Parenting

[Jeremy Weiland]

Hi Gwen and all:

> There are many strong families in the world, but
> when we go out and take up more space in the grocery

> isle or the movie theater, etc. we are given 'the
> look' - I think that is what Jason is speaking
> about.

Doesn't everybody get the "look" at some point in
their life? Any time one person is impacted by the
choices of another (such as the choice to have
children who consume common resources), there is going
to be "looks". For example, many single people don't
think that they should work longer just so parent
co-workers can get special "family" leave to go watch
their child's soccer game. Which group is right?
It's more complex than just family vs. single.

The awful thing is when an issue like this gets
politicized so that whichever group gains the most
political power gets to lord their agenda over the
other. If each person would just take responsibility
for his or her actions, there would be no problem.
But when people start asking others to make
concessions for their own decisions, then we get
problems. And this applies to everybody.

This is why collectivist arguments never work in 3D.
Until we can see each others' hidden motivations,
interests, and issues, we'll never be able to
outwardly organize things so that everybody is in the
proper place at the proper time for the proper reason.
Fortunately, being in the wrong place at the wrong
time for the wrong reason is a great experience for us
souls in 3D :-) The reality that we are one is
something that we get to experience in 3D - while
everything and everybody tries to convince us we are
separate, or crazy. :-)

> The logic that there are starving childen in the
> world so don't have any children. That reproduction

> in the 3d world is wrong and better in 4d or 5d or
> 6d is judgemental.

Yes, it sure is - but as long as another doesn't have
the power to force you to act the way they want you
to, who cares? I don't think anybody was seriously
arguing that having children is wrong.

That said, for my part I cannot at this juncture bear
the thought of bringing another life onto this planet.
Not b/c of the resource issue but just b/c look what
we're going to be going through in the next decade on
this planet? And plus, there's so many children
without parents... but that's my humble opinion. If
you feel you can bring a child into adulthood
successfully, well, I could learn from you. :-)

> The idea that mystical perception of other densities

> will bring you harmony where you are is limiting.

If it were the reason somebody didn't do something
they wanted to, I would agree, but I don't think
anybody is holding off on having children *just* to do
it in 4,5, or 6D. :-)

> I personally think it takes a great deal of courage
> and stamina to be a 3d parent.

And that statement has the ring of an informed opinion
:-) I think you're absolutely, 100% right - but look
at history. In biblical times, you were commanded to
"be fruitful and multiply" - procreation was a duty,
not a choice. Then not too long ago you had to have
kids to work the farm for you, or to help with the
business. Hell, in some countries they still use kids
for collateral labor!

What I mean is, the goal of putting a well adjusted,
mature person onto this planet who will contribute to
society and have a fulfilling physical, intellectual,
and spiritual life has not been the goal throughout
history, nor even today. And I think that was the
idea to which Lesley was speaking when she said some
should not have children. It's only because we place
more worth on children in this day and age that more
people refrain from it, and sometimes some people put
more on the shoulders of parents than is fair.

> Essentially, you are re-parenting yourself. The
> depths of love and care you have for another being
is
> beyond measure in being a parent. Love is what
> drives one's ability to perceive and to integrate
> higher level densities. Love is what drives one's
> ability to be a true parent. To find out what that
> is, and to manifest parenting skills in one's life,
> even if you do not have children is what the path of

> Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother show to us.

That is a beautiful idea. Well said! :-)

> Do something, be proactive and you will find that in

> the giving to others you have touched on the barest
> tip of being a parent. A parent gives their whole
> life to sustain their children. Working, cleaning,
> teaching, loving and laughing, there is no greater
> path of growth for me than that of being a true
> parent.

You make a very good point here. Essentially, we need
to be our "brother's keeper" more. I agree, we
should voluntarily do that more. I believe a society
of responsible people will naturally see that their
interests are often shared, and would see that service
to others is service to self.

The only problem I have is when somebody comes in with
some law that wants to use force to divide things up
"more equally" or treat others "more equally", with
the unspoken implication that some groups are more
equal than others. Service is not something that can
be forced and continue to be service.

Thanks so much for that quite fresh perspective, Gwen!

Jeremy

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[Chris]

Jeremy:That said, for my part I cannot at this juncture bear
the thought of bringing another life onto this planet.
Not b/c of the resource issue but just b/c look what
we're going to be going through in the next decade on
this planet?

Chris: Smiles, you just bounced around free will a little here darlin':) Hey,
when a soul wants to come into this world, sometimes there is nothin' you can do
about it. Laugh. I had that happen with my daughter-I had an ectopic pregnancy
and lost a fallopian tube, but two years later she popped into this world. And
for Lesley, these souls are all here of their own free will so that we can all
experience, right? I say, just be thankful for anything one can do to lighten
the load, whatever it may be. Each and every one of us are important in the
Creator's eyes. Our people eyes are just a little myopic is all. Love you all.

[Jeremy Weiland]

> Chris: Smiles, you just bounced around free will a
> little here darlin':)

I said, "for my part". :-) The whole point of my
post was to emphasize that respect and responsibility
are at the root of any perception of parents vs.
non-parents. It's a completely artificial rivalry.

That said, bouncing is fun.

> Hey, when a soul wants to come into this world,
> sometimes there is nothin' you can do about it.
> Laugh.

Yeah. And that SCARES me. :-D Cause I'm definately
not ready for that. I'm still figuring out how not to
mess myself up - trying to raise a non-messed-up kid
is way too much of a burden for me.

I do admit my ignorance of parenting, however (with
the exception of my experience as a child, which isn't
the most objective perspective anyway).

> And for Lesley, these souls are all here of their
> own free will so that we can all experience, right?

Yeah, of course. I didn't mean to imply we should
sterilize everybody. I just meant, personally, I
can't imagine bringing another soul in when there are
so many who are already here and need parents. But
what do I know: I'm young and foolish. :-D

> I say, just be thankful for anything one can do to
> lighten the load, whatever it may be.

I am. I suppose that the attitude of allowing what
shall be to be conflicts with the attitude of social
engineering no matter how you slice it. Let's let the
parents do their job, and stop making faces at them in
line at the grocery store, for pete's sake!

Jeremy

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[Jennifer]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=pPZixqll8F6ZuhS8LKx1VW5Y_yNEOLzdkGgUur 091yFAnB8srvB-KNDs0WcWQHWmANeqir9-GqlL9EB9oA), Leslie Shultz <msthoth@y...> wrote:

snip >>I have nothing against having families, and I wish we
could have more and stronger ones, but I think we
really need to get our resource house in order. Most
of the children born in the world today are born into
terrible poverty, subject to hunger, disease and war.
Let's join hands and hearts together across all the
nations of the world to take care of the ones we have
before we have more. << snip


--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=pPZixqll8F6ZuhS8LKx1VW5Y_yNEOLzdkGgUur 091yFAnB8srvB-KNDs0WcWQHWmANeqir9-GqlL9EB9oA), Jeremy Weiland <greenlantern113@y...>
wrote:

snip >> That said, for my part I cannot at this juncture bear
the thought of bringing another life onto this planet.
Not b/c of the resource issue but just b/c look what
we're going to be going through in the next decade on
this planet? And plus, there's so many children
without parents... but that's my humble opinion. If
you feel you can bring a child into adulthood
successfully, well, I could learn from you. :-) << snip

Q'uo, transcript dated March 2, 1998, p. 3 #81

"The only catalyst dealt with in third density is fear and love. The
entity begins its babyhood wrapped in love, love known throughout
its system, and it learns to close itself, to become apart, and to
become defended because it seems fairly obvious that there are
things to fear. There are entities and objects out there that can
harm and hurt. So the spiritual life within third density may be
described as either a learning how to love or a learning how to
release fear, for fear is that distortion of love that posits a
separation betwixt beings, thus occasioning the necessity of having
some sort of response to these persons or things that will tend to
increase safety and comfort."

Q'uo, transcript dated May 22, 1994., p. 2 #75

"So, at the heart of being a wanderer is that feeling of
dislocation, of being in the world but not of the world in which you
find yourselves. Because this situation seems full of discomfort,
many who have wandered here are simply miserable without finding any
comfort. To respond to that need for comforting some who have
responded have leaned in their discussions heavily towards
comforting wanderers by encouraging a sense of separation from
native Earth humans. We do not encourage this line of thought
because each wanderer, in coming into your Earth's sphere of
influence, took upon it the responsibility of citizenship of this
Earth. As much as any other native inhabitant, wanderers will be
expected to walk the steps of light when this incarnational
experience is at an end, and, just as much as any native inhabitant
of Earth, if the steps are walked to a point of comfort within third
density the wanderer shall not return to its home vibratory nexus
but, rather, shall continue in third density until graduation is
achieved."

Most wanderers are born into dysfunctional families, and suffer
immensely in this vibration. In some cases, the family ends up
abandoning them. Without these types of hardships and catalysts
faced from "childhood" on, none of us would be on the path of "The
Law of One". We needed hardships right? That whole balanced, there
could be no GOOD without any EVIL. (at least this is the
impression that I am currently under)

I just thought this was important to the subject of being a parent.
To not want to bring children into the world because of those types
of fears, would be counterproductive don't you think. I'm mean we
need all the Wanderers we can get, right?? Let's not focus on what
is going to eventually happen to all of us, and just remember
to "LOVE". Sex, and the eventuallity of it, children, are very high
vibrations of Love, correct??

>> snip The only problem I have is when somebody comes in with
some law that wants to use force to divide things up
"more equally" or treat others "more equally", with
the unspoken implication that some groups are more
equal than others. Service is not something that can
be forced and continue to be service. << snip

I am not sure I understand the complete meaning of this statement,
and was wondering if you could clarify it more clearly, for
me...please.

Blessed Be, Eternally

Shemayet~*