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David Wilcock

08-30-2001, 02:06 PM

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>from: glen main [mailto:frm@home.com]
<tt>understand what the other side is capable of. ra only hints at it.

[david wilcock]actually, dr. elkins was extremely concerned about the negative psychic greetings that were given to carla and from the second book on out, he generally asks at least one and often several questions about them in each section. in order to compile the study guide a great deal of weeding out of these types of questions was necessary. in my opinion this was his most major catalyst to work with, and there are hintsof ra's frustration with having to repeat so much information in this category. </tt><tt>
>
spend a little time here.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/
this is channeled info........but so is ra.

[david wilcock]this is where the question becomes one of discernment. i have conferred with severalphysical-human experts on this very set of material, including dr. mandelker, and we all agree that there are some very clearsigns of negative-entity tampering with the data.the very messages of doom that you hint at, such as "seriously, its nice to walk around on a cloud, but is a long hard fall if you don't know how to land," are precisely the messages that negative entities would seek to impart. now i am certainly not implying that you are negatively polarized, but rather that we must give credit where credit is due. i think that many people are treating the bad news in the media as if it were some stiff drinks, and they keep expecting reeling social drunkenness and disaster to follow. this "alcoholic" perspective actually does all tie back to perception, as i understand it. the postcard channelers keep expecting instant, overwhelming change and it still doesn't happen... just gradual, gradual, gradual grinding away of the old ways and the foundation of new principles. 
>
>the power ofthe media seems to be so all-pervasive in swaying public opinion that i do believe that it will just continue to be a further and further gradual intensification, without a sudden "bang" where in a matter of a week or two you havemajor interruptions of goods and services and then all the intensifications thatthe pessimistic imaginationscan concoct, including martial law et cetera. and yet, the typical signs of negative-compromised channelings are essentially something like, "batten down the hatches, mates, 'cuz the $h!+'s gonna hit the fan." 
>
>bottom line: the negative entities can only greet you in proportion to the degree to which you consciously engage in self-serving behavior at the expense of others. there is a tremendous, enormous amount of spiritual presence around the planet at this time, and as my most recent posted reading "prophecy fulfilled- do not be troubled!" indicated, there will always be guidance.

hey, love ya. ;)

[david wilcock]i would encourage you to remember that our perspective on the changes is that it always boils down to a choice of whether you will feel fear or not, and that they will never actually be as intense asthe imaginations and or previous prophecies of others have indicated. regardless of future events,if you have a computer and can read this message, you are living in an affluent country.there may need to be some reorganization, but ultimately the negative elites' plans will fall apart for this reason:whether troops from america or abroad, (such as if you are an american,) these people simply will not blindly follow ordersandfollow through with such nefariousideas. they believe thatthrough intimidation and control, the people will be there and will do what they want to do, but in reality the manpower simply won't be there.
>
>i can't encourage our participants enough to remember one simple fact: we're not here to read other channeled works. if we wanted to do that we would have joined other lists, so please respect that fact. we're not here to be lectured to or "saved" by anyone.if you disagree with our perspective thatradiating love and being of service to others is naive, then be aware that wehave also dealt with wisdom teachingson numerous occasions that go far beyond the typical fourth-chakra naivete.
>
>here's a pertinent excerpt from the "prophecy" reading, which everyone should review in lieu of this discussion as it is now very current:
>
>http://ascension2000.com/03.19.01.htm
>
>
the support structures will give out, but that isn’t the point. love yourself, be true to yourself, see god as your source, not a government, not a corporation, not a job, not an investment, but god as your source, and god will always provide for you, even in the cases where it seems pointless not to believe in catastrophe and fear. faith and trust is very much a statement of the ability to see beyond the illusion to the truth of what is then made possible.

in those times when you need it the most, your faith will come to the rescue, if you can be strong enough to decry fear and to exist in trust. the more that you can do this in your own area, the more that you will help other people do this, and the less that the changes will need to affect the planetary population; keep that fact firmly in mind.<xml:namespace prefix="o" ns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"></xml:namespace><o:p></o:p>
so, the collective mass consciousness of humanity determines how the changes will take place and how severe they must be before the key realizations throughout society are then made. we liken this to an evolving set of rules and circumstances that have grown out of hand and can indeed be recapitulated by a few simple steps in the mass grain of thought. by again placing the emphasis on love and service to others, many impossible-sounding paradoxes are effortlessly resolved, and the future comes into view. <o:p></o:p>
>-end of reading-
>
>that being said, let the discussions continue.
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david</tt>

glen main

08-30-2001, 02:42 PM

david wilcock wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"><tt>bottom
line: the negative entities can only greet you in proportion to the degree
to which you consciously engage in self-serving behavior at the expense
of others. there is a tremendous, enormous amount of spiritual presence
around the planet at this time, and as my most recent posted reading "prophecy
fulfilled- do not be troubled!" indicated, there will always be guidance.</tt><tt></tt>

<tt>my short
reply......../////////yes, and im sure that i don't have to remind you
that don commited sucide by underestimating the enemy.</tt>

<tt>ra was silenced
as far as the l&l research was concerned.</tt><tt></tt>

<tt>[respectful
snip]</tt>

<tt></tt></blockquote>

jonnabradley

08-30-2001, 03:02 PM

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>
>the power ofthe media seems to be so all-pervasive in swaying public opinion 
>
>
>i agree wholeheartedly that the media controls us in so many ways. we are drones when we watch tv. look at that commercial for a credit card that plays music in the background that's from the wizard of oz, "if i only had a brain". 
>
>mys.o. was running around the house for weeks whistling that stupid tune until i pointed it out to him and he tried to stop...! ;-p it just shows that they can implant stuff in our heads and we love it. sickens me.
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glen main

08-30-2001, 03:21 PM

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jonnabradley wrote:
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<blockquote style="border-left: #800000 2px solid; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px"><tt>the
power of the media seems to be so all-pervasive in swaying public opinion</tt><tt>i
agree wholeheartedly that the media controls us in so many ways.
we are drones when we watch tv. look at that commercial for a credit
card that plays music in the background that's from the wizard of oz, "if
i only had a brain".</tt><tt>my
s.o. was running around the house for weeks whistling that stupid tune
until i pointed it out to him and he tried to stop...! ;-p
it just shows that they can implant stuff in our heads and we love it.
sickens me.</tt><tt></tt>

<tt>///////////////a good example
of knowing the enemy.</tt>

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PWeiland@...

08-30-2001, 03:47 PM

board,
knowing your enemy is one tactic, but is avoiding the enemy a better
tactic? e.g. turn off the t.v. instead of observing how it controls
us.

regards,

paul

jonnabradley

08-30-2001, 04:00 PM

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>wisdom comes from application of knowledge. we see these things, recognize these things, let these things flow through and out of us, yet at the same time watch the effect of these things on others and learn from it.
>
>the song doesn't have to become a part of who we are as long as we know ourselves and don't let it get "in" us. we must always remain watchful. even jesus said so....
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~
>
>nothing real can be threatened.
nothing unreal exists.
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>board,
knowing your enemy is one tactic, but is avoiding the enemy a better
tactic? e.g. turn off the t.v. instead of observing how it controls
us.

regards,

paul
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glen main

08-30-2001, 04:00 PM

good point, paul

yes, it certainly is.
but of course you must know the enemy to avoid him.

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> board,
> knowing your enemy is one tactic, but is avoiding the enemy a better
> tactic? e.g. turn off the t.v. instead of observing how it controls
> us.
>
> regards,
>
> paul
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David Wilcock

08-30-2001, 04:02 PM

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>[david wilcock] ok, let's back up a few steps for a moment, before we move on to a discussion of how resisting the "programming" and cultural indoctrination through diet, media, consumerism et cetera is "knowing your enemy." (ra makes the point that there are no enemies; all entities eventually return to oneness and whether in or out of a body, you bless the psychic attacks as giving you the increased catalyst to accelerate your evolution.)
>
>from: glen main [mailto:frm@home.com]
<tt>my short reply......../////////yes, and im sure that i don't have to remind you that don commited sucide by underestimating the enemy.</tt>

>[david wilcock]i was intensively trained as a crisis intervention / suicide counselor for an entire year - and in my opinion yourresponse lacks compassion and understanding. others may choose to phrase that inmore crude terms and i am writing this to keep perspective before all the knee-jerk reactions will come in. respectfully, you are not don; you didn't know him or experience what he was going through that led him to commit such an action by his own free will. be aware of how much you would hurt carla or jim's feelings if they happened to be monitoring this list by making such a judgmental statement. remember agreement number 1 is "be impeccable with your word," and number 3 is "don't make assumptions." 
>
>the level of psychic attack on l/l in this case was very high due to the level of service that they were attempting to provide. the vast majority of people, including the participants on this list, are not so actively working to call upon such powerful attacks, and that is fine. the higher self,once contact is established, willonly encourage as much service as there is to maintain balance at the levelof development for theperson, based upon that person's overall training.the group channeling ra was repeatedly advised that they could choose to end their work and the attacks would largely cessate, but they chose to move forward, thus claiming clear and conscious responsibility for their actions. 
>
>of course, i have experienced such attacks myself, and i know that when you put the teachings of a true adept or initiate into action they work very well and the negative entities' best efforts bear no fruit. there are a relatively small number of people on the planet who would be as much of a target for psychic attack as i would, and yet when the connection to the higher self through regular dreamwork and meditation is established, the self-serving aspects of personality become quickly transparent and are easily balanced. this is the path of the adept, and very, very few in the modern western world can truly follow its course. i personally feel that if don had more firmly established this connection, he could have more easily healed himself and would not have been led to take an individual act of his own free will. 
>
>all the sts entities can do is to amplify your own free-will distortions towards sts. the calling of those on this planet is simply not negative enough to warrant the scenarios that you are proposing. as dr. mandelker likes to say, "the confederation watches over us like children playing in one room of a big mansion. to a point they will let us tousle and deceive each other, but they won't let us destroy the whole mansion. this would breach the free will of all those living in the other rooms." 
>
>the one key component that authors like icke fail to incorporate is that the positive ets are our protectors and will not allow more than a certain degree of chaos to ensue. should there be an advance of conflict that would lead to some form of worldwide damage or enslavement, they have the permission to intervene, since the races on this planet have already destroyed two others in this system alone. the free will of the individual is the paramount law of the universe, and therefore the higher forces will intervene as is appropriate to insure that you do not experience events in your life that are not the products of your own free-will creation. 
>
>you can choose to believe that the conditions prior to harvest will be utterly horrible, butthis stands in stark contrast to thedata of many other established teachers besides myself, including those in all ancient traditions, who havespoken of these times.respectfully, these teachers have established unimpeachable credibility and dedication to their spiritual cause, and it is not likely that one person, whom we know nothing about, can overturn that level of trust for the group. 
>
><tt>ra was silenced as far as the l&l research was concerned.</tt><tt></tt> <tt>[respectful snip]</tt>

[david wilcock]again, lookmore deeply. book five wasn't released publicly until 1998, and had a great wealth of new information written by carla and jim apart from the additional fragments of ra's teachings that had previously not been released to the public - including the disparaging information about don that you have readily used to try to gain leverage for your argument favoringthe "fear" perspective. ra did not simply leave them; their meditations and daily experiences are obviously inspiring their continued work, both in the writing of book five as well as their channeling. 
>
>carla has continually posted information from a group known asq'uo onthe website, and she told me in a personal conversation by phone that q'uo wasorganized by her higher self to faciliate a cooperative teaching effort involving ra and other confederation sources. sothe work of ra indeed continues forward through carla and jim's efforts, and many of the q'uo readings are quite valuable to a number of people who have contacted me via email and otherwise. furthermore, l/l have remained committed to their serviceso that the work can continue to be distributed. carla hasvery recently published "a wanderer's handbook," which is a beautifully crafted book both visually and inwords, which very much continues to spread ra's message.
>
>essentially, as long as carla and / or jim are alive, the work of ra through l/l research continues. 
>
>if you operationally define "knowing the enemy" as unplugging yourself from consensus reality, then we are in no disagreement there. recently on jeff rense, david icke was asked by a caller about what that caller could do with all of this information as an "ordinary person." and the first words out of icke's mouth, which were brilliant enough that i was alerted to listen to his broadcast in a dream, were, (loosely paraphrasing here:) "well, the very first thing you do is realize that you are not an "ordinary person" at all! you are a being that is composed of the living light of the universe and are connected with it on every level. once you truly understand that, all things are possible and you cannot look at the world, or your position within it, in the same way." 
>
>so even icke is encouraging people to come to an awareness of themselves as loving light beings... and spreading harmony and service to others is the most important realization when attaining that awareness, as i have explained in the first three chapters of convergence iii. ra's philosophies become self-evident as the path of the adept is continued, and you continue to get more and more out of it as you grow with it. dr. mandelker has repeatedly stated at our seminars and in private talks that this is the true sign of a truly valuable set of spiritual teachings. and frankly, there is very little material avaialble that fits into this category, and there is a very good reason for why the sacred scriptures of antiquity have withstood the test of time. 
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
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glen main

08-30-2001, 05:15 PM

david wilcock wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">[david
wilcock] ok, let's back up a few steps for a moment, before we move on
to a discussion of how resisting the "programming" and cultural indoctrination
through diet, media, consumerism et cetera is "knowing your enemy." (ra
makes the point that there are no enemies; all entities eventually return
to oneness and whether in or out of a body, you bless the psychic attacks
as giving you the increased catalyst to accelerate your evolution.)from:
glen main [mailto:frm@home.com (frm@home.com)]

<tt>my
short reply......../////////yes, and im sure that i don't have to remind
you that don commited sucide by underestimating the enemy.</tt>[david
wilcock] i was intensively trained as a crisis intervention / suicide
counselor for an entire year - and in my opinion your response lacks compassion
and understanding. others may choose to phrase that in more crude terms
and i am writing this to keep perspective before all the knee-jerk reactions
will come in. respectfully, you are not don; you didn't know him or experience
what he was going through that led him to commit such an action by his
own free will. be aware of how much you would hurt carla or jim's feelings
if they happened to be monitoring this list by making such a judgmental
statement. remember agreement number 1 is "be impeccable with your word,"
and number 3 is "don't make assumptions."



//////yes, you
are correct in that my statment does appear to lack compassion.

my point, when
taken in the proper context, was to refute the following statment, which
you gracefully sidestepped.



david wrote:
bottom line: the negative entities can only greet you in proportion to
the degree to which you consciously engage in self-serving behavior at
the expense of

 others.
there is a tremendous, enormous amount of spiritual presence around the
planet at this time, and as my most recent posted reading "prophecy fulfilled-

 do not
be troubled!" indicated, there will always be guidance.







the
level of psychic attack on l/l in this case was very high due to the level
of service that they were attempting to provide. the vast majority of people,
including the participants on this list, are not so actively working to
call upon such powerful attacks, and that is fine. the higher self, once
contact is established, will only encourage as much service as there is
to maintain balance at the level of development for the person, based upon
that person's overall training. the group channeling ra was repeatedly
advised that they could choose to end their work and the attacks would
largely cessate, but they chose to move forward, thus claiming clear and
conscious responsibility for their actions.





of
course, i have experienced such attacks myself, and i know that when you
put the teachings of a true adept or initiate into action they work very
well and the negative entities' best efforts bear no fruit.there
are a relatively small number of people on the planet who would be as much
of a target for psychic attack as i would, and yet when the connection
to the higher self through regular dreamwork and meditation is established,
the self-serving aspects of personality become quickly transparent and
are easily balanced. this is the path of the adept, and very, very few
in the modern western world can truly follow its course. i personally feel
that if don had more firmly established this connection, he could have
more easily healed himself and would not have been led to take an individual
act of his own free will.

//////////ah,
yes, the truely adept.

i mentioned
in a previous post that all of this chest beating and proclaming to be
sto was rather unlike sto behaviour.

but of course,
you are just calling it like it is. no brag, just fact.

usually them
that have it do not flaunt it.

ever notice
that about don and carla?

they did not
boast about how humble they were.



all
the sts entities can do is to amplify your own free-will distortions towards
sts. the calling of those on this planet is simply not negative enough
to warrant the scenarios that you are proposing. as dr. mandelker likes
to say, "the confederation watches over us like children playing in one
room of a big mansion. to a point they will let us tousle and deceive each
other, but they won't let us destroy the whole mansion. this would breach
the free will of all those living in the other rooms."

//////so why
worry, eh. someone else will save our ass.

pretty much
like believing in jesus, then.







the
one key component that authors like icke fail to incorporate is that the
positive ets are our protectors and will not allow more than a certain
degree of chaos to ensue. should there be an advance of conflict that would
lead to some form of worldwide damage or enslavement, they have the permission
to intervene, since the races on this planet have already destroyed two
others in this system alone. the free will of the individual is the paramount
law of the universe, and therefore the higher forces will intervene as
is appropriate to insure that you do not experience events in your life
that are not the products of your own free-will creation.you
can choose to believe that the conditions prior to harvest will be utterly
horrible, but this stands in stark contrast to the data of many other established
teachers besides myself, including those in all ancient traditions, who
have spoken of these times. respectfully, these teachers have established
unimpeachable credibility and dedication to their spiritual cause, and
it is not likely that one person, whom we know nothing about, can overturn
that level of trust for the group.<tt>ra
was silenced as far as the l&l research was concerned.</tt>
<tt>[respectful
snip]</tt>

[david
wilcock] again, look more deeply. book five wasn't released publicly until
1998, and had a great wealth of new information written by carla and jim
apart from the additional fragments of ra's teachings that had previously
not been released to the public - including the disparaging information
about don that you have readily used to try to gain leverage for your argument
favoring the "fear" perspective. ra did not simply leave them; their meditations
and daily experiences are obviously inspiring their continued work, both
in the writing of book five as well as their channeling.

/////book five
consists of bits and pieces carla and don decided were of no apparent interest
at the time the first four books

were published.

when did i mention
fear in the context that you refer to?

i said
"know thy enemy"

only knowledge
allows you to do that.

the "adept"
know that knowledge protects, do they not?

carla
has continually posted information from a group known as q'uo on the website,
and she told me in a personal conversation by phone that q'uo was organized
by her higher self to faciliate a cooperative teaching effort involving
ra and other confederation sources. so the work of ra indeed continues
forward through carla and jim's efforts, and many of the q'uo readings
are quite valuable to a number of people who have contacted me via email
and otherwise. furthermore, l/l have remained committed to their service
so that the work can continue to be distributed. carla has very recently
published "a wanderer's handbook," which is a beautifully crafted book
both visually and in words, which very much continues to spread ra's message.essentially,
as long as carla and / or jim are alive, the work of ra through l/l research
continues.

/////again, my
statement was: <tt>ra was silenced as far as the l&l research was concerned.</tt>

<tt>i am awaare
that ra was/is not an individual, but i was referring to the direct channeling
of ra</tt>

<tt>q'uo is
a far cry from ra.</tt>

<tt></tt>

<tt></tt>



if
you operationally define "knowing the enemy" as unplugging yourself from
consensus reality, then we are in no disagreement there. recently on jeff
rense, david icke was asked by a caller about what that caller could do
with all of this information as an "ordinary person." and the first words
out of icke's mouth, which were brilliant enough that i was alerted to
listen to his broadcast in a dream, were, (loosely paraphrasing here:)
"well, the very first thing you do is realize that you are not an "ordinary
person" at all! you are a being that is composed of the living light of
the universe and are connected with it on every level. once you truly understand
that, all things are possible and you cannot look at the world, or your
position within it, in the same way."so
even icke is encouraging people to come to an awareness of themselves as
loving light beings... and spreading harmony and service to others is the
most important realization when attaining that awareness, as i have explained
in the first three chapters of convergence iii. ra's philosophies become
self-evident as the path of the adept is continued, and you continue to
get more and more out of it as you grow with it. dr. mandelker has repeatedly
stated at our seminars and in private talks that this is the true sign
of a truly valuable set of spiritual teachings. and frankly, there is very
little material avaialble that fits into this category, and there is a
very good reason for why the sacred scriptures of antiquity have withstood
the test of time.peace
be with you --
david
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Jeremy Weiland

08-30-2001, 05:49 PM

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>>>my short reply........ yes, and im sure that i don't have to remind you
>>that don commited sucide by underestimating the enemy.
>
>i don't see this statement as, in and of itself, self-evident.
perhaps his situation was precipitated by the fact that he treated such
"psychic greetings" as attacks. by labelling others as "enemies" you are
not operating within the framework of unity.
>
>and david has a good point, in that you're merely speculating.
maybe don wasn't "fighting" the "enemy." maybe there was a qualitatively
different struggle going on that didn't reinforce duality and "us vs.
them" mentality that the negatives thrive upon. or maybe that mentality
>was what did him in. it's the difference between fear and love, as david
>puts it.
>
>
>>yes, you are correct in that my statment does appear to lack compassion.
>>my point, when taken in the proper context, was to refute the following
>>statment, which you gracefully sidestepped.
>>david wrote: bottom line: the negative entities can only greet you in
>>proportion to the degree to which you consciously engage in
>>self-serving behavior at the expense of others. there is a tremendous,
>>enormous amount of spiritual presence around the planet at this time,
>>and as my most recent posted reading "prophecy fulfilled-do not be
>>troubled!" indicated, there will always be guidance. 
>
>i don't see how your statement refutes david's statement. your
actions are your own responsibility. there is no "enemy"; there is only
your free will choices, and the choice to abdicate or assume
responsiblity is a deciding factor in whether you will perceive the world
to be filled with enemies or opportunities.
>
>>>ah, yes, the truely adept.
>>i mentioned in a previous post that all of this chest beating and
>>proclaming to be sto was rather unlike sto behaviour. 
>
>what???
>
>what's wrong with knowing your polarity? i'm sure all of us here
are sto whether we know it or not. should we hide it, especially among
our "teammates" ? :-) 
>
>i can understand skepticism about david's credentials if you are
not personally acquainted with him or his work, but i'm afraid you're
just attacking now.

>>but of course, you are just calling it like it is. no brag, just fact.
>
>he's giving his professional opinion. you're armchair
psychoanalyzing. there is a difference. :-)
>
>>>usually them that have it do not flaunt it. ever notice that about don
>>and carla? they did not boast about how humble they were. 
>
>neither did david... but should he withold past experiences that
may be helpful to our discussion simply because you don't think that's
becoming? if where david's coming from does not resonate with you, it's
cool - but making baseless ad hominem attacks on someone is not what this
discussion is about.

>>>>all the sts entities can do is to amplify your own free-will
>>>>distortions towards sts. the calling of those on this planet is...
>>so why worry, eh. someone else will save our ass. pretty much like
>>believing in jesus, then. 
>
>no, it's about understanding that you are responsible for your
progress, or lack thereof - not the confederation, not the negatives,
nobody but you can make the decisions that make or break your
development. going without and looking for the enemy will only further
distract you.

>>when did i mention fear in the context that you refer to?
>>i said "know thy enemy"
>>only knowledge allows you to do that.
>>the "adept" know that knowledge protects, do they not? 
>
>yes, and i don't think that knowledge comes chiefly from the outside
world. approcahing the world from a gi joe, us vs them mentality
and the knowledge that ensues from that mentality is quite different
from the self actualizing knowledge of the adept, imho.
>
>we're arguing past each other, i think. all i'm saying is that the focus
should be within, not without. i disagree with you when you appear to
say that we have to have detailed recon knowledge of the enemy's ways. i
believe that when you treat others as enemies, they become enemies. when
you treat them as parts of yourself to be integrated, its a whole other
ball game.
>
>>>again, my statement was: ra was silenced as far as the l&l research was
>>concerned. i am awaare that ra was/is not an individual, but i was
>>referring to the direct channeling of ra q'uo is a far cry from ra. 
>
>but you make it sound like that turn of events was not for the
best, which it was, imho. the conflict is an illusion - in reality
everything must be perfect.
>
>it's not starry-eyed overoptimism, as you seem to imply - it's
recognizing the true nature of reality and not playing into the us vs
them game that the negatives want you to. the negatives want you to see
them as the enemy, because conflict, anger, hate - all those negative
emotions that come with separation empower them.
>
>and that's where i have the real problem with knowing the enemy.
because i don't believe an enemy exists.
>
>jeremy

glen main

08-30-2001, 07:07 PM

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jeremy weiland wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">and that's where i have the real
problem with knowing the enemy.

because i don't believe an enemy exists.jeremy

ok, try subbing the word opposite, if that helps.

or opponent, opposition. will that
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Jeremy Weiland

08-30-2001, 07:12 PM

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>>>ok, try subbing the word opposite, if that helps, or opponent, opposition. will that work?
>
> sure, if you mean in the sense of integrating an aspect of self that is not currently integrated. but it is to be integrated, not opposed, and enemy implies opposition. everything is the self, and it needs only be appreciated, not further separated from the self. in light of this, i can very well see how "knowing the enemy" is beneficial to the positive seeker. i just see it as "knowing the self." 
>
> like i said, i think we were arguing past each other rather than at each other. sometimes you just need to define the terms of discussion to clear everything up. :-)
>
> i have found this discussion very useful, btw.
>
> jeremy