The Soul After Ascension

[Leon]

I recently joined this forum.

I have read quite a few books on "spiritual" topics; those
with which I felt close resonance include Gurdjieff, Castaneda, the
Seth material, and Cayce. So when I recently stumbled on the
Ascension web site and the Ra personality, I read it with interest.

I was familiar with the concept of rapture but this was my first
introduction to the synonymous ideas of harvest and Ascension. The
information on the Ascension website builds a strong case but I am
confused about one aspect. (Actually, I am confused about more than
only one but I intend to restrict my discussion to only one at this
time.)

Gurdjieff claimed that it takes 10,000 years to grow a soul. The
progression seems to be that soul growth is the result of experiences
acquired through continual reincarnations. This concept does not seem
to be contradicted by David Wilcock, in whose material reincarnation
is a common theme.

In fact, if I understood everything I read correctly, Ra-Ta was the
incarnation of Ra on Earth, as was Cayce, David Wilcock, and
apparently many, many other lesser-known personalities.

I am led to surmise that the soul who is known as Ra changed due to
the incorporation of the experiences of the various incarnate bodies.
This apparently is the normal sequence of events for everyone now
living on earth, i.e., we are all in contact in some fashion with our
Soul and our reaction to events we encounter in this life leads to
the growth or diminishment of our Soul. The immortality of our
personality associated with our body is thus assured through some
type of unbreakable link with our Soul.

The source of my confusion rests on whom, exactly, undergoes the
experience of Ascension. If I am on earth at the time of Ascension
and, in fact, I am one of those who do ascend, what will be the
status of, and my future relationship with, my Soul? What happens to
those too young to understand the Ascension phenomenon? Assuming I
die before Ascension, can my Soul then not experience Ascension? Or
does it even need to? What is the relationship of the place we end up
after Ascension to the place we end up after a normal death?

Can anyone enlighten me on these types of concerns?

Best regards,

Leon

[Paul Dorner]

(LEON)
I was familiar with the concept of rapture but this was my first
introduction to the synonymous ideas of harvest and Ascension.

Paul here
leon,

ascension is a process of raising ones vibration which is well explained in the
celestine prophecy, although i don't think it actually uses that word,

this IMHO will begin with the first wave, called the rapture in the bible of
the 144,000 ascended masters now incarnate on the earth plane.....

of course they don't seem like ascended masters to you and me because they are
in the fallen state as we all are at the moment........

i believe we must be very very close to that point in time now. In the
ascended state you will have all the powers jesus had and many many more that
you cannot even imagine.....

peace

paul


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[Sal Rachele]

--- Leon <ljan910@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=kGh0W03ZI6LbgxOgJ4KP-Scuxa8eX7idYJNYfz5-TkcTVBeAlX37xuunmD3EntqxrN1icjNXssT9xG4)> wrote:
> If I am on earth at the time of Ascension
> and, in fact, I am one of those who do ascend, what
> will be the status of, and my future relationship
> with, my Soul?

Sal here:
Leon, I'll take these one at a time and do my best to
explain my perceptions. The soul is the individualized
(or individuated) spark of God from which all physical
incarnations arise. In-between incarnations the body
and emotional essence either fragments into the astral
realms (in a relatively unaware soul) or re-unites
with the primary part (in a more advanced soul). At
the time of ascension, the various fragments are
partially integrated and assimilated into the main
part of the soul. The confusion possibly arises
because the physical body becomes a light body and can
reside in many 4D and 5D planes while the main part of
the soul still resides in realms beyond 4D and 5D.

The real issue here is the level of fragmentation. If
a soul is consciously experiencing 4D and 5D realms,
there is really no fragmentation, but rather, an
extension of soul energy into those realms. Think of
the visionary artists' portrayal of a phsyical self
overlighted by an etheric self and cosmic self. Each
higher self is more integrated and expansive than the
one below it, etc.

Leon wrote:
> What happens to those too young to understand the
> Ascension phenomenon? Assuming I die before
> Ascension, can my Soul then not experience
Ascension?

Sal here:
There are two kinds of ascension: phsyical ascension
and spiritual ascension. The easiest of these to
achieve is spiritual ascension, whereby one drops the
body and re-unites with soul (spirit). This has been
practiced throughout the ages by mystics and adepts.
The more advanced form (which we are going through
now) involves taking the body directly into 5D and
rebuilding it into a crystalline lattice of light.
Each cell (DNA blueprint) is transformed into a
vibration of pure light until the body becomes
translucent and immortal, able to travel with ease
throughout the cosmos.

In order to achieve physical ascension, the soul
fragments must unite to a sufficient degree to
overcome the entropy of the lower densities (3D and
4D). This means accepting and reclaiming lost soul
fragments. Souls become fragmented through trauma and
having experiences whereby they long for other times
and dimensions. For example, if a loved one dies, a
part of the self may project to the loved one and
become part of the loved one in whatever plane of
existence that soul is residing in. Every intimate
relationship has the potential to cause soul
fragmentation.

In order to ascend, we must pull those pieces of
ourselves back into our primary soul, either by
reliving and forgiving those experiences, or by
consciously directing our energy (integration).

Leon:
> What is the relationship of
> the place we end up
> after Ascension to the place we end up after a
> normal death?

Sal:
That depends on the level of consciousness at the time
of death. In an unenlightened soul, various fragments
inhabit various astral reams and it takes a long time
for the parts to become aware enough to enter a higher
density and re-unite. In highly enlightened souls, the
non-embodied parts of the soul at the time of death
are re-united in the higher realms (5D and beyond) and
these realms are then similar for death and ascension.

At this time, the goal (if you want to call it that)
is to integrate the spirit and body into a cohesive
whole, thereby creating a new 5D earthly paradise. The
new Earth will be a playground of souls learning how
to master their spiritual gifts of being able to
materialize and dematerialize bodies, travel
throughout the cosmos in merkabah vehicles of light
and other assorted delights. :-))

--Sal




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[Lesley Schultz]

My dear Sal:

What a wonderfully concise and clear explanation of
the process of ascension! I was quite curious about
that myself. Could you bear it if I did a little
recapitulation of what I understand from your process,
and what I thought was going on?

I admit to some confusion about how the ascension
process is 'triggered.' One vision of the process is
that it will take a few hundred years, and will result
of the gradual attrition of 3D bodies dying and being
reborn into bodies that gradually assume complete 4D
form. The ascension, then, is spiritual first and
then becomes completely physical in a gradual way.

Another vision has it that there will be a big event,
including a polar shift and a massive bolus of energy
from the sun which will in effect clear off nearly all
of the 3D human life. Those that are able to absorb
the energy coming in to their physical forms on earth
right now will be ascending physically as well as
spiritually. The rest will be 'harvested' through the
leaving of the physical body. Some will be able to
ascend spiritually and be able to be reborn into a 4D
body, but many will not.

Yet another vision related to this one has an MBE or
Mass Boarding Event immediately preceed the polar
shift, which would cause very many to leave the
physical. This MBE, if I integrate it to your
description of the ascension of the physical body and
the spiritual body, takes the form of an encounter
with a being or some kind most special and particular
to the one being visited. An invitation is issued to
accompany the being, and if accepted, the being takes
the person into a vehicle of some kind and there the
person is passed through the physical and spiritual
ascension process. The death experience is a part of
the ascension process, but it is more of a by-product
of the encounter rather than a regular
leaving-of-the-physical through accident, event,
disease, etc.

My understanding is that, if the person is to be
returned to the new 4D Gaia to resume work, the
experiences, knowledge, personality, emotional makeup,
etc. will be preserved during the ascension process--
although the experience will greatly augment all of
these. The returnees will be assisted in learning to
understand their new bodies and abilities, and the
idea here is to 'teach the teachers.' The newly
ascended 4D beings on Terra will need lots of help and
coaching to adjust, as will be very different for
them. There will be much work to do, even with
greatly augmented abilities to do it with. I
understand also that there will be many Wanderers,
including some from Ra, that will be among the new
teachers. For them it will be a lot like remembering
rather than learning anew, but as the veil will be
gone the separated 3D from all the higher densities,
it will still be quite something to integrate.

I was intrigued about what you said about
fragmentation. I recall a passage towards the end
from Steven Spielberg's "A.I.", where the kindly alien
is explaining to the robot child that the life
experience of each human being leaves a kind of trace
through space and time, with a unique 'signature.' As
experience accumulates, the trace gets longer, but
when the life is ended, the trace stops but there is a
kind of residue left. It has about a one wake/sleep
cycle duration. This fragment is utterly unique to
each individual, is a fractal of the person's life in
every way, but when it's gone, it's really gone. The
fabric of space/time has effectively absorbed the
truth and evanescent quality of that life into its
being, and it is not individuated in quite the same
way again. This seemed to me, when I heard it, a most
reasonable assumption. It also seems to fit well in
with what I understand of your theory.

I recall Leon mentioning that he felt anxious about
leaving behind the parts of him that made him a unique
being unto himself in the ascension process. I'd like
to point out that what we see now as our unique
personality is in fact made up of a number of things
that will change when the body changes. The very
lifeforce and makeup of the body itself has an
important impact on what we see as personality, as do
social biases and training, experience conditioning,
etc. etc. etc. When those are cleared away at death,
what remains is no less 'you' than it was when you
were in the physical body. If you are able to reunite
with the fragments Sal describes, you become more
'you' than you were before! In some ways, the 'you'
you're experiencing as reality right now is quite
limited. It is important, utterly unique and
precious, this experience right now in the physical,
but by no means all there is or all you are.

Clear as mud?

Now, I could be way wrong about this. I hope someone
will correct me.

Thanks again, Sal, for your thoughts on this!

Blessings,
~lesley








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[Sal Rachele]

Sal here: I will respond to Lesley's post one
paragraph at a time.

--- Lesley Schultz <msthoth@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=uNOUO8ek9WhDICtgZy2rxZV3BhhfSl5_j_Krd_ i8sykR2DX3u_O0XnIpF8S-jzN0YJ-IHjWn4nsM4g)> wrote:

> I admit to some confusion about how the ascension
> process is 'triggered.'

Sal:
The understanding I received directly is that each
embodied soul has a 'master template' encoded within
the DNA that determines when the 'trigger' is
activated. At the time of the activation, the cells of
the physical body begin to mutate into the light body
form. My trigger occurred in 1991, and I am
approximately 0.12% (12/10000) complete in my
ascension process. The ascension accelerates
logarithmically, so it starts slowly and builds
momentum. At this rate, it will be complete within 20
years.

Lesley:
> One vision of the process is that it will take a
> few hundred years, and will result in
> the gradual attrition of 3D bodies dying and
> being reborn into bodies that gradually assume
> complete 4D form.

Sal:
I don't believe this is entirely accurate. Due to free
will, the amount of time necessary for the 'master
template' to completely convert the 3D body into the
light body is a variable. In physical ascension, the
following factors determine the timeline: (1) the
spiritual awareness of the individual; (2) the
proximity of the master cycle (the current one ends in
2012 A.D.); (3) the age and health of the individual;
and (4) decisions made by Universal Consciousness (aka
divine intervention).

Lesley:
> The ascension, then, is spiritual first and
> then becomes completely physical in a gradual way.

Sal:
Sort of. Most souls undergo several spiritual
ascensions whereby they consciously leave the body and
ascend into higher realms and then reincarnate again
before they are ready to take the body with them
through physical ascension.

Lesley:
> Another vision has it that there will be a big
> event, including a polar shift and a massive bolus
of
> energy from the sun which will in effect clear off
> nearly all of the 3D human life.

Sal:
Yes. We are entering the last few years of the grand
cycle. Cosmic events will likely trigger the above
scenario between now and 2012. There is a window
between 2012 and 2030 in which these events may spread
out, allowing some more time to make the shift.

Lesley:
> Those that are able to absorb
> the energy coming in to their physical forms on
> earth right now will be ascending physically as well
> as spiritually. The rest will be 'harvested'
> through the leaving of the physical body.

Sal:
Yes and no. The first part is right on target, IMHO.
As for the harvest, there is conflicting information
about the nature of this event, if it occurs. Some
refer to the physical asension as the harvest, while
others refer to both physical and spiritual ascension.
Let's assume there will be four main groups involved:
(1) those who take their bodies directly into the
light; (2) those who leave their bodies and ascend
into the light; (3) those who are taken off in
spacecraft, keeping their present bodies; and (4)
those who leave their bodies and incarnate on another
3D world.

Lesley:
> Yet another vision related to this one has an MBE or
> Mass Boarding Event...the person [is put] into a
> vehicle of some kind and there the person is passed
> through the physical and spiritual ascension
process.

Sal:
Unlikely. If individuals are transported off the
planet, it will most likely be because they are
important to the divine plan for the new Earth. The
beings responsible for the 'evacuation' could feel
that these individuals are needed in the new world
even though they are unable to ascend physically at
that time.

Lesley:
> The death experience is a part of
> the ascension process, but it is more of a
> by-product of the encounter rather than a regular
> leaving-of-the-physical through accident, event,
> disease, etc.

Sal:
I'm not sure what you mean by this. The personality or
'ego' will undoubtedly experience a major 'death'
event during ascension because everything it had grown
accustomed to will be changed. Otherwise, the physical
death process will likely be as described above.

Lesley:
> My understanding is that, if the person is to be
> returned to the new 4D Gaia to resume work, the
> experiences, knowledge, personality, emotional
> makeup, etc. will be preserved during the ascension
> process--although the experience will greatly
> augment all of these...

Sal:
Most likely the soul will retain pre-event experiences
in memory, along with some trauma, but the new
experiences will overshadow the memories.

Lesley:
> I was intrigued about what you said about
> fragmentation.

Sal:
Ascension is an integrating process. Whatever
fragments of a being are scattered across the universe
must be brought back into the primary soul identity.
This can be achieved instantaneously through conscious
meditation, therapy, or other techniques. The best way
to ensure integration is to love and accept all parts
of the self.

In closing, I would say that the ascension process
will be extremely joyful and most of us will have
little or no memory of life before ascension once it
is complete. Why? Because we will be enraptured at the
beauty of the fifth density. It will be like waking
from a very intense dream. At first, we might remember
snippets of the old dream, but as we adjust to our new
surroundings, the dream will fade quickly.

Thanks, Lesley, for your input.

--Sal




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[Paul Dorner]

--- Lesley Schultz <msthoth@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=21f5J198UxfBt3MFXRfKJnQ09h-fH97godWjXoMFvSMkhLpFsmV0iiKshkwn76hSNQeb9SmE5qo)> wrote:

> I admit to some confusion about how the ascension
> process is 'triggered.'

lesly.............

i believe the trigger will be an event similar to 911......

what they tried to do then, by attacking the world trade center, was to bring
down the whole world economy.........

and they almost succeeded........................

so that will be the trigger.........

i would guess they might try to take out the saudi feilds......

but who knows?.........but it will be a major shock to the way things are
done..........

and we'll all be very aware of what has just happened,

ps to leon........

your soul is already ascended!!

paul




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[Tony P.]

I would like to bring up the part where the Ra Material spoke of a
1,350 (generation and a half) transition period from 2nd to 3rd
density. I wonder if the transition period from 3rd to 4th will be
approximately the same.

[grantcleveland]

> Sal here: My trigger occurred in 1991, and I am
> approximately 0.12% (12/10000) complete in my
> ascension process.


Sal, according to your understanding and if you are willing, what
exactly was your trigger and how do you know it to be so.

Can others expect similar triggers or would they be individualized.
Is there a way for someone to comfirm a trigger event and how do you
have such a specific value for your progress!?

Peace- Grant

[Lesley Schultz]

Hi Tony, L/L & Peace to All:

--- "Tony P." <doomstars@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=t7sqhCTmI72JvsNJjM3rbLWNWUEd0W6litlSmv xHokSSU-Y0KG5QF3czqgf8UgLLjYsuUAeh8hImQaCi)> wrote:
> I would like to bring up the part where the Ra
> Material spoke of a
> 1,350 (generation and a half) transition period from
> 2nd to 3rd
> density. I wonder if the transition period from 3rd
> to 4th will be
> approximately the same.

LS: Yes, Ra did say that it would take about a
generation and a half to make the full transition from
3D bodies to 4D. The sort of discrepancy between what
one source says and another is kind of what this
thread has been about.

A while back there was a thread similar to this one,
where Carla laid out what her thoughts are on the
whole business of harvest and ascension, and DW laided
out his. The fact that the two of them are different
doesn't bother either of them, mostly because of one
critical element: *it hasn't happened yet.* There are
still many variations in scenarios of how things could
go out. Those of Ra said plainly that the future is
not a totally set thing. We also had an earlier
thread on the List, where we discussed the past
affecting the future and the possible that the
converse might be true also. Some parts of the future
[as we see it unfold] are indeed set. There *will* be
a harvest; human beings will not be living here as 3D
entities, but will be 4D within what is viewed as a
cosmic twinkling of an eye. Gaia is already a mostly
4D sphere, as is the area of space that we're
spiraling into. That is certain.

Those of Ra said twenty years ago, and it's probably
still true today, that all of humanity on earth could
achieve enlightenment and thus ascend in one fine,
glorious moment of recognition of the Truth [We are
ONE.] Is it likely? No. Does that mean we stop
working for it, hoping for it, desiring it? No. To
give up and not envision it at all is to deny [say
those of Ra] the boundless possibilities of Infinity.
It might be logical to say that, okay, this scenario
is a possibility-- also the one where it takes several
hundred years to ascend/become 4D, and also the one
where it happens much more quickly, with a catalyst in
the form of an MBE or natural event. There might also
be the possibility that each person defines at least
some parameters of his or her own ascension
experience.

Where those of Ra are [excepting those of Ra that are
down here in 3D, of course...] time is experienced as
simultaneous. All events are occurring NOW. The first
and most primal distortion of Free Will is what keeps
things flowing and changing, making absolute
prediction of every event impossible. The ONE
expresses and experiences Itself in a universal
playground with very few rules. The experience of the
ONE undergoing ascension on Terra right now will be
precisely what it needs it to be, of THAT we can be
certain.

It's not at all impossible that Carla is right, and DW
is right, and Sal is right, and you are right, and
Leon is right, and I am right about the process of
ascension. And those of Ra are right as well, and
those of Qu'o. At least about some elements of the
ascension experience. [I bet Qu'o has a great qu'ote
for this whole discussion...;-) I love Qu'o, they are
FABULOUS.]

Some of what Sal writes resonates with me very
strongly, but also some of what Carla says and what DW
says seems to me to be very accurate as well.
We know that 3D is not the density of wisdom or
understanding. That seems to be very true, at least!

I hope I haven't confused anyone more on this List,
and please bear in mind that all of this is only my
humble opinion and nothing else.

Blessings and peace,
~lesley





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[Sal Rachele]

--- grantcleveland <grant_a_cleveland@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=CEqwnHnMkP-HOANEJSKsmO_wmCidurUXIvOiPhg1dFAWGbForumNuAD63ZPxm YCyiemO3m_zWoWtAOtNmzAoHLVUS-4G7A)>
wrote:

> Sal, according to your understanding and if you are
> willing, what exactly was your trigger and how do
> you know it to be so.

Sal here:
Grant, thanks for asking. I was in Sedona (AZ, USA) in
1991 and spent a lot of time meditating. I receive
information telepathically through the filter of my
"God Self". The information is sometimes quite
specific.

I had previously written about the building of the
"Crystal Light Body" and how our cells are converted
into light through a complex process I call the
"Master Template." The message I then received was
that this process had started (the specific trigger
was an event called 11:11). Some people I knew at the
time had began their conversion process earlier, and
some would begin later.

This conversion process does not show up immediately
in one's appearance, and any physical, emotional or
mental blocks in the individual must come up and be
released in order for the process to proceed smoothly.
But the process is pre-determined by the structure of
the DNA and 'sacred fire letter' codes (DNA keys). The
soul/oversoul of the individual determines the
timeline based on what the individual has learned and
whether or not they have understood how to transcend
karma. (More on that later.)

I suspect that most, if not all, readers of this post
have either begun their conversion process or will be
beginning it in the very near future. This is, as I
mentioned before, a function of free will and
vibratory state, but if it is your intention to get on
with ascension, your process timeline could be sped
up.

I'll talk more about this later.

--Sal




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[raistlinflux]

> Sal:
> The understanding I received directly is that each
> embodied soul has a 'master template' encoded within
> the DNA that determines when the 'trigger' is
> activated. At the time of the activation, the cells of
> the physical body begin to mutate into the light body
> form. My trigger occurred in 1991, and I am
> approximately 0.12% (12/10000) complete in my
> ascension process. The ascension accelerates
> logarithmically, so it starts slowly and builds
> momentum. At this rate, it will be complete within 20
> years.
>

I was just wondering if you could share some information on how you
have obtained the information about the trigger that you mentioned.
Was this through meditation or other means?

thanks,
Vlad

[GenoNess1@...]

Mine has changed a little over the past months.
Things aren't quite as frequent as they used to be.
Now I tend to notice 12:34 dominantly.
Anyone have any ideas what number this encodes?

Jason
Hello Jason...I see this one a lot to, as well as :46's, which are amongst my
favourites. I also see 11:11, 11:22, stuff like that, anything with a pattern
really. (i have been told that 46 is the number of ascension)i jsut checked
the clock as it changed to 2:10. thats agood one too, heheheh. Anyways I have
felt that 12:34 is a good one, to me it symbolizes moving forward, the
unstoppable nature of change in the universe. the unending rhythm of life.
11:11, as
others have asked what it might symbolize (and thats all these can be, really,
is symbols or triggers that remind us of our true transcendant
nature{synchronicity}), to me it means divine alignment, purity of intention.
Like "you are
on the right track". I tend to see this one when i get home from doing
something enlightening, and that is almost every day. I love looking at the
clock in
my car right when i pull up to the curb in a great mood and seeing 11:11. its
wonderful. Look up 'digital triggers' and you might find some helpful
perspectives. I know there is good information on crystalinks.com and
greatdreams.com,
just hit ctrl+f and type digital triggers that might do it. Love, Kyle!


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[Jason Wharton]

Sal wrote:
> I had previously written about the building of the
> "Crystal Light Body" and how our cells are converted
> into light through a complex process I call the
> "Master Template." The message I then received was
> that this process had started (the specific trigger
> was an event called 11:11). Some people I knew at the
> time had began their conversion process earlier, and
> some would begin later.

Does this 11:11 thing have anything to do with why some years ago I started
haplessly looking at my clock at precisely 11:11 and multiples of 11 on a
very regular basis? So much so it really started getting my attention.

Things I've read suggested I'm a "light-worker" and I've more or less gotten
comfortable with that, but I still wonder if there is more to it than just
me being someone here with a pre-incarnate responsibility to fulfill.

I'd be very interested in your additional comments on this subject as well
as any references to similar material. Particularly in regard to converting
my body over to a light body.

Also, if you have anything to add specifically about sungazing I'd like to
hear it. I've been doing this practice for some time now and have worked up
to over 17 minutes of gazing a day.

Thanks for responding.

Jason Wharton

[Michael.Vogt@...]

Jason wrote:

"....some years ago I started haplessly looking at my clock at precisely
11:11 and multiples of 11 on a very regular basis......."
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I too have experienced this type of phenomena for a few years now except
that I'm seeing the numbers 4, 11, 24, 40 and 44. If I happen to turn on the
TV "by chance" there may be a horse race or a car race where one or more of
the above numbers just happen to appear. This occurence doesn't just happen
once a day but several times a day especially involving clocks. I keep
thinking that those numbers represent lottery numbers but................
fat chance.

I have to admit that I did take several jaunts to Idaho to buy lottery
tickets with hopes of hitting the big one. To this day I still drive a 1980
Chevette that keeps overheating, in other words the lottery isn't part of
the plan. :-)

When I first noticed the mystery involving the above mentioned numbers I
became somewhat uneasy but then it became quite common and the feeling of
fear left me. Now I encounter the numbers with frustration since I have no
clue as to their meaning.

I like to believe that something good is happening and eventually the
meaning of it will be manifested to me in one way or another.

Now as I look at the clock it's 1:11. Weird, huh?

It's all good.

Mike


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[Jason Wharton]

Mine has changed a little over the past months.
Things aren't quite as frequent as they used to be.
Now I tend to notice 12:34 dominantly.
Anyone have any ideas what number this encodes?

Jason

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Subject: RE: [asc2k] Re: The Soul After Ascension

I too have experienced this type of phenomena for a few years now except
that I'm seeing the numbers 4, 11, 24, 40 and 44.....

[Detlef]

Sal here:

I had previously written about the building of the
"Crystal Light Body" and how our cells are converted
into light through a complex process I call the
"Master Template." The message I then received was
that this process had started (the specific trigger
was an event called 11:11). Some people I knew at the
time had began their conversion process earlier, and
some would begin later.

Detlef:
Thank you for the information, when I checked through my divine self on that
subject, I was told
that the process in regards to the light body has started seven years ago and
will take in all 37 years. Does that make any sense?
Regards

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[Sal Rachele]

--- Jason Wharton <jwharton@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=KxVw4C7eF-LRhzkfp_7KJXBjWxLulcpK6p00_KSjUJjeTYN2S4lJAph1TbXu NNpZj6iph4xJUbaC0cvXGrE)> wrote:
>
> Does this 11:11 thing have anything to do with why
> some years ago I started
> haplessly looking at my clock at precisely 11:11 and
> multiples of 11 on a very regular basis?

Sal here:
Jason, I feel numerology, like all divining tools, is
a trigger to help us remember. Perhaps the main
meaning of master numbers like '11' is to help us
remember we are all ONE. When you put ONE and ONE
together, you do not always make TWO. Sometimes you
make ELEVEN. Perhaps when two or more are gathered,
the energy is 11 times more powerful.

As for sungazing, I'm not sure I know what that is.
Are you looking directly into the sun without eye
protection? Unless you have already reached a certain
level of light body activation, this could be harmful.

You must ask your inner-most Self the meaning of these
symbols. I am glad to help in any way I can.

--Sal




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--- Jason Wharton <jwharton@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=45_lyvF6JMORSWuYBkMHoMO0L_p775Us6jKZKD VVDJzdxU-d4CVN4QeZgESV4i5y2nyZ20uvEKa-w0337to)> wrote:
> Does this 11:11 thing have anything to do with why
> some years ago I started
> haplessly looking at my clock at precisely 11:11 and
> multiples of 11 on a
> very regular basis? So much so it really started
> getting my attention.

For me, it became really noticeable in the past couple
years and continues to increase in frequency. Nowadays
this phenomenon is so incredibly persistent I must
laugh whenever I get 11:11 or any of a wide variety of
numerical synchronicities on all forms of LCD displays
from gas pumps to DVD players. And that's *just* the
numerical synchronicities. I'm not sure WHAT to think
about all the other ones...

-Drew




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[Jason Wharton]

Sal wrote:
As for sungazing, I'm not sure I know what that is.
Are you looking directly into the sun without eye
protection? Unless you have already reached a certain
level of light body activation, this could be harmful.

[jlw]
Yes, I follow the HRM protocol. It is a practice where you stand bare-foot
on bare-earth and look directly at the sun without any special eye
protection other than only doing it just after sunrise or just prior to
sunset when UV levels are insignificant. There is a 1-hour window of time
when looking directly at the sun should not produce injury to the eye.

Also, one starts out on the first day gazing only for 5 to 10 seconds and
then each day you do it you add only 5 to 10 seconds to your time. Thus by
the third day you could be up to 30 seconds.

After about 9 months to a year you should be able to reach up to 44 minutes
and after you have reached this long you should not extend your time any
longer than that and you also should be done. It is not necessary to do it
any longer. Whatever conversion that takes place is fully complete by that
time.

In general it is reported that there are three phases. At about 15 minutes a
person's mental functioning is charged and activated in a way that enables a
person to maintain a cheerful outlook. Depression melts away. At about 30
minutes physical healing to the body takes place as the body itself starts
to receive the solar energy. At the 44 minute completion the body is able to
subsist on direct solar energy and the need for food is eliminated.

Since I'm only up to 17 minutes I cannot speak from experience beyond that.
I'm not a person given to depression so its hard to say if I've been
significantly helped in that regard. In many respects I feel much the same
now as when I started. I consider no news as good news...

My eyesight is unaffected and I go the entire 17 minutes very comfortable
and in fact enjoying the beautiful sun. I do remove my eyeglasses and I am
hoping my eyes will actually be corrected. There is mention on web-sites of
people gaining corrections to their eyesight from various disorders.

Here is the web-site of the methodology that I follow:
http://www.solarhealing.com

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Jason Wharton

[GenoNess1@...]

On sun-gazing- thank you for the positively en-LIGHTening (sorry couldnt
resist, yum yum humour!) info and technique. i will check out that website!
love,
me


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[lvx08]

Mitch Battros on earthchangestv interviewed someone a couple of
months ago who has written quite a bit about this phenomenon and what
she thinks it means. I am not a member of this website so I can't
access the audio archives to retrieve her website. Maybe someone on
this forum (David lighteye?) can


--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=meOLwHsFwpgGJJElP4RsXaZ4XnCZA3sKmj67Nm I_jrAdcf4CLM_7_FenFsOhw24cWvDbCIjOUoIFNS8Jrsmw), Michael.Vogt@l... wrote:
> Jason wrote:
>
> "....some years ago I started haplessly looking at my clock at
precisely
> 11:11 and multiples of 11 on a very regular basis......."
>

[Luis Albanés]

Here Luis:
If you watch birds, they look at the sun every morning blinking their eyes.-
Blessings
Luis

Jason Wharton <jwharton@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=-L1svcuX5SjqLGcF-OHHKpa5BprOZYoBCDKoz1vPTY06AFG1ZJSD18hBxxtqqDsENpD oEKYdIocnTKiv0g)> wrote:
Sal wrote:
As for sungazing, I'm not sure I know what that is.
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[Filip Van Droogenbroeck]

Hi everybody


> [jlw]
> Yes, I follow the HRM protocol. It is a practice where you stand
bare-foot
> on bare-earth and look directly at the sun without any special eye
> protection other than only doing it just after sunrise or just prior
>to sunset when UV levels are insignificant. There is a 1-hour window
>of time when looking directly at the sun should not produce injury to
>the eye.
>

I have been doing this for a few months from time to time looking
directly at the sun my eyes are still the same as they ever where.
I think it's really psychological if sunlight could be bad for your
eyes or whatever. Self belief is the key in my view.
It's one of those things scientists have been spreading out that it's
dangerous to watch directly in the sun but i wouldn't know why.
Ofcourse in the middle of the day it's pretty hard to look at it
directly without totally wet eyes ;)
It very beautifull to become one and focus on the sun.
It's also funny that we can't even look at the sun how it really is
because it shines to bright in the day ;)
The story of that person from India that looks at the sun for an hour
for his food and hasn't eaten for several years shows enough for me.


Peace and joy
filip

[Chris Hamilton]

> > [jlw]
>There is a 1-hour window of time when looking directly at the sun should
not produce injury to the eye.
>
Self belief is the key in my view.
> It's one of those things scientists have been spreading out that it's
> dangerous to watch directly in the sun but i wouldn't know why.
> Ofcourse in the middle of the day it's pretty hard to look at it
> directly without totally wet eyes ;) Peace and joy > filip
>
Filip my man,

In all respect, please don't look at the sun in midday-you WILL blind
yourself dear. Even Jason (above) said that there is only a one hour window
when this can be done at sunset and sunrise (I'm not so sure it is that long
either). So, please be careful Filip:) Love, Chris

[Sal Rachele]

--- Detlef <dgeorg@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=-0H3ZNpNRmjTgzwOZrmMBXo6NathX5eWMyfvem5tmAJmy-T6jYtCZS_PjmOlmlNru7-i04h9p7fVX-y_1cw)> wrote regarding
activation of the master template for ascension:

> Thank you for the information, when I checked
> through my divine self on that subject, I was told
> that the process in regards to the light body has
> started seven years ago and will take in all 37
> years. Does that make any sense?

Sal here:
Detlef, that seems like a reasonable time frame (and
we know time is a variable). That would mean the
process would occur between about 1997 and 2034.
Whether this represents a 'first wave' or 'second
wave' or something outside the mass events remains to
be seen.





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