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Jeremy Weiland
12-01-2003, 07:47 AM
> these thoughts have made me ask :"what is dark"?
> aggressive sound doesn't necessarliy mean dark -
> although to someone who wasn't tuned into that
> specific vibration may feel that sound as too much
> and perhaps "scary". personally i try to be a very
> caring and open person, but sometimes when i
> hear that type of sound through various dnb tunes
> (or heavy rock for that matter) - i love it.

me too - and there's a part of me that wants to
disavow the appeal of that type of music. i don't
want to be mean, dirty or aggressive, yet i'm often
attracted to such sounds. i mean, i remember the
first time i ever heard hardcore nyc jungle being spun
at some festival, and it was the scariest music i had
ever heard. it truly freaked me out. a year later,
i'm trying to get my hands on those same sounds.

maybe that's why many good artists and musicians
loathe the concept of "genre" or "type of music". to
many of them, labels are limiting devices devoid of
much practical meaning. to say that i listen to a
certain type of music defines that music less than it
defines *me*. which is quite a powerful idea, whoa.
so once again it is about honesty and acceptance. the
ability to release and let fall away that which is not
in line with your vibrations, but to embrace that
which is, and to have compassion for the self when one
or somebody is too weak to step out of those labels
and limitations.

> i feel its because it represents what is happening
> on the planet right now to us collectively. as
> opposed to shutting it out - perhaps the draw to
that
> type of sound is accepting it for what it is. from
> the flip - there is also a huge surging right now of

> very very powerful aggressive music that is
> positive based. that's the combination that i love
> in creating this d +b sound - power with light.

well, i don't mean to make this thread about dnb
exclusively, but you and i are on the exact same
wavelength. i've been thinking about this idea of
whether there is any inspiration to be found in dnb,
and i think the key is exactly as you say - using the
power of drum'n'bass for good, not evil.

:-)

it sounds silly but i think it's true. since i
believe dnb, at least for me, is the exploration of
power, the idea would then be to use that power for
inspiration, not to cause further separation of the
person. i think what it is is that, in a lot of
electronic music, there is enough dissonance to cause
an entity to feel significantly "de-tuned", rather
than a lot of music which causes an entity to feel
"tuned". the goal, as i see it, is to find a way to
use the power of such music to tune rather than
detune. i think find a way to use the power to build
up to an inspirational climax rather than a detuned
climax is key. if you look at much of the early (mid
nineties) dnb, it's not nearly as dark, so it is
possible. i guess the only danger is in making it
sound too cheesey... :-)

and this phenomenon doesn't only apply to dnb, i mean
look at all the hard rock / metal / progressive bands
that are embracing a spiritual message, like tool for
instance.

thanks, brendan!

jeremy

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Lesley Schultz
12-01-2003, 12:42 PM
dear brendan and jeremy, l/l & peace to all:

just a comment: music is the most amazingly expressive
stuff, and pretty much any of it can be used to uplift
and increase receptivity and vibratory levels.

think of it: beethoven's music, at the time, was
widely thought to be obscene, and unsuitable for the
young. now, it couldn't be more conventional.
wagner's music had a similar reception, as well as
being reviewed as too loud, too noisy, too overwrought
and the dramaturgy was obscene. jazz had these same
complaints, as well as being thought dissonant. and
then there is the entire history of rock-n-roll-- from
it's inception, considered nothing but noise,
loudness, obscenity.

i think, if you look at the history of music as an art
form from mozart onwards, you find that it was the
background to great changes in the world, awakenings
to new sciences and technologies, great social change
and continual expressions of ennui combined with
disgust at the way things are. if we look only at
rock'n'roll, the ideas being expressed today are
really no different at all from any of the beatles'
work. only the method of expression, the mood,
plasticity and texture of the music [and the decibels]
have changed.

some of the music is dark and scary, harsh and violent
but our times are all of these. although if music
gives you nighmares and you feel attacked, it might be
best to scale back, but if you are attracted to the
power of it, this is not a bad thing. music is
supposed to be powerful and affecting. also,
ultimately, we are all one, including our friends of
the loyal opposition. to deny their existence and
their expression is to harm ourselves and to censor
the one infinite creator. if we can appreciate and use
some of those vibratory expressions that can seem to
be "negative", then this is not a bad thing.

we are here to increase our net polarity, including
using the antipode to our orientation as a way of
defining our boundries and increasing our expression
of love. all things are light, all things are love.

love, light and blessings to all,
~lesley





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Luis Albanés
12-01-2003, 08:53 PM
dear friends:

if you allow me to express my opinion about music as vibrational. i would say
that music has an equivalent in other vibration systems, like colors and tastes,
and been of different frecuencies, none is better o worse, but from an
ayurveduian view point, the equilibrium is what we humans need.-

i personally like clasics when i am on that mood, mexican music when on another,
romantics when the company is right for it, an so on .....

blessings

luis




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drewez1981
12-01-2003, 09:12 PM
> and this phenomenon doesn't only apply to dnb, i mean
> look at all the hard rock / metal / progressive bands
> that are embracing a spiritual message, like tool for
> instance.

hello jeremy and all,

i couldn't agree more with what tool is doing to their music. it's
as if they have been searching in the deepest, darkest aspects of
music and mind (undertow and aenima), and through the experience
have evolved into a collaboration of sound that is embracing the
truth they are seeking.

hopefully, a lot more musicians will spring forth with the same
attitude, creating more chances to stimulate people into thinking
deeper.

(btw, if anyone is still into dark dnb, dieselboy's the 6th session
is awesome)

l/l,
andrew

Jeremy Weiland
12-02-2003, 11:14 AM
> (btw, if anyone is still into dark dnb, dieselboy's
> the 6th session is awesome)

dieselboy's "a soldier's story" mix is *the* cd that
david will remember me referring to as my "service to
self music".

:-)

jeremy

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