Shifts: Internalizing verses Externalizing (Sal)

[mawk]

Dear Sal,

What a delight that your first post to the group was inspired by one of my
posts:-) A year or two back, when "Seth" was posting to the group regularly,
this area was often discussed, though not from the
internalizing/externalizing perspective. My parents own a service station
which I manage and I have worked for one of the larger American merchant
banks so my experience is first hand as to the complete lack of ethics and
compassion that drive these corporations. Specifically, what really concerns
me is how these institutions are take away the potential for self
determination away from so many or at the very least severely stifling them.

I am in absolute agreement with all that you say Sal. My parents have a
house that is not connected to the grid and they use solar energy and have
access to a river for water as well as collecting rain water. It is my
intention in the near future to build a stone cottage that will also use
alternate power sources in a remote mountain location that belongs to my
family. It is a very peaceful location that will provide me with a
distraction free environment for following the process that you allude too,
strengthening my connection to source. From David's reading, I also feel
that this might be the place where I can write about some of my experiences,
as Ra indicates that this would be one of the greatest services I could do I
have taken this notion very seriously..

I look forward with great anticipation to seeing more of your posts Sal.
Thank you for sharing your vision and wisdom.

Yours Sincerely,

Mawk

[srachele2003]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=pMSoYpsIzkpLofkWQLZtV8MaSa9o1FLR-aYL3H1Uv1f0QHjgGJcxfFprjfcHXqgj_xmaMO0CjQxUQ8bvSzk ), "mawk" <mawk109@o...> wrote:
>Dear Sal,
> What a delight that your first post to the group was inspired by one
of my posts:-)
> Mawk

Dear Mawk:

Thanks for the welcome. I look forward to hearing more about your
adventures in getting off the grid. Are there any more of you out
there with similar adventures using solar, wind or hydro? Anyone
successfully using zero-point generators to power their houses or
vehicles? (You won't want to answer that one unless you are sure of
your protection from the forces of suppression.)

--Sal

[Beverly Thompson]

Dear Mawk and asc2k friends:

I am posting a link to a lecture titled, "Power, Propaganda and Conscience in
The War On Terror," given by an Australian journalist by the name of John Pilger
where he gives his take on your concerns where you said, "Specifically, what
really concerns me is how these institutions are take away the potential for
self
determination away from so many or at the very least severely stifling them."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/pilger3.html
For those members of our small, privileged and powerful elite, I recommend the
words of Flaubert. "I have always tried to live in an ivory tower," he said,
"but a tide of **** is beating its walls, threatening to undermine it." For the
rest of us, I offer these words of Mahatma Gandhi: "First, they ignore," he
said. "Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win."

January 23, 2004

John Pilger was born and educated in Sydney, Australia. He has been a war
correspondent, film-maker and playwright. Based in London, he has written from
many countries and has twice won British journalism's highest award, that of
"Journalist of the Year," for his work in Vietnam and Cambodia

Healing Love,

Bev




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[Luis Albanés]

Sal Wrote:

Are there any more of you out
there with similar adventures using solar, wind or hydro? Anyone
successfully using zero-point generators to power their houses or
vehicles?

Dear friends:

Here is another energy fan, what do you have to share about zero point energy?

Luis




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[shemayet_3]

Greetings group :) L~L~&~P to you all.

Just for everyones information I wanted to post a bit of research on
the site that posted this article by Pilger.

For anyone who was able to read this very long winded report, this
guy points out his judgement of American's and our "Corrupt
Americanism and Corporate Greed"

Pilger: >>>

1. In other words, there is no difference, in the principle of the
law, between the action of the German regime in the late 1930s and
the Americans in 2003. Fuelled by religious fanaticism, a corrupt
Americanism and corporate greed, the Bush cabal is pursuing what the
military historian Anatol Lieven calls "the classic modern strategy
of an endangered right-wing oligarchy, which is to divert discontent
into nationalism." Bush's America, he warns, "has become a menace
to itself and to mankind."

Those are rare words. I know of no Australian historian or any other
so-called expert to have uttered such a truth. I know of no
Australian media organisation that would allow its journalists to
speak or write such a truth. My friends in Australian journalism
whisper it, always in private. They even encourage outsiders, like
myself, to say it publicly, as I am doing now.

Me: >>> Do people on this site actually believe that we Americans are
a menace to ourselves and mankind??? <<<

However Pilger goes on to state in his piece:

2. Let's look now at the academic silence. One of the greatest
acts of genocide in the second half of the twentieth century
apparently did not warrant a single substantial academic case study,
based on primary sources. Why? We have to go back to the years
immediately after world war two when the study of post-war
international politics, known as "liberal realism," was invented in
the United States, largely with the sponsorship of those who designed
American global economic power. They include the Ford, Carnegie and
Rockeller Foundations, the OSS, the forerunner of the CIA, and the
Council on Foreign Relations...

3. ..."Liberal realism" ? in America, Britain, Australia ?
meant taking the humanity out of the study of nations and viewing the
world in terms of its usefulness to western power. This was presented
in a self-serving jargon: a Masonic-like language in thrall to the
dominant power. Typical of the jargon were labels...

4. ...Noble words like democracy, freedom, independence, reform
were emptied of their meaning and taken into the service of the World
Bank, the IMF and that amorphous thing called "The West" ? in
other words, imperialism.

Me: >>> Rare words "indeed". These, my friends are "words" from
someone who is "desperately" paranoid! It's funny that he would
quote Anatol Lieven. A senior associate with the CEIP.

( alieven@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=IXh90u2Mh9tDysDdKoLVPWAQQb5lxVlVT9Yrwa neFCGvWCz8JD9QUpsYyoumvEqL4LPMy9mIkqYN-A) )

A brief history of the CEIP:

At the beginning of the century, Andrew renewed his long-standing
interest in world peace. "I am drawn more to this cause than to any,"
he wrote in 1907. Like other leading internationalists of his day,
Carnegie believed that war could be eliminated by stronger
international laws and organizations. [Globilization?] Between 1900
and 1914, he gave generously in support of this belief, including
$1.5 million in 1903 for the construction of the Peace Palace at The
Hague. Carnegie's single largest commitment in this field was his
creation of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Me: >>> Sounds as though the CEIP is run by "Carnegie's", One of
Pilger's "families" who contributed to "globalization" [in his words]
Yet he would use one of the CEIP's own senior associates to quote.
That is beyond laughable.

This article is linked with The Mises institute (who by the way has a
little reminder at the bottom of each page to please donate. Donate
that is to... www.lewrockwell.com (Llewellen Rockwell)

...who happens to be the founder and president of the Mises Institute.

History:

In December 1981, Ludwig von Mises's widow Margit gave her approval
to found the Mises Institute. It was formally established in October
1982 and located in Auburn, Alabama, with founder Llewellyn H.
Rockwell, Jr. serving as president. With the support of Margit von
Mises, who chaired the board until her death in 1993, and such giants
as F.A. Hayek, Lawrence Fertig, Henry Hazlitt, and Murray N.
Rothbard, who headed its academic programs until his death in 1995,
the Mises Institute has grown into the leading scholarly center for
research and teaching in the Austrian School of economics, as well as
an important research center for classical liberalism and
libertarianism.

The Institute's coat of arms [it's funny they claim a "coat of arms"]
is that of the Mises family, awarded in 1881 when Ludwig von Mises's
great-grandfather Mayer Rachmiel Mises was ennobled by the Emperor
Franz Josef I of Austria.

Me: >>> Why would merchants and bankers need donations to
fund "their" institutions, founded in "their" names???? <<<

[About their crest of "arms"]

In the lower left-hand quadrant is a representation of the Ten
Commandments. Mayer Rachmiel, as well as his father, presided over
various Jewish cultural organizations in Lemberg, the city where
Ludwig was born. In the upper right-hand quadrant is the
staff of Mercury, God of commerce and communication (the Mises family
was successful in both; they were merchants and bankers).

Me: >>> I find it "very" strange that this institute would
put the Ten Commandments of Moses' God, who states in said
commandments that you shall worship no idols before me, on the same
crest that also sports the Staff of Mercury, of the "God" of Commerce
[Money] and Communication [the Media]??? Who or what do they actually
worship. (Got me)

My only mission is to point out contradictions. I will leave it up to
you the reader, to decide for yourself, whether or not this
man's "rhetoric", or The Mises Institute, is worth your time. Can you
really trust this guy?? <<<

And just in case any of you missed a letter posted by the lawyers
of the The Mises Institutes website, the parent site of
lewrockwell.com. In states in Part 3: Privacy Policy, section b, the
section about their fund-raising policies.

Please click here for details...

www.lewrockwell.com/lawyer.html

DW: >>> "we can't make exceptions to the rule about posting outside
links to websites or institutions that are asking for money. We have
practically 600 members now, and the temptation for effortless, cost-
free "target niche marketing" is far, far too great. If we make even
one public exception, then everyone will feel they have a right to
spam our list members." <<<

Me: >>> I second this motion!! <<<

Shemayet~*

[mawk]

Dear Shemayet,

I agree with you the John Pilger can go to far on occasion to express a
point. In a sense it reminds me of the early days of women's libration where
the media focused on the sensational, such as burning bras. The point
though, is that women were and still are discriminated against but the only
way to get media attention was to take an extreme attention seeking
position. Pilger plays a similar role to bring attention to the plight of
those who are being disadvantaged by globalisation.

In my own circumstances I have to deal with a large well known American oil
company. Up until 4 years ago an Australian family had the rights to
distribute their product in my area. They were good people and you could
take them at their word. Now the distribution has been taken over by the
parent company, at least 3 sites that I know of have been closed down due to
their discriminative pricing. In my own case they have sold me product at up
to six cents a litre higher than the price they retail to the public at
their own sites. It astounds me that the government in this country allows
this behaviour. I have approached the ACCC (the regulatory authority that
monitors business practice) and they are not interested in addressing the
blatant abuse of power by these companies. In fact the government just
removed the last head of the ACCC because he took on the oil companies.

My situation though is shaded in comparison to the 200,000 (a third of the
population) East Timorese who lost their lives during the occupation of
their country by Indonesia. Interesting that once again oil and gas seemed
to be a significant factor in motivating the action. The dividing up of
mineral and timber rights in Indonesia to the multinationals while the UN
ignored the human rights issues is another case in point. Mr Henry K's role
in this and his subsequent pay off is also worthy of a historical review.
These sorts of issues along with the sweat shops in Indonesia belonging to
companies such as GAP, Reebok and Nike, to name a few would not have seen
the light of day without people like Pilger.

As far as Ford, Carnegie and Rockeller Foundations are concerned you might
find a speech by Edward Griffin interesting. The link I used to have no
longer works but fortunately I saved it. It goes for about 30 pages but I
have only included the first two. If you or others would like the rest I can
email them or if there is enough interest and I get David's blessing I will
post the rest here later.

Cheers,

Mawk

The Grand Deception - Part One
A Second Look at the War on Terrorism
ÃÂà ƒÂ‚Ã‚Â‚ÃƒÂƒÃ‚ÂƒÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â‚Ãƒ ƒÂ‚© 2002 by G. Edward Griffin
Ladies and Gentlemen, the title of my presentation today is The Grand
Deception - A Second Look at the War on Terrorism.
I was flattered to hear in my introduction that I have a reputation for
taking complex subjects and making them easy to understand. I hope I can
live up to that expectation, but I couldn't help wondering if I can really
do that with this topic: The War on Terrorism. How can you make that easy to
understand? It's such a huge and confusing topic. I feel like the proverbial
mosquito in a nudist camp. I know what I have to do. I just don't know where
to begin.
There is a formula I often follow when I don't know where to begin, and that
is to start with history. If you discover the history, you should be able to
figure it out as you go along. It was Will Durant who said, "Those who know
nothing about history are doomed forever to repeat it."
Are we doomed to repeat the mistakes of history in the war on terrorism? If
we continue to follow the path we are now taking, I'm afraid that we are.
But to find out whether we are repeating the mistakes of history, we need to
go back in time. So, I invite you to join me in my time machine. We are
going to splash around in history for a while and look at some great events
and huge mistakes to see if there are parallels, any lessons to be learned
for today. I must warn you that it will seem we are lost in time. We are
going to go here and there, and then jump back further, and then forward in
time, and we will be examining issues that may make you wonder "What on
earth has this to do with today." But I can assure you, when we reach the
end of our journey, you will see that everything we cover has a direct
relevance to today and, in particular, to the war on terrorism.

THE HIDDEN AGENDA OF TAX-EXEMPT FOUNDATIONS
Lets start our time machine. We turn the dial to the year 1954 and,
suddenly, we find ourselves in the plush offices of the Ford Foundation in
New York. We see two men seated at a large, Mahogany desk, and they are
talking. They cannot see or hear us. These men are Roland Gaither, who was
the President of the Ford Foundation at that time, and Mr. Norman Dodd. Mr.
Dodd was the newly appointed chief investigator of what was called the
Congressional Committee to Investigate Tax Exempt Foundations. The Ford
Foundation was one of them, so he was there as part of his Congressional
responsibilities.
It was about 1972 that I happened to meet Mr. Dodd in Virginia. I had a
television crew with me, because we were producing a documentary film and
had some open time. I called Mr. Dodd and asked if he would be willing to
make a statement before our cameras, and he said, "Of course." I'm glad we
obtained the interview, because he was advanced in years, and it wasn't long
afterward that he passed away. We were very fortunate to capture his story
in his own words. (For those who are interested in viewing his complete
testimony on video, it is available from The Reality Zone,
www.realityzone,com. It's called "The Hidden Agenda" and is available in
both video and audio formats. The printed transcript can be downloaded free
of charge at www.realityzone.com/hiddenagenda2.html.)
So, back to our time machine. The year is 1954, and we hear Mr. Gaither say
to Mr. Dodd, "Would you be interested in knowing what we do here at the Ford
Foundation?" And, of course, Mr. Dodd says, "Yes! That's exactly why I'm
here. I would be very interested, sir." Then, without any prodding at all,
Gaither says, "Mr. Dodd, we operate in response to directives, the substance
of which is that we shall use our grant making power to alter life in the
United States so that it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union."
Dodd almost falls off of his chair when he hears that. Then he says to
Gaither, "Well, sir, you can do anything you please with your grant making
powers, but don't you think you have an obligation to make a disclosure to
the American people? You enjoy tax exemption, which is an indirect way of
saying you are subsidized by the taxpayer, so, why don't you tell the
Congress and the American people what you just told me?" And Gaither
replies, "We would never dream of doing such a thing."
A STRATEGY TO CONTROL THE TEACHING OF HISTORY
There is much more to be learned from this conversation, but our time
is limited, so let's move on. The question that logically arises is, "How
would it be possible for people in these prestigious organizations to even
dream that they could alter life in the United States so it could be
comfortably merged with the Soviet Union?" What an absurd thought that would
be! The answer, however, is not absurd at all. To bring this about, all that
needs to be done is to alter the attitude of the American people to accept
such a move. How could that be done?
The answer to this second question was provided by another powerful and
prestigious tax-exempt foundation, the Carnegie Endowment Fund for
International Peace. When Dodd visited the President of that organization
and began asking about their activities, the President said, "Mr. Dodd, you
have a lot of questions. It would be very tedious and time consuming for us
to answer those questions, so I have a counter proposal. Why don't you send
a member of your staff to our facilities, and we will open our minute books
from the very first meeting of the Carnegie Fund, and your staff can go
through them and copy whatever you find there. Then you will know everything
we are doing."
Again, Mr. Dodd was totally amazed. He observed that the President was a
young man at the Carnegie Fund and assumed he had never actually read the
minutes himself. So he accepted without hesitation and sent a member of his
staff to the Carnegie Endowment facilities. Her name was Mrs. Catherine
Casey who was, by the way, hostile to the activity of the Congressional
Committee. She was placed on the staff by political opponents of the
Committee to be a watchdog and a damper on the operation. Her attitude was:
"What could possibly be wrong with tax-exempt foundations? They do so much
good." So that was the view of Mrs. Casey when she went to the boardroom of
the Carnegie Foundation for International Peace. She took her Dictaphone
machine (they used magnetic belts in those days) and recorded, word for
word, many of the key passages from the minutes of this organization
starting with the very first meeting. What she found in those minutes was so
shocking, Mr. Dodd said she almost lost her mind, and she became very
ineffective in her work after that.
Basically, this is what those minutes revealed: From the very beginning, the
members of the board discussed how to alter life in the United States, how
to change the attitudes of Americans to give up their cherished principles
and concepts of government and be more receptive to what we will call the
collectivist model of society. I will talk more about what the word
collectivist means in a moment, but they used that word quite often. And
they discussed this in a very scholarly fashion. After many months of
deliberation, they came to the conclusion that, out all of the options
available for altering the attitudes of people in the United States, there
was only one that was really dependable. That option was war. In times of
war, they reasoned, only then would people be willing to give up things they
cherish in return for the desperate need and desire for security against a
deadly enemy. And so the Carnegie Endowment Fund for International Peace
declared in its minutes that it must do whatever it can to manipulate the
United States into war.
They also said there were other things needed, and these were their words:
"We must control education in the United States." They realized that was a
pretty big order, so they teamed up with the Rockefeller Foundation and the
Guggenheim Foundation to pool their financial resources to control education
in America - in particular, to control the teaching of history. They
assigned those areas of responsibility that involved issues relating to
domestic affairs to the Rockefeller Foundation, and those issues related to
international affairs were taken on as the responsibility of the Carnegie
Endowment. Their first goal was to rewrite the history books, and they
discussed how to do that at great length. They approached some of the more
prominent historians of the time and presented to them the proposition that
they rewrite history to favor the concept of collectivism, but they were
turned down flat. Then they decided - and these are their own words, "We
must create our own stable of historians."
They selected twenty candidates at the university level who were seeking
doctorates in American History. Then they went to the Guggenheim Foundation
and said, "If we provide the money, would you grant fellowships to
candidates selected by us, who are of the right frame of mind, those who see
the value of collectivism as we do? Would you grant them doctorates so we
can then propel them into positions of prominence and leadership in the
academic world and in professional historical associations?" And the answer
was "Yes."

[shemayet_3]

Good day, brothers and sisters, L~&~L :)

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=6zmDrz-tdK5wR7-QJLc_KEOXBk5oJe6m14fYtMcbnkBXv8LPn9yV-AAma7lFJCW23VRn07V8rb_6uKE), "mawk" <mawk109@o...> wrote:
Dear Shemayet,

I agree with you the John Pilger can go to far on occasion to express
a point.


Me: >>> I am in complete agreement, that governments, organizations,
institutes, schools, etc. etc. are being controlled by families from
countries all over the world. Slowly brain washing us. However this
man makes a calculated attack on regular Americans. We are all
victims of these families and their greed. We are ALL slaves now. But
we need to stick together, not alienate each other. I guess that I
believe he should be more careful with his jargon. We are no
different than he. Most Americans are very intelligent people, but
the ignorant outnumber the informed. He should concentrate more on an
effort to effect change through unity, then trying to effect change
through blame. I understand his frustration and more importantly
yours, because I can see it all for what it really is as well.

The phrases, let's move to Canada, I don't want to be a citizen of
the United States of America anymore, has passed my lips numerous
times in the past year. I am constantly in a struggle with myself, in
terms of the Iraqi war. On one hand I am so relieved that the one
WofMD they did seek and find, Suddam Hussein, will never carry out
his death wish's ever again. Yet at the same time I know why they are
really there. The oil.

It is (excuse my language) damn frustrating for an average American
such as myself to take a side (anti-war or/for-war). I relate with
each persons pain, from every side. I can't help it. I cannot choose
to love one, and forsake the other. I guess I just want people to
know, that I believe most Americans are not only thinking of our own,
but "everyone" involved.

The base truths behind all of these wars, is that they generate
income for these elite families, that seem to survive war after war
after bloody war. Claiming that they are there in the name of
Freedom, and Humanity, when all they are "really" doing is using it
as an excuse to go in and take over all hard assets. It is a crime,
and the good, real, hard working, people of America, need to stand up
and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH". They won't though. They are too afraid of
change. We have "absolutely" lost control of our country and
the "Constitutional Human Rights" it was founded on. They pray on our
humanity, AND THAT my friend is where Pilger in essense is correct.

They support the war because they want the violence to stop. So yes
nationalism was the reason they were able to do it. If all Americans
had opposed the war then yes, it wouldn't have happened. However if
they opposed it, then they were condoning the death and terror that
S.H. was reeking on the citizens of Iraq. Could you with a clear
conscience walk away from his atrocities?? That was the nationalism,
at least from my perspective, that gave the U.S. the go ahead to go
to war with Iraq. Americans wanted to liberate Iraq. (however
misguided this notion may have been) They were not condoning the
Haliburton scandal, and what that really meant. All of that was done
under complete "secrecy", and kept from us.

So, yes I know there are many Americans now, who know what's
happening, and that they condoned it. But let's not punish them. They
did NOT do it out of malice, but out of the humanity in their hearts.
I just felt, like I said, judged.

I am on the side of Uniting, not dividing.

I also want to thank you for posting Pilger's book, mostly because it
IS what's really going on, but it is not caused by Americans. The
Bush family, yes, they are questionable. However not as questionable
as our Pentagon, (which operates under extreme secrecy) or our CIA.
Heck they are the ones we really need to worry about. Remember, who
ever controls the army, really controls the state... Then, you have
the families who manufacture the war machine. Think about it. What
would they do if there was no war to profit from???

I am still uneducated as to the scope of this "very" real problem, so
I may be a bit misguided. I am going with my gut on this one!!!

At this point, I feel I don't know who I can trust anymore.

Sincerely

Shemayet~*

[Jeremy Weiland]

Please refrain from posting extended passages of
outside text.

Thanks,

Jeremy

--- shemayet_3 <Shemayet@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=IHAGtRfNnAWmNUX_Btw0C-gZYDYrg7dIXDdRz6v90bo5lSo4aoGUeYiU4CTu1HQ6SfJtOFok 43ml)> wrote:
>
>
> Greetings group :) L~L~&~P to you all.
>
> Just for everyones information I wanted to post a
> bit of research on
> the site that posted this article by Pilger.
>
> For anyone who was able to read this very long
> winded report, this
> guy points out his judgement of American's and our
> "Corrupt
> Americanism and Corporate Greed"
>
> Pilger: >>>
>
> 1. In other words, there is no difference, in the
> principle of the
> law, between the action of the German regime in the
> late 1930s and
> the Americans in 2003. Fuelled by religious
> fanaticism, a corrupt
> Americanism and corporate greed, the Bush cabal is
> pursuing what the
> military historian Anatol Lieven calls "the classic
> modern strategy
> of an endangered right-wing oligarchy, which is to
> divert discontent
> into nationalism." Bush's America, he warns, "has
> become a menace
> to itself and to mankind."
>
> Those are rare words. I know of no Australian
> historian or any other
> so-called expert to have uttered such a truth. I
> know of no
> Australian media organisation that would allow its
> journalists to
> speak or write such a truth. My friends in
> Australian journalism
> whisper it, always in private. They even encourage
> outsiders, like
> myself, to say it publicly, as I am doing now.
>
> Me: >>> Do people on this site actually believe that
> we Americans are
> a menace to ourselves and mankind??? <<<
>
> However Pilger goes on to state in his piece:
>
> 2. Let's look now at the academic silence. One of
> the greatest
> acts of genocide in the second half of the twentieth
> century
> apparently did not warrant a single substantial
> academic case study,
> based on primary sources. Why? We have to go back to
> the years
> immediately after world war two when the study of
> post-war
> international politics, known as "liberal realism,"
> was invented in
> the United States, largely with the sponsorship of
> those who designed
> American global economic power. They include the
> Ford, Carnegie and
> Rockeller Foundations, the OSS, the forerunner of
> the CIA, and the
> Council on Foreign Relations...
>
> 3. ..."Liberal realism" ? in America, Britain,
> Australia ?
> meant taking the humanity out of the study of
> nations and viewing the
> world in terms of its usefulness to western power.
> This was presented
> in a self-serving jargon: a Masonic-like language in
> thrall to the
> dominant power. Typical of the jargon were labels...
>
> 4. ...Noble words like democracy, freedom,
> independence, reform
> were emptied of their meaning and taken into the
> service of the World
> Bank, the IMF and that amorphous thing called "The
> West" ? in
> other words, imperialism.
>
> Me: >>> Rare words "indeed". These, my friends are
> "words" from
> someone who is "desperately" paranoid! It's funny
> that he would
> quote Anatol Lieven. A senior associate with the
> CEIP.
>
> ( alieven@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=3619BqMHEEuiSpnQu-uYjew7atvsqkv03pZLFm-Ooa4eY1KzFmudQCk66cLgieyjOH_0sXJwwqnovw) )
>
> A brief history of the CEIP:
>
> At the beginning of the century, Andrew renewed his
> long-standing
> interest in world peace. "I am drawn more to this
> cause than to any,"
> he wrote in 1907. Like other leading
> internationalists of his day,
> Carnegie believed that war could be eliminated by
> stronger
> international laws and organizations.
> [Globilization?] Between 1900
> and 1914, he gave generously in support of this
> belief, including
> $1.5 million in 1903 for the construction of the
> Peace Palace at The
> Hague. Carnegie's single largest commitment in this
> field was his
> creation of the Carnegie Endowment for International
> Peace.
>
> Me: >>> Sounds as though the CEIP is run by
> "Carnegie's", One of
> Pilger's "families" who contributed to
> "globalization" [in his words]
> Yet he would use one of the CEIP's own senior
> associates to quote.
> That is beyond laughable.
>
> This article is linked with The Mises institute (who
> by the way has a
> little reminder at the bottom of each page to please
> donate. Donate
> that is to... www.lewrockwell.com (Llewellen
> Rockwell)
>
> ...who happens to be the founder and president of
> the Mises Institute.
>
> History:
>
> In December 1981, Ludwig von Mises's widow Margit
> gave her approval
> to found the Mises Institute. It was formally
> established in October
> 1982 and located in Auburn, Alabama, with founder
> Llewellyn H.
> Rockwell, Jr. serving as president. With the support
> of Margit von
> Mises, who chaired the board until her death in
> 1993, and such giants
> as F.A. Hayek, Lawrence Fertig, Henry Hazlitt, and
> Murray N.
> Rothbard, who headed its academic programs until his
> death in 1995,
> the Mises Institute has grown into the leading
> scholarly center for
> research and teaching in the Austrian School of
> economics, as well as
> an important research center for classical
> liberalism and
> libertarianism.
>
> The Institute's coat of arms [it's funny they claim
> a "coat of arms"]
> is that of the Mises family, awarded in 1881 when
> Ludwig von Mises's
> great-grandfather Mayer Rachmiel Mises was ennobled
> by the Emperor
> Franz Josef I of Austria.
>
> Me: >>> Why would merchants and bankers need
> donations to
> fund "their" institutions, founded in "their"
> names???? <<<
>
> [About their crest of "arms"]
>
> In the lower left-hand quadrant is a representation
> of the Ten
> Commandments. Mayer Rachmiel, as well as his father,
> presided over
> various Jewish cultural organizations in Lemberg,
> the city where
> Ludwig was born. In the upper right-hand quadrant is
> the
> staff of Mercury, God of commerce and communication
> (the Mises family
> was successful in both; they were merchants and
> bankers).
>
> Me: >>> I find it "very" strange that this institute
> would
> put the Ten Commandments of Moses' God, who states
> in said
> commandments that you shall worship no idols before
> me, on the same
> crest that also sports the Staff of Mercury, of the
> "God" of Commerce
> [Money] and Communication [the Media]??? Who or what
> do they actually
> worship. (Got me)
>
> My only mission is to point out contradictions. I
> will leave it up to
> you the reader, to decide for yourself, whether or
> not this
> man's "rhetoric", or The Mises Institute, is worth
> your time. Can you
> really trust this guy?? <<<
>
> And just in case any of you missed a letter posted
> by the lawyers
> of the The Mises Institutes website, the parent site
> of
> lewrockwell.com. In states in Part 3: Privacy
> Policy, section b, the
> section about their fund-raising policies.
>
> Please click here for details...
>
> www.lewrockwell.com/lawyer.html
>
> DW: >>> "we can't make exceptions to the rule about
> posting outside
> links to websites or institutions that are asking
> for money. We have
> practically 600 members now, and the temptation for
> effortless, cost-
> free "target niche marketing" is far, far too great.
> If we make even
> one public exception, then everyone will feel they
> have a right to
> spam our list members." <<<
>
> Me: >>> I second this motion!! <<<
>
> Shemayet~*
>
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