that atomically we have three energy levels
in which electrons do their spinning. if more energy
is given to everything [and i do mean everything],
that might cause there to be an additional stable
energy level for electrons to occupy. the balance of
protons and electrons is critical to the elemental
structure of the atom, so i don't expect this to
change, but if you gave an additional energy shell to
electrons you might be able to form heavier elements
easier, and they would be more stable. there are an
equal number of neutrons and protons in the nucleus of
an atom, and i don't see this changing, at least not
yet, but maybe they could start to become heavier
also. if you created heavier elements that were
stable, you could have more material to build the
earth out of, which might make her larger over time.
100-700 years might be plenty of time to have that
happen.

but all this is speculation. i really don't know at
all what will come. but i would like to say that an
mbe is an intervention that would be like being
rescued by the fire department. our lives would be
spared, but the *work* of building a new civilization,
of maturing- probably not very gracefully- into true
4d human forms would still have to be done. gaia
would be awake, but we would have to work at learning
to communicate well with her. and she with us. and
we with each other. the critical difference is that
we wouldn't have to do it alone; other dimensions
would be able to communicate with us directly and give
us some help. but it's still going to be work, and
work we have to do ourselves.

i'm 42, Unknown. if i were 19 and wondering what would
be the best use of my time, and trying to plan for the
future, i think i would work at remembering to live in
the present moment. try to be as 'present' in each
moment as you possibly can. take each moment and look
for the love in it. try to understand as much as you
can about the love of everyone in your life, even
those that don't appear to like you very much. their
interactions with you are gifts of love to you, even
if they aren't conscious of it. if you can become
conscious of it, and take the gift, that will be a
very valuable skill.

all we would have learned in school, except for the
very cutting-edge stuff, would not be all that useful
in the coming 4d world. it will be a new world for us
[and we don't understand the one one all that well],
with new properties and new challenges. if we can
take this enormous challenge in the present moment,
each as they come, seeking the love, this will help
cultivate the quiet "center" of peace from which the
rebuilding and understanding will come.

do not fear the future or the earth changes, even if
it works out that you may leave the physical because
of one of them. we are with you all the time, you are
never alone or without love or without help. ever. it
isn't even possible for you to be.

blessings and peace,
~lesley





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hoi everybody
tnx for the fast reply lesley

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> ls: i appreciate your arguments here, and thank you
> for bringing them up. i admit that i'm somewhat in
> the dark about what the final form of our earth will
> look like when 4d is fully realized here. those of ra
> said that the actual earth sphere is already fully 4d;
> it's the 3d lifeforms on it that are retarding her
> consciousness from reaching 4d. i think this means
> that the 2d physical body, made of rock, molten rock
> and a very-hot-super-molten/plasma-like core is in 4d
> space and very heavily influenced by the higher
> energies of 4d. so you could say that the raw
> material of the gaia body is 4d. but 4d realization
> in all levels requires some additional changes.

i thought ra said that the earth is still moving into 4d and that this
will be complete in 2011 but i'm not really sure.
i agree that 4d realization requires some additional changes.

> those of ra said that it would be useful to think of
> the earth as seven earth spheres, all existing at the
> same time, in different dimensions. right now four of
> them are in activation, and three in potentiation.
> just as, for all of us humans now, we have three
> bodies now, the fourth coming into activation. we've
> heard that our new 4d bodies will have abilities that
> are far ahead of what our 3d bodies can do now,
> including telepathic abilities, the ability to heal
> ourselves very much better than we can now, perhaps to
> fly and use our mental powers for transportation, and
> to communicate with higher dimensions. this would
> require, i would think, at a minimum some additional
> "wiring" of our frontal lobes of our brains and
> perhaps a more robust spinal cord and neural net
> throughout our bodies. i have some ideas on this,
> mostly connected with the increasing demands on our
> central nervous systems by modern life and amusement
> pursuits stimulating greater neural transmitter
> activity at younger ages, but i will reserve this for
> right now. suffice it to say that our brains will
> need to become more active and we'll be needing to
> find ways to use more of their capabilities than we
> are now, much more, and gaia will be helping us out
> there as we become increasingly 4d.

i also thought they said when living in 4d we don't need these heavy
chemical body's anymore. i agree with what you say about 4d life just
wanted to add that we can reach this state also in 3d as we have
connection to all the dimensions in our holographic universe trough
the chakra's. there always have been teachers in the past showing
these abilities and i think more and more people will be able to do
this when 4d get's more and more active like it's showing in the world
already. but you probobly agree with this ;)

we will see what the future will bring we can only welcome it and love it.

> i think that the sun will be brighter, maybe our
> atmosphere will change a bit also. if i try to look
> ahead to the future, i see right now a most beautiful
> gaia, a bit bigger than she is now, with turquoise
> seas, icy poles that are larger than they are now.
> the land masses are a bit different, but there is
> enough to support a pretty good sized population.
> there will still be mountains and valleys, lush green
> lands and desert lands, lakes and rivers- some really
> big ones too. there is much life, both plant and
> animal and sealife, very rich diversity- just as there
> is now. the air seems to be more energetic, it
> sparkles, like there is more light coming into it. the
> sky is a different color, a paler blue. while now we
> know, more intellectually than experientially, that
> everything is alive, on the 4d sphere it will be
> totally obvious that everything is alive, every plant
> and animal and rock and river and ocean. the gaia
> sphere will seem ever more and more like a cradle of
> life, awake and alive. she has a 4d consciousness
> now, but it's still kind of sleepy.

sounds fun :) you are really good in writing lesley
it's like reading a book and drifting of to the beautifull places that
are being described :)

> i think i would work at remembering to live in
> the present moment. try to be as 'present' in each
> moment as you possibly can. take each moment and look
> for the love in it. try to understand as much as you
> can about the love of everyone in your life, even
> those that don't appear to like you very much.

i try this a lot like much people on this list i think.
and for people that show hate i try to have compassion and focus on
the whole being they are and not the part that is showing the hatred.

> do not fear the future or the earth changes, even if
> it works out that you may leave the physical because
> of one of them. we are with you all the time, you are
> never alone or without love or without help. ever. it
> isn't even possible for you to be.

i don't fear them i kind of welcome them and death is something i
welcome to when it's time it's time.

thank you for your kind words lesley
peace and joy
Unknown

[martinhnl]

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> well, i hope that suffices. thanks for asking.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david


dear david,

your answer suffices very well, thank you.

anyway, i think it was necessary for you to explain your 'shift' in
thinking that we do have a chance to reduce the severity of the
earthchanges and that there won't necessarily be an mbe by 2005/2006
to get the sto's savely out of here, etc., etc..

sorry for the nutshell-question to start with, but the group knew
exactly what i meant, so it turned out allright.

peace to you too,

martin

[Lesley Schultz]

my dear Unknown, l/l & peace to all:

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wrote:
>snip>> i also thought they said when living in 4d we
don't need these heavy chemical body's anymore. i
agree with what you say about 4d life just wanted to
add that we can reach this state also in 3d as we have
> connection to all the dimensions in our holographic
> universe trough the chakra's. there always have been
teachers in the past showing these abilities and i
think more and more people will be able to do this
when 4d get's more and more active like it's showing
in the world already.

ls: i am indeed far from disagreeing with you. i do
recall those of ra saying that we won't be needing the
'heavy chemical vehicle' body anymore when we reach 4d
[have fully tranformed]. i also have read that some
indian yogis have managed to transition to 'light
body' while still living in this dimension. those of
ra have also said that the process of bringing in the
gaia 4d body will happen somewhat gradually, through
ordinary bisexual reproduction, over perhaps a
generation and a half, give or take a few decades.
there does seem to be a bit of a discrepancy here,
that it might be kind of hard to resolve in a direct
way. those of ra, speaking a good twenty or so years
ago, were giving their best interpretation of what
they saw as the transition path we were on. things
seem to have progressed a bit better than they
predicted originally, which means that humankind is a
little more spiritually aware than might have been
expected. the trend seems to be increasing, which is
excellent news for all.

i admit some confusion as to exactly what 'lightbody'
is, and what its properties are. it does seem like
probably 4d is the last density where there is what we
now understand as bisexual reproduction. since 4d
bodies last a lot longer than 3d ones ever could, with
each density lasting longer and longer until bodies
are not needed at all [not until the 7th density, i
think], there is small need for producing a lot of new
bodies for multiple incarnation purposes. yet, there
is a body in 4d that needs to be fed, and to be fed
something like the food we eat now [according to the
ra material, which talks about it as being something
of a nuisance intended to teach patience, as 4d is
very wrapped up in service to others in positive
orientated worlds.] although i am no expert in any of
that, it does sound like there is some chemistry going
on if 4d folks are eating. i think that ordinary 3d
folks' bodies [those that can make the necessary
changes, incrementally, over this transition period],
reproducing in the ordinary way, will be increasingly
energized and changed by the space they're in. the
children produced will be much closer to the new 4d
body type, and the generation of those children will
be almost completely transformed. what this means
exactly in anatomical terms, i don't know. there can
probably be a range of possible body formations, not
very different from each other but with some
distinctions driven by the free will of the entities
and of gaia, with whom we will be in partnership.

in short, as those of ra have said many times, the
body is a creature of the mind. the mind, they say,
is a combination of the physicality of the brain, the
desires of the entity and the spirituality of the
entity thrown in as well. the mind, the body and the
spirit are fractal constructions in every part,
fitting in together within the environment where they
are found. the light body that the indian yogis can
construct for themselves now might not be the final
form they will be achieving for themselves as 4d
continues to transform us all. that's all tied in
with the full, unfettered expression of the infinite
variety of the one, as it experiences this transiton.
we are changing and transforming each minute, as we
live out the blossoming of our experience in this
space/time environment.

one can get very picky about the verbage, which was
certainly put together very, very carefully by those
of ra but which was not intended to be 'gospel.'
those of ra knew that the future is not set in stone
entirely, nor should it be, so there will be an
unfolding of events that may or may not be exactly
like they predicted it would be.

of course, i could be wrong, and perhaps someone on
this list will educate me. i don't know what to
expect out of my new body, whether i get one by living
through this transitional time or wind up incarnating
into one, but whatever it is i'm sure will feel as
natural and normal as the one i have now.

i do sort of wish that i could have an encounter with
an et, which would be the result of an mbe taking
place. while it would mean that an intervention had
become necessary, and that would mean some more pain
for gaia, it would be a fascinating experience. oh
well. i'm trying to have no expectations here.

thanks again, Unknown, and many blessings,
~lesley



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[Adi Gaia]

there is definitely more input from the intergalacic confederation
happening now ~

it began with the x-conference
http://www.paradigmclock.com/x-conference/x-conference.htm

here is my summary of the events of that weekend
http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v92 ~
scroll down to third entry: contact is now happening inwardly!

over the past several days, with the sun in opposition to the
galactic core of this milky way galaxy, there has been a second wave
of inner activities ~

adi
http://earthstar.bravepages.com


--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=xl509jznszkf0iewrh8x5xolcaz2bhoem2tlik 6qx-8lqrb7iuzmfhx-wkverkv6waiz3ioz8fmp5rc), "david wilcock" <djw333@b...> wrote:

> hey group,
>
> this one was too cool not to mention. i had a dream this morning,
partly
> in which i was inside a cluttered house. i was told that "ike," i.e.
> president eisenhower, had once lived there, and that he had left a
lot
> of valuable material behind that still needed to be salvaged.