Breakthrough w / Hoagland and other news [Archive]

David Wilcock

11-01-2000, 06:40 AM

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>Hello, all.
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>Jeremy (Orlando Vespucci) produced a nice Email right as I sent out the initial invitations to the list, so most of you did not get it. (We're already at about 25 members and still growing. If it starts to get busy you can request it in once-a-day bulk form instead of one message at a time.) So if you like, I'd suggest posting it again. If you haven't got it figured out yet, any of you, just send your letters directly to asc2k@egroups.com and they will go through. Or, reply to this letter, either way. 
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>Through his email contact with Mike Bara, I have finally gotten word back from Richard Hoagland regarding his survey of the revised version of Convergence II, called The Shift of the Ages. Recently I have been influenced to consider continually rewriting this product and working it with a publisher - so the versions that I have vended will actually be manuscript copies that represent another "stage" of evolution. I have the book in the hands of certain critics who are looking at it specifically to tear it apart and find the logical inconsistencies. I realize that it still couldbe easier to understand - and the new version of Convergence III, which is now making its final sprint to the finish line, will go a long way towards that goal. 
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>I had contacted Hoagland several months ago and sent him a copy of the manuscript, as his own research has turned in this direction. Obviously it would be a tremendous boon to the success of this message if Hoagland endorsed it in any way, however slight, as he is arguably the most visible proponent of alternative science research on the planet at this time. Controversial as well. 
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>So here is his response:
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>David,

First of all, thanks for the book. I'm actually reading it! It's just a bit
difficult to do so uninterrupted, what with all the other things that are
currently going on. But I'll finish it ... at some point.
>
>In my letter I sympathized with the degree of pressure that he is facing and indicated how difficult or impossible it is for me to answer all of my own Email. Initially he had sounded interested in my material and I sent him the book, but then subsequent Emails were left unanswered - so I got a taste of my own medicine! I had somehow thought that he had gotten a bitter taste in his mouth for some reason and wanted nothing more to do with me, so I had considered it a dead issue. So this was a pleasant surprise. 
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>The rest of this letter that he sent me (through Bara) was regarding a letter that I received from the CSETI members-onlylist, which said that David Percy and a Ph.D. physicist had put together an apparently credible scientific case that the Apollo moon landing filmstrips were faked. One argument was that the film they used on the Moon could not have worked, because the radiation should have created hazes on the film that did not exist. I don't know whether this information is actually up on their website yet or not, haven't checked. However, Hoagland revealed a different story, as follows. I asked him for his perspective since he was reporting to Walter Cronkite on Apollo while it was in progress:
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>On the subject at hand:

I had detailed, highly complex interactions with David Percy several years
ago. And, from this first-hand experience I can say two things: he HAS an
"agenda" regarding these new "revelations; and two, my evidence then
indicated he was (is?) a member of the British Intelligence community, MI6.
This should be a definite cautionary note ...

In terms of he and his colleages "evidence" that NASA faked Apollo: the
evidence Percy and company put forward is subject to SEVERAL interpretations
-- including the fact that the "whistleblowers" were attempting to plant
clues for future generations re the cover-up of REAL artifacts discovered on
the lunar surface, that we ultimately found!

In terms of the "anomalous details" surrounding some of the NASA photographs
and films, each one must be addressed seperately. And, one key fact that
must be factored in (which Percy DOESN'T do) is the existence of a bonafide
"super film" (which I actually got to use during its development!!) developed
specifically to take color transparancies opn the Moon. The existence of
this film (a close-ly guarded NASA secret, which we can document) makes a LOT
of the so-called "photographic impossibilities" they've cited completely go
away. Either they don't know about this film (which NASA paid for!!), or
(more likely) they are selectively suppressing its existence, so they can
claim that the images taken with it "prove" Apollo was a fake.

We are in the process of compiling a highly detailed, point by point
refutation of Percy's entire "Dark Moon" thesis. It will be published by one
of our Enterprise investigators ... soon.

Stay tuned. :)

RCH
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>So I will be responding to this letter later today, don't want to bother the man too much as he is totally swamped - and I'm sure that with Mike Malin releasing yet another 30,000 Mars images he is probably going wild trying to sort through them for new anomalies that he can lay claim to for discovery rights. Understandable, given the situation. His "UFO on crater rim" photo is one of the most dazzling examples of ET artifacts on other planets that any of us have ever seen.
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>Other news that isn't ready for the website yet:
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>Jan from Norway, one of our new members,sent me an Email yesterday regarding the website of Michael Estes, who at one time had been a supporter of the Ra Material and had posted the entire contents of Book One on his website. He was networked with my associate and friend Dr. Scott Mandelker and had personally interviewed Carla Rueckert, the surviving channel of the work. (Incidentally I will eventually drive or fly out to Kentucky to meet her in person, perhaps early next year.) His website had originally been titled "The Gateway to Intelligent Infinity." 
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>Now, however, it has been retitled, the last word "infinity" substituted with "insanity." On his front page there are now accusations regarding the validity of the Ra contact, going into many different areas. Here's the start: http://www.celestcom.com/G2ii/
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>Honestly, folks, every point that he makes can be refuted and this whole issue forces anyone who has studied the work as much as I have go back into it again for further clarification. Some of his ideas are amazingly unenlightened - including the fact that the only meaning of "harvest" or Ascension in Ra's eyes is that "every person on the planet will die" despite the extensive context of what the soul experiences thereafter. He also states that there are "contradictory statements regarding the timing and mechanism of harvest." The only thing that I can think of that he would be referring to was that in one area Ra says that the quantum shift will be complete between 2011 and 2013, and in another area they say that the last remaining vestiges of third-density may take up to 300 years to clear. I do not feel that this is inconsistent, as even though the quantum shift may have taken place it is still possible for 3D life to continue for a while thereafter. None of us have actually seen yet how this will work, so it is quite peremptory to disavow Ra's words when so many other aspects have come true. 
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>Ra does mention the existence of a species of Bigfoot that was created in the event that humanity suffered a nclear event, in order that the planet be able to be repopulated.Estes then goes on to say that this is irrelevant since "everybody is going to die either way." However, I see it simply as a contingency plan in the event that we somehow did have a disaster prior to Harvest - there would need to be some way to keep the planet going. So no problem there. (and yes that spelling mistake in the first sentence lowers tracking of this Email...)
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>In other places he accuses Ra of not having any "fourth-density green-ray heart energy" and uses the terms STO for service to others and STS for service to self - terms that come out of Ra's work. He tries to make a case that Ra's actions are service-to-self in nature - and that because they say "We do not concern ourselves with the conditions that will produce harvest," meaning Earth Changes, that they don't care if people die. CONTEXTUALLY, what this was referring to was the fact that they did not want to focus on the negative, i.e. Earth Changes, when the positive aspect was that your third-density yellow-ray chemical body naturally gives way in a seamless transition to the higher body. So why should you be worried about losing one body and gaining another if you never feel a loss anyway?
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>All of these things were on my mind as I called Dr. Mandelker in a dull sense of shock, and asked him if he knew what had gotten into Mr. Estes. We proceeded to have a long conversation and it was indeed very significant. Among other things, perhaps the most telling detail is that his wife is also a channeler and her own "sources" have attacked Ra on some of the points that he brought up. And Ra is quick to say that negative entities can easily overwhelm positively oriented channels and render them "quite useless" and use them as tools to attack the Light. (See sec. 7 of Ra Material Study Guide on my site.) 
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>So at this point it becomes a situation of, "Well, DUH..." of course now we can see what the root of this might be. As far as I am concerned, the power of the words themselves override any interpretation of negativity. Yes, it does not read like your typical 4D lovey-dovey channeling, but that wasn't its intention. Ultimately it comes back to you, the seeker. Read the words from the soul and not from the monkey-mind that is quick to jump in fear. Mandelker, myself and many others have benefited tremendously from the work of Ra and that isn't going to change just because someone claims to have read the series '30 times' (he had said 'more than twenty times' to me in an Email only six to eight months ago, as though this is somehow a sign of total knowledge and assimilation of its contents) and his wife's channeling pooh-pooh's it. 
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>Unfortunately, there now is an Internet smear on Ra that will become food for the skeptics who will never bother to read any further and just rehash this material as a means of attack. And that is their choice. Free will must be preserved, and perhaps controversy will stoke the fires a little more and encourage more people to find out for themselves what is really going on.
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>Also, Mandelker revealed to me that he has the unexpected machinery in place for a great new plan to do a series of workshops on the case for Harvest, from the scientific and not the channeling level. I will be sending him a copy of the latest manuscript and he may well end up using the information for this planned series. Things are definitely going into high gear. I had a dream this morning that I was about to get on a plane at the last minute and had a series of flights ahead of me - so things are coming into view.
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>Mandelker will be forwarding me more information about this, including Carla's refutations of his points and other commentaries. Only once I can formulate a clear response that is well-articulated will I mention this on the site, but unfortunately it does need to be mentioned.
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>I hope that all of you can see the intrinsic value of the development with Hoagland.
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>Peace be with you -
>
>- David Wilcock

David Wilcock

11-01-2000, 08:59 PM

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>Dear Steve,
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>Version I of Convergence was called "The 1999 Cycle" and I believe that it still exists in some form at http://www.greatdreams.com/dwchange.html.
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>Version II of Convergence has been rewritten into The Shift of the Ages, and I am now vending copies for $30 - hopefully getting credit services soon. I haven't announced this on the website yet because I still have to iron out some kinks with Laura Lee - I wouldn't agree to the contract.
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>Version III of Convergence has three segments, and I am now in the finishing stages of segment one, "The Physics of Ascension." Most of the internal arguments are already structured and it should be rolled out by Christmas. Then the second book needs to be completed, and the third book will simply be a compilation of some of the best readings that I have done on the subject, so that one will come together in a jiffy. There may be some other information in there as well, such as dreams and the language of metaphor.
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>I hope that answers your question. Anyone who wants Shift of the Ages can contact me at djw333@exis.net and I will give you my normal mail address for donation.
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>Peace be with you all -
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>- David
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style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 4:39 PM
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<tt>Is there a Convergence I? I saw II and III, but no I. Also, does anyone
know if Convergence will be made available in its entirity in book form
anytime soon? Thanx for your time.

Steve DeVries
http://www.immaculatedreams.com

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 korga@hotmail.com wrote:

> David,
>
> I'm excited to hear that you are taking the time to finish Convergance. Many of us here have been sort of
> dangling by a string wondering whether their would be any future updates. Just a quick question or request or
> comment however you see it. I hope that as your focus pushes you forward you continue sharing your work with
> those of us who visit the site. Beyond being mere followers of your progress we are also critics as well. I hope
> that you see us as part of the progress and look forward to seeing where everything goes.
>
> Incarnations
> Korga
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