Ra: There is "no end to any of us" - confirmation of vedic logic

[cosmiccell]

Hi Shemayet~*,




you replied:




>>RA: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite.


This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that


there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would


call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.




>...IMO, they were trying to reassure them that there was no "end" to


any of us. That death did not exist.




Question: If there was "no end to ourselves", if we were not going to
"die" some day, this means: we are not going to merge with "Oneness".
This would mean that we were created as _separate_ units, copies of
God, who, in turn, has an aspect of "separatedness" or individuality.




By this very statement, Ra expands his Monism (tLoO) into Dualism and
thus confirming the vedic view of acintya bheda-abheda-tattva - the
unfathomable (acintya) simultaneous separatedness (bheda) and Oneness
(abheda) of God from his creation.




Cosmiccell

[Jeremy Weiland]

> Question: If there was "no end to ourselves", if we
> were not going to "die" some day, this means: we are

> not going to merge with "Oneness".

Right. Because we already *are* that oneness.

> This would mean that we were created as _separate_
> units, copies of God, who, in turn, has an aspect
> of "separatedness" or individuality.

In as far as we were created, and in as far as we now
inhabit one portion of the total consciousness we have
available to us.

However, there is an aspect of us that is not created,
not transient, not separate. This is the eternal
oneness that represents our true identity. The
creation of duality exists as a lesser reality upon
the basis of the unified, monistic duality.

> By this very statement, Ra expands his Monism (tLoO)
> into Dualism and thus confirming the vedic view of
> acintya bheda-abheda-tattva - the unfathomable
> (acintya) simultaneous separatedness (bheda) and
> Oneness (abheda) of God from his creation.

Sure, whatever. :-)

Love and light,

Jeremy

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[Lesley Schultz]

Dear Cosmiccell, L/L & Peace to All:

--- cosmiccell <minema@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=h3dZPfyiuzinSK7VuOf7imHPxyfFWuE3kv90rJ 3Wz0Kn6UOm9E1tmPiv3CHi4mzN1c9DMWE)> wrote:
>snip>> > Question: If there was "no end to
ourselves", if we were not going to "die" some day,
this means: we are not going to merge with "Oneness".
> This would mean that we were created as _separate_
> units, copies of God, who, in turn, has an aspect of
"separatedness" or individuality.
>
> By this very statement, Ra expands his Monism (tLoO)
> into Dualism and thus confirming the vedic view of
acintya bheda-abheda-tattva - the unfathomable
(acintya) simultaneous separatedness (bheda) and
Oneness abheda) of God from his creation.
>
LS: Have you been married, Cosmiccell, or been in a
very close relationship with someone? Or have you
observed one closely? When two people become closely
involved with each other, esp. if there is a sexual
element, and there is a dedication not only to each
other but to the relationship, many things change
psychologically, behaviorally, emotionally. You can
see this very readily. The two people begin to share
a kind of consciousness together. In many ways, the
two people, although physically separate, become fused
together spiritually and emotionally. Take one
partner away, and there is very severe dimnishment
experienced by the other partner, and this is noticed
even from people outside the relationship. Ever
observe the suffering of one spouse who loses their
husband/wife after having been married many years?
The identity of the person who has been left behind
had been partly transferred to the spouse who has
moved on to another dimension, along with much
emotional and spiritual investment. He or she feels
like half of him or her is gone. Even the loss of a
parent to whom one had been close can destabilize
severely.

I think that what Ra was saying there is something
like this, that in a Social Memory Complex the
individual parties that once experienced separateness
have merged together to such a point that all things
are shared. Shared, not transferred. However, as
evolution carries onwards, not only the experiences
are shared but the thoughts, attitudes and emotions
are also shared- not just after the fact or before the
fact, but instanteneously. The authenticness of the
individual experience is not compromised, as there is
still a certain separateness due to direct sensory
apparatus separteness and the conformation of
individual mind/personality matrices. However, the
experiences, thoughts, etc. are shared.

As the evolutionary process continues, the propinquity
of the separate parties approach each other to such a
degree that the consciousness expands from each party
sharing to each party experiencing, so that it becomes
simultaneous instead of instantaneous. I realize this
is a very fine distinction, but there it is.

You might also recall that all things are alive, and
the further along the evolutionary path you go the
more ability you have to experience the beingness of
what we now consider inanimate. There is a difference
between beingness and consciousness, as we know, and
3rd density is the watershed mark for the end of
beingness and the beginning of consciousness. But
there are other watershed marks along to way to
re-integration with the One Infinite Creator. There
are levels of being that are indescribable in 3D
terms, but you can start by considering what
simultaneous sharing of experiences by yourself and a
greatly loved and cherised life partner might be like.


I think you were trying to say that separateness is an
integral part of the love experience between the
Creator and the Created, and you can't have the one
without the other. Those of Ra, speaking from the 6th
density experience, see the integration as a part of
the same love experience, and the separation as a
necessary but past element of the same love experience
from Creator to Created. Yet, consider the amazing
varieties of love that there are, all of which are
created by degrees of separateness, desire, the
conformation of mind/body/spirit complexes with their
biases, etc. etc. The varieties of love that there
are do not necessarily diminish the higher up you go--
if anything, they may grow more subtle.

I suppose, if I was trying to summarize my thinking
here, I would say that each of us is a part of the One
Infinite Creator, for the One is the summation of all
that there is: animal, vegetable, mineral, particle.
There is nothing but the One, there is nothing without
the One. There are only degrees of love/light between
any part of the One, and these are not measures of
diminishment as much as milestones along the journey
towards reintegration.

Sorry this is so long,
~lesley


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