Ron Jaenisch
11-23-2003, 08:51 AM
guys
this will control stuff is something i toyed with for years.
and......if you want to feel powerful once in a while and frustrated most
of the time it is the way to go.
now ....on the other hand there are ways to influence people in a way that
has a pretty high success rate.
control their imagination when you talk to them. this is rather easy cause
people feel soooooooooo goooooooood when you are calm and in control of
your self and have a tone to your voice that is soooooooooothing to them.
so rather than having a rational conversation that is focused upon the
intellect you may ask how surprised would you be if you could see yourself
feeling confident and powerful in situation where you felt like a mouse in
the past. sooooooooooo powerful cheerful and confident that people seem to
want to be around you. as you see them flocking to be around you listening
to your every word.............you find your self enjoying giving them your
attention.
at 04:04 pm 11/23/2003 +0000, you wrote:
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>there are 2 messages in this issue.
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>topics in this digest:
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> 1. re: the power of music- certain things im seeing lately
> from: "congahead2000" <wolftracks@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=i_xgkb4trjggvj1e1kdpoynphmazltvu3q9j_s knulk4_7vu8_bgkpjij5hkoyra3wjilzvbcro8crl9vbs)>
> 2. re: the discipline of the personality: control vs. will
> from: "amilius2001" <angelfatigues@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=argd4ibliam1envqvo5h2uvroc_thtxk902sj4 wrpus711x3cwixczagltlaqpjhjvhzxvaut6w_lxdmjw69)>
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>message: 1
> date: sat, 22 nov 2003 21:04:54 -0000
> from: "congahead2000" <wolftracks@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=i_xgkb4trjggvj1e1kdpoynphmazltvu3q9j_s knulk4_7vu8_bgkpjij5hkoyra3wjilzvbcro8crl9vbs)>
>subject: re: the power of music- certain things im seeing lately
>
>
> > with regards to the idea of "focused intent" being the
> > causative factor in musical transformation and
> > awakening, do you see the intent having a noticable
> > effect on the music itself? or is it just the person
> > playing the music, any music, that effects a certain
> > quality in the music regardless of it's style?
> >
> > it would seem to me that the most powerful
> > manifestation of intent through music would be to have
> > the music be a *result* of the intent, freeing the
> > musician from imposing any rules upon in and just
> > letting it be a musical intepretation of an intention
> > or concept. .com/
>
>today must be my day for "uncloaking.."
> i have been a hobby musician for 40 years- drums& world percussion
>mainly. so here's my 2 centavos.
> first- and this is a bit to lesley's points about classical. i've
>heard many times about mosart being so uplifting etc. but it's
>interesting that ritual throughout all time has had a sound track
>accompaning it. and that sountrack varies extremly widely. from
>tibetian buddist toneing ( that lifts boulders!) to afro-cuban bata
>music for the trance of santeria. i think its difficult to say this
>chordal progession, or this rhythmic sequence always produces a given
>result. but there are tendencies. and i think that cultualization of
>the listener and familiarity with the sound+ritual=experience process
>makes a difference. ( i will include the ritual of going to a
>classical preformance here too!)
> in the musician, experience with being the "guide" through the
>process is part of the skill of the musician. whether they understand
>the metephysical underpinnings is another matter. an example might be
>two similar performances , each group playing equally skillfully but
>one group enjoying each others company and having a good time making
>the music. for sure the vibe of joy will be felt by the audience and
>effect them and their experience of the performance.
> now if these musicians were aware that their state of conciousness
>was communicated either directly or indirectly through the music, and
>they honored and used that knowlege, i'm sure there would be an
>efffect. and some of the music that is talked about on this site is
>made by people who have some of that understanding.
> i don't know if i've got a big point to make other than, as in all
>things, it all matters.
> thank you all for being here and communicating so lurkers like me
>can enjoy your comments!!
> rob the lurker aka congahead
>
>
>
>
>
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>__________________________________________________ ______________________
>
>message: 2
> date: sun, 23 nov 2003 06:17:28 -0000
> from: "amilius2001" <angelfatigues@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=argd4ibliam1envqvo5h2uvroc_thtxk902sj4 wrpus711x3cwixczagltlaqpjhjvhzxvaut6w_lxdmjw69)>
>subject: re: the discipline of the personality: control vs. will
>
>jeremy and gang, i believe the answer is to be found in the
>reading itself although in a distorted context, ra and quo both
>being fond of distortion as an analysis of what occurs for a
>purpose within our context of reality. i have for some time now
>appreciated the idea that our reality within chosen limitations is
>something like a roller coaster ride for the soul. we have a great
>yet limited influence on events. think in terms of the question
>being posed to each of us by the universe in each and every
>moment, " will i appreciate what i have called into my experience
>in the present moment?" the choice of free will is then whether
>to regard and appreciate chosen circumstances, or not. will
>becomes the choice to regard circumstances from a perspective
>that facilitates appreciative intent based on the current moment.
>control is the choice of intent without regard to the current
>moment. that the two frequently produce the same result
>obscures the importance of regard in the appreciation of
>circumstances with intent. the highest, clearest, and grandest
>form of regard, appreciation, and intent is, in all three cases,
>love. the sharpest contrast between will and control is readily
>seen when love is absent from choices made and from purpose
>as well. this is all in the material you quoted from the
>perspective of 'purpose demonstrated as a product of will or
>control' rather than as 'purpose observed as consciousness of
>intent demonstrated by the use of will or control.' in short, will is
>applied with regard to circumstances and control in spite of
>them. which sounds more appreciative to you? which of these
>sounds more appreciative: willfully shaping personality or
>controlled discipline of personality? i once asked in meditation,
>" how is it that pre-destination and free will both seem to exist?
>in what context are they not mutually exclusive?" i 'heard' this
>answer quite clearly from within, " the only thing predestined by
>the universe is absolute joy. you all have the free will to avoid
>it." love is all there is. amilius
>
>
>
>__________________________________________________ ______________________
>__________________________________________________ ______________________
>
>
>
>your use of yahoo! groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
good health, good fortune, and good trading
ron jaenisch
this will control stuff is something i toyed with for years.
and......if you want to feel powerful once in a while and frustrated most
of the time it is the way to go.
now ....on the other hand there are ways to influence people in a way that
has a pretty high success rate.
control their imagination when you talk to them. this is rather easy cause
people feel soooooooooo goooooooood when you are calm and in control of
your self and have a tone to your voice that is soooooooooothing to them.
so rather than having a rational conversation that is focused upon the
intellect you may ask how surprised would you be if you could see yourself
feeling confident and powerful in situation where you felt like a mouse in
the past. sooooooooooo powerful cheerful and confident that people seem to
want to be around you. as you see them flocking to be around you listening
to your every word.............you find your self enjoying giving them your
attention.
at 04:04 pm 11/23/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>
>to unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>asc2k-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=puemlynz3dppgxy19ng0xiixx52c8rqp6o5xdy thrm6nsqdfnzuz_xndq2dnbw4w5x4ns2u4subi9x6cpvqtov-ct8p7osdqdbiy)
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>there are 2 messages in this issue.
>
>topics in this digest:
>
> 1. re: the power of music- certain things im seeing lately
> from: "congahead2000" <wolftracks@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=i_xgkb4trjggvj1e1kdpoynphmazltvu3q9j_s knulk4_7vu8_bgkpjij5hkoyra3wjilzvbcro8crl9vbs)>
> 2. re: the discipline of the personality: control vs. will
> from: "amilius2001" <angelfatigues@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=argd4ibliam1envqvo5h2uvroc_thtxk902sj4 wrpus711x3cwixczagltlaqpjhjvhzxvaut6w_lxdmjw69)>
>
>
>__________________________________________________ ______________________
>__________________________________________________ ______________________
>
>message: 1
> date: sat, 22 nov 2003 21:04:54 -0000
> from: "congahead2000" <wolftracks@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=i_xgkb4trjggvj1e1kdpoynphmazltvu3q9j_s knulk4_7vu8_bgkpjij5hkoyra3wjilzvbcro8crl9vbs)>
>subject: re: the power of music- certain things im seeing lately
>
>
> > with regards to the idea of "focused intent" being the
> > causative factor in musical transformation and
> > awakening, do you see the intent having a noticable
> > effect on the music itself? or is it just the person
> > playing the music, any music, that effects a certain
> > quality in the music regardless of it's style?
> >
> > it would seem to me that the most powerful
> > manifestation of intent through music would be to have
> > the music be a *result* of the intent, freeing the
> > musician from imposing any rules upon in and just
> > letting it be a musical intepretation of an intention
> > or concept. .com/
>
>today must be my day for "uncloaking.."
> i have been a hobby musician for 40 years- drums& world percussion
>mainly. so here's my 2 centavos.
> first- and this is a bit to lesley's points about classical. i've
>heard many times about mosart being so uplifting etc. but it's
>interesting that ritual throughout all time has had a sound track
>accompaning it. and that sountrack varies extremly widely. from
>tibetian buddist toneing ( that lifts boulders!) to afro-cuban bata
>music for the trance of santeria. i think its difficult to say this
>chordal progession, or this rhythmic sequence always produces a given
>result. but there are tendencies. and i think that cultualization of
>the listener and familiarity with the sound+ritual=experience process
>makes a difference. ( i will include the ritual of going to a
>classical preformance here too!)
> in the musician, experience with being the "guide" through the
>process is part of the skill of the musician. whether they understand
>the metephysical underpinnings is another matter. an example might be
>two similar performances , each group playing equally skillfully but
>one group enjoying each others company and having a good time making
>the music. for sure the vibe of joy will be felt by the audience and
>effect them and their experience of the performance.
> now if these musicians were aware that their state of conciousness
>was communicated either directly or indirectly through the music, and
>they honored and used that knowlege, i'm sure there would be an
>efffect. and some of the music that is talked about on this site is
>made by people who have some of that understanding.
> i don't know if i've got a big point to make other than, as in all
>things, it all matters.
> thank you all for being here and communicating so lurkers like me
>can enjoy your comments!!
> rob the lurker aka congahead
>
>
>
>
>
>__________________________________________________ ______________________
>__________________________________________________ ______________________
>
>message: 2
> date: sun, 23 nov 2003 06:17:28 -0000
> from: "amilius2001" <angelfatigues@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=argd4ibliam1envqvo5h2uvroc_thtxk902sj4 wrpus711x3cwixczagltlaqpjhjvhzxvaut6w_lxdmjw69)>
>subject: re: the discipline of the personality: control vs. will
>
>jeremy and gang, i believe the answer is to be found in the
>reading itself although in a distorted context, ra and quo both
>being fond of distortion as an analysis of what occurs for a
>purpose within our context of reality. i have for some time now
>appreciated the idea that our reality within chosen limitations is
>something like a roller coaster ride for the soul. we have a great
>yet limited influence on events. think in terms of the question
>being posed to each of us by the universe in each and every
>moment, " will i appreciate what i have called into my experience
>in the present moment?" the choice of free will is then whether
>to regard and appreciate chosen circumstances, or not. will
>becomes the choice to regard circumstances from a perspective
>that facilitates appreciative intent based on the current moment.
>control is the choice of intent without regard to the current
>moment. that the two frequently produce the same result
>obscures the importance of regard in the appreciation of
>circumstances with intent. the highest, clearest, and grandest
>form of regard, appreciation, and intent is, in all three cases,
>love. the sharpest contrast between will and control is readily
>seen when love is absent from choices made and from purpose
>as well. this is all in the material you quoted from the
>perspective of 'purpose demonstrated as a product of will or
>control' rather than as 'purpose observed as consciousness of
>intent demonstrated by the use of will or control.' in short, will is
>applied with regard to circumstances and control in spite of
>them. which sounds more appreciative to you? which of these
>sounds more appreciative: willfully shaping personality or
>controlled discipline of personality? i once asked in meditation,
>" how is it that pre-destination and free will both seem to exist?
>in what context are they not mutually exclusive?" i 'heard' this
>answer quite clearly from within, " the only thing predestined by
>the universe is absolute joy. you all have the free will to avoid
>it." love is all there is. amilius
>
>
>
>__________________________________________________ ______________________
>__________________________________________________ ______________________
>
>
>
>your use of yahoo! groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
good health, good fortune, and good trading
ron jaenisch