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Jason

08-26-2001, 10:54 AM

i have read david's material and am still not clear if he has
discussed if there is a pre-2012 energetic shift or if ultimately 99%
of it will occur in one single "moment" seeing the changes of
consciousness occuring in the world and that have been occuring it
seems there is s period of time beforehand in which we are already
being affected by this huge event in the "future". like it's creeping
backwards in the time-space continuim and affecting us now in subtle
ways, or perhaps it's that as we approach and get nearer to the
border of the next energetic quadrant that we are feeling it's
affects rippling through to this side of the border.

ultimately i guess i'm curious as to others thoughts on to what
we can expect before 2012 in the next 10 years. i have heard one man
suggest, based on his analysis of the mayan calendar that by 2004
millions of people will spontaneously become telepathic and he also
suggested that in 2008 a large negative event will occur, the
magnitude of which depends on our vibration of consciousness,
occuring precisely according to the mayan cycles known as baktuns.
theoretically i think he's suggesting it may not be bad at all if we
were all broadcasting positive vibes which is similiar to the concept
of transcending karma i suppose.

considering phil lesh is doing a 2012 countdown and people are
really now waking up in larger numbers than ever before, i wonder if
the time we think of as 10 years is in fact sooner? does time not
speed up as the energies rise? well, if they are rising and will
continue to exponentially do so...is it really about 2012 in the time
frame (calendar system) that we are accustomed to?

additionally, i haven't seen david mention this or not, but it's a
very intriguing concept to me. it goes something like this: there is
a major cycle nearing completion, but it's not just on this density,
but on the ones above us as well. metaphysically speaking, whatever
changes are going to occur in 2012 in this density are following
changes occuring first on the astral and other planes. and that the
changes occuring on the higher densitites will then trickle down to
this density leading to the shift as we understand it. i hesitate to
get into this too much because i haven't seen david mention any of
this in his work and don't want to go to far off topic but it's still
something i thought would be interesting to bring up in case anyone
had any insights into these possibilities. it may turn out this is
way off course and that no changes are occuring in the higher
densities as such but they just remain as they are. this i am unsure
about.

i will say this, when you really get beyond reading the wilcock
material (which i have read numerous times over the past 2 years..and
eagerly awaiting the completion of c3) and it all begins to click and
make sense, then you begin to get into the more practical and human
aspect of the shift, and not so much the mechanics of it.

anyways, just some things that popped into my consciousness this
morning.

peace,

jason

Jason

08-29-2001, 04:17 PM

well, my attempt at discussing the ideas presented in wilcock's work
and related to the shift fell flat. i thought that was the purpose of
this discussion group...guess not. the last time i got such a
deafening silence was when i played off key in the 5th grade band
concert. alrighty then. can't say i didn't try. next at bat? lol

jason

--- in asc2k@y..., "jason" <jasonx3001@y...> wrote:
> i have read david's material and am still not clear if he has
> discussed if there is a pre-2012 energetic shift or if ultimately
99%
> of it will occur in one single "moment" seeing the changes of
> consciousness occuring in the world and that have been occuring it
> seems there is s period of time beforehand in which we are already
> being affected by this huge event in the "future". like it's
creeping
> backwards in the time-space continuim and affecting us now in
subtle
> ways, or perhaps it's that as we approach and get nearer to the
> border of the next energetic quadrant that we are feeling it's
> affects rippling through to this side of the border.
>
> ultimately i guess i'm curious as to others thoughts on to what
> we can expect before 2012 in the next 10 years. i have heard one
man
> suggest, based on his analysis of the mayan calendar that by 2004
> millions of people will spontaneously become telepathic and he also
> suggested that in 2008 a large negative event will occur, the
> magnitude of which depends on our vibration of consciousness,
> occuring precisely according to the mayan cycles known as baktuns.
> theoretically i think he's suggesting it may not be bad at all if
we
> were all broadcasting positive vibes which is similiar to the
concept
> of transcending karma i suppose.
>
> considering phil lesh is doing a 2012 countdown and people are
> really now waking up in larger numbers than ever before, i wonder
if
> the time we think of as 10 years is in fact sooner? does time not
> speed up as the energies rise? well, if they are rising and will
> continue to exponentially do so...is it really about 2012 in the
time
> frame (calendar system) that we are accustomed to?
>
> additionally, i haven't seen david mention this or not, but it's a
> very intriguing concept to me. it goes something like this: there
is
> a major cycle nearing completion, but it's not just on this
density,
> but on the ones above us as well. metaphysically speaking, whatever
> changes are going to occur in 2012 in this density are following
> changes occuring first on the astral and other planes. and that the
> changes occuring on the higher densitites will then trickle down to
> this density leading to the shift as we understand it. i hesitate
to
> get into this too much because i haven't seen david mention any of
> this in his work and don't want to go to far off topic but it's
still
> something i thought would be interesting to bring up in case anyone
> had any insights into these possibilities. it may turn out this is
> way off course and that no changes are occuring in the higher
> densities as such but they just remain as they are. this i am
unsure
> about.
>
> i will say this, when you really get beyond reading the wilcock
> material (which i have read numerous times over the past 2
years..and
> eagerly awaiting the completion of c3) and it all begins to click
and
> make sense, then you begin to get into the more practical and human
> aspect of the shift, and not so much the mechanics of it.
>
> anyways, just some things that popped into my consciousness this
> morning.
>
> peace,
>
> jason

Jason

08-29-2001, 04:19 PM

surprisingly even david had nothing to say about energy quadrants and
such. wonder why. is that because he will address those topics in
more detail in the remainder of c3? i hope so otherewise i really am
thrown for a loop. weird. peace out yall.

--- in asc2k@y..., "jason" <jasonx3001@y...> wrote:
> well, my attempt at discussing the ideas presented in wilcock's
work
> and related to the shift fell flat. i thought that was the purpose
of
> this discussion group...guess not. the last time i got such a
> deafening silence was when i played off key in the 5th grade band
> concert. alrighty then. can't say i didn't try. next at bat? lol
>
> jason
>
>
> --- in asc2k@y..., "jason" <jasonx3001@y...> wrote:
> > i have read david's material and am still not clear if he has
> > discussed if there is a pre-2012 energetic shift or if ultimately
> 99%
> > of it will occur in one single "moment" seeing the changes of
> > consciousness occuring in the world and that have been occuring
it
> > seems there is s period of time beforehand in which we are
already
> > being affected by this huge event in the "future". like it's
> creeping
> > backwards in the time-space continuim and affecting us now in
> subtle
> > ways, or perhaps it's that as we approach and get nearer to the
> > border of the next energetic quadrant that we are feeling it's
> > affects rippling through to this side of the border.
> >
> > ultimately i guess i'm curious as to others thoughts on to what
> > we can expect before 2012 in the next 10 years. i have heard one
> man
> > suggest, based on his analysis of the mayan calendar that by 2004
> > millions of people will spontaneously become telepathic and he
also
> > suggested that in 2008 a large negative event will occur, the
> > magnitude of which depends on our vibration of consciousness,
> > occuring precisely according to the mayan cycles known as
baktuns.
> > theoretically i think he's suggesting it may not be bad at all if
> we
> > were all broadcasting positive vibes which is similiar to the
> concept
> > of transcending karma i suppose.
> >
> > considering phil lesh is doing a 2012 countdown and people are
> > really now waking up in larger numbers than ever before, i wonder
> if
> > the time we think of as 10 years is in fact sooner? does time not
> > speed up as the energies rise? well, if they are rising and will
> > continue to exponentially do so...is it really about 2012 in the
> time
> > frame (calendar system) that we are accustomed to?
> >
> > additionally, i haven't seen david mention this or not, but it's
a
> > very intriguing concept to me. it goes something like this: there
> is
> > a major cycle nearing completion, but it's not just on this
> density,
> > but on the ones above us as well. metaphysically speaking,
whatever
> > changes are going to occur in 2012 in this density are following
> > changes occuring first on the astral and other planes. and that
the
> > changes occuring on the higher densitites will then trickle down
to
> > this density leading to the shift as we understand it. i hesitate
> to
> > get into this too much because i haven't seen david mention any
of
> > this in his work and don't want to go to far off topic but it's
> still
> > something i thought would be interesting to bring up in case
anyone
> > had any insights into these possibilities. it may turn out this
is
> > way off course and that no changes are occuring in the higher
> > densities as such but they just remain as they are. this i am
> unsure
> > about.
> >
> > i will say this, when you really get beyond reading the wilcock
> > material (which i have read numerous times over the past 2
> years..and
> > eagerly awaiting the completion of c3) and it all begins to click
> and
> > make sense, then you begin to get into the more practical and
human
> > aspect of the shift, and not so much the mechanics of it.
> >
> > anyways, just some things that popped into my consciousness this
> > morning.
> >
> > peace,
> >
> > jason

David Wilcock

08-29-2001, 04:32 PM

<table>
>from: jason [mailto:jasonx3001@yahoo.com]
<tt>
well, my attempt at discussing the ideas presented in wilcock's work
and related to the shift fell flat. i thought that was the purpose of
this discussion group...guess not. the last time i got such a
deafening silence was when i played off key in the 5th grade band
concert. alrighty then. can't say i didn't try. next at bat? lol

[david wilcock]don't forget that number two of the fouragreements in toltecwisdom is "don't take things personally." or as ra says, "we encourage a dispassionate attempt to share information with others, without concern for numbers or quick growth... to reach one is to reach all."</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>the main reason why i didn't answer is that it is repeated material that ifigured others already would be aware of and comment on.there are a number of my readings in the archives that explain that thereis a possibility of this event happeningwell before 2012. the ultimate timinghas very little to do with an exact alignment, and far more to do with a spontaneous shift that will happen in human collective consciousness. this is unpredictable in advance, but my readings have said that it will be preceded by a major change intheglobal economy - something that will, essentially, require more service-to-others behavior to function in society than we now see, by virtue of the increased importance of local grassroots teamwork and cooperation to continue our quality of life and governance.</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>here's the four agreements, again:</tt>
><tt>1. be impeccable with your word.</tt>
><tt>2. don't take things personally.</tt>
><tt>3. don't make assumptions.</tt>
><tt>4. always do your best.</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>furthermore, i now understandwhy ra indicated that there was a 25,000 and 75,000-year cycle coming to completion simultaneously. the 25,000-year cycle is the precessional cycle that is directly tied in to whether we are in orbital alignment with the galactic center. the 75,000-year cycleinvolves moving into a more energetic area in the galaxy, and is thereby affecting the entire solar system. that's why ra indicated that we have no time left to be a 3d planet. they meant it. this will become clearer soon when my interview for som magazine can be released, and / or if i go on ab to explain the message in the chibolton glyph.</tt><tt>
>
peace be with you -
>
- david

jason

</tt>

David Wilcock

08-29-2001, 04:32 PM

<table>
>from: jason [mailto:jasonx3001@yahoo.com]
<tt>
surprisingly even david had nothing to say about energy quadrants and
such. wonder why. is that because he will address those topics in
more detail in the remainder of c3? i hope so otherewise i really am
thrown for a loop. weird. peace out yall.

[david wilcock]patience. if you'd waited one minute longer you'd have gotten a response!if i do not participate here it should not"throwa loop" to the participants. within the disciplines of wisdom are required the sacrifices for the greater good. there are not enough hours in the day for me to manage my communications and be productive at the same time, as well as taking care ofthe needs ofthebody. </tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>peace be with you -</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>- david</tt>
><tt></tt>
><tt>

--- in asc2k@y..., "jason" <jasonx3001@y...> wrote:
> well, my attempt at discussing the ideas presented in wilcock's
work
> and related to the shift fell flat. i thought that was the purpose
of
> this discussion group...guess not. the last time i got such a
> deafening silence was when i played off key in the 5th grade band
> concert. alrighty then. can't say i didn't try. next at bat? lol
>
> jason
>
>
> --- in asc2k@y..., "jason" <jasonx3001@y...> wrote:
> > i have read david's material and am still not clear if he has
> > discussed if there is a pre-2012 energetic shift or if ultimately
> 99%
> > of it will occur in one single "moment" seeing the changes of
> > consciousness occuring in the world and that have been occuring
it
> > seems there is s period of time beforehand in which we are
already
> > being affected by this huge event in the "future". like it's
> creeping
> > backwards in the time-space continuim and affecting us now in
> subtle
> > ways, or perhaps it's that as we approach and get nearer to the
> > border of the next energetic quadrant that we are feeling it's
> > affects rippling through to this side of the border.
> >
> > ultimately i guess i'm curious as to others thoughts on to what
> > we can expect before 2012 in the next 10 years. i have heard one
> man
> > suggest, based on his analysis of the mayan calendar that by 2004
> > millions of people will spontaneously become telepathic and he
also
> > suggested that in 2008 a large negative event will occur, the
> > magnitude of which depends on our vibration of consciousness,
> > occuring precisely according to the mayan cycles known as
baktuns.
> > theoretically i think he's suggesting it may not be bad at all if
> we
> > were all broadcasting positive vibes which is similiar to the
> concept
> > of transcending karma i suppose.
> >
> > considering phil lesh is doing a 2012 countdown and people are
> > really now waking up in larger numbers than ever before, i wonder
> if
> > the time we think of as 10 years is in fact sooner? does time not
> > speed up as the energies rise? well, if they are rising and will
> > continue to exponentially do so...is it really about 2012 in the
> time
> > frame (calendar system) that we are accustomed to?
> >
> > additionally, i haven't seen david mention this or not, but it's
a
> > very intriguing concept to me. it goes something like this: there
> is
> > a major cycle nearing completion, but it's not just on this
> density,
> > but on the ones above us as well. metaphysically speaking,
whatever
> > changes are going to occur in 2012 in this density are following
> > changes occuring first on the astral and other planes. and that
the
> > changes occuring on the higher densitites will then trickle down
to
> > this density leading to the shift as we understand it. i hesitate
> to
> > get into this too much because i haven't seen david mention any
of
> > this in his work and don't want to go to far off topic but it's
> still
> > something i thought would be interesting to bring up in case
anyone
> > had any insights into these possibilities. it may turn out this
is
> > way off course and that no changes are occuring in the higher
> > densities as such but they just remain as they are. this i am
> unsure
> > about.
> >
> > i will say this, when you really get beyond reading the wilcock
> > material (which i have read numerous times over the past 2
> years..and
> > eagerly awaiting the completion of c3) and it all begins to click
> and
> > make sense, then you begin to get into the more practical and
human
> > aspect of the shift, and not so much the mechanics of it.
> >
> > anyways, just some things that popped into my consciousness this
> > morning.
> >
> > peace,
> >
> > jason

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