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grantcleveland
01-23-2004, 09:48 AM
As for babies, it's easy to forget that if a particular entity has
attained a higher vibration it would not have a need for 3D catalyst
(unless they are here to teach). The fact that they are here, in the
process of "growing up", and experiencing all the emotional baggage
that has to go with it, is as beautiful as the innocence they arrive
with.
If they come into a family with parents as compassionate as
yourselves, it is what they need in this incarnation. If you are
fortunate enough give birth and nurture another being it is probably
what you need the most.
I have two small babies and they have been the most pure and grand
source of wisdom that I have encountered in my life. I am a kinder
more loving person as the result.
"God" knows I needed that!

grantcleveland
01-26-2004, 04:34 AM
I was hoping to instigate further discussion on the innocence of
babies topic because it's something if often thought about.
This weekend I came across a passage that described my point with
much more eloquence! Sometimes I tend to be a litte "to the point."

"If you were to love a cloud, with this insight you would know that
the cloud is impermanent. If you love a human being you can also
know that he or she is impermanent. If you were to become attached
to a cloud" (baby) "you would have to be very careful. You know
that, according to the law of impermanence, very soon the cloud will
become something else. It might become rain.
You might say to the cloud 'Darling cloud, I know you are there and
I also know that one day you will die. I also must die. You will
become something else, someone else. I know you will continue your
journey, but I shall have to look deeply in order to recognize your
continuation so that I will not suffer so much.'
If you forget about impermanence and are attached to the cloud, when
the time comes for the cloud to be transformed into rain you will
cry. 'Oh dear, my cloud is no longer there. How can I survive
without her?'
But if you practice looking deeply, you can see the cloud in new
forms like the mist or the rain. The rain is smiling, singing,
falling down, full of life, full of beauty. Yet because of your
forgetfulness you are not capable of recognizing the presence of the
cloud in this new manifestation. You are caught in grief. You keep
crying and crying and meanwhile the rain is calling you, 'Darling,
darling, I am here, recognize me!' But you ignore the rain while all
the time the rain is the continuation of the cloud herself.
When you look at the cloud, you might like to be like a cloud
floating freely in the sky. How wonderful it would be to be a cloud
floating in the sky! You would have such a feeling of freedom. When
you look at the rain falling, singing and making music, you might
also long to be the rain. The rain is nourishing all the vegetation
and the lives of innumerable beings. How wonderful it is to be the
rain.
Do you think the rain and the cloud are the same or different? The
snow on top of a mountain is so white, so immaculate, so beautiful.
It is so enchanting that you might like to see yourself as being the
snow. Sometimes when you look at the water flowing in the creek, you
see the stream so crystal pure and beautiful that you may like to be
like the water, always flowing. Cloud, rain, snow and water. Are
they four different things? Or are they really the same reality
sharing the same ground of being?"

-Thich Nhat Hanh, no death, no fear, pg .61

In the last post I wrote:

>The fact that they (babies) are here, in the
> process of "growing up", and experiencing all the emotional
baggage
> that has to go with it, is as beautiful as the innocence they
>arrive
> with.
>