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SgtPppr
09-04-2001, 09:41 AM
> there is no true evolution or learning in the fallen universe, only
development of the illusion in the collective luciferic (i.e., undivine)
mind. this has also been called the 'wheel of birth and death'. note that
it is a 'wheel', not a spiral, as is the true evolution in god.

> absolutely everything in the fallen universe is false, an illusion, but
a poor reflection of the divine universe.


to say evolution can function without learning or experience is an
oxymoron. if we were here to find "god" and nothing more, i would find
"god" to be a saddistic being with no concern about the welfare of
"its" people. the dogma which you preach is nothing more than a rehash of
negative christian distortions meant to produce obediance without the
burdens of feeling or thought.

what really irks me about this list though is the number of posts that
essentally boil down to "this is what i believe and it is the absolute
truth for everyone" and "i don't need any proof or research because i said
so". i have found even truth itself can be a hinderance to growth. if
someone believes that earth is a marble in some galactic marble game and
it helps them to evolve and grow back towards oneness, then so be it. to
force a truth that does not work for someone else on them is to be a
stumbling stone in their journey.

one last thing, to say that everything in the "fallen universe is an
illusion" is to say that polarity is not an illusion. the term
"fallen" itself is probably responsible for more distortion of truth than
anything else. the second you say that something is fallen is to say that
they are no longer part of what they fell from. there was never a schism
between us and "god". that is the only illusion.


steve devries
http://www.twerked.com/lunardesign
http://www.twerked.com/immaculatedreams

Jeremy Weiland
09-04-2001, 11:27 AM
> what really irks me about this list though is the number of posts
that
> essentally boil down to "this is what i believe and it is the
absolute
> truth for everyone" and "i don't need any proof or research because
i said
> so".

completely, emphatically, 100% agree with you on that, steve. a lot
of people come on the list, if not intentionally, then at least
*appearing* to spout irrefutable truth - and this can have quite a
negative effect, even if it is potentially helpful.

yet sometimes when you try to tell a person that their manner of
presenting info is too harsh or dogmatic, they get all defensive and
act like you're trying to shut them down...

> i have found even truth itself can be a hinderance to growth. if
> someone believes that earth is a marble in some galactic marble
game and
> it helps them to evolve and grow back towards oneness, then so be
it.

if more people really believed this, we'd have a better time on
earth - period. truth is entirely and utterly subjective in 3d.

> to
> force a truth that does not work for someone else on them is to be a
> stumbling stone in their journey.

as well as for the person who forces, of course.

i think you articulated some astute observations about a lot of the
conversation that occurs here on the list. i hope some of these
posts don't "irk" ya too much and that you stick around.

jeremy

LO
09-04-2001, 11:33 AM
essence
www.thegreatillusion.com




--- sgtpppr <spdevrie@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=6gfqrzf2hllph9ks1driai0-kv-0_-qhbgqo_wzyx-uar7cf9z2iv4lsnoer-ui1ukqtmrt9npohacyg08pqgqgvzrwgokjuhka)>
wrote:
> > there is no true evolution or learning in the
> fallen universe, only
> development of the illusion in the collective
> luciferic (i.e., undivine)
> mind. this has also been called the 'wheel of birth
> and death'. note that
> it is a 'wheel', not a spiral, as is the true
> evolution in god.
>
> > absolutely everything in the fallen universe is
> false, an illusion, but
> a poor reflection of the divine universe.
>
>
> to say evolution can function without learning or
> experience is an
> oxymoron. if we were here to find "god" and nothing
> more, i would find
> "god" to be a saddistic being with no concern about
> the welfare of
> "its" people. the dogma which you preach is nothing
> more than a rehash of
> negative christian distortions meant to produce
> obediance without the
> burdens of feeling or thought.
>
> what really irks me about this list though is the
> number of posts that
> essentally boil down to "this is what i believe and
> it is the absolute
> truth for everyone" and "i don't need any proof or
> research because i said
> so". i have found even truth itself can be a
> hinderance to growth. if
> someone believes that earth is a marble in some
> galactic marble game and
> it helps them to evolve and grow back towards
> oneness, then so be it. to
> force a truth that does not work for someone else on
> them is to be a
> stumbling stone in their journey.
>
> one last thing, to say that everything in the
> "fallen universe is an
> illusion" is to say that polarity is not an
> illusion. the term
> "fallen" itself is probably responsible for more
> distortion of truth than
> anything else. the second you say that something is
> fallen is to say that
> they are no longer part of what they fell from.
> there was never a schism
> between us and "god". that is the only illusion.
>
>
> steve devries
> http://www.twerked.com/lunardesign
> http://www.twerked.com/immaculatedreams
>
>
>


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rodj
09-10-2001, 12:38 PM
a rod johnson dialogue with this discussion,

> there is no true evolution or learning in the fallen universe, only
>development of the illusion in the collective luciferic (i.e., undivine)
>mind. this has also been called the 'wheel of birth and death'. note that
>it is a 'wheel', not a spiral, as is the true evolution in god.

> absolutely everything in the fallen universe is false, an illusion, but
>a poor reflection of the divine universe.

i like to think of all peculiar travel suggestions (valid experience) as
being dancing lessions from god. we should accept them evcen if we might get
our feet stepped on or our shins kicked.

and life is a dance we all do separatelyu together.

one might say that an unexspected suggestion to withdraw would be a perfect
time to sit down with god and watch the dance.

>to say evolution can function without learning or experience is an
>oxymoron. if we were here to find "god" and nothing more, i would find
>"god" to be a saddistic being with no concern about the welfare of
>"its" people. the dogma which you preach is nothing more than a rehash of
>negative christian distortions meant to produce obediance without the
>burdens of feeling or thought.

to this i say yes! yes! yes!

rod





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