Instinct vs. Truth

[darktemplarssj]

Hey everyone I've been kinda struggling with an interesting issue
latey.
How is someone to know weather something he or she feels is
right or weather its just a blockage stopping true understanding.
I'm hinging this on the concept of spiritual pain/development.
People tend to avoid the more difficult lessons so its difficult to
seem when something is wrong vs when its a difficult lesson.

I mention this because I've had some internal conflicts with
spiritual ideas before, and some which are prominent espicially
now. I've been trying to decide if my concepts are correct or if
they are mutations of the truth seen through a fuzzy lens.

I guess i'll cite an example. I've for a while felt that the
tantrik path is better than the celibate path but some channeled
material and some allusions in the reincarnation of edgar cayce seem
to indicate that the celibate sexual path is better. It feels
implicitly right that this path is better because it is one of
expression, but perhaps I'm missing something. In any case, the
more important question is the more general one rather than the
awnser to this question.

Someone else told me "Nature is the Law" and this seems right,
but if we want to speed up nature we might have to make some
alternate provisions. I'm just confused in general about this. Any
comments?

Good Journey
-Dave aka DMW

[GenoNess1@...]

In a message dated 5/10/2004 9:17:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
whited4@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=X8sRMXtkVFCC0CorO6a-hrKT8bcV3jJCq1c0zLKmhv0Y2trqkiYCbgOi3JfjQHlnWELXI5 NM9j1axg) writes:
Someone else told me "Nature is the Law" and this seems right,
but if we want to speed up nature we might have to make some
alternate provisions. I'm just confused in general about this. Any
comments?

Good Journey
Hello Dave. Well I feel whatever path you choose is right for you...all is in
Divine order. But you may want to check this out :
http://www.twilightbridge.com/youth/index.htm

Basically it gives the perspective that if you can supress your sexual energy
and redirect it, that gives opportunity for more poweful expression. Remember
every littel thought that we think is a form of expression. Everything we do.
So just do what is right for you. Whatever path you understand in your heart
better. For it is foolish to 'follow' one path or the other not understanding
fully why or how it works in your heart, just because you heard from intuition
that it is better. What is 'best' in my opinion is following your heart and
YOUR individual truth; nobody can tell you what your truth is. I mean you can
do anything really. You can use youre sexual energy to express yourself and
your love. Or you can redirect it and 'give' it to the planet to heal. Or you
can
redirect it to give you more creative vital energy throughout your day to
affect those you come in contact with more fully. there are no rules, only 'your
truth'. this is just my perspective however, hope it helps! Love, me!


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[darktemplarssj]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=YQFc55w4-yFx3b5JsJKrfmXz6NJqfO9g5erV6QeA8S-o627LFBwHKmLRlgO7IxVYzE-ixGsxuU09HcORMwbAVg), GenoNess1@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/10/2004 9:17:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> whited4@r... writes:
> Someone else told me "Nature is the Law" and this seems right,
> but if we want to speed up nature we might have to make some
> alternate provisions. I'm just confused in general about this.
Any
> comments?
>
> Good Journey
> Hello Dave. Well I feel whatever path you choose is right for
you...all is in
> Divine order. But you may want to check this out :
> http://www.twilightbridge.com/youth/index.htm
>


Hmm, Ok now I've got maybe a more important question. I read through
this link and was specifically drawn in by this quote:
"you must never take a shower, tub or a wet towel bath which is cold
enough to chill you internally. If you do you will have undone all of
the good you have gained from performing the rites."

and also this Ra quote comes to mind:

"Those experiencing tingling and visual images are having some
blockage in the energy center being activated and thus the electrical
body spreads this energy out and its effect is diffused."
-Session 50


So my question is, this is exactly what I HAVE been doing(cold
showers and energy tingling from music), inducing these tingling
sensations and energy rays, I was my impression that creating this
stimulation would eventually lead to the spontaneous balancing of the
energy centers. But this article about the Tibetian perspective
seems to differ... So who is right, does anyone here know from
personal experience?? Is it possible to use this imbalance as a
contrast to create balance?...
Good Journey
-Dave aka DMW

[grantcleveland]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=vjRd9Geqzvbj_piFL1s2060D7Wz0zEFfub2hPB JFDOkYv3QXxl-g4TO658e5VMvKq5qGA_LUVsehQCnw0XGQ), "darktemplarssj" <whited4@r...> wrote:
>
> How is someone to know weather something he or she feels is
> right or weather its just a blockage stopping true understanding.

All things need to be integrated eventually. This can be approaching
blockages head on, analyzing and understanding why you placed the
blockage there.
As you said, there can be more that one path to the same destination
and it will definitely be different from one person to another. The
direction we would most like to avoid will be the one to provide the
greatest amount of learning in the shortest amount of time (possibly
with a little bit of sacrifice and suffering, depending on your
attitude.)
One has to think about how their chosen direction will affect those
others involved and how much potential there is for you to generate
love in yourself, with and towards others. Now the STS path, that's
a whole other angle...
I am currently working on the lesson of forgiveness. For me it has
been an extremely difficult thing to do and I'm struggling. It is
something I've avoided my entire life. I am starting to understand
that it is the path that I, and others that are affected by my pent
up anger, need the most.
Love who you are and everything else can fall into place.

Peace

[Sal Rachele]

--- darktemplarssj <whited4@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=PRewKF3epmaplQriWOdxotwYPkBAS6ny-eoiqyHYcdTx2HfbrMr2Mhl5mt5WOn9A6ZAQVDc)> wrote:

> I've for a while felt that the
> tantrik path is better than the celibate path but
> some channeled
> material and some allusions in the reincarnation of
> edgar cayce seem
> to indicate that the celibate sexual path is better.

Sal here:
There are two questions here. The general one, if I
may paraphrase is, "How do I tell whether a choice is
right or wrong for my spiritual path and soul growth?"
Sometimes when something feels bad it is because it is
not the best choice. Other times it is because there
are blockages coming up to be released. I'll use the
specific question to answer the general one.

The second question is regarding celibacy vs. tantric
sex. For most of us, there is a certain amount of
trial and error here. If being celibate makes you feel
more alive and expanded and brings a deep sense of
peace, it's probably the right path for you. If
tantric sex has that effect as well, then perhaps
alternating between periods of celibacy and periods of
tantric sex is the right choice.

You will know if you make the wrong choice because you
will feel drained, confused, anxious, cloudy and
muddled, regardless of whether or not issues are
coming up to be resolved. Go within and ask for God's
loving light to reveal your correct path. Keep asking
until you feel clarity. It might not come right away,
but it WILL come. You might have to be brutally honest
with yourself. You might have to confront unpleasant
feelings.

You can also muscle test as an additional method, but
I would not recommend using muscle testing
exclusively. The answer might not look the way you
would like it to look. But you WILL get clarity on
this if you keep asking.

--Sal




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[Chris Hamilton]

> So my question is, this is exactly what I HAVE been doing(cold
> showers and energy tingling from music), inducing these tingling
> sensations and energy rays, I was my impression that creating this
> stimulation would eventually lead to the spontaneous balancing of the
> energy centers. But this article about the Tibetian perspective
> seems to differ... So who is right, does anyone here know from
> personal experience?? Is it possible to use this imbalance as a
> contrast to create balance?...
> Good Journey
> -Dave aka DMW

Dave!!! I think (only my op btw), that this is a physical male response? :)
I certainly don't need cold showers:) All in good jest here, but if we
quantize our feelings and try to sublimate them, I would think it better to
be a Tibetan monk:) We need to express our feelings, and, hopefully with
otherselves, so we experience different feelings. I am female and married,
but I just couldn't picture a 3D experience without otherselves to mirror.
That is how we learn. That is what creates balance, creates order out of
chaos in our physical expression and makes us whole :) It doesn't
necessarily require a physical closeness to do this either. You may have
good friends you can equate this to, or your parents or whatever. It is
simply us learning to love otherselves and ourselves at the same time. (Sure
sounds easy, hah!). David always did think I simplified excessively:) Love,
Chris

[eskmo]

on 5/10/04 12:49 PM, darktemplarssj at whited4@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=gZW2EN0up_LlDqCUZ4Vaqhao4I5LKJRiRQAYCQ Gihi2D7NoG9uzqElMGkvIQBbFjV-X9Rh8SScmn1A) wrote:
" energy tingling from music"


absolutely - im confused if the quote u put from the Ra material is actually
concerning "tingling" from music.

Personally i these moments of feeling the music, for me at least, are some
of the best and most blissful i've ever felt in life. It certainly feels
like the opposite of any type of blockage, but more of a connection to all.

curious,
brendan


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[GenoNess1@...]

In a message dated 5/10/2004 1:04:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
whited4@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=Ccp8TiMBKMvVpVzHq1ihW92mxiQPTx-jiwR1npF5ll2JnpbdTNkEewNEca7xPfcNREpgwKJsSTWs-w) writes:

So my question is, this is exactly what I HAVE been doing(cold
showers and energy tingling from music), inducing these tingling
sensations and energy rays, I was my impression that creating this
stimulation would eventually lead to the spontaneous balancing of the
energy centers. But this article about the Tibetian perspective
seems to differ... So who is right, does anyone here know from
personal experience?? Is it possible to use this imbalance as a
contrast to create balance?...
Good Journey
-Dave aka DMW
My opinion is, it is what you think it is. Various sources outside yourself
cannot tell you what YOUR truth is. So to use your quote against you if i may
(heheheh) There is no 'right' or 'wrong' with this, simply waht you choose, and
all is in divine order. Use whatever you feel maes more sense to you.
whatever feels better. Because lets say one process is suposed to difuse much
energy,
but to you it feels good, whereas another process supposedly creates and
stores muc energy but is uncomfortable for you for any reason, then obivously
your
inner feelings are counteracting the information from the outside source.
Although if you trust in your source enough then it may jsut sway your inner
beliefs. Ok thats enough of this, heheheh take what you want and leave the rest!
Love, me!


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[Sal Rachele]

--- darktemplarssj <whited4@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=R2P4PfCACNf8K6lkrFbg7HpTlYOOQYg1RM9ENk pNPUS_3mzEDbIFjVfkPnHY0RcfpQMQI2wMww)> wrote:
From RA:
> "Those experiencing tingling and visual images are
> having some
> blockage in the energy center being activated and
> thus the electrical
> body spreads this energy out and its effect is
> diffused."
> -Session 50

Sal here:
Many years ago, I was involved in the practice of
Integrative Rebirthing (conscious breathing) and did
warm water and cold water rebirthing, among other
things.

One of the insights I received, which was borne out by
the practice of rebirthing, confirms what RA has
indicated above. The tingling is not right or wrong,
but it IS an indication that higher energy is
encountering blocks in the nadis or energy meridians
of the body. Once the blockages have been dissolved,
the tingling stops and a feeling of clarity, calmness
and expansion is achieved. This happens most of the
time in a rebirthing session. If the blockages are
heavy, there may be hyperventilation and tetany
(partial paralysis). These effects are also caused by
not relaxing the exhale during the breathing process,
so it is not a cut and dried explanation.

Often during a rebirthing, people experience memories
from birth and early childhood, or relive traumas.
When you are rapidly increasing the prana (life force)
in your body over a short period of time, anything not
in alignment with the increased energy will push
itself to the surface of consciousness to be released.


The good thing about tingling and bodily sensations
are that they indicate a higher frequency of energy is
trying to go through the body. If you breathe, relax
and allow the blockages to dissolve, the tingling will
be replaced by increased awareness and peace.

--Sal




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[Brett]

Ok I know I am a bit late on this reply, so sorry about that. My two
cents is partially taken from the Ra Material in that they describe
how initially the only path a soul could take was service to others.
And that this was changed when it was found that souls took forever
to learn and graduate since there was little catalyst. The second
part of their description of the 10 commandments being sent by a
negative group. To force someone to do something retards growth, to
deny who we are does this also. Infact they say they do not interfer
anymore on this account and it is best to let things run their
course. How I view this is that you can delve into the tantra (and
the Tao also which has alot of sensual sexual exercises that are
very rewarding and healing). I feel the body by nature is not
celebate, that it will have these urges. (to go against them or
suppress them without spiritual exercises usually causes blockages
similiar to what befell alot of the catholic priests). I also feel
that eventually we as individuals and as a species will move beyond
it when we have learned all we can from it. Perhaps the rejoining of
the sexes into one being again, as this was how it was long ago.

For now learn all you can in whatever direction feels right to you.

Thanks for listening... :)

-Brett

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=QstTChtq3oR7EDA8Bd4_GxdDK1LB6bxix2eRM7 q1F6-zf7rWRZQWFV2l-QXlYs5KVwTvfJbuZOim3d1f), "darktemplarssj" <whited4@r...> wrote:
> Hey everyone I've been kinda struggling with an interesting issue
> latey.
> Good Journey
> -Dave aka DMW