Creator/God knowing itself (and such)

[Tony P.]

it is said the creator/god wanted to know/experience itself. some
questions have came across my mind, and maybe some other members
could enlighten on this view.

i wonder if god knows how it was created.
i wonder if god knows why it exists.
i wonder if god knows what it exists of, i.e. what does the mind
exist of, the substance.

and i keep coming to this conclusion. god is 50% omnipotent, 50%
omnscient, and omnipresent in creation and itself. god would only
know what it already knows, itself. but it doesn't know what it
doesn't know, like if there's something outside of itself, and how it
would get outside of itself without "falling".

[Michael Bergman]

>it is said the creator/god wanted to know/experience itself. some
>questions have came across my mind, and maybe some other members
>could enlighten on this view.

mikey: i don't know if this is enlightening but here is my viewpoint of
truth which can be summed up in two little words: know yourself.

>i wonder if god knows how it was created.

mikey: here are some more of my opinions to your wonderings. i do not feel
that god/creator was created but instead became aware of that which is
infinite, the isness or beingness of unity. do you know how you are aware?
is awareness not knowingness itself? if god/creator is aware of infinity
does it not also know infinity? know yourself and you know what god/creator
knows.

>i wonder if god knows why it exists.

mikey: i feel your first statement explains why god/creator exists which is
to know/experience itself. existence/experience is bliss. do you know why
you exist? is your existence not the wondering/experience of god/creator
itself? know yourself and you know why god/creator exists.

>i wonder if god knows what it exists of, i.e. what does the mind
>exist of, the substance.

mikey: i feel if you replace the word "god" with "you" on all these
questions the answers reveal themselves quite simply for are we not one with
god? so again i will mirror this question back to yourself and ask do you
know the essence of yourself? the essence/substance of all things is
consciousness/awareness/silence/love/light/unity/infinity/oneness/intelligence/e\
nergy/mystery
whatever you wish to call the screen/substratum of all that is upon which
creation/manifestation dances. the love of creating experience is bliss
itself.

>and i keep coming to this conclusion. god is 50% omnipotent, 50%
>omnscient, and omnipresent in creation and itself. god would only
>know what it already knows, itself. but it doesn't know what it
>doesn't know, like if there's something outside of itself, and how it
>would get outside of itself without "falling".

mikey: god/creator knows/experiences infinity itself. there is nothing
outside of infinity for infinity contains all things. well that is my story
and i am sticking to it :)

peace,
mikey

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[Tony P.]

concerning the "stuff" god is made out of, why does this "stuff"
exist and what is "this stuff". cause it seems highly illogical to
say nothingness formed into stuff, for what medium was that
nothingness of? and maybe this will be a paradox that will fall apart
as we ascend, but it's still on my mind.

[GenoNess1@...]

in a message dated 4/20/2004 7:29:54 am pacific standard time,
doomstars@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ongjlote3f4se2yzyeik6rcgq_t0qjpqtxcytx qrhk_unrdbg_etqd-wprhb8mopz5_pupzmgd9c6x90fjm) writes:
it is said the creator/god wanted to know/experience itself. some
questions have came across my mind, and maybe some other members
could enlighten on this view.

i wonder if god knows how it was created.

if you think of god as a broader more knowledgable presence, then you must
understand that questions based in less broad thinking cannot be
satisfactorially answered by a more broad perpspective. i believe god's creation
was a
process of self discovery and god is still being created, in teh form of our
awakening. so ask yourself this question and you may get a more pertinent
answer.

the purity of the answer is dependant on the focus of the intent within the
question...as an aside.

i wonder if god knows why it exists.
i would presume/believe that god's reason for existance is = gods purpose or
gods intent, which is self explanatory - in a sense...why do you exist? why
does the bug or the tree exist? in my opinion they are all facets of god,
expressions of the divine, all divine in nature...so i believe that the fact
that
these things exist, that this divinity is being expressed in reality, is a
benchmark for gods knowledge of its existance. does that make sense to you?

i wonder if god knows what it exists of, i.e. what does the mind
exist of, the substance.

and i keep coming to this conclusion. god is 50% omnipotent, 50%
omnscient, and omnipresent in creation and itself. god would only
know what it already knows, itself. but it doesn't know what it
doesn't know, like if there's something outside of itself, and how it
would get outside of itself without "falling".
i am not sure what you mean. but your curiousity has piqued my curiosity, so
i would love to continue this conversation! love, me!

by the way, i am a brand new memeber, since yesterday, and i had expected to
be a 'lurker' for some time but i am realizing taht this group is so perfect
for the present stage of my life taht i have no reservations in expressing my
thougths. which is how it should be! i am learning so much already...thank you
all, in love, me! (kyle stoner)


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[GenoNess1@...]

in a message dated 4/20/2004 8:48:28 am pacific standard time,
bergmanmichael@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=essh7b8nmh3gxm9ap-3olfor8-_9jmmykmdixykhlrmk0zk8kmnwhnsor0ox5n_xh5fjbzm1e8tf mink) writes:
mikey: i feel if you replace the word "god" with "you" on all these
questions the answers reveal themselves quite simply for are we not one with
god?
i like this perspective, but i would also take into account (because it is my
belief) that god is a label for the collective whole of teh universe, and as
such there are so many aspects to be answered when asking a question of the
nature of god that a satisfactory answer must be phrased in a roundabout way to
some extent; that is, you must take into consideration the expectations of the
questioner and answer to that.

as for this part:
>i wonder if god knows what it exists of, i.e. what does the mind
>exist of, the substance.

i would amend my rpevious answer, and reply to your answer, with my thought
that teh substance of mind is the whole of the perception/experience of that
which is experiencing. so you, as an individual, are the substance of mind, if
you percieve yourself to be separate from god; or if you are more awakened, and
take into consideration more of creation in your moment-to-moment experience,
then all that which you percieve perhaps is the substance of mind/the
relative experience.


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[James Holmes]

the old tibetan sages said that awareness in an attribute of space. thus,
it cannot be created nor destroyed. from that, all else follows.

jim

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concerning the "stuff" god is made out of, why does this "stuff"
exist and what is "this stuff". cause it seems highly illogical to
say nothingness formed into stuff, for what medium was that
nothingness of? and maybe this will be a paradox that will fall apart
as we ascend, but it's still on my mind.




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